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Year-by-Year Polls: 1991

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Post by jdidaco » September 30th, 2018, 2:32 am

Hi JD,I hope you are having a good weekend,and after recently having seen her 1957 run,I was wondering how you found Moreau in Anna Karamazoff to be?
Hello morrison! I believe Moreau hated the experience of working with director Khamdamov on 'Anna Karamazoff' to the point where she entered into a nasty dispute with him and the film's French producer, Serge Silberman, since its stormy debut at Cannes - hence why the film has sit in a limbo, and has rarely been seen in a cinema (apparently because Khamdamov chose to include into the film's already intricate fabric, the entire footage of an earlier unfinished film, unbeknownst to the actress!).

And it's all a pity, really, because Moreau is magnificent, lending her iconic image and imposing presence, allowing herself to be part of the puzzle and mystery - the mysteries and vagaries of love, deception and solitude (and several other catastrophes) -, plus a film absolutely aligned with the early 90s collapse (the "zero hour"), its final words still echoing: "Fire! Amen! Disappear!" (I should see 'Les louves', hopefully soon!)

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Post by jdidaco » September 30th, 2018, 2:55 am

Roger wrote:Particularly interested in these five that I've picked out. I think I have a copy of the Schroeter film to hand so I might try to see that tonight/tomorrow before finalising my ballot.
Hello, Roger! I'm sure you'll find something worthy in all of those, including Schroeter/Huppert's disturbing first collaboration (although if I was asked to guess which one you would particularly like I would say Kavun's bleak vision of childhood...).

I just noticed something - yes, 'Ärasõit' is one of my favorite pieces of Estonian animation, so rich in details, so formally daring; ex-Soviet animators were very depressed and angry too in 1991! I should put it it on my list (if I knew which title to take off :think: ); thanks for reminding me of it!

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Post by Rufus-T » September 30th, 2018, 4:33 am

1. Raise the Red Lantern
2. JFK
3. The Silence of the Lambs
4. What About Bob?
5. The Man in the Moon
6. Doc Hollywood
7. Boyz n the Hood
8. Father of the Bride
9. Beauty and the Beast
10. Career Opportunities
11. 35 Up
12. The Commitments
13. City Slickers
14. Bugsy
15. Double Life of Veronique
16. Barton Fink
17. My Girl
18. Pushing Hands
19. Cape Fear
20. Thelma & Louise

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Post by RogerTheMovieManiac88 » September 30th, 2018, 8:46 am

jdidaco wrote:
September 30th, 2018, 2:55 am
I just noticed something - yes, 'Ärasõit' is one of my favorite pieces of Estonian animation, so rich in details, so formally daring; ex-Soviet animators were very depressed and angry too in 1991! I should put it it on my list (if I knew which title to take off :think: ); thanks for reminding me of it!
Yes, this Estonian animation is a dark little marvel. The idea of compartmentalising and opening from what has gone before that others such as Schwizgebel incorporated into their animations seems so fitting for such a pondering of ills, interactions and failings as the carriages whirl nightmarishly through this landscape of broken down existences and uncertainty. Such disorientating detail on show. A real sense of a grimy, grasping societal despair and all-damaging malaise and decay permeates every grubbily meticulous pore. Some of the visual allusions might be a little over-obvious but the surrealistic flow and incisiveness is quite something to behold and ponder. One I was very glad to discover this month!
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Post by perceval » September 30th, 2018, 9:49 am

1. Three Days (Sharunas Bartas)
2. Hear My Cry (Maciej J. Drygas)
3. A Child's Garden and the Serious Sea (Stan Brakhage)
4. Germany Year 90 Nine Zero (Jean-Luc Godard)
5. The Lover's of Pont-Neuf (Leos Carax)
6. Time Being (Gunvor Nelson)

7. Aspen (Frederick Wiseman)
8. Les antiquités de Rome (Jean-Claude Rousseau)
9. Only Yesterday (Isao Takahata)
10. A Brighter Summer Day (Edward Yang)
11. Die Nordkalotte (Peter Nestler)
12. Van Gogh (Maurice Pialat)

13. In Titan's Goblet (Peter B Hutton)
14. Babel - A Letter to My Friends Left Behind in Belgium (Boris Lehman)
15. La belle noiseuse (Jacques Rivette)
16. Slacker (Richard Linklater)
17. Delicacies of Molten Horror Synapse (Stan Brakhage)
18. World of Glory (Roy Andersson)

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Post by lynchs » September 30th, 2018, 1:34 pm

jdidaco wrote:
September 30th, 2018, 1:01 am
1. Royaume (Hurtado/Hurtado)
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Post by RogerTheMovieManiac88 » September 30th, 2018, 2:05 pm

20 I admire from 1991 (loosely ranked):

01. 'Life on a String' - Chen Kaige
02. 'Ärasõit' - Heiki Ernits
03. 'Mburucuyá, cuadros de la naturaleza' - Jorge Acha
04. 'The Shepherd and the Women' - Aly Badrakhan
05. 'Kingikratt' - Aarne Ahi
06. 'Body Beautiful' - Joanna Quinn
07. 'Sabbath' - Ernest Ansorge, Gisèle Ansorge
08. 'Entre deux soeurs' - Caroline Leaf
09. 'Rear Window' - Ernie Gehr
10. 'The Visible Compendium' - Larry Jordan
11. 'Robotrix' - Jamie Luk
12. 'Terminator 2: Judgment Day' - James Cameron
13. 'Papa, umer Ded Moroz' - Yevgeny Yufit
14. 'Malina' - Werner Schroeter
15. 'JFK' - Oliver Stone
16. 'Toto le héros' - Jaco Van Dormael
17. 'Raise the Red Lantern' - Zhang Yimou
18. 'A Woman's Tale' - Paul Cox
19. 'Reci, reci, reci...' - Michaela Pavlátová
20. 'Merci la vie' - Bertrand Blier

Thanks for hosting, OldAle! Looking forward to seeing how the results pan out.

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Post by cayado-coro » September 30th, 2018, 2:40 pm

La belle noiseuse (Rivette)
Bugsy (Levinson)
City of Hope (Sayles)
Heat Wave (Gosha)
Jacquot (Varda)
JFK (Stone)
Johnny Stecchino (Benigni)
Jungle Fever (Lee)
Lovers (Aranda)
The Lovers on the Bridge (Carax)
The Man in the Moon (Mulligan)
The Ox (Nykvist)
A Plea to God (Brocka)
The Prince of Tides (Streisand)
Riff-Raff (Loach)
The Silence of the Lambs (Demme)
The Stranger (Ray)
Toto the Hero (Van Dormael)
Van Gogh (Pialat)
Woman of the Port (Ripstein)

(unranked)

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Post by OldAle1 » September 30th, 2018, 5:35 pm

timshelboy wrote:
September 29th, 2018, 5:33 am

Hi Oldale

I didn't even know there was a weekly thread or where to find it (I don't find navigating this site very easy) but a thread on imdb2 has showed me the way so i'll try to spend some time there...

You (or other imdb1 refugees) might be interested in this "where are they now..." thread about old imdb posters on imdb2

http://imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/4533 ... ers?page=8

Best of 57 predictions ????

Well neither of us would need a judge and jury to help us name the starting front runner here - Lumet's widely seen and rightly lauded liberal drama - splendid use of single set and magnificent cast at the top of their game.

If Foreignia more valued here than on old classic board as you say then I'm guessing THRONE OF BLOOD, CABIRIA and WHITE NIGHTS will place highly. EDIT and the two Bergman offerings mentioned by opio upthread

SWEET SMELL OF SUCCESS and PATHS OF GLORY are much admired generally - and I'm guessing both will make top 10 (although they'll only get HMs from me)

Wilder's Christie adaptation is widely seen so might do OK too. Ditto the Sturges western.

FUNNY FACE leads a batch of above par musicals (PAL JOEY, PAJAMA GAME, SILK STOCKINGS) but can any of them break the genre curse on CFB ballots?

Good ones that may of flown under the radar - if folk looking to add to their viewing schedules - include

ABANDON SHIP/SEVEN WAVES AWAY - grim but gripping overcrowded lifeboat drama, with Tyrone Power getting one of his best roles as skipper deciding which passengers take an early bath to ensure boat does not sink

NO DOWN PAYMENT -slick soaper about 4 young married couples in new housing development, rape and racism among the subplots.

LES ESPIONS - terrific thriller from Clouzot with Ustinov and delicious Martita Hunt amongst bizarre collection of shady characers up to no good in an asylum....

CHINA GATE - my favourite Fuller - a war drama with sexy Angie Dickinson and Nat King Cole among the troops... :rolleyes:

THE SEVENTH SIN - THE PAINTED VEIL remake with strong turns from Eleanor Parker and ideally cast George Sanders as Maugham character/narrator

JUSQUE AU DERNIER - neat "thieves fall out" thriller with exotic circus setting and early J Moreau "comforting" the gang....
Hiya again tim. I suspect Bergman will come out on top for '57 with Kubrick close behind though it may be that the Lumet will triumph - I still can't always predict this crowd like I could the CFB.

I'll check out that link you posted. This is the only place I've been regularly posting for movies, it's worked ok for me though I certainly miss a lot of the old gang. But many of the forums that others were pimping last February looked like they might be as troll-prone as the old forum and that was not for me. This place might have a few folks I don't have much in common with and a few personalities that I don't jibe with or don't jibe with me, but there aren't any trolls or real meanness and that's a huge part of what's important to me now.

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Post by OldAle1 » September 30th, 2018, 5:37 pm

OH and for everybody, I'm going to keep this open at least one more full day - until midnight end of Monday/beginning of Tuesday CST let's say - because I want to get in a couple more viewings myself and also have to watch a couple more for the challenges today. Goddamn I've been expecting too much out of myself this year, movie-wise. I'm glad there are only 3 months to go.

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Post by albajos » September 30th, 2018, 5:42 pm

Yes, so go see Drop Dead Fred everyone!

or maybe not

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Post by joachimt » September 30th, 2018, 5:49 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
September 30th, 2018, 5:35 pm
I suspect Bergman will come out on top for '57 with Kubrick close behind though it may be that the Lumet will triumph - I still can't always predict this crowd like I could the CFB.
These are all the 1957-films in the order they appear in the latest edition of this forum's favorites list.
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12 Angry Men
Paths of Glory
Det sjunde inseglet
Smultronstället
Letyat zhuravli
The Bridge on the River Kwai
Witness for the Prosecution
Sweet Smell of Success
Kumonosu-jô
Kanal
Le notti di Cabiria
A Face in the Crowd
The Incredible Shrinking Man
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Post by OldAle1 » September 30th, 2018, 5:54 pm

Not surprising. I figured the top 4 are easy, the order is what may change. I'd have to re-watch the Lumet again, as it is it won't be on my list, or not in the top 10 anyway. Since Paths of Glory is in my all-time top 20 I'll be rooting for it though I have plenty to see from that year that might contend for a high place. Or things I need to see again like Letyat zhuravli.

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Post by ororama » October 1st, 2018, 12:20 am

1. 35 Up (Michael Apted)
2. The Road to the Racetrack (Jang Sun-Woo)
3. Black Robe (Bruce Beresford)
4. Only Yesterday (Isao Takahata)
5. Raise the Red Lantern (Zhang Yimou)
6. The Silence of the Lambs (Jonathan Demme)
7. The Commitments (Alan Parker)
8. Terminator 2: Judgment Day (James Cameron)
9. A Rage in Harlem (Bill Duke)
10. Prison on Fire II (Ringo Lam)
11. Prime Suspect (Christopher Menaul)
12. Barton Fink (Joel Coen, Ethan Coen)
13. Blue Lightning (Raymond Lee)
14. Only the Lonely (Chris Columbus)
15. Sólo con Tu Pareja (Alfonso Cuarón)
16. Beauty and the Beast (Gary Trousdale, Kirk Wise)
17. Naked Lunch (David Cronenberg)
18. A Brief History of Time (Errol Morris)
19. My Own Private Idaho (Gus Van Sant)
20. The Adjuster (Atom Egoyan)

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Post by morrison-dylan-fan » October 1st, 2018, 10:48 am

ororama wrote:
October 1st, 2018, 12:20 am
1. 35 Up (Michael Apted)
2. The Road to the Racetrack (Jang Sun-Woo)
3. Black Robe (Bruce Beresford)
4. Only Yesterday (Isao Takahata)
5. Raise the Red Lantern (Zhang Yimou)
6. The Silence of the Lambs (Jonathan Demme)
7. The Commitments (Alan Parker)
8. Terminator 2: Judgment Day (James Cameron)
9. A Rage in Harlem (Bill Duke)
10. Prison on Fire II (Ringo Lam)
11. Prime Suspect (Christopher Menaul)
12. Barton Fink (Joel Coen, Ethan Coen)
13. Blue Lightning (Raymond Lee)
14. Only the Lonely (Chris Columbus)
15. Sólo con Tu Pareja (Alfonso Cuarón)
16. Beauty and the Beast (Gary Trousdale, Kirk Wise)
17. Naked Lunch (David Cronenberg)
18. A Brief History of Time (Errol Morris)
19. My Own Private Idaho (Gus Van Sant)
20. The Adjuster (Atom Egoyan)
Hi ororama! How did you find Prison on Fire 2 to be,and have you seen Lam's other '91 film?

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Post by Melvelet » October 1st, 2018, 11:15 am

If it's not too late:

1. Barton Fink
2. A Scene at the Sea
3. Raise the Red Lantern
4. Les Amants du Pont-Neuf
5. Terminator 2: Judgment Day
6. Center Stage
7. The Silence of the Lambs
8. Naked Lunch
9. Delicatessen
10. March Comes in Like a Lion

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Post by farne » October 1st, 2018, 9:34 pm

Hey OldAle. Thanks for running this one.

1. G.B.H. (TV) (Robert Young)
2. The Silence of the Lambs (Jonathan Demme)
3. The Fisher King (Terry Gilliam)
4. Proof (Jocelyn Moorhouse)
5. Hear My Song (Peter Chelsom)
6. Barton Fink (Ethan Coen, Joel Coen)
7. Let Him Have It (Peter Medak)
8. Terminator 2: Judgement Day (James Cameron)
9. Close My Eyes (Stephen Poliakoff) 
10. The Sandman (Paul Berry)
11. Thelma & Louise (Ridley Scott)
12. Delicatessen (Marc Caro and Jean-Pierre Jeunet)
13. La Belle Noiseuse (Jacques Rivette)
14. The Commitments (Alan Parker)
15. Da hong deng long gao gao gua - Raise the Red Lantern (Zhang Yimou)
16. American Friends (Tristram Powell)
17. An American Tail: Fievel Goes West (Phil Nibbelink, Simon Wells)
18. La Double vie de Veronique - The Double Life of Veronique (Krzysztof Kieslowski)
19. Cape Fear (Martin Scorsese)
20. The Addams Family (Barry Sonnenfeld)

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Post by OldAle1 » October 2nd, 2018, 12:44 am

Gonna close this up in 5-6 hours or whenever I post my own list, FYI.

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Post by ororama » October 2nd, 2018, 11:17 am

morrison-dylan-fan wrote:
October 1st, 2018, 10:48 am
Hi ororama! How did you find Prison on Fire 2 to be,and have you seen Lam's other '91 film?
I liked it a lot, although considerably less than Prison on Fire. The relaxed, easy friendship between Chow and the mainland gang leader while they are out of prison was unexpected, and an interesting change of pace. Even Lam's comedies seem focused on action and intense relationships.

I haven't seen Touch and Go.

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Post by OldAle1 » October 2nd, 2018, 2:13 pm

OK, here we go -

1. Gu ling jie shao nian sha ren shi jian / A Brighter Summer Day (Edward Yang)
2. Defending Your Life (Albert Brooks)
3. Les amants du Pont-Neuf / The Lovers on the Bridge (Leos Carax)
4. Ruan Lingyu / Actress / Center Stage (Stanley Kwan)
5. Mosaferan / Travellers (Bahram Beizai)
6. Naked Lunch (David Cronenberg)
7. Daughters of the Dust (Julie Dash)
8. Mburucuyá, cuadros de la naturaleza (Jorge Acha)
9. Prospero's Books (Peter Greenaway)

10. Jungle Fever (Spike Lee)
11. Omohide poro poro / Only Yesterday (Isao Takahata)
12. Hangin' with the Homeboys (Joseph P. Vasquez)
13. Entre deux soeurs / Two Sisters (Caroline Leaf)
14. La belle noiseuse (Jacques Rivette)
15. The Adjuster (Atom Egoyan)
16. Jacquot de Nantes (Agnès Varda)
17. Ambition (Hal Hartley)
18. Cairo As Seen by Chahine (Youssef Chahine)
19. The Rocketeer (Joe Johnston)
20. Allemagne 90 neuf zéro / Germany Year 90 nine zero (Jean-Luc Godard)

HONORABLE MENTION:

Barton Fink
Beauty and the Beast
Da hong deng long gao gao gua / Raise the Red Lantern
Dead Again
La double vie de Véronique / The Double Life of Veronique
Edward II
L'enfant et le caïman / The Child and the Cayman
Europa / Zentropa
Father Christmas
The Fisher King
Flirting
Impromptu
Konec stalinismu v Cechách / The Death of Stalinism in Bohemia
Let Him Have It
Lyrisch nitraat / Lyrical Nitrate
The Man in the Moon
My Own Private Idaho
Nuit et jour / Night and Day
A Rage in Harlem
Rambling Rose
The Rapture
Rear Window
The Sandman
Shakes the Clown
Terminator II: Judgment Day
Thelma & Louise
William Burroughs: Thanksgiving Prayer
Wong fei Hung / Once Upon a Time in China


COMMENT

Though the #1 film in my list has been ensconced in my all-time top 10 since I first saw it in 1997, and #s 2 and 3 remain safely in my top 100, I can't say that overall this year is any better than any other in the 90s, and in fact I've probably seen fewer really memorable films than from most other years in it's vicinity - and an awful lot of my also-rans are shorts that I've seen fairly recently. Certainly a great year for Chinese cinemas - and I have much to see - and a good year for the middle east, and for independent, often minority American filmmakers. Not such a great year for big-budget Hollywood, but then that's been true for most of the last 40+ years.

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Post by OldAle1 » October 2nd, 2018, 2:14 pm

OK this poll is officially vertig. I hope to get to counting and such today or tomorrow, and have the results this weekend sometime.

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Post by mathiasa » October 2nd, 2018, 10:15 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
October 2nd, 2018, 2:14 pm
OK this poll is officially vertig. I hope to get to counting and such today or tomorrow, and have the results this weekend sometime.
I think you mean fertig. Anyway, I made a background check and found out that backdoor virus in the HTML form caused some nominations to get corrupted. I calculated the differences so you can simply do this to your computations: Add 24 points and 3 voters to Cool as Ice, -17 points and -2 voters from Delicatessen and -8 voters and -1 voter to Naked Lunch.

Very strange that a virus would do that - I already informed Dr. Norton.

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Post by Jimi Antiloop » October 8th, 2018, 12:12 pm

results?

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Post by OldAle1 » October 8th, 2018, 3:26 pm

Sorry, still in progress. Not today but hopefully tomorrow.

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Post by morrison-dylan-fan » October 14th, 2018, 5:09 pm

Hi Ale,I was wondering if you will be posting the results soon? Thanks.

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Post by OldAle1 » October 14th, 2018, 5:12 pm

Soon. 2 problems - distraction over feeling compelled to watch so many horror films, and some eyestrain from looking at lists & compiling. I'm probably at the point where I need glasses now and trying to do this has been harder on my eyes than anything. I'm working on this right now actually but I'll have to be gone most of today, so I'm sure it won't get posted until tomorrow at least. Sorry for the delays everybody, poor planning on my part more than anything.

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Post by Melvelet » October 14th, 2018, 5:22 pm

Maybe the Year-by-year polls should also be done with IMDb/ICM lists and automatized scripts?

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Post by joachimt » October 14th, 2018, 7:00 pm

Melvelet wrote:
October 14th, 2018, 5:22 pm
Maybe the Year-by-year polls should also be done with IMDb/ICM lists and automatized scripts?
I've been thinking this since the first of these polls on this forum. I really wouldn't want to collect votes this way. People are using different titles for the same movie. The host probably has to figure out quite often which title something actually is on IMDb. Etc... etc...
There are tools for this, guys. You know that?
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Post by flaiky » October 14th, 2018, 8:36 pm

Melvelet wrote:
October 14th, 2018, 5:22 pm
Maybe the Year-by-year polls should also be done with IMDb/ICM lists and automatized scripts?
I was actually thinking of giving it a go next time I host. The manual tallying is really quite tedious.
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Post by flaiky » October 14th, 2018, 8:38 pm

joachimt wrote:
October 14th, 2018, 7:00 pm
Melvelet wrote:
October 14th, 2018, 5:22 pm
Maybe the Year-by-year polls should also be done with IMDb/ICM lists and automatized scripts?
I've been thinking this since the first of these polls on this forum. I really wouldn't want to collect votes this way. People are using different titles for the same movie. The host probably has to figure out quite often which title something actually is on IMDb. Etc... etc...
There are tools for this, guys. You know that?
I guess we've hung on to it out of respect for the traditional format, in which everyone's ballot is out in the open. But we can always ask people to make a list and write out their ballot - with a maximum of 20 titles it won't take long to do both.
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Post by gromit82 » October 15th, 2018, 12:00 am

Melvelet wrote:
October 14th, 2018, 5:22 pm
Maybe the Year-by-year polls should also be done with IMDb/ICM lists and automatized scripts?
The more I think about it, the more this seems like a good idea. I'm going to take a look at the scripts this forum has and see if they will work, or can be adapted, for our polls.

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Post by gromit82 » October 15th, 2018, 3:33 am

Is it possible to download ICM lists without a paid subscription there?

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Post by Melvelet » October 15th, 2018, 8:08 am

gromit82 wrote:
October 15th, 2018, 3:33 am
Is it possible to download ICM lists without a paid subscription there?
Using the ICM Enhanced Skript (you need an addon like Violentmonkey for your browser) which also adds other useful functionality:
https://greasyfork.org/de/scripts/11541 ... s-enhanced

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Post by joachimt » October 15th, 2018, 11:36 am

The script needs to be rewritten for these year-by-year-polls though. The script is written for the use of a half-life system.

But even without a script it would be easier if everyone makes IMDb- or iCM-lists. That way you could automate a lot of the calculations using the IMDb-urls.
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Post by flaiky » October 15th, 2018, 10:41 pm

joachimt wrote:
October 15th, 2018, 11:36 am
The script needs to be rewritten for these year-by-year-polls though. The script is written for the use of a half-life system.

But even without a script it would be easier if everyone makes IMDb- or iCM-lists. That way you could automate a lot of the calculations using the IMDb-urls.
Oh yeah of course, different scoring methods...

I wouldn't have a clue how to do the last thing you said without some more clarification/help, but any of that would definitely be appreciated.
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Post by joachimt » October 16th, 2018, 4:45 am

flaiky wrote:
October 15th, 2018, 10:41 pm
joachimt wrote:
October 15th, 2018, 11:36 am
The script needs to be rewritten for these year-by-year-polls though. The script is written for the use of a half-life system.

But even without a script it would be easier if everyone makes IMDb- or iCM-lists. That way you could automate a lot of the calculations using the IMDb-urls.
Oh yeah of course, different scoring methods...

I wouldn't have a clue how to do the last thing you said without some more clarification/help, but any of that would definitely be appreciated.
You can ask mjf314 if he can change the filmcounter-script to this scoring system. If he's not willing to do that, I think I might be able to make a spreadsheet.
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Post by OldAle1 » October 16th, 2018, 2:56 pm

I have mixed feelings about this proposal; on the one hand, it will make things much easier in many respects on the host, and screenshots are nice I guess though they have never been that big a deal to me. But I think I'm in a small minority on that issue.

On the negative - or potentially negative - a couple of issues. First, there have been a number of contributors to this poll - many but not all folks who used to participate back when I (or Lech, or zolaaar) ran it back on the IMDb Classics Board, and some of these folks have not been participating in other polls on this forum, in part perhaps because they don't want to create IMDb or icm lists. They might not join in if we change the format and I'd hate to lose them. I'm not keen on creating a whole bunch of new lists for IMDb/icm myself in part because they'd change with some frequency, and because IMDb changes the fucking dates around all the time - something I noticed more in counting this poll than in a lot of them.

And that brings up the other problem, which is that in downloading lists automatically we might be more prone to errors - lots of votes being allowed for ineligible films for example. This is again something where I might be in the minority - I hate for example seeing films that are clearly not Japanese on a Japanese poll, clearly not from the middle east on a middle east poll, definitely not science fiction but in the results for the SF poll, etc. Obviously much of this is open to interpretation but I suppose it seems to me more likely that ineligible films would slip through and corrupt the list, and...

I'm being silly, I know. And I'm being old and not wanting to get with the program of the new forum, new ways of doing things. I'm also a pretty slow learner when it comes to some of this stuff and so I don't know that I enjoy the prospect of having to figure out how to do it all over again in a new way.

And the last part is that what I enjoyed about doing the polls on IMDb and have enjoyed here is the discussion mostly, and I worry that discussion may be even less likely if we change systems - but then when I think about it, it's always been rather erratic as to whether people wanted to actually make comments or just post their lists (and then whine about it when their favorites didn't come out well of course - THAT part of discussion will always happen). So all I can say to anybody doing these polls in the future is that what makes them worthwhile to me and I hope a few others is not just generating a big list of names and numbers, but something about what those names and numbers mean in the context of that year or era.

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Post by joachimt » October 16th, 2018, 5:17 pm

I don't think you entirely understand the offer. I'm not suggesting to change the whole workflow to the way we do other polls here. If you don't want a countdown with screenshots etc... that's fine with me. I was only talking about calculating the results. For that you have three choices, I think:

1. Keep doing what you're doing now. People post there list of titles. Some people post English titles, other original titles, etc... Often a hassle to figure out which is which, I guess. And then you manually assign points to each movie (not sure if you already automated some of this process).

2. Demand from voters that they include IMDb-urls in their submission. This doesn't mean they should create an IMDb-list, but just post the urls of the movies as well. That way you easily copy the urls to Excel and have some formula calculate the results.

3. Demand from voters that they submit a list on iCM or IMDb and ask mjf314 to rewrite the script.

In all cases you end up with a list. You are free to have a countdown with that the way you like or just post the list completely at once. The calculation-process doesn't determine how you present the results.
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Post by OldAle1 » October 16th, 2018, 5:25 pm

Ah OK that's more clear. Well, I'm only one of the people involved and I don't know how involved I will be in the short term so I'm ok with whatever happens, really.

Really I was just grousing about things in general, which hasn't so much to do with this particular poll or even this forum overall, but more the state of our Facebook-Twitter world in which lists and short bitchy comments have taken the place of anything more meaningful all too often. But to grouse about that in the context of a thread that's actually about lists is pretty silly I suppose.

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Post by insomnius » October 16th, 2018, 5:57 pm

FWIW, IMO the appeal of this poll, as opposed to every other poll on the forum, is the ability to just scroll through the thread and see everyone's list instead of just a bunch of links. I'd be sad to see that change, though I get that your suggestion would make it a lot easier on the pollmeister in charge.

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