Welcome to the ICM Forum. If you have an account but have trouble logging in, or have other questions, see THIS THREAD.
Polls: 1940s (Results), Shorts (Nov 16th), 2007 (Nov 22nd), 1932 awards (Nov 24th), Knockout competition (Round 3)
Challenges: Noir, Unofficial, Korean, 2020 schedule
Film of the Week: Vuelven, December nominations (Nov 29th)
World Cup S4: Round 1 preparation (Nov 28th)
Film Festival: Main Slate, International, English-Language Independents, Documentaries, Arthouse, Animation, LGBT, Just Before Dawn (Dec 2nd)

iCM Forum's Film Recommendations for Children: Results

500<400, Favourite 1001 movies, Doubling the Canon, Film World Cup and many other votes
User avatar
Fergenaprido
Donator
Posts: 3352
Joined: Jun 03, 2014
Location: Malaysia
Contact:

Re: iCM Forum's Film Recommendations for Children: Results

#121

Post by Fergenaprido » April 21st, 2019, 10:07 am

Cool, thanks for the info mjf :)

User avatar
albajos
Posts: 6299
Joined: May 24, 2016
Location: Norway
Contact:

#122

Post by albajos » April 21st, 2019, 11:07 am

Just my two cents in the WWII discussion

We saw Anne Frank in school. And there are several versions to choose from.

The good thing about this kind of WWII movie is to show that they were just normal people. And the nazis had no (sensibile) reason to target them. Of course this was included with learning about the war. I think we were about 9-10.

User avatar
nimimerkillinen
Posts: 2134
Joined: Dec 30, 2011
Location: Vantaa, Finland
Contact:

#123

Post by nimimerkillinen » April 21st, 2019, 4:46 pm

6 unseen, highest Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer

User avatar
albajos
Posts: 6299
Joined: May 24, 2016
Location: Norway
Contact:

#124

Post by albajos » April 21st, 2019, 5:14 pm

8 unseen (or 7- I have probably seen Black Stallion in my youth), 4 of those 7 are non-english

User avatar
Eve-Lang-El-Coup
Posts: 427
Joined: Feb 03, 2017
Location: Aussieland
Contact:

#125

Post by Eve-Lang-El-Coup » April 25th, 2019, 2:58 am

mjf314 wrote:
April 17th, 2019, 6:29 pm
#45 Fantastic Mr. Fox (2009) (IMDb) (iCM)
Image
Directed by Wes Anderson
410.72
points, 9 votes
9 votersShow
burneyfan (unranked)
Carmel1379 (#129)
GruesomeTwosome (unranked)
Jimi Antiloop (#25)
mightysparks (unranked)
mjf314 (#40)
Mysterious Dude (#148)
nimimerkillinen (#69)
psychotronicbeatnik (unranked)
When I first showed my niece (10) and nephew (8) this film a few years back they were utterly bored by it. Then a while later they watched it at their own leisure and they enjoyed it very much. Now the book is my niece's favourite. Her favourite movie however is Maleficent which seems to have not made the list at all.

User avatar
Jimi Antiloop
Posts: 521
Joined: Sep 04, 2016
Location: Germany
Contact:

#126

Post by Jimi Antiloop » April 25th, 2019, 9:08 am

mjf314 wrote:
April 14th, 2019, 8:40 am
Highest ranked films with 1 vote:
Ain't nobody's childhood but my ownShow
#312 Krtek (1957) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Carmel1379 (#1)
#312 Rock-a-Bye Baby (1958) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Sol (#1)
#312 Surf's Up (2007) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Jimi Antiloop (#1)
#312 The Boss Baby (2017) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by allisoncm (#1)
#312 La guerre des tuques (1984) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Mario Gaborovic (#1)
#312 Shen nu (1934) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by pitchorneirda (#1)
#321 Pelle Svanslös (1981) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Mario Gaborovic (#2)
#321 La passion de Jeanne d'Arc (1928) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by pitchorneirda (#2)
#321 Otesánek (2000) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Caracortada (#2)
#321 Gravity (2013) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Onderhond (#2)
#321 Koneko monogatari (1986) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by allisoncm (#2)
#330 Gerald McBoing Boing (2005) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by allisoncm (#3)
#330 A Boy Named Charlie Brown (1969) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Caracortada (#3)
#330 The Tales of Hoffmann (1951) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by pitchorneirda (#3)
#341 Gerald McBoing-Boing (1950) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by mathiasa (#4)
#341 Monsieur Vincent (1947) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by pitchorneirda (#4)
#341 Kikujirô no natsu (1999) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Onderhond (#4)
#341 Pollyanna (1920) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Caracortada (#4)
#348 The Martian (2015) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Teproc (#5)
#348 Momo (1986) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Jimi Antiloop (#5)
#348 National Velvet (1944) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by zzzorf (#5)
#348 Cha no aji (2004) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Onderhond (#5)
#348 Dersu Uzala (1975) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by pitchorneirda (#5)
#361 Misa mi (2003) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Caracortada (#6)
#361 Zelig (1983) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by pitchorneirda (#6)
#361 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Carmel1379 (#6)
#361 Pereval (1988) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by mathiasa (#6)
#367 Arzak Rhapsody (2003) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by mathiasa (#7)
#367 Die Geschichte vom kleinen Muck (1953) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Jimi Antiloop (#7)
#367 Kind Hearts and Coronets (1949) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by ChrisReynolds (#7)
#367 Arrival (2016) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by pitchorneirda (#7)
#367 Mortal Kombat (1995) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by zzzorf (#7)
#367 Being There (1979) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by nimimerkillinen (#7)
#373 La prisonnière (1988) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by mathiasa (#8)
#373 The Adventures of Pinocchio (1996) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Jimi Antiloop (#8)
#373 Hong gao liang (1988) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by pitchorneirda (#8)
#373 Chelovek idyot za solntsem (1963) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Mario Gaborovic (#8)
#373 La petite bande (1983) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by allisoncm (#8)
#373 Kapitein Zeppos (1964) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Carmel1379 (#8)
#373 Pako to mahô no ehon (2008) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Onderhond (#8)
#383 Mirai no Mirai (2018) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Teproc (#9)
#383 Comment Wang-Fo fut sauvé (1987) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by mathiasa (#9)
#383 TRON (1982) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Mysterious Dude (#9)
#383 Voci nel tempo (1996) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by pitchorneirda (#9)
#383 Hottarake no shima - Haruka to maho no kagami (2009) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Onderhond (#9)
#383 Police Academy (1984) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by zzzorf (#9)
#383 The Bohemian Girl (1936) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Caracortada (#9)
#392 Suncokreti (1988) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Mario Gaborovic (#10)
#392 Usagi doroppu (2011) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Onderhond (#10)
#392 Au revoir là-haut (2017) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by pitchorneirda (#10)
#392 Ladri di biciclette (1948) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by Caracortada (#10)
#392 Alice in Wonderland (1999) (IMDb) (iCM) voted by zzzorf (#10)
Tron and Arrival, I could have voted for, They really should work for kids quite well.
:ICM: :letbxd: :Crtiticker: Reality Checks on :imdb:

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.”― Philip K. Dick

User avatar
Jimi Antiloop
Posts: 521
Joined: Sep 04, 2016
Location: Germany
Contact:

#127

Post by Jimi Antiloop » April 25th, 2019, 9:32 am

mjf314 wrote:
April 18th, 2019, 12:44 am
#41 Inside Out (2015) (IMDb) (iCM)
Directed by Pete Docter, Ronnie Del Carmen
421.03
points, 9 votes
9 votersShow
beasterne (#103)
burneyfan (unranked)
Carmel1379 (#80)
Fergenaprido (#66)
India Istanbul (unranked)
jvv (unranked)
maxwelldeux (#27)
mjf314 (#50)
nimimerkillinen (#101)
Wouldn't show this to kids. There is a bit too much subliminal programming in it. For example: She is very sad at one point and what is the solution to make her happy again? SHOPPING! :facepalm:
All in all Inside Out oversimplifing things. Simplification is okay, but this movie overdoes it. I see adults loving this film and I see them beeing the matrix stucked fellows this system needs to keep on working. But yeah eye candy over substance. I would like to see a Richard Linklater version of this idea, it wouldn't be as flat as this gets at some points.
:ICM: :letbxd: :Crtiticker: Reality Checks on :imdb:

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.”― Philip K. Dick

User avatar
Jimi Antiloop
Posts: 521
Joined: Sep 04, 2016
Location: Germany
Contact:

#128

Post by Jimi Antiloop » April 25th, 2019, 9:37 am

Caracortada wrote:
April 21st, 2019, 4:00 am
Thanks for the presentation.

I like most films in the top 10, but in the longer list I see several movies of the current century (mostly franchises) that would prepare children to become docile consumers rather than independent thinkers.

"Otesanek" and "A Boy Named Charlie Brown" deserve much more than one vote.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
:ICM: :letbxd: :Crtiticker: Reality Checks on :imdb:

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.”― Philip K. Dick

User avatar
flaiky
Posts: 1451
Joined: Feb 04, 2017
Location: London UK
Contact:

#129

Post by flaiky » April 25th, 2019, 10:22 am

Jimi Antiloop wrote:
April 25th, 2019, 9:32 am
Wouldn't show this to kids. There is a bit too much subliminal programming in it. For example: She is very sad at one point and what is the solution to make her happy again? SHOPPING! :facepalm:
I've seen Inside Out three times, most recently last summer, and I don't remember that? Are you sure?

The ultimate message of the film is that she needs to express her sadness in order to get the love and help she needs to feel happiness. In other words, it's okay to be sad. That's a sophisticated and important lesson for everyone, of any age.
Let the ashes fly
ICM | Letterboxd | All-time stats

blocho
Donator
Posts: 2225
Joined: Jul 20, 2014
Contact:

#130

Post by blocho » April 25th, 2019, 3:24 pm

Jimi Antiloop wrote:
April 25th, 2019, 9:32 am
I would like to see a Richard Linklater version of this idea, it wouldn't be as flat as this gets at some points.
I would like to see a Werner Herzog version of this idea. Also a Michael Bay version and an Alejandro Jodorowsky version.

User avatar
albajos
Posts: 6299
Joined: May 24, 2016
Location: Norway
Contact:

#131

Post by albajos » April 25th, 2019, 4:29 pm

Linklater version would just be.

Sad? Smoke some weed.

User avatar
Mysterious Dude
Posts: 176
Joined: Mar 19, 2018
Contact:

#132

Post by Mysterious Dude » April 25th, 2019, 5:41 pm

In Linklater's version, Riley's emotions sit around in sunny apartment rooms talking about evolution and free will. Nothing is accomplished.

mathiasa
Posts: 2328
Joined: Aug 18, 2013
Contact:

#133

Post by mathiasa » April 27th, 2019, 8:57 pm

I have to say I did a piss poor job compiling a list for this. Forgot quite a bunch of movies. But then, it's really not so easy to actually recommend something to children, I tried it several times but naturally, they are interested in things different from what I'd like to watch them. As joachimt pointed out, kids know very well what they want and don't want. And it's probably good way to let them discover the world of movies on their own, I think Maria Montessori would have approved of that. Nevertheless, I hope we repeat this poll at one time, if only I can submit a less shitty list. A similar poll might also be interesting: Our favorite movies as kids.

I'm surprised that no Stanley & Laurel stuff made it. I once read that kids still crack up laughing watching this stuff (unlike Chaplin and Keaton, which have a more adult audience).

---

Is there a full list of the poll somewhere?

mjf314
Moderator
Posts: 10839
Joined: May 08, 2011
Contact:

#134

Post by mjf314 » April 28th, 2019, 9:53 am

When I try to add the full list of nominations to iCM, I get an error message:
You have specified movies that have not yet been added to iCheckMovies. The missing movies have automatically been added to the movie import queue. You will automatically receive a notificaton when the movies have been imported, if you have specified so in your notification settings.
It seems to be a bug, because the movies haven't been added to the queue.

User avatar
sol
Donator
Posts: 6920
Joined: Feb 03, 2017
Location: Perth, WA, Australia
Contact:

#135

Post by sol » April 28th, 2019, 10:41 am

mathiasa wrote:
April 27th, 2019, 8:57 pm
I'm surprised that no Stanley & Laurel stuff made it. I once read that kids still crack up laughing watching this stuff (unlike Chaplin and Keaton, which have a more adult audience).
Don't look at me. I nominated both Block-Heads and Our Relations. The biggest glaring omission for me is Jerry Lewis. I know for a fact that his over-the-top antics appeal a lot to (younger) kids, having shown a bunch of his films, but in particular Rock-a-bye Baby and The Ladies' Man to various classes over the years. It wouldn't have hurt to have some Tati on the list either.

Regarding Chaplin and Keaton, they actually get quite a few laughs with kids these days. Keaton in particular because his brand of comedy is both very physical and often centered around his stone-faced reactions. Maybe I shouldn't speak too much for Chaplin because I have shown far less of his work, but City Lights was definitely a hit when I showed it to an upper primary class a few years ago.
Former IMDb message boards user /// iCM | IMDb | My Top 500+ Favourite Films /// Long live the new flesh!
Image Image Image

Nathan Treadway
Donator
Posts: 3931
Joined: Jun 26, 2015
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
Contact:

#136

Post by Nathan Treadway » April 28th, 2019, 11:30 am

mjf314 wrote:
April 28th, 2019, 9:53 am
When I try to add the full list of nominations to iCM, I get an error message:
You have specified movies that have not yet been added to iCheckMovies. The missing movies have automatically been added to the movie import queue. You will automatically receive a notificaton when the movies have been imported, if you have specified so in your notification settings.
It seems to be a bug, because the movies haven't been added to the queue.
Do you have the full list on IMDb yet? If so, I can help you try to figure it out, if you want.

mjf314
Moderator
Posts: 10839
Joined: May 08, 2011
Contact:

#137

Post by mjf314 » April 28th, 2019, 2:11 pm

No, but I just uploaded the spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y1d9f3 ... sp=sharing

Nathan Treadway
Donator
Posts: 3931
Joined: Jun 26, 2015
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
Contact:

#138

Post by Nathan Treadway » April 28th, 2019, 8:30 pm

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0396719/

That's the culprit. I'm not able to get to beta website to add it.

Got it to add to Icm. https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/mal ... 13265921n/

User avatar
Mysterious Dude
Posts: 176
Joined: Mar 19, 2018
Contact:

#139

Post by Mysterious Dude » April 28th, 2019, 11:59 pm

Nathan Treadway wrote:
April 28th, 2019, 8:30 pm
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0396719/

That's the culprit. I'm not able to get to beta website to add it.

Got it to add to Icm. https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/mal ... 13265921n/
Sorry about that. :whistling:

User avatar
Lonewolf2003
Donator
Posts: 7990
Joined: Dec 29, 2012
Contact:

#140

Post by Lonewolf2003 » April 29th, 2019, 9:45 am

mjf314 wrote:
April 28th, 2019, 9:53 am
When I try to add the full list of nominations to iCM, I get an error message:
You have specified movies that have not yet been added to iCheckMovies. The missing movies have automatically been added to the movie import queue. You will automatically receive a notificaton when the movies have been imported, if you have specified so in your notification settings.
It seems to be a bug, because the movies haven't been added to the queue.
Yes, that's always a hassle when making list for these polls. Easiest for now is to use the import function in the beta and just upload everything. It will filter out what's already on iCM en upload what's not.

User avatar
3eyes
Donator
Posts: 6871
Joined: May 17, 2011
Location: Philadelphia
Contact:

#141

Post by 3eyes » April 29th, 2019, 1:56 pm

What import function on beta? Is there a way I can put my IMDb lists on ICM without having to copy each and every title number?
:run: STILL the Gaffer!

User avatar
nimimerkillinen
Posts: 2134
Joined: Dec 30, 2011
Location: Vantaa, Finland
Contact:

#142

Post by nimimerkillinen » April 30th, 2019, 6:31 am

i would like to see for example Michale Haneke or Bruno Dumont directing Inside Out

User avatar
Jimi Antiloop
Posts: 521
Joined: Sep 04, 2016
Location: Germany
Contact:

#143

Post by Jimi Antiloop » May 1st, 2019, 11:25 pm

flaiky wrote:
April 25th, 2019, 10:22 am
Jimi Antiloop wrote:
April 25th, 2019, 9:32 am
Wouldn't show this to kids. There is a bit too much subliminal programming in it. For example: She is very sad at one point and what is the solution to make her happy again? SHOPPING! :facepalm:
I've seen Inside Out three times, most recently last summer, and I don't remember that? Are you sure?

The ultimate message of the film is that she needs to express her sadness in order to get the love and help she needs to feel happiness. In other words, it's okay to be sad. That's a sophisticated and important lesson for everyone, of any age.
Actually I am sure, the movie all the time tries to say, get rid of your sadness. (beside it would try to analyze where this feeling really comes from:) Nobody talks about sadness as a productive feeling, for positiv fundamental changes. It is because it's a happy trigger movie.
:ICM: :letbxd: :Crtiticker: Reality Checks on :imdb:

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.”― Philip K. Dick

User avatar
Fergenaprido
Donator
Posts: 3352
Joined: Jun 03, 2014
Location: Malaysia
Contact:

#144

Post by Fergenaprido » May 2nd, 2019, 7:44 am

Jimi Antiloop wrote:
May 1st, 2019, 11:25 pm
flaiky wrote:
April 25th, 2019, 10:22 am
Jimi Antiloop wrote:
April 25th, 2019, 9:32 am
Wouldn't show this to kids. There is a bit too much subliminal programming in it. For example: She is very sad at one point and what is the solution to make her happy again? SHOPPING! :facepalm:
I've seen Inside Out three times, most recently last summer, and I don't remember that? Are you sure?

The ultimate message of the film is that she needs to express her sadness in order to get the love and help she needs to feel happiness. In other words, it's okay to be sad. That's a sophisticated and important lesson for everyone, of any age.
Actually I am sure, the movie all the time tries to say, get rid of your sadness. (beside it would try to analyze where this feeling really comes from:) Nobody talks about sadness as a productive feeling, for positiv fundamental changes. It is because it's a happy trigger movie.
I think you might have missed the point of the movie. The whole thing was to get Joy to realize that she NEEDED Sadness, and that Sadness was the key to "fixing" everything that was going wrong.

User avatar
Jimi Antiloop
Posts: 521
Joined: Sep 04, 2016
Location: Germany
Contact:

#145

Post by Jimi Antiloop » May 2nd, 2019, 10:04 am

Not like Sadness and Joy was acting torwards each other. She may have stated "I nee you" (even that I doubt), but how the characters act like, where a different pair of shoes.
:ICM: :letbxd: :Crtiticker: Reality Checks on :imdb:

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.”― Philip K. Dick

User avatar
flaiky
Posts: 1451
Joined: Feb 04, 2017
Location: London UK
Contact:

#146

Post by flaiky » May 2nd, 2019, 11:00 am

Jimi Antiloop wrote:
May 2nd, 2019, 10:04 am
Not like Sadness and Joy was acting torwards each other. She may have stated "I nee you" (even that I doubt), but how the characters act like, where a different pair of shoes.
You've either forgotten or completely ignored the ending of the film. From Wikipedia:
SpoilerShow
At the bottom of the abyss, Joy begins to lose hope and breaks into tears, but then discovers a sad memory of an ice hockey game that turned happy when Riley's parents and friends comforted her. Joy finally understands Sadness's purpose: to induce empathy in others, prompting them to reach out to Riley when she is emotionally overwhelmed and needs help. Therefore by preventing Riley from feeling sad, Joy was also keeping her from feeling true happiness. Joy and Bing Bong try to use the wagon rocket to escape the Memory Dump. After two failed attempts, Bing Bong, who is already fading away, jumps out to allow Joy to escape and is forgotten.

Joy reunites with a despondent Sadness and takes them to Headquarters, only to discover that Anger's idea has disabled the console, rendering Riley apathetic. To the surprise of the others, Joy hands control of the console to Sadness, who is able to extract the idea, reactivating the console and prompting Riley to return home. As Sadness re-installs the core memories, turning them sad, Riley arrives home to her parents and tearfully confesses that she misses Minnesota and her old life. Her parents comfort her and admit they, too, miss Minnesota as much as she does. Joy and Sadness work the console together, creating a new amalgamated bittersweet core memory in Riley's Headquarters; a new island forms, representing Riley's acceptance of her new life in San Francisco.

A year later at the age of 12, Riley has adapted to her new home, made new friends, and returned to her old hobbies while adopting a few new ones. Inside the Headquarters, her emotions all work together on a newly expanded console with room for them all.
The film is a rather brilliant depiction/representation of human psychology, specifically depression. Losing control of your emotions, sadness 'touching' happy memories, elements of your personality getting cut off until they die, happiness and sadness both leaving to the point that you can no longer feel anything: these are all very real human experiences. If there's a reason I wouldn't show this to kids it's because it is actually too advanced for them to fully appreciate (!) but there are clearly important issues that can start to be addressed. I've heard of the film being used by child psychologists, as a prompt for children to start discussing their emotions. That's wonderful.
Let the ashes fly
ICM | Letterboxd | All-time stats

User avatar
Fergenaprido
Donator
Posts: 3352
Joined: Jun 03, 2014
Location: Malaysia
Contact:

#147

Post by Fergenaprido » May 2nd, 2019, 2:25 pm

flaiky wrote:
May 2nd, 2019, 11:00 am
Jimi Antiloop wrote:
May 2nd, 2019, 10:04 am
Not like Sadness and Joy was acting torwards each other. She may have stated "I nee you" (even that I doubt), but how the characters act like, where a different pair of shoes.
You've either forgotten or completely ignored the ending of the film. From Wikipedia:
SpoilerShow
At the bottom of the abyss, Joy begins to lose hope and breaks into tears, but then discovers a sad memory of an ice hockey game that turned happy when Riley's parents and friends comforted her. Joy finally understands Sadness's purpose: to induce empathy in others, prompting them to reach out to Riley when she is emotionally overwhelmed and needs help. Therefore by preventing Riley from feeling sad, Joy was also keeping her from feeling true happiness. Joy and Bing Bong try to use the wagon rocket to escape the Memory Dump. After two failed attempts, Bing Bong, who is already fading away, jumps out to allow Joy to escape and is forgotten.

Joy reunites with a despondent Sadness and takes them to Headquarters, only to discover that Anger's idea has disabled the console, rendering Riley apathetic. To the surprise of the others, Joy hands control of the console to Sadness, who is able to extract the idea, reactivating the console and prompting Riley to return home. As Sadness re-installs the core memories, turning them sad, Riley arrives home to her parents and tearfully confesses that she misses Minnesota and her old life. Her parents comfort her and admit they, too, miss Minnesota as much as she does. Joy and Sadness work the console together, creating a new amalgamated bittersweet core memory in Riley's Headquarters; a new island forms, representing Riley's acceptance of her new life in San Francisco.

A year later at the age of 12, Riley has adapted to her new home, made new friends, and returned to her old hobbies while adopting a few new ones. Inside the Headquarters, her emotions all work together on a newly expanded console with room for them all.
The film is a rather brilliant depiction/representation of human psychology, specifically depression. Losing control of your emotions, sadness 'touching' happy memories, elements of your personality getting cut off until they die, happiness and sadness both leaving to the point that you can no longer feel anything: these are all very real human experiences. If there's a reason I wouldn't show this to kids it's because it is actually too advanced for them to fully appreciate (!) but there are clearly important issues that can start to be addressed. I've heard of the film being used by child psychologists, as a prompt for children to start discussing their emotions. That's wonderful.
This. :poshclap: Better said than I could.

I included it in my list, but in the "ages 9/10+" grouping. Agreed that it is too advanced for some of the younger ones to fully appreciate (though they'll likely enjoy a large chunk of it without understanding it).

I'm curious, Jimi, if maybe you saw this as a dub in a different language? I wonder if some of the common themes that flaiky and I see are evident in the English-language version, but perhaps were modified as the film was adapted for other languages?

I've looked for the script for the film, and found this one: http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/insi ... enplay.pdf
(I also just remembered I have a copy of Inside Out, so let me doublecheck that the script is the right one, sometimes they only post draft versions)

... musical interlude...

Okay, yep, checked a few spots, and it lines up exactly, so I'm guessing it's the full and correct script.

In that, I can't find any reference to shopping, buying things, etc.

And you're right, Joy never explicitly says "I need you" to Sadness.

But she does state "Riley needs you".
INT. HEADQUARTERS

DISGUST
Joy, you’ve got to fix this. Get up there.

JOY
Sadness, it’s up to you.

SADNESS
Me?
Joy pushes Sadness towards the console.

ANGER/FEAR/DISGUST
Sadness?!?

SADNESS
I can’t, Joy.

JOY
Yes you can. Riley needs you.

Sadness looks at Joy. Really? Joy nods.
(pp. 120-121 in the linked script)

So yes, during most of the film, Joy is indeed dismissive of Sadness and sees her as a nuisance and party pooper and doesn't really understand why she's there. But, by the end of it, she fully appreciates what Sadness brings and how she is a vital part of the emotional ecosystem in Headquarters.

Side note: I really like this movie, but I want it to stew for a bit longer before I revisit it (probably another year or two). In my mind, it's a better film than Coco, and yet I rated Coco higher after watching it.

User avatar
PeacefulAnarchy
Moderator
Posts: 23431
Joined: May 08, 2011
Contact:

#148

Post by PeacefulAnarchy » May 2nd, 2019, 4:17 pm

Inside Out can't decide if it's about the emotions or the person having them. In the end it purports to say something about the person having them but throught the film it cares very little about that person and the whole thing falls apart. Clearly people experience depression differently because as above I've seen plenty of people praise it's depiction but there are also a number who, like me, found its depiction naive, simplistic and borderline offensive. The two parts of the movie are well done and effective, but they mesh together really badly.

User avatar
flaiky
Posts: 1451
Joined: Feb 04, 2017
Location: London UK
Contact:

#149

Post by flaiky » May 2nd, 2019, 7:45 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
May 2nd, 2019, 4:17 pm
Inside Out can't decide if it's about the emotions or the person having them. In the end it purports to say something about the person having them but throught the film it cares very little about that person and the whole thing falls apart.
This was the only thing that bothered me on my first viewing: Riley's arc being controlled by what happens with the emotion characters somewhat took away from the impact of seeing her fall apart. But on rewatch it didn't bother me at all - it clicked perfectly by viewing everything as a metaphor, e.g. it's true that in the plot Riley is only miserable because Joy gets shut out of the control room, but that's basically exactly what depression feels like. Riley only decides to go back to her parents because Sadness takes control, making her seem like a bit of a robot being controlled externally, but it's symbolic of the real forces that drive us (and also symbolic of depersonalisation, when depression is at its worst) so it's still about her authentic experience. I can see how the concept could be emotionally alienating but to be honest, even just the feeling of "YES, they get it, THAT'S how depression works" is deeply moving for me.

Besides, for any film (especially a family film) to even attempt to deal with psychology in such an ambitious and creative way is amazing (we're not even getting into the fun stuff, like deja vu and abstract thought and dreams and hidden memories). I feel like it deserves huge credit whether it all clicks together perfectly or not.
Let the ashes fly
ICM | Letterboxd | All-time stats

User avatar
mightysparks
Site Admin
Posts: 29793
Joined: May 05, 2011
Location: Perth, WA, Australia
Contact:

#150

Post by mightysparks » May 2nd, 2019, 9:35 pm

Yea I felt similarly towards Inside Out like Jimi and Peaceful, I found it offensive and silly.
"I do not always know what I want, but I do know what I don't want." - Stanley Kubrick

iCM | IMDb | LastFM | TSZDT

Image

User avatar
Teproc
Posts: 322
Joined: Sep 23, 2015
Contact:

#151

Post by Teproc » May 2nd, 2019, 11:29 pm

I liked Inside Out but I think it belongs to that category of Pixar premises that really gets bad very quickly if you think about them at all. Their films work on an emotional level (and as entertainment of course), but not intellectually, as a rule (WALL-E being the exception).

User avatar
albajos
Posts: 6299
Joined: May 24, 2016
Location: Norway
Contact:

#152

Post by albajos » May 3rd, 2019, 5:04 am

Well, they have some great emotional scenes

The beginning of Up
The ending of Coco
The ending of Inside Out
The furnace in Toy Story 3

But it they underestimate the children and bring them on an entertainment ride instead.

A movie I would rather recommend is Bröderna Lejonhjärta which is basically Jacob's Ladder for children. (maybe I should DtC nominate it)

User avatar
Jimi Antiloop
Posts: 521
Joined: Sep 04, 2016
Location: Germany
Contact:

#153

Post by Jimi Antiloop » May 9th, 2019, 4:40 pm

Fergenaprido wrote:
May 2nd, 2019, 2:25 pm

I'm curious, Jimi, if maybe you saw this as a dub in a different language? I wonder if some of the common themes that flaiky and I see are evident in the English-language version, but perhaps were modified as the film was adapted for other languages?

I've looked for the script for the film, and found this one: http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/insi ... enplay.pdf
(I also just remembered I have a copy of Inside Out, so let me doublecheck that the script is the right one, sometimes they only post draft versions)

... musical interlude...

Okay, yep, checked a few spots, and it lines up exactly, so I'm guessing it's the full and correct script.

In that, I can't find any reference to shopping, buying things, etc.

And you're right, Joy never explicitly says "I need you" to Sadness.

But she does state "Riley needs you".
INT. HEADQUARTERS

DISGUST
Joy, you’ve got to fix this. Get up there.

JOY
Sadness, it’s up to you.

SADNESS
Me?
Joy pushes Sadness towards the console.

ANGER/FEAR/DISGUST
Sadness?!?

SADNESS
I can’t, Joy.

JOY
Yes you can. Riley needs you.

Sadness looks at Joy. Really? Joy nods.
(pp. 120-121 in the linked script)

So yes, during most of the film, Joy is indeed dismissive of Sadness and sees her as a nuisance and party pooper and doesn't really understand why she's there. But, by the end of it, she fully appreciates what Sadness brings and how she is a vital part of the emotional ecosystem in Headquarters.
I watched in the german dubbed version. Maybe I will rewatch i, to name you the part, where the uncritical consumerism is brought in, to fix her problems.
Just this tsaying "Riley needs you" is a very small statement against all the space Joy takes in this film. I never saw the maker really carefully scripting about the true importance and credible personality ot the sad state of mind and all positive affects, it can bring to personal developments. The film at least also never tells something about the parents who are not really caring about her.
Last edited by Jimi Antiloop on August 5th, 2019, 10:33 pm, edited 2 times in total.
:ICM: :letbxd: :Crtiticker: Reality Checks on :imdb:

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.”― Philip K. Dick

User avatar
Jimi Antiloop
Posts: 521
Joined: Sep 04, 2016
Location: Germany
Contact:

#154

Post by Jimi Antiloop » May 9th, 2019, 4:41 pm

Teproc wrote:
May 2nd, 2019, 11:29 pm
I liked Inside Out but I think it belongs to that category of Pixar premises that really gets bad very quickly if you think about them at all. Their films work on an emotional level (and as entertainment of course), but not intellectually, as a rule (WALL-E being the exception).
:thumbsup:
:ICM: :letbxd: :Crtiticker: Reality Checks on :imdb:

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.”― Philip K. Dick

User avatar
joachimt
Donator
Posts: 29881
Joined: Feb 16, 2012
Location: Netherlands
Contact:

#155

Post by joachimt » July 12th, 2019, 5:11 pm

I know it's not on this list, because it's a TV series, but:
I just watched the first two episodes of Mr. Bean with my youngest daughter (6yo) and she had a lot of fun with it. Essential viewing for kids, if you ask me.
ICM-profile
Fergenaprido: "I find your OCD to be adorable, J"

User avatar
GruesomeTwosome
Donator
Posts: 2785
Joined: Feb 03, 2017
Location: Industrial Wasteland, USA
Contact:

#156

Post by GruesomeTwosome » July 12th, 2019, 5:22 pm

Yeah I was a huge Mr. Bean fan as a kid, great stuff for the young ‘uns, I agree.
I’m to remember every man I've seen fall into a plate of spaghetti???

My IMDB profile
ICM
Letterboxd

User avatar
albajos
Posts: 6299
Joined: May 24, 2016
Location: Norway
Contact:

#157

Post by albajos » July 12th, 2019, 5:57 pm

I would call them TV-specials. 14 over 6 years.

But that kind of programming is normal in Britain.

User avatar
Eve-Lang-El-Coup
Posts: 427
Joined: Feb 03, 2017
Location: Aussieland
Contact:

#158

Post by Eve-Lang-El-Coup » July 26th, 2019, 10:52 am

joachimt wrote:
July 12th, 2019, 5:11 pm
I know it's not on this list, because it's a TV series, but:
I just watched the first two episodes of Mr. Bean with my youngest daughter (6yo) and she had a lot of fun with it. Essential viewing for kids, if you ask me.
Yeah, kids love Mr. Bean, the movies included!

User avatar
mightysparks
Site Admin
Posts: 29793
Joined: May 05, 2011
Location: Perth, WA, Australia
Contact:

#159

Post by mightysparks » July 26th, 2019, 10:59 am

I hated Mr Bean when I was showed it as a kid :whistling: tehe
"I do not always know what I want, but I do know what I don't want." - Stanley Kubrick

iCM | IMDb | LastFM | TSZDT

Image

User avatar
Eve-Lang-El-Coup
Posts: 427
Joined: Feb 03, 2017
Location: Aussieland
Contact:

#160

Post by Eve-Lang-El-Coup » July 26th, 2019, 11:24 am

mightysparks wrote:
July 26th, 2019, 10:59 am
I hated Mr Bean when I was showed it as a kid :whistling: tehe
Not enough violence?

Post Reply