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Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 1 preparation

#41

Post by PeacefulAnarchy » October 23rd, 2019, 11:15 pm

Fergenaprido wrote:
October 23rd, 2019, 2:52 pm
joachimt wrote:
October 23rd, 2019, 2:50 pm
Fergenaprido wrote:
October 23rd, 2019, 2:04 pm
On that note, could the rest of the Season 3 threads be moved into the subforum? It only contains the matches up until the quarter-finals. There are 6 threads that I can see on Page 2 that need to be moved.
You should ask a mod to do so. I always start a thread in "Our lists and projects" so it's not stuffed away in a subforum. When something is finished it could be moved indeed.
Yeah, I only meant the finished threads.

I always forget you're not a mod on here. :pinch:
Did I get them all?

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Post by PGonzalez » October 24th, 2019, 12:04 am

Will there be any thread to discuss suggestions?

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Post by blocho » October 24th, 2019, 12:10 am

PGonzalez wrote:
October 24th, 2019, 12:04 am
Will there be any thread to discuss suggestions?
We've done that in years past, when people want to say, hey I know a great movie from countries x, y, and z. I see no reason we shouldn't use this thread.

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#44

Post by Fergenaprido » October 24th, 2019, 4:15 am

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
October 23rd, 2019, 11:15 pm
Fergenaprido wrote:
October 23rd, 2019, 2:52 pm
joachimt wrote:
October 23rd, 2019, 2:50 pm

You should ask a mod to do so. I always start a thread in "Our lists and projects" so it's not stuffed away in a subforum. When something is finished it could be moved indeed.
Yeah, I only meant the finished threads.

I always forget you're not a mod on here. :pinch:
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Yes, thank you PA.

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Post by joachimt » October 24th, 2019, 7:22 am

PGonzalez wrote:
October 24th, 2019, 12:04 am
Will there be any thread to discuss suggestions?
You can discuss here.
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Post by joachimt » October 24th, 2019, 7:22 am

monty wrote:
October 23rd, 2019, 9:54 pm
Also, would fan edits be eligible?
No
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Post by wasabi » October 28th, 2019, 2:09 am

An Elephant Sitting Still would be my first choice if it's not too long.

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Post by Mochard » October 29th, 2019, 2:49 am

wasabi wrote:
October 28th, 2019, 2:09 am
An Elephant Sitting Still would be my first choice if it's not too long.
According to the rules the maximum length is 180 mins so this entry would be too long if the runtime of 230 mins is accurate.

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Post by wasabi » October 29th, 2019, 8:05 pm

Does anyone able to find subtitles for Pan si Dong (The Cave of the Silken Web). 1927. Directed by Dan Duyu ?

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Post by 72aicm » October 29th, 2019, 8:12 pm

wasabi wrote:
October 29th, 2019, 8:05 pm
Does anyone able to find subtitles for Pan si Dong (The Cave of the Silken Web). 1927. Directed by Dan Duyu ?
Wow. There is a copy floating around with Norwegian intertiles. Didn’t find with English subs though.
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Post by joachimt » October 29th, 2019, 8:12 pm

wasabi wrote:
October 29th, 2019, 8:05 pm
Does anyone able to find subtitles for Pan si Dong (The Cave of the Silken Web). 1927. Directed by Dan Duyu ?
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Post by Lilarcor » October 29th, 2019, 11:41 pm

72allinncallme wrote:
October 29th, 2019, 8:12 pm
wasabi wrote:
October 29th, 2019, 8:05 pm
Does anyone able to find subtitles for Pan si Dong (The Cave of the Silken Web). 1927. Directed by Dan Duyu ?
Wow. There is a copy floating around with Norwegian intertiles. Didn’t find with English subs though.
iirc it was rediscovered in Norway. The Norwegian intertitles take some liberties in the "translation" however to make some local flavor jokes for the audience at the time.

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Post by wasabi » October 30th, 2019, 2:33 am

72allinncallme wrote:
October 29th, 2019, 8:12 pm
wasabi wrote:
October 29th, 2019, 8:05 pm
Does anyone able to find subtitles for Pan si Dong (The Cave of the Silken Web). 1927. Directed by Dan Duyu ?
Wow. There is a copy floating around with Norwegian intertiles. Didn’t find with English subs though.
I think that's the one I have.

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Post by Ivan0716 » October 30th, 2019, 3:32 am

wasabi wrote:
October 30th, 2019, 2:33 am
72allinncallme wrote:
October 29th, 2019, 8:12 pm
wasabi wrote:
October 29th, 2019, 8:05 pm
Does anyone able to find subtitles for Pan si Dong (The Cave of the Silken Web). 1927. Directed by Dan Duyu ?
Wow. There is a copy floating around with Norwegian intertiles. Didn’t find with English subs though.
I think that's the one I have.
Do you mind sharing it? Shoot me a PM. :P

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Post by Ivan0716 » October 31st, 2019, 5:58 pm

Nevermind, found a copy. Some of the Chinese intertitles were upside down or mirrored, but the Norwegian on the same frames were fine. I guess they just stitched them back together wrong while adding the translations.

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Post by zzzorf » November 4th, 2019, 2:36 am

This waiting a month is killing me, can't we start already, lol

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Post by Mate_cosido » November 4th, 2019, 9:41 pm

I see that the movie that i am considering has been checked by a number of users of the forum, and hasn't been favorited by any, i don't use the favorites on icm anymore, so maybe is nothing and i'll end up choosing it, but if anyone has any reccomedations for Taiwan, i think i can watch 4 or 5 movies before the deadline

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Post by mjf314 » November 4th, 2019, 9:57 pm

Mate_cosido wrote:
November 4th, 2019, 9:41 pm
I see that the movie that i am considering has been checked by a number of users of the forum, and hasn't been favorited by any, i don't use the favorites on icm anymore, so maybe is nothing and i'll end up choosing it, but if anyone has any reccomedations for Taiwan, i think i can watch 4 or 5 movies before the deadline
I suggest An lian tao hua yuan.

It's one of the films that I was considering last season (I was the Taiwan manager).

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Post by Mochard » November 5th, 2019, 12:25 am

I'm sorry but I'll have to pull out of managing a country. I'm just not going to have the time to watch films and be in the world cup. If someone wants to take over that would be great. My country is France. Sorry for the inconvenience. There is still 24 days to pick a film.

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Post by Mate_cosido » November 5th, 2019, 1:02 am

mjf314 wrote:
November 4th, 2019, 9:57 pm
Mate_cosido wrote:
November 4th, 2019, 9:41 pm
I see that the movie that i am considering has been checked by a number of users of the forum, and hasn't been favorited by any, i don't use the favorites on icm anymore, so maybe is nothing and i'll end up choosing it, but if anyone has any reccomedations for Taiwan, i think i can watch 4 or 5 movies before the deadline
I suggest An lian tao hua yuan.

It's one of the films that I was considering last season (I was the Taiwan manager).
Thanks mjf, i already watched that one and is one of the movies i was considering, i really loved it, although i'm not that confident others will

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Post by Fergenaprido » November 5th, 2019, 3:06 am

Mochard wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 12:25 am
I'm sorry but I'll have to pull out of managing a country. I'm just not going to have the time to watch films and be in the world cup. If someone wants to take over that would be great. My country is France. Sorry for the inconvenience. There is still 24 days to pick a film.
While it would be nice if the managers also participated in the World Cup, it's not a requirement. There are a number of managers in previous seasons who did not vote in any of the matches. As long as you select the film for your country in each round, that's all that's required. Shouldn't take up too much of your time, especially with such a big film country as France where I'm sure you've already seen a large number of eligible films that you could choose from.

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Post by Mochard » November 5th, 2019, 3:27 am

Fergenaprido wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 3:06 am
Mochard wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 12:25 am
I'm sorry but I'll have to pull out of managing a country. I'm just not going to have the time to watch films and be in the world cup. If someone wants to take over that would be great. My country is France. Sorry for the inconvenience. There is still 24 days to pick a film.
While it would be nice if the managers also participated in the World Cup, it's not a requirement. There are a number of managers in previous seasons who did not vote in any of the matches. As long as you select the film for your country in each round, that's all that's required. Shouldn't take up too much of your time, especially with such a big film country as France where I'm sure you've already seen a large number of eligible films that you could choose from.
Ok cool. I'll still submit a film then. I'll see how I get on. I may have jumped the gun a bit.

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Post by joachimt » November 5th, 2019, 5:48 am

Mochard wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 3:27 am
Fergenaprido wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 3:06 am
Mochard wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 12:25 am
I'm sorry but I'll have to pull out of managing a country. I'm just not going to have the time to watch films and be in the world cup. If someone wants to take over that would be great. My country is France. Sorry for the inconvenience. There is still 24 days to pick a film.
While it would be nice if the managers also participated in the World Cup, it's not a requirement. There are a number of managers in previous seasons who did not vote in any of the matches. As long as you select the film for your country in each round, that's all that's required. Shouldn't take up too much of your time, especially with such a big film country as France where I'm sure you've already seen a large number of eligible films that you could choose from.
Ok cool. I'll still submit a film then. I'll see how I get on. I may have jumped the gun a bit.
Glad to decided this. Indeed the first thing you need to do is select one movie. After that there's nothing you're required to do for several months. If you loose the first round, you won't have to do anything more at all.
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Post by zzzorf » November 5th, 2019, 7:23 am

Mate_cosido wrote:
November 4th, 2019, 9:41 pm
I see that the movie that i am considering has been checked by a number of users of the forum, and hasn't been favorited by any, i don't use the favorites on icm anymore, so maybe is nothing and i'll end up choosing it, but if anyone has any reccomedations for Taiwan, i think i can watch 4 or 5 movies before the deadline
While it may contain a grey area for country of origin with UK it seems to be accepted enough as a Taiwan film that I recommend The Receptionist (2016) that would be my choice if I had your country.

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Post by beavis » November 5th, 2019, 8:07 am

The Boys from Fengkuei would be my savest bet for Taiwan. Strongly influenced by I Viteloni, like many others, but this is by far the best of all those that the Felini movie inspired.
less obvious, but just as interesting would be Zinnia Flower from 2015. Taiwanese cinema has gotten a strong young impulse in recent years, so it is interesting to go for something recent for that country. This one I gave the highest rating to, but there are still younger and hipper directors out there to discover.

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Post by zzzorf » November 5th, 2019, 10:25 am

Ok felt like wasting some time while I wait for the start of the Cup so i thought why not take a look at what I would offer up as my choices if I had the other countries that are involved. The following choices would be what I would have offered up and could be considered as suggestions to the respective managers if they would like to listen. Sorry all titles are the English ones

1. Albania (RogerTheMovieManiac88) N/A haven't seen any
2. Australia (blocho) Last Cab to Darwin (2015)
3. Brazil (beavis) Amazonia (2013)
4. Canada (sol) Cafe de Flore (2011)
5. China (wasabi) Dragon Nest: Warriors Dawn (2014)
6. Cuba (sacmersault) N/A haven't seen any
7. Czech Republic (mjf314) Sins of the Realm (2003) sorry the good ones I have seen are over 1000 checks
8. England (filmbantha) So Long at the Fair (1950)
9. Estonia (jvv) N/A haven't seen any
10. France (Mochard) Innocence (2004)
11. Georgia (zzzorf) N/A you will just have to wait and see
12. Germany (klaus78) The Doll (1919)
13. Greece (burneyfan) Emanuelle: Queen of Sados (1980) the only movie I have seen
14. Hungary (Ivan0716) Womb (2010)
15. Iceland (Asberg) Sparrows (2015)
16. India (Ritesh) Black (2005)
17. Iran (Nathan Treadway) N/A all watched over 1000 checks
18. Italy (hurluberlu) Cock Crows at Eleven (1978)
19. Japan (Gordon_Gekko) Hara-kiri: Death of a Samurai (2011)
20. Mexico (72allinncallme) Santo vs. Frankensteins Daughter (1972) yeah I know, Luchador movies are the only things I've watched under 1000 checks worth giving anyone else
21. Pakistan (zhangalan) N/A haven't seen any
22. Poland (sebby) The Lure (2015)
23. Portugal (Pgonzalez) Luz da Manha (2011) only have a short I can give
24. Russia (Gorro) Mermaid (2007)
25. Senegal (Fergenaprido) Almodou (2002)
26. Slovenia (Mario Gaborović) N/A have not seen any
27. Spain (PeacefulAnarchy) 3some (2009)
28. Sweden (Lilarcor) Girls Lost (2015)
29. Taiwan (Mate_cosido) The Receptionist (2016)
30. Tajikistan (clemmetarey) N/A haven't seen any
31. Ukraine (Angel Glez) The Tribe (2014)
32. USA (monty) Starlet (2012)

I have other choices if anyone is interested in watching a few other movies before they make their choice.

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Post by beavis » November 5th, 2019, 11:52 am

I already have 5 choices lined up, and a watchlist of movies from brazil I need to see ASAP, but tips are always apreciated!
Greece (burneyfan) Emanuelle: Queen of Sados (1980) the only movie I have seen
You wouldn't win with this choice, but it certainly would make the cup interesting ;) Seen it also, and it is not the worst of the many emanuelle clones, but not very good either. There is a lot of good movies to discover in Greece though!

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Post by burneyfan » November 5th, 2019, 12:19 pm

beavis wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 11:52 am
Greece (burneyfan) Emanuelle: Queen of Sados (1980) the only movie I have seen
You wouldn't win with this choice, but it certainly would make the cup interesting ;) Seen it also, and it is not the worst of the many emanuelle clones, but not very good either. There is a lot of good movies to discover in Greece though!
Yes, I'm debating between two favorite picks for Greece right now, but that isn't one of them! I appreciated the recommendation, though! :hug: :cheers:

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Post by filmbantha » November 5th, 2019, 12:46 pm

Some interesting suggestions there zzzorf. Particularly pleased to see you mention Cafe de Flore for Canada, that was my first successful dtc nomination and I imagine it would perform well in the cup. The Tribe is a great rec also.

Strangely enough I watched so long at the fair this weekend! It's an intriguing mystery and will place on my 500<400 list next year but I don't think it surpasses my other selections for the cup.

I'm predominantly watching obscure English films in the build up to the cup on the off chance I discover a new gem, so I'm open to recommendations if you or anyone else has any suggestions.

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Post by Mate_cosido » November 5th, 2019, 12:48 pm

Thanks for the recomendations zzorf and beavis!, i'm gonna check out Zinnia Flower and The Receptionist before the deadline, I already watched The Boys from Fengkuei, and also loved it, i didn't want to go with a Yang, Hou or Tsai, for the first movie, since i may not even pass that and wanted to highlight a less-known film/director, but if i end up choosing a movie from them, i was thinking on other of the less watched Hou films from the 80s

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Post by zzzorf » November 5th, 2019, 1:00 pm

Well I never said my Greece choice was a good one, just the only eligible one I have. Not a Cup winner but an enjoyable watch if you are in the mood

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Post by Ivan0716 » November 5th, 2019, 1:46 pm

zzzorf wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 10:25 am
14. Hungary (Ivan0716) Womb (2010)
Does that even count as a Hungarian film? But I'd probably go with Dealer or Forest if I decide to use a Fliegauf film.

I actually have about a dozen films in mind, but I'm not sure what kind of strategy to adopt, go with what I like best or what I think will win?

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Post by zzzorf » November 5th, 2019, 1:49 pm

filmbantha wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 12:46 pm
I'm predominantly watching obscure English films in the build up to the cup on the off chance I discover a new gem, so I'm open to recommendations if you or anyone else has any suggestions.
Yeah I don't have much more worthwhile suggestions for England. I suggested Friends (1971) for the 1<500<400 but the more I learn about cinema and myself I find that this is more a me choice not a great mass audience piece. Also Venetian Bird (1952) is worth a watch, not necessarily for the cup but it is the month for the official Noir challenge

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Post by zzzorf » November 5th, 2019, 1:55 pm

Ivan0716 wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 1:46 pm
zzzorf wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 10:25 am
14. Hungary (Ivan0716) Womb (2010)
Does that even count as a Hungarian film? But I'd probably go with Dealer or Forest if I decide to use a Fliegauf film.

I actually have about a dozen films in mind, but I'm not sure what kind of strategy to adopt, go with what I like best or what I think will win?
I debated it when I looked but it was the only thing I had to offer so I went with it.

As for strategy I say find the median ground or go for the win in the first round and go for the favourites later when there is less to beat it in the 1on1 matches.

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Post by blocho » November 5th, 2019, 2:53 pm

filmbantha wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 12:46 pm
I'm predominantly watching obscure English films in the build up to the cup on the off chance I discover a new gem, so I'm open to recommendations if you or anyone else has any suggestions.
Hell is a City, which was obscure when I saw it. I'm not sure it counts anymore. I also like The October Man and The Upturned Glass and The Rocking Horse winner.

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Post by sol » November 5th, 2019, 3:14 pm

filmbantha wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 12:46 pm
I'm predominantly watching obscure English films in the build up to the cup on the off chance I discover a new gem, so I'm open to recommendations if you or anyone else has any suggestions.
You probably can't go too wrong with Our Mother's House, since the forum generally seems to like films centered on children, right? I would also throw The Man Who Haunted Himself in the ring with an arguable career best Roger Moore turn.

Oh, and re: Canada, I'm deliberately choosing something with less than 20 checks that only seen three other forum regulars have seen. I think it is more logical for me to bring attention to unsung films like that rather than something that already has a solid following here.
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Post by kingink » November 5th, 2019, 3:43 pm

burneyfan wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 12:19 pm
beavis wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 11:52 am
Greece (burneyfan) Emanuelle: Queen of Sados (1980) the only movie I have seen
You wouldn't win with this choice, but it certainly would make the cup interesting ;) Seen it also, and it is not the worst of the many emanuelle clones, but not very good either. There is a lot of good movies to discover in Greece though!
Yes, I'm debating between two favorite picks for Greece right now, but that isn't one of them! I appreciated the recommendation, though! :hug: :cheers:
Hey! If you pick Emanuelle for Greece I am gonna quit this forum again! :ph43r: :lol: B) tehe

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Post by Mario Gaborović » November 5th, 2019, 4:14 pm

kingink wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 3:43 pm
burneyfan wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 12:19 pm
beavis wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 11:52 am



You wouldn't win with this choice, but it certainly would make the cup interesting ;) Seen it also, and it is not the worst of the many emanuelle clones, but not very good either. There is a lot of good movies to discover in Greece though!
Yes, I'm debating between two favorite picks for Greece right now, but that isn't one of them! I appreciated the recommendation, though! :hug: :cheers:
Hey! If you pick Emanuelle for Greece I am gonna quit this forum again! :ph43r: :lol: B) tehe
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Post by 72aicm » November 5th, 2019, 4:19 pm

So... genre films usually perform badly in the World Cup, right? My top three Mexican picks for the first round:

1. A horror movie
2. Sci-fi
3. Western.

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Post by filmbantha » November 5th, 2019, 4:54 pm

Thanks for everyone's suggestions, I've added them to an ever growing list that now totals 57 films. I'm planning on getting through as many as possible before the nomination deadline in the hope of unearthing a gem for the first round of the cup.

Horror, sci-fi or western all sound good to me! If I had managed Mexico I would have gone down a similar route.

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