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Post by Apu » May 8th, 2019, 8:06 pm

Curious...but now that TSPDT have a submitted list of films ranked #1001-2000, isn't this list rather superfluous/outdated? Why the need to "doubling the canon" when TSPDT already have doubled their canon themselves (and why isn't TSPDT #1001-2000 an official list already)?

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Post by ChrisReynolds » May 8th, 2019, 8:52 pm

Apu wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 8:06 pm
Curious...but now that TSPDT have a submitted list of films ranked #1001-2000, isn't this list rather superfluous/outdated? Why the need to "doubling the canon" when TSPDT already have doubled their canon themselves (and why isn't TSPDT #1001-2000 an official list already)?
Hopefully TSPDT #1001-2000 will become official soon, but though they share 268 films they're constructed in very different ways. I believe that once TSPDT #1001-2000 becomes official, the plan is to make those films ineligible for the Doubling list as well (the name of the list will probably have to be changed to something like "Expanding the Canon").
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Post by mjf314 » May 8th, 2019, 9:24 pm

Apu wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 8:06 pm
Curious...but now that TSPDT have a submitted list of films ranked #1001-2000, isn't this list rather superfluous/outdated? Why the need to "doubling the canon" when TSPDT already have doubled their canon themselves (and why isn't TSPDT #1001-2000 an official list already)?
Because it's better to have two different perspectives from two different groups of people. If you rely on just 1 list, the list is more likely to be missing great films.

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Post by frbrown » May 8th, 2019, 9:49 pm

beavis wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 3:33 pm
are there any long time succesfull failures that are favorites of yours?

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Post by nimimerkillinen » May 9th, 2019, 4:22 am

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Wow! Dealer made it!

Dealer (2004) 4,91-12

I think this is the first time a nomination of mines makes it. I've loved this film for a while and not many people have seen it. I'm glad it'll get a bit more exposure now.
saw it when it came out and love it :wub: cant remember much from it anymore tho

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Post by Ebbywebby » May 9th, 2019, 5:52 am

Not only did Dealer make it, but it was even the highest ranked unofficial check to get added.

(I haven't seen it.)

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Post by russa03 » May 9th, 2019, 9:11 am

Ebbywebby wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 4:59 am
Fergenaprido wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 4:28 am
Ebbywebby wrote:
May 6th, 2019, 10:24 pm
Oh, and it appears that some gay porn (LA Plays Itself) is now official, to balance the past demotion of El Paso Wrecking Corp.? Hrm.
Seems you're right. I haven't seen either, but I thought it was the 2003 doc that was nominated, didn't realize they had slightly different titles (LA Plays Itself vs Los Angeles Plays Itself) and ignored the years. I suspect it's the experimental aspect that people voted for as opposed to the porn aspect... the experimental mafia was strong this year and seemingly well-coordinated :D
I wonder how many of the film's 11 voters had the very same confusion. I mean, this film was rated *4.30*. Anyone want to confess?
I thought it was Thom Andersen's essay film. Don't know how i managed to miss the release date. Well, it's just a list.

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Post by Angel Glez » May 9th, 2019, 10:25 am

Just missing the cut (#1202-#1234):

The Heiress (1949) 3,91-43
Conte d'hiver [A Tale of Winter] (1992) 3,91-32
Baby Face (1933) 3,91-32
Menq [We] (1969) 3,91-32
Es geschah am hellichten Tag [It Happened in Broad Daylight] (1958) 3,90-21
The Sniper (1952) 3,90-21
Die 1000 Augen des Dr. Mabuse (The 1,000 Eyes of Dr. Mabuse) 3,90-21
Symbiopsychotaxiplasm: Take One 3,90-21
Ekstase [Ecstasy] (1933) 3,90-31
Ilektra [Electra] (1962) 3,90-31
Rapsodia satanica [Satan's Rhapsody] (1917) 3,90-31
Mona Lisa (1986) 3,90-31
Yoyo (1965) 3,90-41
Prince of the City (1981) 3,90-30
Few of Us (1996) 3,90-20
The Suspect (1944) 3,90-20
Flatlife (2004) 3,90-20
Uski Roti (Our Daily Bread) 3,90-20
N.Y., N.Y. 3,90-20
Susana 3,90-20
Nazi Concentration Camps (1945) 3,90-10
O Megalexandros [Alexander the Great] (1980) 3,90-10
One Day in September (1999) 3,90-10
River of Grass (1994) 3,90-10
The Purple Plain (1954) 3,90-10
Keby som mal pusku [If I Had a Gun] (1971) 3,90-10
César (1936) 3,90-10
Memory for Max, Claire, Ida and Company (2005) 3,90-10
Tea and Sympathy (1956) 3,90-10
You Are Not I 3,90-10
Ludwig - Requiem für einen jungfräulichen König (Ludwig - Requiem for a Virgin King) 3,90-10
Teen Kanya (Two Daughters) 3,90-10
Sunday Bloody Sunday (1971) 3,90-29

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Post by zuma » May 9th, 2019, 11:59 am

Now that is a nice list

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Post by St. Gloede » May 9th, 2019, 1:11 pm

It is! Time to try Double the Canon!

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Post by Jimi Antiloop » May 9th, 2019, 3:32 pm

Ebbywebby wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 4:59 am
Fergenaprido wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 4:28 am
Ebbywebby wrote:
May 6th, 2019, 10:24 pm
Oh, and it appears that some gay porn (LA Plays Itself) is now official, to balance the past demotion of El Paso Wrecking Corp.? Hrm.
Seems you're right. I haven't seen either, but I thought it was the 2003 doc that was nominated, didn't realize they had slightly different titles (LA Plays Itself vs Los Angeles Plays Itself) and ignored the years. I suspect it's the experimental aspect that people voted for as opposed to the porn aspect... the experimental mafia was strong this year and seemingly well-coordinated :D
I wonder how many of the film's 11 voters had the very same confusion. I mean, this film was rated *4.30*. Anyone want to confess?
Ääääh. Yeah I mixed it up!
But putting "LA Plays itself" into google, brings up "Los Angeles plays itself" in the first position.
The movie that was nominated actually is called "L.A. Plays Itself" - So there is a slightly but important difference of two dots.
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Post by Jimi Antiloop » May 9th, 2019, 3:35 pm

Perception de Ambiguity wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 10:06 am
Jimi Antiloop wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 12:46 am

I believe one holdovers from my lasts year nomminations made it
Possible Worlds (2000) 4,10-11 (or did anybody else nomminate it this year?)
That is so far the first of my nominations ever, that was able to enter the list. (l)

'Possible Worlds' was my nom this year, actually, and never had been nominated before, at least not since 2014. Sorry 'bout that. But more importantly, I don't see the film appearing anywhere on the list, neither the IMDb nor the iCM one. ANGEL!!! :angry:

I can thank you for '21 X New York' and 'Scream of the Ants', though, both films I watched because they were nominated, and they became big personal favorites. 'The Sea That Thinks' I also appreciated a lot but that one already goes back to the 1>500<400 Challenge.
Yeah, cool then. Thanks for nominating, PA!!!
Also, nice to see somebody beeing inspired of two of my nominees. :)
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Post by Pretentious Hipster » May 9th, 2019, 5:48 pm

Just watched the first episode of The Prisoner. Very offbeat and very 60s. I loved it. However, I don't think it should be eligible. Just because something is only one season long doesn't mean that it's a miniseries. I honestly may give it a 0 when it gets revoted no matter what my opinion of it is as I don't think it should be allowed to be on there.

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Post by joachimt » May 9th, 2019, 6:00 pm

So at least two people wrongly voted for LA Plays Itself. <_<
This is exactly why everyone should partly automate the voting process. Export the nominationslist from either IMDb or iCM and you have a spreadsheet that tells you exactly which movies you saw and are allowed to vote for. Manually going down the list results in errors.
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » May 9th, 2019, 6:16 pm

joachimt wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 6:00 pm
So at least two people wrongly voted for LA Plays Itself. <_<
This is exactly why everyone should partly automate the voting process. Export the nominationslist from either IMDb or iCM and you have a spreadsheet that tells you exactly which movies you saw and are allowed to vote for. Manually going down the list results in errors.
The twist would be that they gave it a low score and it would be even higher without their vote.

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Post by Perception de Ambiguity » May 9th, 2019, 6:26 pm

beavis wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 3:33 pm
are there any long time succesfull failures that are favorites of yours? shout them out and I would give them a watch, if I haven't seen them already!
Well, 'S čerty nejsou žerty' (Give the Devil His Due) (1985) is a somewhat interesting case, which I might have nominated eons ago, but I'm not sure. At any case it was nominated (again?) by somebody else in 2016 and it has been clinging on bravely since then, but without any progress.

2016 - S certy nejsou zerty [Give the Devil His Due] (1985) 5.25-4
2017 - S certy nejsou zerty [Give the Devil His Due] (1985) 5.33-3
2018 - S certy nejsou zerty [Give the Devil His Due] (1985) 5.25-4
2019 - S certy nejsou zerty [Give the Devil His Due] (1985) 5.33-3

It's a Czech fairy-tale comedy type of film with a love-triangle and the devil himself in a major role having his hands in it...or something. I don't remember. Light but fun fare, I guess, so if that's your kind of thing, go for it, by all means. With this promo I probably just killed the film for DtC, but that's OK, I rather doubt that I myself would care for it as much nowadays as I did back when I saw it.
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Post by joachimt » May 9th, 2019, 6:35 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 6:16 pm
joachimt wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 6:00 pm
So at least two people wrongly voted for LA Plays Itself. <_<
This is exactly why everyone should partly automate the voting process. Export the nominationslist from either IMDb or iCM and you have a spreadsheet that tells you exactly which movies you saw and are allowed to vote for. Manually going down the list results in errors.
The twist would be that they gave it a low score and it would be even higher without their vote.
If two more people made this mistake, it wouldn't even have reached 8 votes.
(it had 11, right?)
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Post by beavis » May 9th, 2019, 6:50 pm

Perception de Ambiguity wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 6:26 pm

5.33-3
Light but fun fare
I do like a fun skazka every now and then, it has to be pretty damn good to score high on the Doubling scale for me though... this seems like a long way off
But i've bookmarked it...

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » May 9th, 2019, 6:53 pm

A lot of the reviews of LA Plays Itself on letterboxd are actually quite positive. The screenshots make it look more interesting than the average porno too. I'm looking forward to seeing it.

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Post by Ebbywebby » May 9th, 2019, 8:16 pm

It sounds more interesting to me than many of the other DTC films I haven't seen, but it's pretty clear by now that it was voted in by mistake. I doubt there were even eight voters who have seen it.

I see "tristanb" has already taken the plunge and watched it in recent days....I wonder what he thought of it.
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Post by weirdboy » May 9th, 2019, 8:17 pm

russa03 wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 9:11 am
Ebbywebby wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 4:59 am
Fergenaprido wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 4:28 am

Seems you're right. I haven't seen either, but I thought it was the 2003 doc that was nominated, didn't realize they had slightly different titles (LA Plays Itself vs Los Angeles Plays Itself) and ignored the years. I suspect it's the experimental aspect that people voted for as opposed to the porn aspect... the experimental mafia was strong this year and seemingly well-coordinated :D
I wonder how many of the film's 11 voters had the very same confusion. I mean, this film was rated *4.30*. Anyone want to confess?
I thought it was Thom Andersen's essay film. Don't know how i managed to miss the release date. Well, it's just a list.
The Thom Anderson movie is called Los Angeles Plays Itself. Easy to mistake, but once burned twice shy.

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Post by xianjiro » May 9th, 2019, 8:19 pm

weirdboy wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 8:17 pm
russa03 wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 9:11 am
Ebbywebby wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 4:59 am


I wonder how many of the film's 11 voters had the very same confusion. I mean, this film was rated *4.30*. Anyone want to confess?
I thought it was Thom Andersen's essay film. Don't know how i managed to miss the release date. Well, it's just a list.
The Thom Anderson movie is called Los Angeles Plays Itself. Easy to mistake, but once burned twice shy.
or maybe it was all part of the evil machinations of the nominator :woot:

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Post by Ebbywebby » May 9th, 2019, 8:21 pm

weirdboy wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 8:17 pm

The Thom Anderson movie is called Los Angeles Plays Itself. Easy to mistake, but once burned twice shy.
Except that anyone who sees the film should realize it couldn't have been released in 1972. :(

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Post by funkybusiness » May 9th, 2019, 9:11 pm

Ebbywebby wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 8:21 pm
weirdboy wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 8:17 pm

The Thom Anderson movie is called Los Angeles Plays Itself. Easy to mistake, but once burned twice shy.
Except that anyone who sees the film should realize it couldn't have been released in 1972. :(
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Post by Pretentious Hipster » May 9th, 2019, 10:02 pm

Well... I just favourited a porno. LA Plays Itself rules.
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I felt like it had an environmentally-friendly message in the film. The first sex scene is in nature and is romantic and passionate. The second one is in the city and is very rough and hard to watch. With this the sex scenes actually felt necessary.

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Post by xianjiro » May 9th, 2019, 10:08 pm

XxXApathy420XxX wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 10:02 pm
Well... I just favourited a porno. LA Plays Itself rules.
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I felt like it had an environmentally-friendly message in the film. The first sex scene is in nature and is romantic and passionate. The second one is in the city and is very rough and hard to watch. With this the sex scenes actually felt necessary.
we've been talking about LA Plays Itself, not LA Plays with Itself :P

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » May 9th, 2019, 10:17 pm

xianjiro wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 10:08 pm
XxXApathy420XxX wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 10:02 pm
Well... I just favourited a porno. LA Plays Itself rules.
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I felt like it had an environmentally-friendly message in the film. The first sex scene is in nature and is romantic and passionate. The second one is in the city and is very rough and hard to watch. With this the sex scenes actually felt necessary.
we've been talking about LA Plays Itself, not LA Plays with Itself :P
Just came across this old post of mine :lol: it's like it was meant to be

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Post by sacmersault » May 10th, 2019, 4:35 am

Are you guys doing that thread of a recommendation of a film that missed DtC like last year?

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Post by Ebbywebby » May 10th, 2019, 5:32 am

Just watched the alleged 1138th greatest film ever made, "Sepio." Rated *4.56* out of 6. Oh my, did I detest this. The epitome of everything that drives me bananas in art films. If you can't get enough of Straub/Huillet, dive in.

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Post by albajos » May 10th, 2019, 7:26 am

SLos Angeles Plays Itself (2003) is also on the The 21st Century's Most Acclaimed Films. It wasn't eligible. Anyway, now we know it will get into DtC, if it ever drops out of that list.

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Post by russa03 » May 10th, 2019, 8:04 am

joachimt wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 6:00 pm
So at least two people wrongly voted for LA Plays Itself. <_<
This is exactly why everyone should partly automate the voting process. Export the nominationslist from either IMDb or iCM and you have a spreadsheet that tells you exactly which movies you saw and are allowed to vote for. Manually going down the list results in errors.
Is this list so precious? I think it's a funny anomaly.


Not getting at people here but Los Angeles Plays Itself is directed by Thom Andersen (not Anderson). Easy mistake to make.

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Post by cinephage » May 10th, 2019, 8:33 am

Some people will be watching this movie, and wonder at how pervert the voters of the DTC list really are... The naughty, naughty, members of the ICM forum... Who'd have guessed they were like that ?

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Post by joachimt » May 10th, 2019, 8:35 am

russa03 wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 8:04 am
joachimt wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 6:00 pm
So at least two people wrongly voted for LA Plays Itself. <_<
This is exactly why everyone should partly automate the voting process. Export the nominationslist from either IMDb or iCM and you have a spreadsheet that tells you exactly which movies you saw and are allowed to vote for. Manually going down the list results in errors.
Is this list so precious? I think it's a funny anomaly.
It's funny, but my OCD can't handle it.
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Post by russa03 » May 10th, 2019, 9:39 am

joachimt wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 8:35 am
russa03 wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 8:04 am
joachimt wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 6:00 pm
So at least two people wrongly voted for LA Plays Itself. <_<
This is exactly why everyone should partly automate the voting process. Export the nominationslist from either IMDb or iCM and you have a spreadsheet that tells you exactly which movies you saw and are allowed to vote for. Manually going down the list results in errors.
Is this list so precious? I think it's a funny anomaly.
It's funny, but my OCD can't handle it.
Fair enough. I'll do the voting the other way next time.

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Post by blocho » May 10th, 2019, 2:35 pm

I also think it's a good jape. Next year, I plan to nominate a series of unloved remakes of great movies just to mess with people. Get ready for ...
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/the ... +caligari/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/psycho-1998/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/bicycle+thieves/

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Post by perceval » May 10th, 2019, 3:14 pm

In regards to this LA Plays Itself discussion, there were also a Sonatine not directed by Kitano getting into the list (and with surprisingly many votes). I almost voted for that one by mistake.

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Post by OldAle1 » May 10th, 2019, 3:39 pm

Along these lines we have

Crime Wave (1985) 2,94-18

but how many voters mistook John Paizs' surreal noir-comedy masterpiece for Sam Raimi's least-loved film?

Crimewave (1985) not nominated

I don't really think the Paizs film would necessarily have made it regardless, but still...

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Post by rnilsson19 » May 10th, 2019, 4:24 pm

I voted for the House of Usher film thinking it was the Epstein one.

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Post by joachimt » May 10th, 2019, 5:20 pm

That's it. I vote we remove the official status of Doubling the Canon. :folded:
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