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iCM Favorite Underrated Movies; Results

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Re: iCM Favorite Underrated Movies; Results

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Post by peeptoad » January 8th, 2020, 5:14 pm

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
January 8th, 2020, 4:09 pm
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#2 Under the Skin (Jonathan Glazer, 2013), 782.88 points, 11 votes, 8100 checks, official lists: 5, IMDb rating: 6.3 :imdb:
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blocho (unranked)
Caracortada (#16)
Gordon_Gekko (#8)
Gorro (#69)
jeff_v (#15)
joachimt (#17)
Leopardi (#1)
Lonewolf2003 (#24)
psychotronicbeatnik (unranked)
Smoover (unranked)
sol (#60)
Huh. This movie fit the filtering criteria I used on IMDB (under 6.9 on IMDB, my rating 8/10+, and over 4000 votes, but it didn't come up on my results. :shrug:

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Post by peeptoad » January 8th, 2020, 5:21 pm

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
January 8th, 2020, 4:49 pm
A nuance about the complete list: more than any list this been a real "Ain't Nobody's Blues But My Own" ...
yes totally, if by that you mean "Ain't Nobody's Definition of Underrated But My Own". :)
Thanks for hosting, Lonewolf; the results make for an interesting list.

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Post by beavis » January 8th, 2020, 5:36 pm

seen 79/100
Margaret at #5 is my highest unseen
It turned out to be an interesting list (and exercise) afterall... a lot of the movies I haven't seen yet were already high on my "to see" list, this I had not expected. ...And then I might aswell checkout some of the others that weren't on my radar yet! Too bad the discussions were mostly about people not liking movies or filmmakers, but then, I had nothing to contribute myself, so it is not a complaint... maybe just a sign that I do not care that much about what a majority thinks (because in general what a majority thinks is good, I somehow always seem to find overrated)...

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Post by Cocoa » January 8th, 2020, 5:40 pm

Seen: 45/100

Titles I rated higher than IMDb's rating: 21
Titles I rated lower than IMDb's rating: 24


Although two of the higher ratings are only by a 0.1 or 0.2 digit and still not a fantastic rating :lol: [I rated a 5.9 film 6/10 and a 4.8 film 5/10. The other 19 are more positive ratings that are 7/10 or above.]

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Post by nimimerkillinen » January 8th, 2020, 5:40 pm

Thanks for hosting
Too bad was too lazy to vote
71/100
873/3055

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Post by blocho » January 8th, 2020, 5:46 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
January 8th, 2020, 1:30 pm
the Michael Bay of the arthouse.
Accurate description and trenchant phrase-making. Well done.

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Post by blocho » January 8th, 2020, 5:52 pm

Well, this has all been very ... strange. This will surely go down as one of the most unusual forum lists. Unfortunately, I don't think I would be wise to take any recommendations from it. Although I love a hidden gem, of the 34 movies on the list I have seen, I can only say I enjoyed 14 of them (and that's with an expansive definition of the "enjoyed"). And I hated many of those 34 -- Cosmopolis is one of only 11 movies I have "disliked" on icm. Those numbers indicate to me that I would dislike most of the 66 movies in the list I haven't seen.

Anyway, thanks to Lonewolf for the hard work.

And I would strongly support a future "Most Hated Overrated" poll.

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Post by Jimi Antiloop » January 8th, 2020, 6:16 pm

sol wrote:
January 8th, 2020, 1:03 pm
but for an experimental film from the director, I greatly prefer
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Knight of Cups
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The Thin Red Line and especially Badlands
are far superior films from the director to my mind. Whatever.
from my mind "The Knight of Cups" is the very top of transcendental filmmaking, questioning origin of soul and searching for the bigger meaning of life. :innocent: :run:
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Post by Jimi Antiloop » January 8th, 2020, 6:21 pm

Onderhond wrote:
January 8th, 2020, 4:15 pm
Shit film and a complete waste of Debie, but at least it has a score that fits the poll!
:facepalm: You got no clue!
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Post by Jimi Antiloop » January 8th, 2020, 6:27 pm

#101 Computer Chess
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Post by Jimi Antiloop » January 8th, 2020, 6:44 pm

This list: 60/100 seen

Highest # I voted for - #1 Spring Breakers (#52)
Highest # not voted for - #1 Under the Skin
Highest # unseen #5 Magarete
# of my number 1 - #64 Breakfast of Champions
highest favorite: #1 Spring Breakers (19/100)
Highest dislike: #37 The Blair Witch Project (4/100)

Highest movie I voted for outside of list: #101 Computer Chess
My personal highest ranked movie outside of the list: #448 The Lawnmower Man (#2)

Top5 unseen
#05 Magarete
#12 Ci ke Nie Yin Niang
#13 The Forbidden Room
#19 Femme Fatale
#21 The Shooting
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Post by Lakigigar » January 8th, 2020, 9:52 pm

Jimi Antiloop wrote:
January 8th, 2020, 6:21 pm
Onderhond wrote:
January 8th, 2020, 4:15 pm
Shit film and a complete waste of Debie, but at least it has a score that fits the poll!
:facepalm: You got no clue!
I would've thought that Spring Breakers would be something for Onderhond. It's in my top 20 and Spring Breakers reminds what I like about movies.

But hey

SPRING BREAK FOR EVAAH BITCHES.

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#173

Post by TraverseTown » January 8th, 2020, 11:40 pm

Probably the first poll ever where my #1 is number #1 on the list. Feels weird.

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Post by matthewscott8 » January 9th, 2020, 12:37 am

Lakigigar wrote:
January 8th, 2020, 9:52 pm
SPRING BREAK FOR EVAAH BITCHES.
Dayum you got in there before I could :D :wub:

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Post by matthewscott8 » January 9th, 2020, 12:40 am

It's a really good list I have seen 44/100 and pretty much loved all the ones I have seen. If I had used looser criteria I would have been a lot higher up the rankings on how many I had voted for.

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Post by joachimt » January 9th, 2020, 7:23 am

I really enjoyed this countdown, but I'm not taking recommendations from this list, which I normally do for every forum-created list. Not that I think it's a bad list, but because these recommendations are just by a handful of people. Most of the movies have 3 or 4 votes. A lot of those are voted for by people who's taste don't really fit mine, so I think I'll pass.

Maybe I should watch Showgirls though. Highest unseen for me.
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Post by cinewest » January 9th, 2020, 7:45 am

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
January 8th, 2020, 4:49 pm
Links to lists

:ICM: Top 100
:ICM: Complete List
:imdb: Top 100
:imdb: Complete List

A nuance about the complete list: more than any list this been a real "Ain't Nobody's Blues But My Own" one; out of the total of 3055 movies 2386 ones only got 1 vote. And only 244 movies received 3 votes or more.
Perhaps the main contributing factor to the "1 vote" reality has to do with the lack of limitations on the criteria around what defines an "underrated movie, and I am not surprised by this result, and think that the trend would have continued with even twice as many participants.

As for reasons why the vast majority of post-1990 films in the top 100, I think it goes much further than a "recency bias" or participant demographics. As one poster noted somewhere in the thread, there is a lot more consensus of approval for interesting films made prior to 1990, and, for me, while imdb ratings are informative for pre-1980 films, I have found that they are almost worthless for movies made afterward (just too many opinionators who know very little about filmmaking influencing the ratings, for one thing).

Though I am not inspired by the overall list generated for this poll, I will acknowledge that their are some distinctive film stylists represented, underrated, or not, and perhaps that is what should have been expected.

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Post by albajos » January 9th, 2020, 7:59 am

or we are just that different, which is a good thing

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » January 9th, 2020, 11:24 am

cinewest wrote:
January 9th, 2020, 7:45 am
Lonewolf2003 wrote:
January 8th, 2020, 4:49 pm
Links to lists

:ICM: Top 100
:ICM: Complete List
:imdb: Top 100
:imdb: Complete List

A nuance about the complete list: more than any list this been a real "Ain't Nobody's Blues But My Own" one; out of the total of 3055 movies 2386 ones only got 1 vote. And only 244 movies received 3 votes or more.
Perhaps the main contributing factor to the "1 vote" reality has to do with the lack of limitations on the criteria around what defines an "underrated movie, and I am not surprised by this result, and think that the trend would have continued with even twice as many participants.

I do think that if we do this again more criteria might be better indeed. The list now has too many movies that or more love-or-hate-movies than underrated or might have low IMDb rating but are hard to be regarded as underrated cause they are rated highly by critics and such. But as the discussion beforehand made clear it's hard to make concrete criteria for these. And then again I myself was also too lazy to filter out my list on these.

Or maybe we could do a upset like the DTC, where everybody has to vote on the movies after the total ballot is made up.

To me this been an interesting exercise but also not a list I will get many recoms from. And not a poll I feel the need to repeat anytime.

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Post by Onderhond » January 9th, 2020, 11:33 am

I'm quite happy with the results. The only thing that bothered me a bit was the rather high amount of 6.5+ titles in the list, because I didn't even consider them for my 10s, let alone low-ranked favorites, but that's just my personal definition of underrated. I do get the feeling that people are inclined to lower their standards a bit to pad their submission lists, so tighter guidance about rules might help out in the future.

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Post by cinewest » January 9th, 2020, 11:58 am

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
January 9th, 2020, 11:24 am
cinewest wrote:
January 9th, 2020, 7:45 am
Lonewolf2003 wrote:
January 8th, 2020, 4:49 pm
Links to lists

:ICM: Top 100
:ICM: Complete List
:imdb: Top 100
:imdb: Complete List

A nuance about the complete list: more than any list this been a real "Ain't Nobody's Blues But My Own" one; out of the total of 3055 movies 2386 ones only got 1 vote. And only 244 movies received 3 votes or more.
Perhaps the main contributing factor to the "1 vote" reality has to do with the lack of limitations on the criteria around what defines an "underrated movie, and I am not surprised by this result, and think that the trend would have continued with even twice as many participants.

I do think that if we do this again more criteria might be better indeed. The list now has too many movies that or more love-or-hate-movies than underrated or might have low IMDb rating but are hard to be regarded as underrated cause they are rated highly by critics and such. But as the discussion beforehand made clear it's hard to make concrete criteria for these. And then again I myself was also too lazy to filter out my list on these.

Or maybe we could do a upset like the DTC, where everybody has to vote on the movies after the total ballot is made up.

To me this been an interesting exercise but also not a list I will get many recoms from. And not a poll I feel the need to repeat anytime.
Consider it a dry run where the results can help you define the term and / or refine the criteria more for next time. One thing to consider is how to go about drawing upon a different pool of movies than those that show up in other polls, like the "favorite movies on no lists," or "500<400," etc.

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Post by Lakigigar » January 9th, 2020, 11:59 am

albajos wrote:
January 9th, 2020, 7:59 am
or we are just that different, which is a good thing
this.

In many forum lists i have the feeling our taste is too similar and some input like from Onderhond can feel fresh. But what i like about this list is that it's so varying.

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Post by Fergenaprido » January 9th, 2020, 12:05 pm

A vote affinity rundown would be nice. Casually looking through the results, I saw musikurt show up for a lot of the same films I voted for. I need to start seeing more of their favourites, since it seems we enjoy the same types of movies. I think that's been the best part of this poll: locating other users with similar tastes as mine that are counter to the mainstream.

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » January 9th, 2020, 12:38 pm

Fergenaprido wrote:
January 9th, 2020, 12:05 pm
A vote affinity rundown would be nice. Casually looking through the results, I saw musikurt show up for a lot of the same films I voted for. I need to start seeing more of their favourites, since it seems we enjoy the same types of movies. I think that's been the best part of this poll: locating other users with similar tastes as mine that are counter to the mainstream.
That would be interesting indeed. Unfortunate I have too little Excel skills to do that. Who's the user that aways does this for some other polls?

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » January 9th, 2020, 12:40 pm

Onderhond wrote:
January 9th, 2020, 11:33 am
I'm quite happy with the results. The only thing that bothered me a bit was the rather high amount of 6.5+ titles in the list, because I didn't even consider them for my 10s, let alone low-ranked favorites, but that's just my personal definition of underrated. I do get the feeling that people are inclined to lower their standards a bit to pad their submission lists, so tighter guidance about rules might help out in the future.
You're probably right about people padding their list and a lower rating might have helped.

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » January 9th, 2020, 12:42 pm

cinewest wrote:
January 9th, 2020, 11:58 am
Lonewolf2003 wrote:
January 9th, 2020, 11:24 am
cinewest wrote:
January 9th, 2020, 7:45 am


Perhaps the main contributing factor to the "1 vote" reality has to do with the lack of limitations on the criteria around what defines an "underrated movie, and I am not surprised by this result, and think that the trend would have continued with even twice as many participants.

I do think that if we do this again more criteria might be better indeed. The list now has too many movies that or more love-or-hate-movies than underrated or might have low IMDb rating but are hard to be regarded as underrated cause they are rated highly by critics and such. But as the discussion beforehand made clear it's hard to make concrete criteria for these. And then again I myself was also too lazy to filter out my list on these.

Or maybe we could do a upset like the DTC, where everybody has to vote on the movies after the total ballot is made up.

To me this been an interesting exercise but also not a list I will get many recoms from. And not a poll I feel the need to repeat anytime.
Consider it a dry run where the results can help you define the term and / or refine the criteria more for next time. One thing to consider is how to go about drawing upon a different pool of movies than those that show up in other polls, like the "favorite movies on no lists," or "500<400," etc.
One thing I am happy about is that the results turned out to be a bit different than the <400 and the on 0 official lists lists and there's were little overlap with those lists. Though of course there still are many usual suspects, particilar nearer the top. But hey that's just the movies most of us like the most.

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Post by cinewest » January 9th, 2020, 2:22 pm

albajos wrote:
January 9th, 2020, 7:59 am
or we are just that different, which is a good thing
Depends on the objective

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Post by cinewest » January 9th, 2020, 2:22 pm

double post, sorry

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » January 9th, 2020, 2:55 pm

cinewest wrote:
January 9th, 2020, 2:22 pm
albajos wrote:
January 9th, 2020, 7:59 am
or we are just that different, which is a good thing
Depends on the objective
Indeed, if we were all completely different in taste these polls would become futile exercises.

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Post by albajos » January 9th, 2020, 4:07 pm

Well, the goal is not to make the polls easier for you, it's to experience and expand on movies for everyone.

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » January 9th, 2020, 4:33 pm

albajos wrote:
January 9th, 2020, 4:07 pm
Well, the goal is not to make the polls easier for you, it's to experience and expand on movies for everyone.
I was not talking about just me. For everyone the expanding of movies would become very difficult if a list consisted solely of 1 votes movies, especially without any info about who voted for what. Then you would be better of just asking for recoms from users you want recoms from.
The goal of a poll by its design is to find movies that are loved by multiple users. And to use those results to expand your horizon.

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Post by albajos » January 9th, 2020, 5:04 pm

You - plural

And nobody is discussing 1-vote movies here, only the stuff that actually was in the list

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Post by joachimt » January 9th, 2020, 5:12 pm

So shall we do most overrated next? Could be fun......
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Post by Onderhond » January 9th, 2020, 5:17 pm

Definitely in. It'll be PdA troll-worthy.

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Post by Rufus-T » January 9th, 2020, 5:22 pm

Interesting result. I guess Cats is still too new :) I like Spring Break a lot. Lots of hate if I remember. Is The Tree of Life underrated? It was widely praised & voted # 1 that year on CFB. Anyway, I enjoy going through the countdown. Lots of recommendation.

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Post by RogerTheMovieManiac88 » January 9th, 2020, 5:34 pm

I'd like to see polls for Hidden Gems (under 500 or 1,000 votes on IMDb), Guilty Pleasures, and Most Overrated - although the last one out of these three is perhaps the one I'd be least interested in.
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Post by GruesomeTwosome » January 9th, 2020, 5:37 pm

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January 9th, 2020, 5:34 pm
I'd like to see polls for Hidden Gems (under 500 or 1,000 votes on IMDb)
But that would probably be very similar to, and likely have a lot of overlap with, the 500<400 poll, no?
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Post by blocho » January 9th, 2020, 5:39 pm

My only hesitation with most overrated is that it would just be filled with the most seen movies. I bet if we did a top 100 most overrated, 75 of the movies would be in the icheckmovies - most checked list.

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Post by RogerTheMovieManiac88 » January 9th, 2020, 5:48 pm

GruesomeTwosome wrote:
January 9th, 2020, 5:37 pm
RogerTheMovieManiac88 wrote:
January 9th, 2020, 5:34 pm
I'd like to see polls for Hidden Gems (under 500 or 1,000 votes on IMDb)
But that would probably be very similar to, and likely have a lot of overlap with, the 500<400 poll, no?
I suppose it would, yes. It's unlikely to happen for that reason.
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Post by Onderhond » January 9th, 2020, 7:23 pm

blocho wrote:
January 9th, 2020, 5:39 pm
My only hesitation with most overrated is that it would just be filled with the most seen movies. I bet if we did a top 100 most overrated, 75 of the movies would be in the icheckmovies - most checked list.
Would that really be the case? I probably end up with 80% of my votes on the TSPDT list.

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