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Post by Lonewolf2003 » October 26th, 2019, 12:44 pm

Since 2020 is slowly approaching it's about time to start discussing the Polls schedule for next year. The schedule will be set up in two stages (like was done also for the Challenge schedule); by first running two preliminary polls and after that one final poll. This to make the amount of choices in the final poll less massive, because there are only 6 slots left in the 2020 Polls schedule. The two preliminary polls will be divided in one for new and one for recurring lists.

For the preliminary poll for new ideas all the leftover ideas from last years poll are nominated: (Plus new ideas from myself and this topic)
Joyous/happy
Disturbing
Coming of age
History/period
Biopics
Gangster
Prison
Romcom
Romance
Spy
Erotic
Music
Dance
Mini-series
African American Cinema
Pre-Code films
Eastern Europe (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Moldova and Ukraine )
Central Asia & Caucasus (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia)
South Asia (Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka)
Sports
Crime
Directorial feature debuts
Music videos
Pre-1920s
Superhero


For the preliminary poll for recurring lists all that were held in 2016 or before are nominated:
Action Movies (previous edition held in 2016)
Christmas (previous edition held in 2012)
Comedies (previous edition held in 2016)
Depressing (previous edition held in 2015)
Experimental/Avant-Garde Films (previous edition held in 2016)
Movies With the Best Visuals (previous edition held in 2013)
Noirs (previous edition held in 2015)
Silents (previous edition held in 2014)
Thriller/Suspense Movies (previous edition held in 2016)
TV Series (previous edition held in 2015)
Western Movies (previous edition held in 2016)
Balkan Films (previous edition held in 2016)
Central European Films (previous edition held in 2016)
Italian (previous edition held in 2015)
Latin American and Caribbean Movies (previous edition held in 2016)
Nordic movies (previous edition held in 2016)
Russian Movies (previous edition held in 2016)


Before those two preliminary polls are held, this topic will be open for one week (until November 2nd) to suggest new ideas or to advocate ones held last in 2017 for the preliminary polls.

These Polls are already scheduled for 2020:
On 0 Official Lists (repeat)
1001 Favourite Films (annual)
2010s (annual)
500<400 (annual)
1950s (repeat)
1960s (repeat)

Here's our List index
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Post by Lonewolf2003 » October 26th, 2019, 1:17 pm

Another topic I want to discuss is if we should adopt the same country/region division for the Polls as the one for the Challenges. The biggest benefit of this is that the division of the world and the composition of regions are similar in the polls and challenges when we do. Disadvantage is that it is doubtful we can produce quality lists for every region with the challenges division (especially for Latin America which for challenges is divided in four parts, Mexico, Caribbean, Central and South-America) and on the other hand some might be better served by splitting it up for the polls (Eastern Europe (excl Balkans and Russia) in Central and Eastern Europe). Another argument against is that there is less need to cover every country/region in the world with our lists as with challenges, because challenges are meant to explore those underseen countries, while for polls we might not be able to produce decent lists.

To compare the two divisions:
PollsChallenges
African
Balkan
Benelux
Canadian
Central Asia & Caucasus (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia)
Central Europe ( Poland, Czech Republic, Czechoslovakia Slovakia, Hungary)
Chinese (China/Hong Kong/Taiwan/Macao/Tibet)
Eastern Europe (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Moldova and Ukraine )
French
German
Iberian
Italian
Japan
Korean
Latin American and Caribbean
Middle East (Bahrain, Cyprus, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, Yemen)
Nordic
Oceania
Russia/USSR
South Asia (Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka)
Southeast Asia (Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myamer (Burma), Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, East-Timor, Vietnam)
UK
Africa
Balkans
Benelux
Canada
Caribbean
Central America

China/Hong Kong/Taiwan
Eastern Europe (- excluding Russia and Balkans)
France
Germany/Austria/Switzerland
Iberia
India/Pakistan/Myanmar/Bangladesh
Iran/Central Asia
Italy
Japan
Korean Peninsula
Mexico
Middle East - excluding Iran
Nordic countries
Oceania
Russia/USSR
South America
Southeast Asia
UK/Ireland

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#3

Post by Fergenaprido » October 26th, 2019, 5:37 pm

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
October 26th, 2019, 1:17 pm
Another topic I want to discuss is if we should adopt the same country/region division for the Polls as the one for the Challenges. The biggest benefit of this is that the division of the world and the composition of regions are similar in the polls and challenges when we do. Disadvantage is that it is doubtful we can produce quality lists for every region with the challenges division (especially for Latin America which for challenges is divided in four parts, Mexico, Caribbean, Central and South-America) and on the other hand some might be better served by splitting it up for the polls (Eastern Europe (excl Balkans and Russia) in Central and Eastern Europe). Another argument against is that there is less need to cover every country/region in the world with our lists as with challenges, because challenges are meant to explore those underseen countries, while for polls we might not be able to produce decent lists.
I think it's ideal, perhaps, but also think your last sentence sums up quite well why it's not necessary :)

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Post by Ivan0716 » October 27th, 2019, 8:55 am

Directorial feature debuts?

I really don't like the sound of a poll for "Disturbing" films, it's going to be such a shitshow.

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Post by albajos » October 27th, 2019, 10:10 am

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
October 26th, 2019, 12:44 pm
2010s (annual)
2010 to 2020 then? (11 years)

I would like to see a music video poll, but those results can probably also be pulled from a shorts poll.
But with so many missing there is probably a lot of possible movies missing from the lists

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » October 27th, 2019, 10:24 am

albajos wrote:
October 27th, 2019, 10:10 am
Lonewolf2003 wrote:
October 26th, 2019, 12:44 pm
2010s (annual)
2010 to 2020 then? (11 years)

I would like to see a music video poll, but those results can probably also be pulled from a shorts poll.
But with so many missing there is probably a lot of possible movies missing from the lists
No 2010-2019 to complete the decade. There are a lot of 2019 movies people haven’t been able to see yet last time the poll was held. And of course there are also a lot of other movies people are still catching up to. And most will have only seen a handful of 2020s movies by then.
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Post by Lonewolf2003 » October 27th, 2019, 10:25 am

Ivan0716 wrote:
October 27th, 2019, 8:55 am
Directorial feature debuts?

I really don't like the sound of a poll for "Disturbing" films, it's going to be such a shitshow.
Great idea!

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Post by albajos » October 27th, 2019, 10:28 am

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
October 27th, 2019, 10:25 am
Ivan0716 wrote:
October 27th, 2019, 8:55 am
Directorial feature debuts?

I really don't like the sound of a poll for "Disturbing" films, it's going to be such a shitshow.
Great idea!
I have thouht about that one too, but it has to be a theatrical released feature film. There are so many lackluster student films they're not proud of that had to fulfill a task, and is not an artistic undertaing.

So the definition will be very grey for me

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » October 27th, 2019, 10:34 am

albajos wrote:
October 27th, 2019, 10:28 am
Lonewolf2003 wrote:
October 27th, 2019, 10:25 am
Ivan0716 wrote:
October 27th, 2019, 8:55 am
Directorial feature debuts?

I really don't like the sound of a poll for "Disturbing" films, it's going to be such a shitshow.
Great idea!
I have thouht about that one too, but it has to be a theatrical released feature film. There are so many lackluster student films they're not proud of that had to fulfill a task, and is not an artistic undertaing.

So the definition will be very grey for me
I think if it’s been commercial released it should be eligible, cause if they are made able to be seen by the public we can judge them on that. Student films that were just meant as their final exams and shouldn’t be. At least my understanding is that most students films aren’t commercial released and were never meant to be seen by the public

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » October 27th, 2019, 2:33 pm

Directorial debut is generally read to mean directorial feature debut which bypasses most of the student film early shorts issues.

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Post by flaiky » October 28th, 2019, 7:45 pm

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
October 26th, 2019, 12:44 pm
Silents (previous edition held in 2014)
This is a bit misleading IMO, since a 1920s poll was held in Oct 2017.
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Post by 72aicm » October 28th, 2019, 7:52 pm

flaiky wrote:
October 28th, 2019, 7:45 pm
Lonewolf2003 wrote:
October 26th, 2019, 12:44 pm
Silents (previous edition held in 2014)
This is a bit misleading IMO, since a 1920s poll was held in Oct 2017.
Not really.

About time we do a 1910s poll?


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Post by flaiky » October 28th, 2019, 8:47 pm

72allinncallme wrote:
October 28th, 2019, 7:52 pm
Not really.

About time we do a 1910s poll?
We all know that a Silents polls would be heavily dominated by 1920s films. There would be a huge amount of duplication. So yes, we should do a "1910s and earlier" poll at some point (once we've gone through the other decades, I guess).
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Post by 72aicm » October 28th, 2019, 8:59 pm

flaiky wrote:
October 28th, 2019, 8:47 pm
72allinncallme wrote:
October 28th, 2019, 7:52 pm
Not really.

About time we do a 1910s poll?
We all know that a Silents polls would be heavily dominated by 1920s films. There would be a huge amount of duplication. So yes, we should do a "1910s and earlier" poll at some point (once we've gone through the other decades, I guess).
But we’ve gone through the other decades already.

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Post by flaiky » October 28th, 2019, 9:53 pm

We're doing a new cycle. 20s in 2017, 30s and 40s this year, 50s and 60s next year.

We only have 6 poll choices so I'd be disappointed if one slot was taken by Silents when we did such a similar poll relatively recently.
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Post by 72aicm » October 28th, 2019, 10:09 pm

flaiky wrote:
October 28th, 2019, 9:53 pm
We're doing a new cycle. 20s in 2017, 30s and 40s this year, 50s and 60s next year.
I know. And it’s rather stupid to do them again when it’s decades yet to be held.
flaiky wrote:We only have 6 poll choices so I'd be disappointed if one slot was taken by Silents when we did such a similar poll relatively recently.
But we didn’t. That poll covered less than 1/3 of the silent era and included talkies... It would be like having a France poll and then saying that since we held that one we’ve covered all the French speaking countries.

Not to mention that it’s actually three years since we did the 20s poll. Not relatively recently.

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Post by flaiky » October 28th, 2019, 10:20 pm

It was in October 2017, exactly 2 years ago. No talkies made the list at all (unsurprisingly). In the 2014 Silents poll, only 10 of the top 100 were pre-1920s and about 75 from the whole 300. So I maintain that there would be a lot of duplication with the 1920s list and it would be more interesting to separate the early decades anyway. If we want to nominate "Early Silents" as a poll option, I'd be more on board.
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Post by 72aicm » October 28th, 2019, 10:32 pm

flaiky wrote:
October 28th, 2019, 10:20 pm
It was in October 2017, exactly 2 years ago. No talkies made the list at all (unsurprisingly). In the 2014 Silents poll, only 10 of the top 100 were pre-1920s and about 75 from the whole 300. So I maintain that there would be a lot of duplication with the 1920s list and it would be more interesting to separate the early decades anyway. If we want to nominate "Early Silents" as a poll option, I'd be more on board.
It will be three years in 2020. I agree that an «early silents» poll makes more sense.

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » October 28th, 2019, 10:32 pm

I will make it clearer in the poll that the 20s polls was held relatively recently for the Silent options.

The reason we aren't doing the pre-1920s decades is because last times I asked there wasn't enough animo to do those. So decided to start the new cycle with the 30s again.

EDIT: I will add an Early Silents option to the poll. With early Silents, Silents from before 1920s are meant? In which case we can just as well name it the pre-1920s or 1910s and earlier poll.

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Post by Gorro » October 29th, 2019, 9:24 am

I'm curious to see what a iCM-forum Superhero toplist would look like.


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Post by Lilarcor » October 29th, 2019, 11:51 pm

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
October 28th, 2019, 10:32 pm
I will make it clearer in the poll that the 20s polls was held relatively recently for the Silent options.

The reason we aren't doing the pre-1920s decades is because last times I asked there wasn't enough animo to do those. So decided to start the new cycle with the 30s again.

EDIT: I will add an Early Silents option to the poll. With early Silents, Silents from before 1920s are meant? In which case we can just as well name it the pre-1920s or 1910s and earlier poll.
Early silents is a bit confusing perhaps as early cinema commonly refers to films made up to the year 1906-1907. So pre 1920s sounds more accurate as it is self-explanatory.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » October 30th, 2019, 1:20 am

Gorro wrote:
October 29th, 2019, 9:24 am
I'm curious to see what a iCM-forum Superhero toplist would look like.
Dark Knight and Incredibles at the top. I don't know if you could get even a top 50, though.

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Post by beasterne » November 3rd, 2019, 2:32 am

What does everyone think of a “film canon” poll? Or an essential films poll? It’s distinct from a favorites poll and I think this forum could come up with an interesting list.

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