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ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Jan 3rd)

Posted: November 24th, 2018, 6:02 am
by PeacefulAnarchy
It's time to make out favourite directors list again. Submit an imdb list, or a list of imdb urls if you can't make an imdb list, with as many directors as you like. You have until end of day Monday Dec 31stThurs Jan 3 to submit your lists. Deadline extended to Thursday.

Half life will be 29, like last year.

I will assume your list is ranked unless you specify otherwise.
Other than a ranked list you can submit your list in one of the following ways:
- Unranked: All directors get the same number of points.
- Partially ranked: Top X is ranked, rest is unranked
- Group ranked: You have to specify the groups that go together, all films in the group get the same number of points. (eg: 11-20, 21-30, 31-50, 51-100)


I want to try to be consistent with directorial teams so we'll pick a director to represent each pair, the first one alphabetically. If there are any pairs that I missed let me know and I'll update this list:

Coen Bros: Ethan Coen
Powell & Pressburger: Michael Powell
Dardenne Bros: Jean-Pierre Dardenne
Maysles Bros:Albert Maysles
Huillet & Straub: Danièle Huillet
Wachowskis: Lana Wachowski
Farrelly Bros: Bobby Farrelly
Duplass Bros: Jay Duplass
Hughes Bros: Albert Hughes
Neveldine & Taylor: Mark Neveldine
Quay Bros: Stephen Quay
Taviani Bros: Paolo Taviani
Yervant Gianikian & Angela Ricci Lucchi:Yervant Gianikian
Margarida Cordeiro & António Reis: Margarida Cordeiro
Geronimi, Jackson, & Luske: Clyde Geronimi
Trousdale & Wise: Gary Trousdale
Clements & Musker: Ron Clements
Dayton & Faris: Jonathan Dayton
DeBlois & Sanders Dean DeBlois
Gilliam & Jones Terry Gilliam
Weitz Brothers Chris Weitz
Nicole Rittenmeyer & Seth Skundrick - Nicole Rittenmeyer
Ben Hecht, Charles MacArthur & Lee Garmes (optional)- Ben Hecht
Wilhelm Hein & Birgit Hein (w&b hein) - Birgit Hein
Hélène Cattet & Bruno Forzani - Hélène Cattet
Lucien Castain-Taylor & Verena Paravel - Lucien Castain-Taylor
Lucas Leyva & Jillian Mayer - Lucas Leyva


Previous years' Top directors:
Dec 2017
Dec2016
Dec 2015
Dec2014
Dec 2013
Dec 2012
Dec 2011
A couple of other directors lists to look at: From the book 501 Directors
From TSPDT: Top 250 Directors

Don't forget the women!
57 Lists:Show

Ranked
albajos https://www.imdb.com/list/ls062555390/
allisoncm https://www.imdb.com/list/ls000299003/
bal3x https://www.imdb.com/list/ls006678060/
brokenface https://www.imdb.com/list/ls047636355/
Carmel1379 https://www.imdb.com/list/ls045866462/
Caracortada https://www.imdb.com/list/ls031795912/
clemmetarey https://www.imdb.com/list/ls050891303/
Cocoa https://www.imdb.com/list/ls054144625/
connordenney https://www.imdb.com/list/ls045887830/
Fergenaprido https://www.imdb.com/list/ls073195234/
flaiky https://www.imdb.com/list/ls073033725/
fori viewtopic.php?p=549764#p549764
frbrown https://www.imdb.com/list/ls054333283/
Gershwin https://www.imdb.com/list/ls054245853/
Gorro https://www.imdb.com/list/ls047749983/
Ivan0716 https://www.imdb.com/list/ls045849015/
jeff_v https://www.imdb.com/list/ls055060933/
joachimt https://www.imdb.com/list/ls047031687/
jvv https://www.imdb.com/list/ls047468580/
klaus78 https://www.imdb.com/list/ls027748967/
lineuphere https://www.imdb.com/list/ls041717789/
mathiasa https://www.imdb.com/list/ls054141614/
maxwelldeux https://www.imdb.com/list/ls047588942/
Melvelet https://www.imdb.com/list/ls071874347/
mjf314 https://www.imdb.com/list/ls055555834/
MNA https://www.imdb.com/list/ls031358038/
Muellwind https://www.imdb.com/list/ls050465966/
Onderhond https://www.imdb.com/list/ls027762524/
Opio https://www.imdb.com/list/ls045820356/
ororama https://www.imdb.com/list/ls047783081/
outdoorcats http://www.imdb.com/list/ls047039626/
paul281f https://www.imdb.com/list/ls031162550/
Perception de Ambiguity https://www.imdb.com/list/ls027736571/
RBG https://www.imdb.com/list/ls066391551/
sebby https://www.imdb.com/list/ls058122199/
Smoover https://www.imdb.com/list/ls031700362/
sol https://www.imdb.com/list/ls047805217/
St. Gloede https://www.imdb.com/list/ls000238472/
Teproc https://www.imdb.com/list/ls027790977/
tobias https://www.imdb.com/list/ls053073641/
tommy_leazaq https://www.imdb.com/list/ls066951746/
toro913 https://www.imdb.com/list/ls047683371/
viktor-vaudevillain https://www.imdb.com/list/ls000045422/
zzzorf https://www.imdb.com/list/ls047348641/

unranked
3rd https://www.imdb.com/list/ls047991485/
psychotronicbeatnik https://www.imdb.com/list/ls027724426/
rnilsson19 https://www.imdb.com/list/ls045874326/

Groups/other
monclivie https://www.imdb.com/list/ls041791594/
Renegade https://www.imdb.com/list/ls041082878/
insomnius https://www.imdb.com/list/ls047051124/
Jimi Antiloop https://www.imdb.com/list/ls066900804/
Lonewolf2003 https://www.imdb.com/list/ls073091621/
OldAle1 https://www.imdb.com/list/ls027734909/
perceval https://www.imdb.com/list/ls000032664/
blocho https://www.imdb.com/list/ls031733302/
RogerTheMovieManiac88 https://www.imdb.com/list/ls047651709/
Peaceful Anarchy https://www.imdb.com/list/ls066938838/

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 24th, 2018, 6:34 am
by rnilsson19

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 24th, 2018, 7:07 am
by Carmel1379

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 24th, 2018, 7:54 am
by Onderhond
Not sure how the "paired directors" are defined, but there's the Pangs (Oxide Pang & Danny Pang). They directed many films together, but they also both made solo project, so not sure it applies.

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 24th, 2018, 7:58 am
by joachimt
Always fun to go through the directors-list on Criticker. Some personal stats:
- There are 550 directors of which I've seen at least 4 movies.
- The lowest rated director is Edward D. Wood Jr. with an average of 2.25/10 for 4 movies.
- The highest rated director is Masaki Kobayashi with an average of 9.571/10 for 7 movies.
- The director of which I've seen the most movies is Georges Méliès with 205 movies. That is one more than my checks on this list so my OCD is going crazy right now.
- The lowest rated director with more than 10 movies seen is Jean-Marie Straub with an average of 4.385 with 13 movies seen. I blame Rosenbaum for this. Not surprisingly, the second director in this stat is Danièle Huillet with an average of 4.455 with 11 movies seen.
- Sorted by most movies seen, the list illustrates I don't really focus on directors. The directors I've seen more than 25 movies of are mostly people who put out a lot of shorts. The exceptions are just a few big names like Hitchcock, Scorsese and Lang.
directors with more than 25 movies seenShow
Georges Méliès (205)
Stan Brakhage (97)
Louis Lumière (88)
Auguste Lumière (84)
James H. White (72)
Alice Guy (70)
Edwin S. Porter (61)
Alfred Hitchcock (59)
D.W. Griffith (55)
Jean-Luc Godard (43)
William K.L. Dickson (42)
Charles Chaplin (41)
Janaki Manaki (39)
Milton Manaki (39)
Steven Spielberg (35)
Louis Feuillade (32)
Robert W. Paul (32)
Buster Keaton (31)
William Heise (31)
Solomon Sir Jones (29)
Dziga Vertov (28)
Hollis Frampton (28)
John Ford (27)
Martin Scorsese (27)
Chuck Jones (27)
Alexandre Promio (27)
Fritz Lang (26)

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 24th, 2018, 8:18 am
by Onderhond
joachimt wrote:
November 24th, 2018, 7:58 am
The directors I've seen more than 25 movies of are mostly people who put out a lot of shorts. The exceptions are just a few big names like Hitchcock, Scorsese and Lang.
There's a topic for that, you even started it B)

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 24th, 2018, 8:38 am
by Perception de Ambiguity
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls027736571/

(letterboxd list in film form: https://letterboxd.com/systematicer/lis ... lm/detail/ )

Teams not yet listed in the OP:
Nicole Rittenmeyer & Seth Skundrick - Nicole Rittenmeyer
Ben Hecht, Charles MacArthur & Lee Garmes (optional)- Ben Hecht
Wilhelm Hein & Birgit Hein (w&b hein) - Birgit Hein
Hélène Cattet & Bruno Forzani - Hélène Cattet
Lucien Castain-Taylor & Verena Paravel - Lucien Castain-Taylor
Lucas Leyva & Jillian Mayer - Lucas Leyva

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 24th, 2018, 10:38 am
by joachimt
Onderhond wrote:
November 24th, 2018, 8:18 am
joachimt wrote:
November 24th, 2018, 7:58 am
The directors I've seen more than 25 movies of are mostly people who put out a lot of shorts. The exceptions are just a few big names like Hitchcock, Scorsese and Lang.
There's a topic for that, you even started it B)
That wasn't me. Local Hero started it.

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 24th, 2018, 12:21 pm
by Smoover

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 24th, 2018, 12:40 pm
by Onderhond
joachimt wrote:
November 24th, 2018, 10:38 am
That wasn't me. Local Hero started it.
Ah yes, got a little confused by the "last post seen" functionality it seems :)

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 24th, 2018, 1:18 pm
by Gershwin
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls054245853/
This is my list from last year. I guess I'll add or delete a few, but basically you can use this one.

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 24th, 2018, 1:47 pm
by joachimt
About coupled directors:
Let's add Milton and Janaki Manaki to that list.

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 24th, 2018, 2:20 pm
by Teproc

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 24th, 2018, 2:38 pm
by flaiky

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 24th, 2018, 9:23 pm
by Ivan0716
Ranked using the power of maths (wouldn't have been able to do it any other way)

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls045849015/

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 24th, 2018, 10:18 pm
by albajos
I tried to add the couple
Phil Lord, Christopher Miller
last time

I would aslo make sense to use Terry Jones for the Gilliam/Jones-pairing, as there are a bigger chance that some might vote for Gilliam as sole director.

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 25th, 2018, 3:11 am
by Cocoa

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 26th, 2018, 2:38 pm
by bal3x

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 26th, 2018, 3:30 pm
by OldAle1
I don't know that I'll get the chance to re-work this for this year, holiday stuff and all, and the fact that my second computer, where I stored lots of lists and stats and shit, has died and isn't probably worth fixing :unsure:, and alas I don't have a very recent update on the main computer. Do your backups regularly folks! I probably don't have to tell y'all that though, you're probly all a lot smarter than me when it comes to this shit...

anyway, here's last years, in tiers
1-10
11-30
31-100
101+

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls027734909/

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 26th, 2018, 5:31 pm
by Gershwin
OldAle1 wrote:
November 26th, 2018, 3:30 pm
I don't know that I'll get the chance to re-work this for this year, holiday stuff and all, and the fact that my second computer, where I stored lots of lists and stats and shit, has died and isn't probably worth fixing :unsure:, and alas I don't have a very recent update on the main computer. Do your backups regularly folks! I probably don't have to tell y'all that though, you're probly all a lot smarter than me when it comes to this shit...
Nah. One year ago I dropped my external when it was turned on. Had my complete music collection which I had assembled over 12 years. All gone in one moment. <_<
So I know how you feel. :rolleyes:

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 26th, 2018, 5:33 pm
by OldAle1
Gershwin wrote:
November 26th, 2018, 5:31 pm
OldAle1 wrote:
November 26th, 2018, 3:30 pm
I don't know that I'll get the chance to re-work this for this year, holiday stuff and all, and the fact that my second computer, where I stored lots of lists and stats and shit, has died and isn't probably worth fixing :unsure:, and alas I don't have a very recent update on the main computer. Do your backups regularly folks! I probably don't have to tell y'all that though, you're probly all a lot smarter than me when it comes to this shit...
Nah. One year ago I dropped my external when it was turned on. Had my complete music collection which I had assembled over 12 years. All gone in one moment. <_<
So I know how you feel. :rolleyes:
Ah that sucks. I have been gradually accumulating more drives as back-ups - gotta have more than one copy of all those Lav Diaz films - but I still have plenty of stuff that could bite the bullet if something goes wrong. Maybe that'll be New Years goal, backing up everything I really care about.

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 26th, 2018, 5:51 pm
by allisoncm
Initial list from last year:
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls000299003/

I am going to switch the order on a number of directors, so I'm not done yet.

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 27th, 2018, 2:10 am
by outdoorcats

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 27th, 2018, 8:09 am
by St. Gloede
My top 100 directors + Runner Ups

The list is close to what it was last year, but Greenaway is a new entry I added just a couple of days ago. Have found him incredibly fascinating for a long time, but somehow exploring his broader filmography never quite happened. Up to 7 entries now I felt comfortable adding him, and will try to catch up with The Belly of an Architect, Prospero's Books and The Baby of Mâcon as these look like films who could propel him much further up.

A few old Hollywood directors may also keep plunging down, as I am not as enchanted by their work as I once was. They have likely kept their high position due to good memories from when I first got into films + their massive ouvres. Not that masters like William Wyler, Howard Hawks and Michael Curtiz will ever drop off.

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 27th, 2018, 12:04 pm
by insomnius
St. Gloede wrote:
November 27th, 2018, 8:09 am
My top 100 directors + Runner Ups

The list is close to what it was last year, but Greenaway is a new entry I added just a couple of days ago. Have found him incredibly fascinating for a long time, but somehow exploring his broader filmography never quite happened. Up to 7 entries now I felt comfortable adding him, and will try to catch up with The Belly of an Architect, Prospero's Books and The Baby of Mâcon as these look like films who could propel him much further up.

A few old Hollywood directors may also keep plunging down, as I am not as enchanted by their work as I once was. They have likely kept their high position due to good memories from when I first got into films + their massive ouvres. Not that masters like William Wyler, Howard Hawks and Michael Curtiz will ever drop off.
Your list is also very close to what outdoorcats posted above you. :think:

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 27th, 2018, 12:14 pm
by St. Gloede
:lol:

Thanks, fixed.

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 27th, 2018, 12:23 pm
by RBG

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 27th, 2018, 12:58 pm
by joachimt

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 27th, 2018, 3:18 pm
by Melvelet

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 27th, 2018, 3:38 pm
by perceval
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls000032664/

Let's say top 100 ranked.

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: November 30th, 2018, 8:23 am
by Caracortada

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: December 1st, 2018, 11:34 pm
by maxwelldeux

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: December 2nd, 2018, 1:11 am
by psychotronicbeatnik
Here's my list. This year I went with it unranked - in alphabetical order. I may add a few more names but it will remain at this link and unranked.

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls027724426/?ref_=otl_1

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: December 3rd, 2018, 6:29 am
by blocho
My list, group ranked
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls031733302/


Group 1: 1-12
Group 2: 13-24
Group 3: 25-30
Group 4: 31-37
Group 5: 38-62

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: December 3rd, 2018, 9:31 am
by Opio

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: December 3rd, 2018, 12:08 pm
by albajos

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: December 4th, 2018, 11:06 am
by Gorro
Ranked: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls047749983/

My ranking is done purely statistics based. I took my ratings for all movies by directors of which I've seen at least 5 movies and calculated the average rating. However, this punishes directors I took the effort to watch complete filmographies, since their duds drag the average down. So, the final score is calculated by the following formula:

score = μ(rating) + (# films - μ(# films) / 4 * σ(# films))

The resulting list with ratings can be found in the spoilers below.
SpoilerShow
1. 9.45 Tarkovsky, Andrei - 9.53 average in 7 films
2. 9.31 Bergman, Ingmar - 8.39 average in 26 films
3. 8.83 Tarantino, Quentin - 8.81 average in 9 films
4. 8.83 Nolan, Christopher - 8.75 average in 10 films
5. 8.83 Kurosawa, Akira - 7.69 average in 30 films
6. 8.76 González Iñárritu, Alejandro - 8.90 average in 6 films
7. 8.75 Hitchcock, Alfred - 6.88 average in 44 films
8. 8.75 Kobayashi, Masaki - 8.78 average in 8 films
9. 8.74 Villeneuve, Denis - 8.87 average in 6 films
10. 8.64 Bresson, Robert - 8.56 average in 10 films
11. 8.63 Spielberg, Steven - 7.45 average in 31 films
12. 8.61 Allen, Woody - 7.05 average in 38 films
13. 8.57 Lang, Fritz - 7.59 average in 27 films
14. 8.56 Buñuel, Luis - 8.22 average in 15 films
15. 8.55 Kubrick, Stanley - 8.31 average in 13 films
16. 8.52 Dreyer, Carl Theodor - 8.60 average in 7 films
17. 8.50 Fincher, David - 8.42 average in 10 films
18. 8.47 Anderson, Wes - 8.44 average in 9 films
19. 8.41 Clouzot, Henri-Georges - 8.60 average in 5 films
20. 8.41 Lynch, David - 8.33 average in 10 films
21. 8.40 Leone, Sergio - 8.53 average in 6 films
22. 8.39 Cameron, James - 8.47 average in 7 films
23. 8.35 Zvyagintsev, Andrei - 8.54 average in 5 films
24. 8.35 Wyler, William - 7.85 average in 18 films
25. 8.34 Wilder, Billy - 7.89 average in 17 films
26. 8.33 Wright, Edgar - 8.52 average in 5 films
27. 8.32 Jackson, Peter - 8.03 average in 14 films
28. 8.31 Chaplin, Charlie - 8.18 average in 11 films
29. 8.29 Medem, Julio - 8.48 average in 5 films
30. 8.28 Ozu, Yasujiro - 8.05 average in 13 films
31. 8.26 Welles, Orson - 8.07 average in 12 films
32. 8.24 Ceylan, Nuri Bilge - 8.42 average in 5 films
33. 8.24 Eisenstein, Sergei M. - 8.26 average in 8 films
34. 8.23 Capra, Frank - 8.26 average in 8 films
35. 8.22 Melville, Jean-Pierre - 8.14 average in 10 films
36. 8.21 Resnais, Alain - 8.29 average in 7 films
37. 8.19 Fellini, Federico - 7.84 average in 15 films
38. 8.16 Linklater, Richard - 7.72 average in 17 films
39. 8.12 Winding Refn, Nicolas - 8.30 average in 5 films
40. 8.11 Amenábar, Alejandro - 8.25 average in 6 films
41. 8.11 Scorsese, Martin - 7.19 average in 26 films
42. 8.08 Aronofsky, Darren - 8.16 average in 7 films
43. 8.08 Zhang, Yimou - 7.69 average in 16 films
44. 8.07 Sorrentino, Paolo - 8.26 average in 5 films
45. 8.07 Murnau, F.W. - 8.20 average in 6 films
46. 8.06 Polanski, Roman - 7.56 average in 18 films
47. 8.05 Ray, Satyajit - 8.02 average in 9 films
48. 8.04 Visconti, Luchino - 7.96 average in 10 films
49. 8.03 Coen Brothers - 7.53 average in 18 films
50. 8.02 Mendes, Sam - 8.10 average in 7 films
51. 8.01 Wenders, Wim - 7.98 average in 9 films
52. 8.00 Malick, Terrence - 8.03 average in 8 films
53. 7.99 Hawks, Howard - 7.49 average in 18 films
54. 7.99 Kazan, Elia - 7.85 average in 11 films
55. 7.98 Antonioni, Michelangelo - 7.95 average in 9 films
56. 7.98 Mizoguchi, Kenji - 7.90 average in 10 films
57. 7.97 Malle, Louis - 7.99 average in 8 films
58. 7.97 Kusturica, Emir - 7.99 average in 8 films
59. 7.96 Herzog, Werner - 7.46 average in 18 films
60. 7.95 Van Warmerdam, Alex - 8.14 average in 5 films
61. 7.93 Truffaut, François - 7.59 average in 15 films
62. 7.93 Sturges, Preston - 8.06 average in 6 films
63. 7.92 Imamura, Shôhei - 8.11 average in 5 films
64. 7.91 Dassin, Jules - 8.04 average in 6 films
65. 7.90 Leigh, Mike - 7.93 average in 8 films
66. 7.88 Kiarostami, Abbas - 7.91 average in 8 films
67. 7.87 McCarey, Leo - 7.95 average in 7 films
68. 7.87 Brooks, Richard - 8.05 average in 5 films
69. 7.86 Kieslowski, Krzysztof - 7.99 average in 6 films
70. 7.84 Ford, John - 7.13 average in 22 films
71. 7.83 Trier, Lars von - 7.70 average in 11 films
72. 7.82 Fassbinder, Rainer Werner - 7.69 average in 11 films
73. 7.82 Godard, Jean-Luc - 7.11 average in 22 films
74. 7.80 Ray, Nicholas - 7.82 average in 8 films
75. 7.79 Haynes, Todd - 7.97 average in 5 films
76. 7.78 Lean, David - 7.75 average in 9 films
77. 7.76 Anderson, Paul Thomas - 7.79 average in 8 films
78. 7.75 Powell & Pressburger - 7.73 average in 9 films
79. 7.73 Egoyan, Atom - 7.86 average in 6 films
80. 7.73 Akin, Fatih - 7.91 average in 5 films
81. 7.73 Vidor, King - 7.91 average in 5 films
82. 7.71 Lee, Ang - 7.63 average in 10 films
83. 7.71 Renoir, Jean - 7.37 average in 15 films
84. 7.70 Cuarón, Alfonso - 7.88 average in 5 films
85. 7.70 Wachowski's - 7.78 average in 7 films
86. 7.69 Almodóvar, Pedro - 7.50 average in 12 films
87. 7.68 Wajda, Andrzej - 7.81 average in 6 films
88. 7.66 von Stroheim, Erich - 7.85 average in 5 films
89. 7.66 Weir, Peter - 7.58 average in 10 films
90. 7.66 Boyle, Danny - 7.47 average in 12 films
91. 7.65 Vaughn, Matthew - 7.79 average in 6 films
92. 7.65 Bertolucci, Bernardo - 7.68 average in 8 films
93. 7.63 Mankiewicz, Joseph L. - 7.55 average in 10 films
94. 7.62 Scott, Ridley - 6.80 average in 24 films
95. 7.62 Von Sternberg, Josef - 7.59 average in 9 films
96. 7.61 Kramer, Stanley - 7.75 average in 6 films
97. 7.61 Burton, Tim - 7.11 average in 18 films
98. 7.61 Preminger, Otto - 7.58 average in 9 films
99. 7.61 Soderbergh, Steven - 6.84 average in 23 films
100. 7.60 Ashby, Hal - 7.74 average in 6 films
I definitely do not agree with the complete ranking, since my rating of a movie depends on more than the director alone, but it was a fun way to construct the list.

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: December 4th, 2018, 5:42 pm
by maxwelldeux
Gorro wrote:
December 4th, 2018, 11:06 am
My ranking is done purely statistics based. I took my ratings for all movies by directors of which I've seen at least 5 movies and calculated the average rating. However, this punishes directors I took the effort to watch complete filmographies, since their duds drag the average down. So, the final score is calculated by the following formula:

score = μ(rating) + (# films - μ(# films) / 4 * σ(# films))

I definitely do not agree with the complete ranking, since my rating of a movie depends on more than the director alone, but it was a fun way to construct the list.
Nerd talk time. Why that formula, and where did you get it?

I'm asking because I constructed by list similarly and with similar motivations, but I went with a Bayesian average to account for differences in the numbers of films watched - this penalizes directors for whom I've seen fewer films by pulling their ratings back towards my global average. But your formula seems to take the opposite approach and provides a bit of a bonus to directors for whom you've seen a ton of films. Just curious about your reasoning, as I may want to adopt this approach in the future.

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: December 4th, 2018, 7:13 pm
by Gorro
maxwelldeux wrote:
December 4th, 2018, 5:42 pm
Gorro wrote:
December 4th, 2018, 11:06 am
My ranking is done purely statistics based. I took my ratings for all movies by directors of which I've seen at least 5 movies and calculated the average rating. However, this punishes directors I took the effort to watch complete filmographies, since their duds drag the average down. So, the final score is calculated by the following formula:

score = μ(rating) + (# films - μ(# films) / 4 * σ(# films))

I definitely do not agree with the complete ranking, since my rating of a movie depends on more than the director alone, but it was a fun way to construct the list.
Nerd talk time. Why that formula, and where did you get it?

I'm asking because I constructed by list similarly and with similar motivations, but I went with a Bayesian average to account for differences in the numbers of films watched - this penalizes directors for whom I've seen fewer films by pulling their ratings back towards my global average. But your formula seems to take the opposite approach and provides a bit of a bonus to directors for whom you've seen a ton of films. Just curious about your reasoning, as I may want to adopt this approach in the future.
I can't really exactly remember.

I used the Bayesion average before. I calculated it now again for my data and I simply don't like the result. It doesn't give enough of a bonus to my heavily watched directors. Bergman still is #2, but Kurosawa drops to #31, Hitchcock drops all the way to #184, Spielberg to #70, Allen to #154. I think I experimented a bit myself and made this formula a long while ago. It has been part of my excel sheet for a few years at this point.

I think I started with the raw average rating and looked for a way to give heavily watched directors a boost. My first intuition was some Z-score (x-μ / σ ) based modification, which I use regularly to normalize data in my research, could work. That was too much and then I introduced the constant 4 to weaken the effect. I played around with the constant 4 (tried 3 and 5) today before finalizing the list, but still felt 4 resulted in the best ranking.

Since this is not a scientific endeavor, result based tweaking your formula is totally fine, so no need to stick to some scientifically proven formula. Play around until you find something that works for you.

Re: ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2018 (Due Dec 31st)

Posted: December 4th, 2018, 8:24 pm
by maxwelldeux
Gorro wrote:
December 4th, 2018, 7:13 pm
maxwelldeux wrote:
December 4th, 2018, 5:42 pm
Gorro wrote:
December 4th, 2018, 11:06 am
My ranking is done purely statistics based. I took my ratings for all movies by directors of which I've seen at least 5 movies and calculated the average rating. However, this punishes directors I took the effort to watch complete filmographies, since their duds drag the average down. So, the final score is calculated by the following formula:

score = μ(rating) + (# films - μ(# films) / 4 * σ(# films))

I definitely do not agree with the complete ranking, since my rating of a movie depends on more than the director alone, but it was a fun way to construct the list.
Nerd talk time. Why that formula, and where did you get it?

I'm asking because I constructed by list similarly and with similar motivations, but I went with a Bayesian average to account for differences in the numbers of films watched - this penalizes directors for whom I've seen fewer films by pulling their ratings back towards my global average. But your formula seems to take the opposite approach and provides a bit of a bonus to directors for whom you've seen a ton of films. Just curious about your reasoning, as I may want to adopt this approach in the future.
I can't really exactly remember.

I used the Bayesion average before. I calculated it now again for my data and I simply don't like the result. It doesn't give enough of a bonus to my heavily watched directors. Bergman still is #2, but Kurosawa drops to #31, Hitchcock drops all the way to #184, Spielberg to #70, Allen to #154. I think I experimented a bit myself and made this formula a long while ago. It has been part of my excel sheet for a few years at this point.

I think I started with the raw average rating and looked for a way to give heavily watched directors a boost. My first intuition was some Z-score (x-μ / σ ) based modification, which I use regularly to normalize data in my research, could work. That was too much and then I introduced the constant 4 to weaken the effect. I played around with the constant 4 (tried 3 and 5) today before finalizing the list, but still felt 4 resulted in the best ranking.

Since this is not a scientific endeavor, result based tweaking your formula is totally fine, so no need to stick to some scientifically proven formula. Play around until you find something that works for you.
So this is super cool. Now I want to play around with formulas to see what I get. Of course, I'm working with a much smaller data set, as I've seen and rated far fewer films than you have, but this will still be fun. I actually started tracking directors because of this poll last year. :cheers: