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500<400, Favourite 1001 movies, Doubling the Canon, Film World Cup and many other votes
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#1041

Post by PeacefulAnarchy » October 24th, 2018, 5:54 pm

#981(NEW) Casting a Glance (2007)
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Directed by: James Benning
(172.77 Pts, 2 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–1–2
History: 981100610051002NA←NA
ICheckMovies: 60 Checks , 3 Favourites , 1 Official list
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perceval (4)
Dolwphin (20)

#982(NEW) Tous les garçons et les filles de leur âge...: Portrait d'une jeune fille de la fin des années 60 à Bruxelles (1994)
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Directed by: Chantal Akerman
(172.58 Pts, 4 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–1–2
History: 982732071797091NA←NA
ICheckMovies: 54 Checks , 8 Favourites , 1 Official list
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Mate_cosido (4)
rnilsson19 (38)
sebby (130)
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#983(NEW) Father Brown (1954)
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Directed by: Robert Hamer
(172.53 Pts, 3 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–1–1
History: 983164017291982NA←NA
ICheckMovies: 104 Checks , 4 Favourites , 1 Official list
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frbrown (9)
Opio (61)
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#984(NEW) Black Mirror: Nosedive (2016)
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Directed by: Joe Wright
(172.53 Pts, 4 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–1
History: 984NANANANA←NA
ICheckMovies: 312 Checks , 14 Favourites , 0 Official lists
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GruesomeTwosome (63)
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#985(NEW) Let the Fire Burn (2013)
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Directed by: Jason Osder
(172.2 Pts, 5 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–1
History: 985102911291448NA←NA
ICheckMovies: 169 Checks , 12 Favourites , 0 Official lists
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#1042

Post by Perception de Ambiguity » October 24th, 2018, 6:05 pm

Melvelet wrote:
October 24th, 2018, 11:58 am
PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
October 24th, 2018, 1:09 am
#935(NEW) Alone in the Wilderness (2004)
Directed by: (empty)
(177.88 Pts, 5 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–1–2
History: 935138510764766NA←NA
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How come I never heard about this one? Anyway, more recommendations with a similar subject would be much obliged (I've seen Two Years at Sea)
Will fiction films do it as well? And it depends on what aspect(s) you are thinking of, but I think these might hit the spot for you:

Corn Island (2014)
The Naked Island (1960)
Die Wand (2012)
Kon-Tiki (1950) [doc]
Kon-Tiki (2012) [feature film version of the same story]

To a lesser degree:

Nostos: Il ritorno (1989) [semi-doc]
Tracks (2013)

And to a lesser than less degree:

The Moon and the Sledgehammer (1971) [doc]
Rivers and Tides (2001) [doc]
The Naked Prey (1965)
Lord of the Flies (any)
The Edge (1997)
Dersu Uzala (1975)
La vallée (1972)
A Spell to Ward Off the Darkness (2013) [semi-doc]
Robert Frost (1961) [doc]

And I don't want to leave 'Upstream Color' unmentioned since it was quite inspired by Thoreau's "Walden" - consciously and unconsciously - a book I hoped 'Alone in the Wilderness' in essence would be a documentary film equivalent of, which I didn't really find to be the case, instead it was not very much more than a "How to build a cabin by yourself" instruction video since much of what the guy needed to survive and to even build his bloody cabin he imported from the "civilized world".

Best of all, though, is the YT channel Primitive Technology, if this won't prepare you for living alone in the wilderness than no audio-visual media will. - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAL3JX ... lZyD3nQdBA
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#1043

Post by joachimt » October 24th, 2018, 6:27 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
October 24th, 2018, 5:36 pm
#979(NEW) Douce (1943)
[Love Story]

Directed by: Claude Autant-Lara
(172.82 Pts, 6 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–1–1
History: 97914192060777NA←NA
ICheckMovies: 94 Checks , 6 Favourites , 2 Official lists
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Knaldskalle (NA)
Angel Glez (91)
Armoreska (217)
Fergenaprido (278)
St. Gloede (311)
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#1044

Post by Hunziker » October 24th, 2018, 6:37 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
October 24th, 2018, 5:05 pm
#974(NEW) Faraon (1966)
[Pharaoh]

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Directed by: Jerzy Kawalerowicz
(173.07 Pts, 8 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–0
History: 974101411252212NA←NA
ICheckMovies: 145 Checks , 7 Favourites , 4 Official lists
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cinephage (254)
bjornam (265)
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I can't stand this movie. One of the single most boring experiences of my life. I was literally the only person in the theater to make it till the end.
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#1045

Post by PeacefulAnarchy » October 24th, 2018, 6:53 pm

#986(NEW) Les innocentes (2016)
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Directed by: Anne Fontaine
(171.69 Pts, 4 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–1
History: 986NANANANA←NA
ICheckMovies: 292 Checks , 21 Favourites , 0 Official lists
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#987(⇩25, #962) El compadre Mendoza (1934)
[Godfather Mendoza]

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Directed by: Juan Bustillo Oro, Fernando de Fuentes
(171.64 Pts, 3 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–2
History: 98796259355209NA←NA
ICheckMovies: 85 Checks , 5 Favourites , 2 Official lists
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Mate_cosido (17)
Angel Glez (41)
Hunziker (NA)

#988(NEW) Hollywood (1980)
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Directed by: (empty)
(171.63 Pts, 5 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–1–1
History: 988129431303464NA←NA
ICheckMovies: 53 Checks , 15 Favourites , 0 Official lists
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brokenface (167)

#989(⇩249, #740) Otets i syn (2003)
[Father and Son]

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Directed by: Aleksandr Sokurov
(171.43 Pts, 5 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–0
History: 9897409031281NA←NA
ICheckMovies: 190 Checks , 10 Favourites , 0 Official lists
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#990(⇩24, #966) Gruppo di famiglia in un interno (1974)
[Conversation Piece]

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Directed by: Luchino Visconti
(171.38 Pts, 7 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–1
History: 9909661058563NA←NA
ICheckMovies: 298 Checks , 29 Favourites , 2 Official lists
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Post by Gershwin » October 24th, 2018, 7:43 pm

Bad drop for Father and Son. Such a beautiful film!
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#1047

Post by PeacefulAnarchy » October 24th, 2018, 7:56 pm

#991(⇩556, #435) Wo die grünen Ameisen träumen (1984)
[Where the Green Ants Dream]

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Directed by: Werner Herzog
(171.37 Pts, 7 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–2
History: 9914356621616NA←NA
ICheckMovies: 242 Checks , 15 Favourites , 2 Official lists
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Perception de Ambiguity (2524)

#992(⇩194, #798) Le joli mai (1963)
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Directed by: Chris Marker, Pierre Lhomme
(171.32 Pts, 8 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–1
History: 992798720745NA←NA
ICheckMovies: 177 Checks , 24 Favourites , 3 Official lists
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Dolwphin (43)
Gershwin (62)
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#993(NEW) A Warning to the Curious (1972)
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Directed by: (empty)
(171.31 Pts, 4 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–1–1
History: 993328376952557NA←NA
ICheckMovies: 221 Checks , 10 Favourites , 0 Official lists
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#994(NEW) Jimmy's Hall (2014)
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Directed by: Ken Loach
(171.02 Pts, 2 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–1–2
History: 9942211NANANA←NA
ICheckMovies: 296 Checks , 12 Favourites , 0 Official lists
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#995(⇩117, #878) Profumo di donna (1974)
[Scent of a Woman]

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Directed by: Dino Risi
(170.95 Pts, 5 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 1–1–1
History: 99587816141393NA←NA
ICheckMovies: 227 Checks , 14 Favourites , 1 Official list
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Post by flaiky » October 24th, 2018, 8:13 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
October 24th, 2018, 6:53 pm
#988(NEW) Hollywood (1980)
Directed by: (empty)
(171.63 Pts, 5 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–1–1
History: 988129431303464NA←NA
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Time for this to enter the list, please. Come on, aren't we meant to be film buffs?
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Post by OldAle1 » October 24th, 2018, 8:46 pm

flaiky wrote:
October 24th, 2018, 8:13 pm
PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
October 24th, 2018, 6:53 pm
#988(NEW) Hollywood (1980)
Directed by: (empty)
(171.63 Pts, 5 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–1–1
History: 988129431303464NA←NA
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Time for this to enter the list, please. Come on, aren't we meant to be film buffs?
I'm not sure how I missed that - in fact, I hadn't even checked it on icheckmovies, though I had it checked on IMDb. Saw it around 1990-91 or so, and then most of it again around 2012 I think. I'd like to see more documentaries-about-movies making the cut in general but this one probably more than any other. On my list for next year for sure.

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#1050

Post by PeacefulAnarchy » October 24th, 2018, 8:53 pm

#996(⇩100, #896) Homicidal (1961)
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Directed by: William Castle
(170.94 Pts, 7 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–1–1
History: 996896935982NA←NA
ICheckMovies: 365 Checks , 19 Favourites , 1 Official list
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Wonderful Rainbow (72)
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Leopardi (213)
Cocoa (348)

#997(NEW) Gymnopédies (1965)
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Directed by: Larry Jordan
(170.59 Pts, 6 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–1–1
History: 997129619192125NA←NA
ICheckMovies: 282 Checks , 5 Favourites , 1 Official list
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John Milton (72)
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Opio (175)
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#998(NEW) A Quiet Passion (2016)
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Directed by: Terence Davies
(170.34 Pts, 5 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–1–1
History: 998NANANANA←NA
ICheckMovies: 339 Checks , 22 Favourites , 1 Official list
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#999(⇩254, #745) Die Nashörner (1964)
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Directed by: Jan Lenica
(170 Pts, 5 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–2
History: 99974524112492NA←NA
ICheckMovies: 42 Checks , 3 Favourites , 0 Official lists
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#1000(NEW) Human Remains (1998)
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Directed by: Jay Rosenblatt
(169.97 Pts, 6 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–0
History: 1000569757715583NA←NA
ICheckMovies: 187 Checks , 21 Favourites , 1 Official list
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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » October 24th, 2018, 9:00 pm

Thanks for the results Peaceful. Do you have an estimated date of when the spreadsheet will become available?

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » October 24th, 2018, 10:34 pm

XxXApathy420XxX wrote:
October 24th, 2018, 9:00 pm
Thanks for the results Peaceful. Do you have an estimated date of when the spreadsheet will become available?
Let's say Sunday. If I haven't posted it by then quote me here to remind me.

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#1053

Post by sacmersault » October 24th, 2018, 10:51 pm

@PeacefulAnarchy Thanks for all the hard work!

Does anyone host the 500-1000 portion on icm? I'm more interested in a lot of of the movies there than the ones that did get in

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Post by Lilarcor » October 24th, 2018, 11:04 pm

Amazing work Peaceful, truly enjoyed this countdown.

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Post by Hunziker » October 24th, 2018, 11:20 pm

Jay Rosenblatt made it! :circle:

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Post by bal3x » October 24th, 2018, 11:45 pm

PA, many thanks for your effort, great work as usual!

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Post by weirdboy » October 24th, 2018, 11:46 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
October 24th, 2018, 7:56 pm
#991(⇩556, #435) Wo die grünen Ameisen träumen (1984)
[Where the Green Ants Dream]
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Directed by: Werner Herzog
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Perception de Ambiguity (2524)

Wow that's a pretty huge drop in ranking. What were the biggest gainers and losers?

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Post by Nathan Treadway » October 25th, 2018, 12:38 am

OldAle1 wrote:
October 24th, 2018, 8:46 pm
flaiky wrote:
October 24th, 2018, 8:13 pm
PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
October 24th, 2018, 6:53 pm
#988(NEW) Hollywood (1980)
Directed by: (empty)
(171.63 Pts, 5 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–1–1
History: 988129431303464NA←NA
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Time for this to enter the list, please. Come on, aren't we meant to be film buffs?
I'm not sure how I missed that - in fact, I hadn't even checked it on icheckmovies, though I had it checked on IMDb. Saw it around 1990-91 or so, and then most of it again around 2012 I think. I'd like to see more documentaries-about-movies making the cut in general but this one probably more than any other. On my list for next year for sure.
Partly because it's so damn hard to search for witout having the IMDb URL. Also, don't forget this when it comes DtC time! It was one of my nominees this year, but, it didn't get enough voters.

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Post by edward5 » October 25th, 2018, 12:41 am

World Cup Season 3 Match 1A to Match 2C

Match 1A
1CroatiaNe okreci se sine / My Son Don't Turn Round73 checks#397(NEW)
2Burkina FasoBuud Yam127 checks#507(NEW)
3RussiaKholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego / The Cold Summer of 1953295 checks#582(NEW)
4IranGavaznha / The Deer97 checks#534(NEW)
Match 1B
1ChinaMang jing / Blind Shaft224 checks#78(NEW)
2SpainArrebato / Rapture342 checks#18(+232, #250)
3FinlandKäpy selän alla / Skin, Skin136 checks#357(NEW)
4MalaysiaHei yan quan / I Don't Want to Sleep Alone470 checksIneligibility
Match 1C
1RomaniaPadurea spânzuratilor / Forest of the Hanged108 checks#725(+188, #913)
2HungaryMegáll az idö / Time Stands Still126 checks>1000
3Uruguay25 Watts214 checks#866(NEW)
4South KoreaSplash Splash Love41 checks>1000

1D to 2CShow
Match 1D
1FranceUne si jolie petite plage / Such a Pretty Little Beach203 checks#30(+96, #126)
2IndiaDabba / The Lunchbox1069 checksIneligibility
3MaliYeelen / Brightness806 checksIneligibility
4SerbiaPaviljon VI / Ward Six45 checks#783(NEW)
Match 1E
1CzechiaNeúplné zatmení / Incomplete Eclipse42 checks#693(NEW)
2BoliviaUkamau / And So It Is106 checks#675(+248, #923)
3AustraliaSamson and Delilah354 checks#412(NEW)
4LatviaMotociklu vasara40 checks#818(NEW)
Match 1F
1JapanSanbiki no samurai / Three Outlaw Samurai516 checksIneligibility
2LebanonWest Beyrouth (À l'abri les enfants)211 checks#572(NEW)
3TurkeyBulanti / Nausea126 checks#455(NEW)
4SwedenIngeborg Holm / Margaret Day402 checksIneligibility
Match 1G
1EnglandIce Cold in Alex339 checks#51(+3, #54)
2Hong KongTou ze / A Simple Life328 checks#46(NEW)
3BulgariaRitzar bez bronya / Knight Without Armour45 checks#759(NEW)
4ArgentinaLa casa del ángel / End of Innocence152 checks#703(NEW)
Match 1H
1GeorgiaPirosmani126 checks#106(NEW)
2TaiwanWo zhe yang guo le yi sheng / Kuei-mei, a Woman47 checks>1000
3PortugalRecordações da Casa Amarela / Recollections of the Yellow House233 checks#424(NEW)
4MoroccoLe grand voyage / The Great Journey227 checks>1000
Match 1I
1PolandConstans / The Constant Factor139 checks#425(NEW)
2USAThe Incident164 checks#67(+433, #500)
3PeruLa boca del lobo / In the Mouth of the Wolf62 checks>1000
4NetherlandsNe me quitte pas79 checks#427(NEW)
Match 1J
1GreeceO fovos / The Fear66 checks#44(+355, #399)
2MexicoMacario249 checks#48(+63, #111)
3Bosnia and HerzegovinaSjecas li se Dolly Bell? / Do You Remember Dolly Bell?311 checks#826(-188, #638)
4Thailand3669 checks>1000
Match 1K
1SwitzerlandReise der Hoffnung / Journey of Hope250 checks#137(+304, #441)
2BrazilLavoura Arcaica / To the Left of the Father201 checks#271(NEW)
3VietnamMùa len trâu / The Buffalo Boy80 checks>1000
4ItalyC'eravamo tanto amati / We All Loved Each Other So Much542 checksIneligibility
Match 1L
1GermanyIch war neunzehn / I Was Nineteen148 checks#85(NEW)
2AustriaDas finstere Tal / The Dark Valley280 checks#79(+251, #330)
3Dominican RepublicJean Gentil45 checks#568(NEW)
4CanadaLes bons debarras / Good Riddance112 checks>1000
Match 2A
1USAThe Last Command838 checksIneligibility
2FranceAlexandre le bienheureux / Alexander134 checks#66(NEW)
3TaiwanDao cao ren / Strawman56 checks#513(+304, #817)
Match 2B
1GreeceO drakos / The Ogre of Athens190 checks#447(+29, #476)
2SpainBelle Epoque / The Age of Beauty977 checksIneligibility
3BraziBicho de Sete Cabeças / Brainstorm477 checksIneligibility
Match 2C
1GermanyDas Kaninchen bin ich / The Rabbit Is Me83 checks#591(NEW)
2HungaryKörhinta / Merry-Go-Round153 checks>1000
3LebanonSous les bombes / Under the Bombs80 checks>1000

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Post by cayado-coro » October 25th, 2018, 8:13 pm

I had a wonderful time. Thanks PA. :poshclap:

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Post by beavis » October 26th, 2018, 8:36 am

As I have been watching a few very strong genre movies this Halloween month, I was wondering how this list would look like if we'd submit only genre movies. I know my list would be very different because I have far more 5-star arthouse movies than 4-star genre movies (It is just much easier with me for an arthouse movie to get 4 stars, but a genre movie has to be truly great to even get that…) so they tend to get left out. Now this is also what gives the 500<400 list its own unique character, so I'm not suggesting to actually skew the list towards genre, but it would be a nice experiment (for an unofficial poll for instance) to see what genre-gems might be hidden under the hidden gems :) wouldn't it?

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Post by Melvelet » October 26th, 2018, 8:44 am

beavis wrote:
October 26th, 2018, 8:36 am
As I have been watching a few very strong genre movies this Halloween month, I was wondering how this list would look like if we'd submit only genre movies. I know my list would be very different because I have far more 5-star arthouse movies than 4-star genre movies (It is just much easier with me for an arthouse movie to get 4 stars, but a genre movie has to be truly great to even get that…) so they tend to get left out. Now this is also what gives the 500<400 list its own unique character, so I'm not suggesting to actually skew the list towards genre, but it would be a nice experiment (for an unofficial poll for instance) to see what genre-gems might be hidden under the hidden gems :) wouldn't it?
Sounds cool actually :) Although we'd have to define what "genre movie" actually means

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Post by beavis » October 26th, 2018, 9:01 am

Melvelet wrote:
October 26th, 2018, 8:44 am
beavis wrote:
October 26th, 2018, 8:36 am
As I have been watching a few very strong genre movies this Halloween month, I was wondering how this list would look like if we'd submit only genre movies. I know my list would be very different because I have far more 5-star arthouse movies than 4-star genre movies (It is just much easier with me for an arthouse movie to get 4 stars, but a genre movie has to be truly great to even get that…) so they tend to get left out. Now this is also what gives the 500<400 list its own unique character, so I'm not suggesting to actually skew the list towards genre, but it would be a nice experiment (for an unofficial poll for instance) to see what genre-gems might be hidden under the hidden gems :) wouldn't it?
Sounds cool actually :) Although we'd have to define what "genre movie" actually means
If we leave that up to the discretion of the participants as always, I think it would work itself out. There is a lot of grey area between art and genre, and there are a lot of genre's, but the general aim would, at least to me, be pretty clear

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Post by joachimt » October 26th, 2018, 9:07 am

Is 1000<400 anywhere as an iCM-list?
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Post by cinewest » October 26th, 2018, 9:42 am

beavis wrote:
October 26th, 2018, 8:36 am
As I have been watching a few very strong genre movies this Halloween month, I was wondering how this list would look like if we'd submit only genre movies. I know my list would be very different because I have far more 5-star arthouse movies than 4-star genre movies (It is just much easier with me for an arthouse movie to get 4 stars, but a genre movie has to be truly great to even get that…) so they tend to get left out. Now this is also what gives the 500<400 list its own unique character, so I'm not suggesting to actually skew the list towards genre, but it would be a nice experiment (for an unofficial poll for instance) to see what genre-gems might be hidden under the hidden gems :) wouldn't it?
There are quite a few "genre" films on this list, whether we are talking 500 or 1000, and many are second and third tier in my OP, though I like the eclecticism they bring to the list, which would otherwise seem more dominated by arthouse movies from the late 50's to early 70's.
Hope to at least see a breakdown by decade, language, and directors with multiple entries eventually.

It's quite a mix, really, though most of my more contemporary art house submissions didn't make it

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Post by Nathan Treadway » October 26th, 2018, 12:53 pm

joachimt wrote:
October 26th, 2018, 9:07 am
Is 1000<400 anywhere as an iCM-list?
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/1000 ... adatriste/

To be honest, I don't think I've seen her around much of late? Last check a week ago, last active here about a month ago. Someone may need to message her.

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Post by Onderhond » October 26th, 2018, 1:16 pm

beavis wrote:
October 26th, 2018, 8:36 am
As I have been watching a few very strong genre movies this Halloween month, I was wondering how this list would look like if we'd submit only genre movies. I know my list would be very different because I have far more 5-star arthouse movies than 4-star genre movies (It is just much easier with me for an arthouse movie to get 4 stars, but a genre movie has to be truly great to even get that…) so they tend to get left out. Now this is also what gives the 500<400 list its own unique character, so I'm not suggesting to actually skew the list towards genre, but it would be a nice experiment (for an unofficial poll for instance) to see what genre-gems might be hidden under the hidden gems :) wouldn't it?
Maybe this could be more relevant in the genre-polls, which have a very similar problem. Many of the top films are core arthouse films with genre flavors, while the true genre films are at the bottom or completely neglected.

Drawing a line between true genre and arthouse/author is hard though.

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Post by OldAle1 » October 26th, 2018, 1:25 pm

"What is Bresson's genre? He doesn't have one. Bresson is Bresson. He is a genre in himself. Antonioni, Fellini, Bergman, Kurosawa, Dovzhenko, Vigo, Mizoguchi, Bunuel — each is identified with himself. The very concept of genre is as cold as the tomb. And is Chaplin — comedy? No: he is Chaplin, pure and simple; a unique phenomenon, never to be repeated."

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Post by Onderhond » October 26th, 2018, 1:31 pm

It's not impossible to have authors working in genres. But it's not uncommon for directors to put themselves or other directors on pedestals.

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Post by OldAle1 » October 26th, 2018, 1:35 pm

Sure. But I think what Tarkovsky is getting at is that once you say to yourself or your audience "this is a genre film (or genre novel, play, etc)" you are inherently limiting your potential, limiting yourself to certain conventions rather than being truly original. I don't necessarily agree with this myself but it's a fairly compelling argument at the same time, given my own tastes - very few of my favorite films that can be called genre films - including Tarkovsky's two SF films - are *ONLY* genre films, and the best genre films are typically those that stretch the boundaries and are not too beholden to received notions of what their genre elements should be.

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Post by beavis » October 26th, 2018, 1:48 pm

This debate is old and will never be resolved. I only meant that movies usually considered arthouse tend to speak to me in a personal way, either esthetically or because of what is shown, they move me, get high marks, end up on toplists etc. But i am also very much interested in cinema usually named genre, you could also call it cult. Also esthetically, but in a more entertaining way. Also moving, but in a more transgressive way. They do sometimes end up on toplists. And indeed the 500<400 has a few fine examples on it but (and maybe this is because i have so many <400 movies to choose from myself) on my personal list only a handfull of the very best made it while many other fine examples don't (you don't include your 8's when you've already got hundreds marked higher). I do realise this might not be so in general, but the idea of a genre hidden gems list came to me, and struck me as interesting (sadly, or luckily, i don't know how to organise such a poll... :))

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Post by Onderhond » October 26th, 2018, 1:50 pm

I think there is value in both approaches. Limiting yourself can lead to greater creativity. It can allow you to pay more attention to details, while opening things up may lead to greater originality, but less polished results. Sometimes it's nice to be surprised by films, sometimes you just want something familiar. The problem is that when I'm looking through genre lists, I'm usually looking for the latter (ie familiarity) while most lists are aimed at the former.

Rating-wise, I'm in your camp too. Great genre films usually get 4* ratings, my 5* ratings are reserved for genre + author (not so much genre + arthouse).

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Post by albajos » October 26th, 2018, 1:53 pm

Sci-Fi isn't neccessary a genre film. Sometimes it just a location, but the rest of it might as well be Hamlet.

Genere movies are movies that contain elements that normally pad the runtime. Musicals need numbers, Action need explosions, Comedy needs slapstick.

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Post by Fergenaprido » October 26th, 2018, 5:20 pm

So is genre anything that's not drama?

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Post by weirdboy » October 26th, 2018, 7:03 pm

Would that make documentary a "genre" film?

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Post by flaiky » October 26th, 2018, 8:41 pm

albajos wrote:
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Sci-Fi isn't neccessary a genre film. Sometimes it just a location, but the rest of it might as well be Hamlet.

Genere movies are movies that contain elements that normally pad the runtime. Musicals need numbers, Action need explosions, Comedy needs slapstick.
I think they are films that firmly indulge in all the expectations of their genre - but I've never considered musicals or comedies to be "genre films". It's just the way the term has evolved: it implies horror/action/sci-fi/fantasy and maybe sometimes western and noir (now that I think about it, the stereotypically "manly genres").
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Post by albajos » October 26th, 2018, 8:51 pm

But there are difference in comedies. When Harry met Sally where everything is through dialogue vs movies where people fall down a lot. There difference is what they try to do, slapstick doesn't try to be anything else than a comedy.

Western and Sci-Fi doesn't have to be a "genre film", as the genre just specify the time and/or place where it's set. There are tropes in these genres, but they doesn't really define every movie.

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Post by flaiky » October 26th, 2018, 9:30 pm

Yeah we agree, it should fully indulge in the genre not just have a few elements. Brokeback Mountain isn't a western just because they wear cowboy hats. But even the purest slapstick or the purest musical wouldn't qualify for my understanding of a "genre film". As a back up, this Variety article "25 Genre Films That Should Have Been Nominated for Best Picture " is limited to sci fi, horror, and thriller.
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Post by Onderhond » October 26th, 2018, 9:41 pm

flaiky wrote:
October 26th, 2018, 8:41 pm
but I've never considered musicals or comedies to be "genre films". It's just the way the term has evolved: it implies horror/action/sci-fi/fantasy and maybe sometimes western and noir (now that I think about it, the stereotypically "manly genres").
Depends on which circles you frequent I think. Romantic comedies are typical genre films. Musicals too. So are the core comedies (Adam Sandler stuff, The Farrelly Brothers, ...)
Of course there are big horror and scifi mafias (not necessarily on this forum) that make more noise than others (and that tend to look down on other, often more female-oriented genres). Doesn't make them any less examples of genre films though.

Even within the drama genre you have films that are more typical than others, though mostly TV dramas.

And as with everything, there are more grey areas than there are films that truly answer to all the tropes of a typical genre.
But hey, when a film starts with a bunch of kids in car, driving through a forest, going to a hiking spot or cabin, possibly stopping at a gas station ... you've got to be a pretty big rookie not to know what's going to happen next :)

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Post by Opio » October 27th, 2018, 2:04 am

Onderhond wrote:
October 26th, 2018, 1:50 pm
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...my 5* ratings are reserved for genre + author (not so much genre + arthouse).
What is the difference here? Is it just that "arthouse" is pejorative?

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