Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑
May 5th, 2019, 5:38 pm
cinewest wrote: ↑
May 5th, 2019, 3:09 pm
joachimt wrote: ↑
May 5th, 2019, 2:55 pm
Are you talking in general here how a democracy doesn't work, or are you really talking negatively about this userbase?
I tried very hard to be clear. Read carefully. I am not attacking anyone, just responding to and riffing off what Albajos said to me
Maybe I am misinterpreting you and how your comment come across to me isn't how you meant it (not this one, but many you make in these kind of threads), in which case that's totally my fault and prejudices. But to me it seems you do feel that lowly about this userbase and you feel that your subjectivity is the objective truth, like albajos called it.
Let me clarify:
1) I do not feel "lowly" about this user base (that is how you have interpreted me) but have more or less said what I think and feel pretty directly on various threads.
If I were to "criticize" the user base, or say what is not satisfying to me, I would probably start with my sense that the user base (a generalization, just like the lists it creates) is too "list obsessed," and "watch obsessed," and doesn't discuss films, filmmakers (and why they do or don't like them), or the art of film enough.
As I said in the post you have quoted from, I also think that the user base is too self congratulatory and somewhat righteous about their own lists, own taste, and own beliefs about movies, and not enough interested in dialoging about them, or considering different perspectives.
2) I don't know where you got the idea that I think my subjectivity is the objective truth because I certainly didn't say that, nor do I believe it.
I will say that I have passionately explored movies and the "art of filmmaking" for at least 40 years (inclusive of a 5 year period where I collorborated on 7 short films of various types), and that I have continued to engage and develop ideas about the medium of film, and film narrative throughout.
The key, for me, has not only been my continued passion about the art form, but the openness to continue learning as well as engage and reflect upon ideas and expressions on film that are different from my own, including those that seem to push against me.
3) Coming back to the Userbase, here, I realize that it (and the lists created here) represents many kinds movie lovers, and that people are attracted to different kinds of movies, as well as different things about movies- call it film taste- and that no particular "taste" is superior.
But, just as with food or drinks, as soon as the concept of "taste" is conceived, so too does it imply that taste can be developed, even change and improve with greater knowledge and exposure.
4) That I have discovered so many interesting film titles on these boards since coming here presumes that I not only think quite a few people here have interesting taste in movies, but that I believe many titles I am unfamiliar with are worth checking out.
That said, I have not been so thrilled by the cumulative lists for reasons I have stated throughout the list threads. While I have enjoyed the diversity of some lists, as well as learning about the various film cultures here through the lists themselves, there are also things that are disappointing and/or seem to be missing.
In a recent response from OldAle1, he jokingly noted the absence of women or female participation in a thread about women filmmakers and inadvertently commented on something else that not satisfying about the list that has been generated here.
There are many interesting titles, to be sure, but it seems to me that everyone here already knows and has celebrated what is good about the list. What remains are the ways it doesn't satisfy, and that's what I have pointed out.