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Re: ICM Forum's Favourite directors 2019

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Post by albajos » December 5th, 2019, 4:50 pm

Ok, so there is no restriction on voting on both of the directors in a duo then. As they are two different people.

Sorry, I find the whole poll completely pointless. Not participating.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » December 5th, 2019, 4:59 pm

albajos wrote:
December 5th, 2019, 4:50 pm
Ok, so there is no restriction on voting on both of the directors in a duo then. As they are two different people.
I think that's a fairer and more coherent argument than splitting up a person's career, yes. I don't like that as a solution because it makes the list unwieldy with duplication, but my objection to it is about practicalities.

Saying Powell with Pressburger and Powell without are two separate bodies of work is not coherent to me, especially for a collaborative art like film. People have noted differences between Tarantino with Menke and without, but they're all still Tarantino films.

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Post by Caracortada » December 7th, 2019, 5:35 pm

My list is updated and expanded to 150 names.

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Post by maxwelldeux » December 7th, 2019, 9:45 pm

Ranked: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls091278663/

Methods: I restricted this to directors for whom I have seen at least 3 films, and whose average rating is above my personal overall average. They are ranked by my Bayesian weighted average formula where I average in five "average" films in with the individual directors' films; this down-weights directors for whom I've seen fewer films and gives more weight to directors I've seen more from.

I did play around with Gorro's formula, but no matter how I tweaked it, Steven Spielberg kept coming up on top, which didn't resonate with me, so I stuck with my original.


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Post by blocho » December 10th, 2019, 9:11 pm

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls031733302/

Group Ranked:
1-12
13-24
25-31
32-39
40-66

Not a lot of changes this year. Powell had the biggest jump. I also added Beresford, Cuaron, PT Anderson, and Costa-Gavras.

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Post by RedHawk10 » December 10th, 2019, 10:49 pm

My ranked list:

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls091459852/

Will Bergman retain his inspired crown?!

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Post by psychotronicbeatnik » December 11th, 2019, 1:33 am

My UNRANKED (alphabetical) list:

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls027724426/

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Post by Jimi Antiloop » December 11th, 2019, 9:53 pm

I saw the discussion about how to rank. I just want to put my method in the ring, that comes straight mathematical.
I take every movie in the calculation. --- Shorts is half points. --- (Exception is the director uf the "up series", treated the documentaries like shorts.)

I adjusted it quite balanced I guess. At least I am satisfiyed. Add directors with at least two 8p films to my list.

10 -> 47 points
9,5 -> 38 points
9 -> 25 points
8,5 -> 15 points
8,0 -> 8 points
7,5 -> 3 points
7 - neutral
6 - neutral
5 - neutral
4,5 -> -1 points
4 -> -2 points
3,5 -> - 4 points
3 -> - 6 points
2,5 -> - 9 points
2 -> - 12 points
1,5 -> - 15 points
1 -> - 18 points
0,5 -> - 22 points
0 -> -26 points

As you can see, bad movies are accounted, but they bring a quite fewer malus, then the good ones.
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Post by Coryn » December 14th, 2019, 4:06 pm

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls091958570/

Overall happy with this list. It's definitely 'mainstream' for most users on here with a few niche picks along the way and focuses more on recent directors overall.
Used a completely mathematical method as well.
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Post by Coryn » December 16th, 2019, 10:10 pm

clemmetarey wrote:
December 16th, 2019, 9:45 pm
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls050891303/

RANKED
How do you decide which director you place 1st ?
I see you give way better scores on Kubrick than on Bergman but Bergman ended up 1st anyway.
Just curious, everybody his own list of course :)
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Post by clemmetarey » December 17th, 2019, 5:53 pm

Coryn wrote:
December 16th, 2019, 10:10 pm
clemmetarey wrote:
December 16th, 2019, 9:45 pm
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls050891303/

RANKED
How do you decide which director you place 1st ?
I see you give way better scores on Kubrick than on Bergman but Bergman ended up 1st anyway.
Just curious, everybody his own list of course :)
My ranking system is purely based on how I feel, I simply ask myself if I would consider someone to be one of my favorite directors, and if so how do I feel about his filmography in general.

Regarding Bergman and Kubrick, Bergman has 13 films rated 7 or more (76%). Kubrick "only" has 9 (69%). Bergman is also missing a few films, so my scores are outdated. Maybe as I continue to explore his filmography I'll feel less strongly about it as a whole and he'll drop some places. Unlikely to happen but we never know. :lol:


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Post by Obgeoff » December 19th, 2019, 12:24 pm

I've had so much fun with the analysis of the differing methodologies. I think I will go with maxwelldeux's Bayesian average. I haven't decided to cutoff at 3 or 4 films as of yet.

Is there an easy way to change the order of an entry in an imdb list? I'm looking to move up or down a director a few places.
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Post by AB537 » December 20th, 2019, 5:01 am

All of the methodologies strike me as reasonable, but I still have a dilemma: what to do with directors like Fellini and Godard, whose early work (through La Dolce Vita and New Wave, respectively) would land them very high on my list, but I wouldn't even consider ranking based on their work after those points. Out of curiosity, what are others doing in these cases (whether the same directors or others who they evaluate in similar ways)?

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Post by tommy_leazaq » December 20th, 2019, 5:15 am

Since I feel ranking and ratings are bit fluid in nature that can change over time and the feel and emotions are more likely to be stable over a period, My list ranking is based on a simple question:-

How interested and excited I'll be, if I'm be going to see a new (hypothetical/unheard/unreleased) film of that director?

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Post by mightysparks » December 20th, 2019, 6:13 am

Since I'm not a director person, I usually avoid this poll but I decided to just put a quick one together with the few directors who have made a lot of my favourites + make me want to watch their films when I see their involvement: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls091897292/. Ranked.
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Post by Tarris1 » December 20th, 2019, 9:35 am

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls091896975/ 1-60 ranked, rest unranked

Only those directors with atleast 2 8/10s were added. Ranking was based on the average of their 8/10+ films with an additional score for each of the 8/10+ films. Im mostly happy with the final results though there were plenty of ties (hence the 60+ being unranked). Definitely seems like I need to see more films from non-english directors (except maybe Japanese or French ones); most of the films with non-english directors on my favorites list only got one film on the list.

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Post by Gordon_Gekko » December 20th, 2019, 2:40 pm

I try it this way:
Every Director with at least three films I have seen.
Than - to evaluate the influence of the number of votes - I multiplied the average Rating with:

> 20 films -> 1,1
15 to 20 films -> 1,05
10 to 14 films -> 1
8 to 9 films -> 0,95
6 to 7 films -> 0,9
5 films -> 0,85
4 films -> 0,8
3 films - > 0,75
to not punish directors with a high number of watched films.
Not shure if it worked :lol:

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Post by maxwelldeux » December 20th, 2019, 10:09 pm

AB537 wrote:
December 20th, 2019, 5:01 am
All of the methodologies strike me as reasonable, but I still have a dilemma: what to do with directors like Fellini and Godard, whose early work (through La Dolce Vita and New Wave, respectively) would land them very high on my list, but I wouldn't even consider ranking based on their work after those points. Out of curiosity, what are others doing in these cases (whether the same directors or others who they evaluate in similar ways)?
My rankings are just based on the Bayesian average, so their crap gets averaged in with their awesome. They fall where they fall. But when I break ties, I pretty much do it on gut reaction of who I'd be most excited to watch something else from. So directors like you described would come out on top of my tie-breaks.

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Post by AB537 » December 24th, 2019, 12:03 am

My list: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls093507538/

Ranked 1-55
Group Ranked 56-81 and 82-135

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Post by Obgeoff » December 24th, 2019, 5:23 pm

Max, how do you account for directors with smaller filmographies like Kubrick or Tarkovsky? I'm adding more films to their Bayesian average than the number of films unseen.
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Post by maxwelldeux » December 24th, 2019, 6:23 pm

Obgeoff wrote:
December 24th, 2019, 5:23 pm
Max, how do you account for directors with smaller filmographies like Kubrick or Tarkovsky? I'm adding more films to their Bayesian average than the number of films unseen.
I don't make any adjustments for them, personally. I also don't count neither among my absolute favorites, though both made my list, so I was fine with where they fell.

You could reduce the effects of the Bayesian average (i.e., weaken the prior) by averaging in fewer "average" films to let what you have seen have great influence.

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Post by allisoncm » December 29th, 2019, 6:05 am

Pretty sure I posted my list already, but it's gone. Anyway, I did some reordering and added a lot based off of others' lists.
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls000299003/


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Post by St. Gloede » December 29th, 2019, 12:43 pm

Not edited my list yet, but it is already so late that it is best to ensure it is at least included: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls000238472/

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Post by OldAle1 » December 29th, 2019, 12:46 pm

Have the feeling I'm not going to get around to updating this, once again. Oh well. Anyway it's group ranked:

1-10
11-30
31-100
101-300

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls027734909/


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Post by 1SO » December 30th, 2019, 3:05 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
November 30th, 2019, 7:28 pm
I want to try to be consistent with directorial teams so we'll pick a director to represent each pair, the first one alphabetically. If there are any pairs that I missed let me know and I'll update this list:
Phil Lord & Christopher Miller ?

(And I can't believe I'm the first one to ask this.)

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Post by albajos » December 30th, 2019, 6:17 pm

I've suggested them for several years, but OP gets updated seldom

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Post by Obgeoff » December 30th, 2019, 6:21 pm

Limiting to directors that I have seen at least 3 features from and ranked by their Bayesian average (as per maxwelldeux's methodology):
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls093156125/

It is a ranked list. I'm really looking forward to seeing how it changes over time. In terms of new entrants, I expect Costa-Gavras, Kalatozov, Noé, Fosse, Fricke, Kobayashi, Watkins, Guerin, Desplechin, Ade, Yang, Bonello, Hansen-Love, Tarr, Ramsay, Bujalski and Vinterberg will start to feature highly as I see more of theirs. It's not a perfect ranking system - Vincente Minnelli misses out mostly because I saw a bunch of his films in a retrospective in Locarno. If I just went with his more highly rated he would be in the top 100 for sure.
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