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World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 7th, 2019, 8:12 pm
by joachimt
This is match Semi Final B of the third season of iCM Forum's Film World Cup.

CountryOriginal TitleEnglish TitleYearManagerIMDBICM
EnglandPool of London1951funkybusinesslinklink
JapanChiyari FujiA Bloody Spear on Mount Fuji1955montylinklink

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Pool of London
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Chiyari Fuji
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Voting Rules:
- You must watch both films before you vote.
- To vote, post which of the two movies is your favorite. (note: you're ranking the individual films, not the countries)

Voting deadline = Mar 21st
Countdown till deadline

The country that ends at 1st place proceeds to the next round. The ranking of the match will be decided using these rules:
- Movie with most votes wins.
- In case of a tie the match will have a 3 day extension.
Here's a quick summary of how the tournament worksShow
We start with 48 films from 48 countries. Each country has a manager who determines which movie will be watched. In the first round the countries are divided into 12 groups of 4. From each group the countries that end up at #1 and #2 proceed to the next round. In the 2nd round the 24 remaining countries will be divided into 8 groups of 3. The managers pick a new movie. The winner of each group proceeds to the next round. The final 8 countries compete one-on-one in the quarter finals (with a new movie of course) and so on till the final.
iCM-list of all movies in this World Cup

List of all topics related to the World Cup including previous seasons

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 7th, 2019, 8:21 pm
by beavis
1. A Bloody Spear on Mount Fuji - 7,5
2. Pool of London - 7

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 7th, 2019, 8:37 pm
by zuma
01 - Pool of London

02 - A Bloody Spear on Mount Fuji

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 7th, 2019, 8:40 pm
by Armoreska
Whoever wins, the final against USA sounds epic.

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 7th, 2019, 11:14 pm
by pitchorneirda
1. Chiyari Fuji (Japan) - 6/10
2. Pool of London (England) - 4/10

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 8th, 2019, 8:21 pm
by Cocoa
1. Chiyari Fuji 5/10
2. Pool of London 5/10

Chiyari Fuji is the only new watch for me during the WC semi-finals. I was close to giving Chiyari Fuji a better rating, but sadly the film felt too uneven for me with some interesting moments and other parts falling flat. I've only seen four Basil Dearden directed films and Pool of London is the one I rated lowest out of the four.

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 9th, 2019, 9:27 am
by Angel Glez
1. Pool of London
2. Chiyari Fuji

Good choices.

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 9th, 2019, 10:06 am
by joachimt
1. Pool of London 8/10
2. Chiyari Fuji 7/10

The last 30 minutes of Pool of London were top-notch. Otherwise I would have voted for Japan.

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 9th, 2019, 8:31 pm
by Smoover
1. A Bloody Spear on Mount Fuji - 7.0
2. Pool of London - 6.5

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 9th, 2019, 9:56 pm
by Armoreska
Japan 4-3 England

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 10th, 2019, 8:31 pm
by 72allinncallme
01 - Pool of London
02 - A Bloody Spear on Mount Fuji

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 10th, 2019, 8:32 pm
by clemmetarey
1. Chiyari Fuji (1955) 5/10
2. Pool of London (1951) 5/10

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 10th, 2019, 10:36 pm
by Nathan Treadway
1. Pool of London
2. Chiyari Fuji

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 10th, 2019, 11:50 pm
by jvv
1. Pool of London - 7/10
2. Chiyari Fuji - 7/10

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 11th, 2019, 8:56 am
by joachimt
This goes back and forth the whole time. Not even three of the same votes in a row so far.

Image Pool of London: 6
Image Chiyari Fuji: 5

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 11th, 2019, 1:02 pm
by edward5
1. 血槍富士 Chiyari Fuji. 8/10
2. Pool of London. 7/10

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 13th, 2019, 4:37 pm
by Mario Gaborović
1. Pool of London
2. Chiyari Fuji

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 13th, 2019, 5:13 pm
by Lonewolf2003
A very tough call for me, I like them both about equally.

1. Pool of London (1951): 8.0 - This mixes some classic genres; romance, heist and suspense, very well, while also giving a sharp character-study, combining it with a realistic ambiance by setting it in the London harbor district.In the end it wins because of the bonus points for dealing so well with racial prejudices in a 50s British movie.
2. Chiyari Fuji [A Bloody Spear on Mount Fuji] (1955): 8.0 - Like many I suspected a more action heavy samurai movie based on the intriguing title. But I got a good movie that shifts very well from the comedic tones at the start to more dramatic tone at the end with social class commentary mixed in.

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 13th, 2019, 6:00 pm
by joachimt
Image Pool of London: 8
Image Chiyari Fuji: 6

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 14th, 2019, 12:11 am
by klaus78
1. Chiyari Fuji (Japan) 8/10
2. Pool of London (England) 7/10

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 14th, 2019, 8:35 pm
by burneyfan
1. Chiyari Fuji (Japan)
2. Pool of London (England)

Pool of London was great, but Chiyari Fuji was already a favorite and held its status on my third rewatch. Both great films -- thanks!

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 17th, 2019, 5:59 am
by blocho
I enjoyed both, loved neither, and found it very difficult to choose between the two. If I rewatched both tomorrow, I might have a different order.

1. Pool of London
2. Chiyari Fuji

There were fascinating similarities between the two, such as a focus on the lower classes and criticism of social boundaries. As an aside, does someone with a more thorough knowledge of Japanese movies than me know how common it was for jidaigeki movies to criticize the samurai system? Besides Bloody Spear, I can easily think of something like Harakiri, but I feel like movies with that sort of commentary were pretty rare.

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 17th, 2019, 8:29 am
by TajSamKojiJesam
Directors like Satsuo Yamamoto and Tadashi Imai were also known for "socially conscious" samurai movies. There were other cases too.

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 17th, 2019, 9:12 am
by monty
Well, the anti-feudal drama is after all one of the major subgenres of post-WW2 jidaigeki. I suggest you check out films like Fuefukigawa (1960), Bakumatsu zankoku monogatari (1964), Sword of the Beast (1965) and Samurai Rebellion (1967).

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 17th, 2019, 9:51 am
by Armoreska
monty wrote:
Yesterday, 9:12 am
Well, the anti-feudal drama is after all one of the major subgenres of post-WW2 jidaigeki. I suggest you check out films like Fuefukigawa (1960), Bakumatsu zankoku monogatari (1964), Sword of the Beast (1965) and Samurai Rebellion (1967).
How do people come up with all these thematic titles? Do you have a list for everything?

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 17th, 2019, 11:38 am
by hurluberlu
1. Pool of London 7
2. Chiyari Fuji 7-

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 17th, 2019, 6:07 pm
by metaller
A close round for me, with two high quality films.

1. Pool of London
2. Chiyari Fuji

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 17th, 2019, 8:04 pm
by joachimt
First time that a movie got three votes in a row.

Image Pool of London: 11
Image Chiyari Fuji: 8

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 17th, 2019, 9:03 pm
by cayado-coro
1.Chiyari Fuji (Japan)
2.Pool of London (England)

Chiyari Fuji is, along with Yôtô monogatari: hana no Yoshiwara hyakunin-giri, Uchida's best. An almost unbeatable contender.

Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st)

Posted: March 17th, 2019, 11:34 pm
by Mate_cosido
1. Chiyari Fuji
2. Pool of London

I loved Pool of London, but it couldn't beat one of my all time favourites