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World Cup, Season 3, Match 2H: Romania vs Croatia vs Hong Kong (Dec 16th)

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Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match 2H: Romania vs Croatia vs Hong Kong (Dec 16th)

#41

Post by joachimt » December 16th, 2018, 12:25 pm

Armoreska wrote:
December 16th, 2018, 11:44 am
:D Only took 15 minutes to break the perfect record
Now it looks like hurluberlu and I planned it like this. :lol:
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Post by klaus78 » December 16th, 2018, 3:00 pm

1. Filantropica (Romania) 6/10
2. Deveti krug (Croatia) 6/10
3. Lie huo qing chun (Hong Kong) 5/10
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#43

Post by Nathan Treadway » December 16th, 2018, 3:11 pm

hurluberlu wrote:
December 16th, 2018, 11:18 am
A breathe of fresh air with HK and Romania films, finally, thanks for that !

Lie huo qing chun: 7+
Filantropica: 7
Deveti krug: 6
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#44

Post by Fergenaprido » December 16th, 2018, 4:12 pm

joachimt wrote:
December 16th, 2018, 9:34 am
Armoreska wrote:
December 16th, 2018, 8:52 am
joachimt wrote:
December 16th, 2018, 7:43 am
Was I the only one who didn't understand the scheme for a while?
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The first few times I was thinking: How can they make money if they get someone else to pay for their bill? It took me a while to get that the waiter was into the scheme as well and they didn't actually eat any meal, so there was no bill to pay. I felt so stupid. :facepalm:
There was a brief scene showing them
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getting paid
I don't remember the order of things exactly, but I think that scene
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didn't make me realize. I still thought: How can they get paid for having dinner and let someone else pay for it? There was another scene where the woman said something like "take it easy, we still have to drink coffee here for at least two hours". That's when I realized they were only having coffee.
I also didn't clue in until the scene that Armo mentioned, which I think took place after the one joachim mentioned. Still took me a while to figure it all out.


Saw Deveti krug two years ago when I was managing Croatia and considering it for my second round pick. Didn't feel like rewatching it again. It's an earnest tragic story that's good, but not great.

Filantropica has been high on my list for ages, so it's good to finally get around to watching it. It was pretty good, though at times I was a tad confused with what was going on with all the duplicitous schemes. Still, it was a decent black comedy, and if this film was the start of the Romanian New Wave that paved the way for some of my favourites, then I owe it that as well. I just wish the lead character wasn't so pathetic (though he did have some great moments, such as during the talk show).

Nomad was weird. Didn't really hold my interest, plus
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I don't understand what happened in the hotel room. Was that the designer lady? Why was she in the same room? Was she a lesbian? Why did she whisper "I love you" on the phone? Also, the last 5 minutes were just ridiculous and spoiled any goodwill that had been building up within me.
The ennui of young lovers is occasionally interesting, but there was too much randomness going on for me to really enjoy it.

At this point it seems like Croatia's got this one in the bag, but I'll be happy if either Balkan nation wins this match. I don't think I've encountered a bad film from either country (yet).

1. ROM Filantropica [Philanthropy] - 7.5ish
2. CRO Deveti krug [The Ninth Circle] - 7.4
3. HKG Lie huo qing chun [Nomad] - 5.5ish

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#45

Post by Mario Gaborović » December 16th, 2018, 4:38 pm

My favourite scenes from Filantropica is how the lead character handled that jerk, first on the barge and then later at the talk show. :D

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Post by weirdboy » December 16th, 2018, 7:56 pm

1. Deveti krug (The Ninth Circle) - 1960 - France Stiglic
2. Filantropica (Philanthropy) - 2002 - Nae Caranfil
3. Lie huo qing chun (Nomad) - 1982 - Patrick Tam, Terry Tong


Nomad is like some weird HK version of Beyond the Valley of the Dolls.

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#47

Post by metaller » December 16th, 2018, 8:11 pm

Lovely round, one of my favorites of this edition of the world cup. Only good films, all strong 7s or weak 8 territory for me.

1. Deveti krug (The Ninth Circle)
2. Lie huo qing chun (Nomad)
3. Filantropica (Philanthropy)

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Post by Gershwin » December 16th, 2018, 9:48 pm

I was planning to finish Filantropica tonight and watch Nomad as well, but I ended up updating my CV and submitting a letter of application. Sorry, Romania! I probably would have helped you.
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Post by filmbantha » December 16th, 2018, 11:27 pm

1. Filantropica
2. Deveti krug
3. Lie huo qing chun

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Post by mjf314 » December 17th, 2018, 4:47 am

1. Lie huo qing chun
2. Filantropica
3. Deveti krug

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#51

Post by weirdboy » December 17th, 2018, 5:24 am

The votes are all over the map on this match!

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#52

Post by joachimt » December 17th, 2018, 9:36 am

weirdboy wrote:
December 17th, 2018, 5:24 am
The votes are all over the map on this match!
What do you mean? The votes are very clear. Not a lot of variation. 11 of 29 people voted in the order of the ranking.

Image Deveti krug: 1.483 (44-14)
Image Filantropica: 1.931 (31-27)
Image Lie huo qing chun: 2.586 (12-46)

Number of #1-votes
Image Filantropica: 9
Image Deveti krug: 17
Image Lie huo qing chun: 3

Number of #3-votes
Image Filantropica: 7
Image Deveti krug: 2
Image Lie huo qing chun: 20

Those are very straightforward results.

Personally I don't understand why anyone would vote Lie huo qing chun at #1, so I think those three votes are three too many.

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Post by Gershwin » December 17th, 2018, 10:21 am

joachimt wrote:
December 17th, 2018, 9:36 am
weirdboy wrote:
December 17th, 2018, 5:24 am
The votes are all over the map on this match!
What do you mean? The votes are very clear. Not a lot of variation. 11 of 29 people voted in the order of the ranking.
But it's the world cup. :lol:
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Post by joachimt » December 17th, 2018, 12:09 pm

joachimt wrote:
December 17th, 2018, 9:36 am
Image Deveti krug: 1.483 (44-14)
Image Filantropica: 1.931 (31-27)
Image Lie huo qing chun: 2.586 (12-46)
Deadline is over. This is the final ranking. Croatia wins. Congratulations to Mochard. Also thanks to clemmetarey and Smoover for their picks and the 29 people who voted this match.

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It looks like it's mostly the perfect score participants who keep playing. There are 26 users who voted in every match. The other three votes this round are Gorro (19/20), Fergenaprido (18/20) and metaller (17/20). Casual voters seems to have become non-existent. Users with at least 75% participation who didn't vote this match:
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Post by Armoreska » December 17th, 2018, 1:57 pm

be interesting to hear feedback from
Mate_cosido
jdidaco
funkybusiness
as to their reason for not being interested (is it the HK movie?)
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#56

Post by joachimt » December 17th, 2018, 2:39 pm

Armoreska wrote:
December 17th, 2018, 1:57 pm
(is it the HK movie?)
Probably. When I said "soft porn without boobs" they were probably disappointed there weren't any boobs in it.
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Post by Gershwin » December 17th, 2018, 5:23 pm

joachimt wrote:
December 17th, 2018, 2:39 pm
Armoreska wrote:
December 17th, 2018, 1:57 pm
(is it the HK movie?)
Probably. When I said "soft porn without boobs" they were probably disappointed there weren't any boobs in it.
Of course I didn't really apply for a new job. :shifty:
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Post by clemmetarey » December 17th, 2018, 6:23 pm

Well, my fault I guess for not checking out more films, congratulations Mochard. What about something modern for the next round? :)

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Post by hurluberlu » December 17th, 2018, 7:57 pm

I enjoyed Nomad very much as a pivotal film of HK New Wave. I could appreciate the efforts of Tam to represent the Youth of the time, its energy and dreams confronted to the society, while exploring new forms of cinema (especially in shot composition and editing). Nomad has a lot in common with French New Wave Rozier's Du côté d'Orouët and Godard's Pierrot le Fou I thought. You might have to get over the typical local kitsch to enjoy it but if you pay attention, it is thematically a lot richer than the average 80s HK rom-com. The title comes from Deleuze's "Nomad Thoughts" about Nietzsche and personal accomplishment… tells a lot about the ambition of the filmmaker. If you only saw a soft porn… your loss…
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Post by Coryn » December 17th, 2018, 8:05 pm

joachimt wrote:
December 17th, 2018, 9:36 am
weirdboy wrote:
December 17th, 2018, 5:24 am
The votes are all over the map on this match!
What do you mean? The votes are very clear. Not a lot of variation. 11 of 29 people voted in the order of the ranking.

Image Deveti krug: 1.483 (44-14)
Image Filantropica: 1.931 (31-27)
Image Lie huo qing chun: 2.586 (12-46)

Number of #1-votes
Image Filantropica: 9
Image Deveti krug: 17
Image Lie huo qing chun: 3

Number of #3-votes
Image Filantropica: 7
Image Deveti krug: 2
Image Lie huo qing chun: 20

Those are very straightforward results.

Personally I don't understand why anyone would vote Lie huo qing chun at #1, so I think those three votes are three too many.

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Post by Mario Gaborović » December 17th, 2018, 8:09 pm

The film which is ranked at the top gets 2-0 from each voter, the second 1-1, and the last 0-2.

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Post by Fergenaprido » December 18th, 2018, 5:52 am

hurluberlu wrote:
December 17th, 2018, 7:57 pm
I enjoyed Nomad very much as a pivotal film of HK New Wave. I could appreciate the efforts of Tam to represent the Youth of the time, its energy and dreams confronted to the society, while exploring new forms of cinema (especially in shot composition and editing). Nomad has a lot in common with French New Wave Rozier's Du côté d'Orouët and Godard's Pierrot le Fou I thought. You might have to get over the typical local kitsch to enjoy it but if you pay attention, it is thematically a lot richer than the average 80s HK rom-com. The title comes from Deleuze's "Nomad Thoughts" about Nietzsche and personal accomplishment… tells a lot about the ambition of the filmmaker. If you only saw a soft porn… your loss…
I thought the English title came from the name of the boat (which didn't seem significant enough for the movie to be named after it, but I've seen stranger titles).

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Post by Nathan Treadway » December 18th, 2018, 9:37 am

joachimt wrote:
December 17th, 2018, 9:36 am
weirdboy wrote:
December 17th, 2018, 5:24 am
The votes are all over the map on this match!
What do you mean? The votes are very clear. Not a lot of variation. 11 of 29 people voted in the order of the ranking.

Image Deveti krug: 1.483 (44-14)
Image Filantropica: 1.931 (31-27)
Image Lie huo qing chun: 2.586 (12-46)

Number of #1-votes
Image Filantropica: 9
Image Deveti krug: 17
Image Lie huo qing chun: 3

Number of #3-votes
Image Filantropica: 7
Image Deveti krug: 2
Image Lie huo qing chun: 20

Those are very straightforward results.

Personally I don't understand why anyone would vote Lie huo qing chun at #1, so I think those three votes are three too many.

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Post by Armoreska » December 18th, 2018, 9:54 am

Was it? We'd like to hear from Weirdboy himself on this. tehe
The last few votes have been different indeed.
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viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1434
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Post by Mate_cosido » December 22nd, 2018, 3:44 am

Armoreska wrote:
December 17th, 2018, 1:57 pm
be interesting to hear feedback from
Mate_cosido
jdidaco
funkybusiness
as to their reason for not being interested (is it the HK movie?)
Sorry for answering late, it wasn't the HK movie for me, i watched it last year, and i'm always up for some HK 80's stuff, it was because of final exams week and me not watching movies

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