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Post by Caracortada » November 11th, 2018, 8:31 am

My top 80:
ICM Poll: Bumpin' Into Broadway

I think you need at least three songs in a musical, just like one needs at least three victims to be called a serial killer.

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Post by joachimt » November 11th, 2018, 8:36 am

Caracortada wrote:
November 11th, 2018, 8:31 am
My top 80:
ICM Poll: Bumpin' Into Broadway
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Post by Caracortada » November 11th, 2018, 9:05 am

I hadn't saved it yet, but it's there now.

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Post by mathiasa » November 11th, 2018, 9:31 am

Reading this thread I realize that I put too much blind faith in op's suggested lists as well as the results of the 2013 musical poll. I thus reconsidered my list and trimmed it, leaving out both some music videos and feature flics (removed 9 out of 100 items). However, I did not remove all the music videos: as the debate went, my point that music videos which are musicals are eligible, still stands. Further, the music videos left in my list are, to my knowledge, consistent with Caracortada's definition (and at least some of those I removed would have been too). There are still what I consider borderline choices, so I will follow this thread and if I see users taking reasonable issue with some movies, I'll remove them as well. Apart from that, I'm not interested in discussing what constitutes a musical, seeing that Caracortada's definition isn't even self-consistent (it first says the demy's two all sung movies could be included, but later claims that in a musical the songs must stop the narration). So it's clearly not as clear as some apparently think. And as to how many songs a musical must have, I just wanted to remind you that according to Jacques Demy the answer is zero.

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Post by Caracortada » November 11th, 2018, 10:31 am

Yes, I see those rare cases of all-sung films as an exception to the rule. I would include them, because there are too few of them to have a poll of their own.

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Post by Lammetje » November 11th, 2018, 10:52 am

joachimt wrote:
November 10th, 2018, 9:13 pm
Lammetje wrote:
November 10th, 2018, 7:55 pm
Can you please correct 'Imdb-lists or iCM-lists' to 'IMDb lists or iCM lists', J-Dog? :geek:
Done. I never noticed, because I just copied a template from Lonewolf. :P
Actually, it's not just about the capital letters. There shouldn't be a dash in 'IMDb list'. :geek:

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Post by mathiasa » November 11th, 2018, 11:07 am

Caracortada wrote:
November 11th, 2018, 10:31 am
Yes, I see those rare cases of all-sung films as an exception to the rule. I would include them, because there are too few of them to have a poll of their own.
This certainly makes sense. Arguably, they could be included with a "music"-poll (should there be one at some time). Since there is no traditional dance choreography in Les Parapluies or Demoiselles, this would formally make sense, if joachimt's focus on choreography is accepted. But to my gut feeling, these movies are still closer to conventional musicals than to music films. (On a side note, I kinda would think it funny to have a micro poll regarding all sung movies. But yeah, it would be silly.)

EDIT: I've just seen that wikipedia disagrees about your statement that the songs have to stop the narration: The songs usually advance the plot or develop the film's characters, but in some cases, they serve merely as breaks in the storyline, often as elaborate "production numbers.". Not saying you are wrong (or right), just saying it is a delicate matter.

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Post by albajos » November 11th, 2018, 11:14 am

Should contain several scenes of characters bursting into song aimed at the viewer (this excludes songs performed for the enjoyment of other characters that may be viewing) while the rest of the time, usually but not exclusively, portraying a narrative that alludes to another Genre. Note: not to be added for titles that are simply music related or have music performances in them; e.g., pop concerts do not apply. Also, classical opera, since it is entirely musical, does not apply and should instead be treated as Music. Objective.
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Post by joachimt » November 11th, 2018, 6:02 pm

Lammetje wrote:
November 11th, 2018, 10:52 am
joachimt wrote:
November 10th, 2018, 9:13 pm
Lammetje wrote:
November 10th, 2018, 7:55 pm
Can you please correct 'Imdb-lists or iCM-lists' to 'IMDb lists or iCM lists', J-Dog? :geek:
Done. I never noticed, because I just copied a template from Lonewolf. :P
Actually, it's not just about the capital letters. There shouldn't be a dash in 'IMDb list'. :geek:
Ah, didn't notice in your post. I think the dash should be there. :folded:
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Post by beavis » November 12th, 2018, 4:57 pm

ranked top30

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/icm+ ... is/beavis/

loads of 'slightly off' musicals... I don't like a lot of the real classics that much, but of those, I think Love me Tonight (1932) and The Band Wagon (1953) have some great numbers and they should be my greatest recommendations for those who want to check out some titles they haven't seen yet before this poll finishes!

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Post by farne » November 13th, 2018, 2:55 pm

I'm not a huge fan, so it's a pretty short list,

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls045687319/

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Post by GruesomeTwosome » November 13th, 2018, 3:35 pm

Yeah I'll skip this one, mainly due to my minimal knowledge/viewership in this genre but also the seemingly (too) strict criteria that it appears will be put in place here. Something like Once (2007) would be high on my favorites but it sounds like that would be thrown out as "not a musical".
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Post by Onderhond » November 13th, 2018, 3:40 pm

Even with these strict criteria we're still debating whether a Simpsons episode would be allowed, I'm actually glad with the restrictions. People looking at the resulting list might find some actual musicals in there!

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Post by OldAle1 » November 13th, 2018, 3:44 pm

GruesomeTwosome wrote:
November 13th, 2018, 3:35 pm
Yeah I'll skip this one, mainly due to my minimal knowledge/viewership in this genre but also the seemingly (too) strict criteria that will seemingly be put in place here. Something like Once (2007) would be high on my favorites but it sounds like that would be thrown out as "not a musical".
I don't see that there's been any official "strict" criteria put in place. This is what joachim says in the OP:
I'm not going to debate whether something is musical or not. That's up to the voters to decide. But let's make clear this list is not about movies that are about music.
Sure there's been lots of discussion through the thread but the only thing that's gotten the banhammer is music videos. Once is on my list too, and sure it might be marginal in some ways but these polls are always full of arguable examples - I think I counted about 25 or so films among the horror top 250 that I would definitely not call horror myself. So I don't think there's anything different going on here. Of course if you don't care much about the genre anyway or don't have many films you could call favorites that's another matter.

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Post by GruesomeTwosome » November 13th, 2018, 3:49 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
November 13th, 2018, 3:44 pm
GruesomeTwosome wrote:
November 13th, 2018, 3:35 pm
Yeah I'll skip this one, mainly due to my minimal knowledge/viewership in this genre but also the seemingly (too) strict criteria that will seemingly be put in place here. Something like Once (2007) would be high on my favorites but it sounds like that would be thrown out as "not a musical".
I don't see that there's been any official "strict" criteria put in place. This is what joachim says in the OP:
I'm not going to debate whether something is musical or not. That's up to the voters to decide. But let's make clear this list is not about movies that are about music.
Sure there's been lots of discussion through the thread but the only thing that's gotten the banhammer is music videos. Once is on my list too, and sure it might be marginal in some ways but these polls are always full of arguable examples - I think I counted about 25 or so films among the horror top 250 that I would definitely not call horror myself. So I don't think there's anything different going on here. Of course if you don't care much about the genre anyway or don't have many films you could call favorites that's another matter.
Ah OK, thanks for pointing out that bit in joachim's OP, I read it but then read through the rest of the thread where all the little debates were happening and must have gotten a bit lost in it all, heh. With that said, I'll still sit this one out since I don't feel I could put together a satisfyingly strong list. :thumbsup:
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Post by Lonewolf2003 » November 13th, 2018, 6:08 pm

I will sit this one out also. Have too few musicals I really like

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Post by Carmel1379 » November 13th, 2018, 6:20 pm

GruesomeTwosome wrote:
November 13th, 2018, 3:49 pm
With that said, I'll still sit this one out since I don't feel I could put together a satisfyingly strong list. :thumbsup:
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Post by GruesomeTwosome » November 13th, 2018, 6:52 pm

Carmel1379 wrote:
November 13th, 2018, 6:20 pm
GruesomeTwosome wrote:
November 13th, 2018, 3:49 pm
With that said, I'll still sit this one out since I don't feel I could put together a satisfyingly strong list. :thumbsup:
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Hehe. I almost wanted to post a 2-film "list" that consisted solely of South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut and Dancer in the Dark but I think I'll refrain. tehe
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Post by zuma » November 13th, 2018, 7:55 pm

For now:

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/zuma+-+musical/zuma/

I will browse everyone else's list for stuff I missed.

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Post by joachimt » November 13th, 2018, 9:14 pm

It's been a while since I saw Once, but I remember it to be a movie with musicians. The characters are making music in the plot. It's not like they interrupt the normal storytelling to start singing a song.
Or maybe I should rewatch it......
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Post by RBG » November 13th, 2018, 9:22 pm

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Post by albajos » November 13th, 2018, 10:11 pm

joachimt wrote:
November 13th, 2018, 9:14 pm
It's been a while since I saw Once, but I remember it to be a movie with musicians. The characters are making music in the plot. It's not like they interrupt the normal storytelling to start singing a song.
Or maybe I should rewatch it......
Everything is normal songs except for one.

In the last musical challenge I actually counted them in everything I saw.

Almost everything else in the top 80% diegetic are about setting up a stage musical. So Once is really the odd one out.

Diegetic
15. The Jazz Singer (1927) - 100%
36. Footlight Parade (1933) - 100%
04. Gold Diggers of 1933 (1933) - 100%
01. Yankee Doodle Dandy (1942) - 100%
02. Jailhouse Rock (1957) - 100%
22. All That Jazz (1979) - 100% *
30. Once (2007) - 97%
34. A Star Is Born (1954) - 96%
13. Wintertime (1943) - 94%
28. Copacabana (1947) - 94%
14. Hedwig and the Angry Inch (2001) - 92%
05. My Lucky Star (1938) - 85%
08. The Broadway Melody (1929) - 83%
06. True Stories (1986) - 79%
12. Frøken Nitouche (1963) - 75%
27. A Day at the Races (1937) - 66%
11. Horse Feathers (1932) - 60%
16. Animal Crackers (1930) - 58%
29. The Cocoanuts (1929) - 57%
23. Swing Time (1936) - 55%

* includes a dream sequence that I counted as diegetic as it is diegetic for him.

Non-diegetic
03. Carmen Jones (1954) - 100%
19. 8 femmes (2002) - 100%
25. Evita (1996) - 93%
26. Rio 2 (2014) - 91%
33. Puss in Boots (1988) - 85%
35. On the Town (1949) - 84%
20. Damn Yankees! (1958) - 84%
09. Xanadu (1980) - 81%
31. Lost Horizon (1973) - 77%
18. Les demoiselles de Rochefort (1967) - 71%
17. Calamity Jane (1953) - 70%
10. The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas (1982) - 70%
07. Forbidden Zone (1980) - 66%
21. Top Hat (1935) - 58%
24. Hairspray (2007) - 54%

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Post by Carmel1379 » November 14th, 2018, 3:17 am

GruesomeTwosome wrote:
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Post by Lammetje » November 14th, 2018, 5:29 pm

joachimt wrote:
November 11th, 2018, 6:02 pm
Lammetje wrote:
November 11th, 2018, 10:52 am
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November 10th, 2018, 9:13 pm

Done. I never noticed, because I just copied a template from Lonewolf. :P
Actually, it's not just about the capital letters. There shouldn't be a dash in 'IMDb list'. :geek:
Ah, didn't notice in your post. I think the dash should be there. :folded:
Have you read the Off-Topic Lounge lately? :folded:


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Post by joachimt » November 14th, 2018, 8:40 pm

Lammetje wrote:
November 14th, 2018, 5:29 pm
joachimt wrote:
November 11th, 2018, 6:02 pm
Lammetje wrote:
November 11th, 2018, 10:52 am

Actually, it's not just about the capital letters. There shouldn't be a dash in 'IMDb list'. :geek:
Ah, didn't notice in your post. I think the dash should be there. :folded:
Have you read the Off-Topic Lounge lately? :folded:
Since it's that important to you, I just removed the dashes.
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Post by RBG » November 15th, 2018, 7:26 pm

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Post by Smoover » November 15th, 2018, 8:03 pm

Dil Se is maybe the best Bollywood movie when it depends on the Musical Scenes. Thats why I also added it.

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Post by RBG » November 15th, 2018, 8:38 pm

yay. i became obsessed with this number and have watched the youtube video dozens of times
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Post by mathiasa » December 1st, 2018, 12:29 pm

Mubi is showing three restored Guru Dutt movies right now, including the otherworldly masterpiece Pyaasa.

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Post by rnilsson19 » December 1st, 2018, 5:18 pm

I watched Stormy Weather last month and thought it was pretty forgettable apart from this final number which blew me away:


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Post by flaiky » December 1st, 2018, 5:31 pm

rnilsson19 wrote:
December 1st, 2018, 5:18 pm
I watched Stormy Weather last month and thought it was pretty forgettable apart from this final number which blew me away:
Have you seen this? It introduced me to the Nicholas Brothers, I wouldn't know of them otherwise, and actually it's perfect to post in this thread:

I can't tell you how many times I've watched this video - it gives me endless joy!
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Post by rnilsson19 » December 1st, 2018, 6:48 pm

flaiky wrote:
December 1st, 2018, 5:31 pm
rnilsson19 wrote:
December 1st, 2018, 5:18 pm
I watched Stormy Weather last month and thought it was pretty forgettable apart from this final number which blew me away:
Have you seen this? It introduced me to the Nicholas Brothers, I wouldn't know of them otherwise, and actually it's perfect to post in this thread:

I can't tell you how many times I've watched this video - it gives me endless joy!
No, I hadn't, some good Fred and Ginger stuff in there!

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Post by RBG » December 1st, 2018, 10:15 pm

well i may as well post the lindy hop from hellzapoppin (the whole film is on youtube)



and i trade out stormy weather for cabin in the sky, i'm shocked to see i missed it :unsure:
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Post by RBG » December 2nd, 2018, 11:59 pm

and i'm only halfway through but it's safe to say i'm adding 'it's always fair weather' to my list

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