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Post by mightysparks » July 22nd, 2011, 6:59 pm

Ok, from a suggestion by Cippenham: to make a Favourites List based on movies not on any current iCM lists. The original suggestion was for each person to nominate 2 movies.

So before we get started on making a list, I think we should set up some sort of guidelines.

- Is 2 movies per person enough?
- Do we want the list to have a set amount (eg a Top 50, Top 100), or will we include every movie nominated?
- What kind of ranking system do we want to use? Or do we just want it in alphabetical order or something?

The list on IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/list/e3SUr3Jwb5A/

The list so far:
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So This is Love (1953, Gordon Douglas)
Museum Highlights (1989, Andrea Fraser) - not on imdb
Artificial Light (Hollis Frampton, 1969)
Skizbe (Artavazd Peleshyan)
Tenshi no tamago (Mamoru Oshii/1985)
De Minder gelukkige terugkeer van Joszef Katus naar het land van Rembrandt (Wim Verstappen/1966)
Supercop (Stanley Tong, 1992)
Broken Flowers (Jim Jarmusch, 2005)
La 317ème section
California Split
From Russia with Love 1963
Brewster's Millions 1985
Voor een verloren soldaat (1992)
Last Night (1998)
Running on Empty 1988
Reign Over Me 2007
Proof (J. Moorhouse, 1991)
Dirty Pretty Things (Frears, 2002)
Fearless (Peter Weir, 1993)
Przypadek / Blind Chance (Krzysztof Kieslowski, 1981)
Duze zwierze aka The Big Animal (2000)
Stevie (2002)
Los cronocrímenes (2007)
Falling Down (1993)
Labyrinth (1986)
Trading Places (1983)
Baron Prásil aka Baron Munchausen (1962)
Wake in Fright (1971)
The Gift (2000)
The Basketball Diaries (1995)
Before the Devil Knows You're Dead (2007)
Hadewijch (2009)
Staplerfahrer Klaus - Der erste Arbeitstag (2000)
Lift (2002)
At Sea (2007)
False Aging (2008)
Men with Guns (1997)
L'ours (The Bear) (1988)
Images (1972)
Night Nurse (1931)
Tro, Håb, og Kærlighed
Transamerica
O assalto ao trem pagador (1962)
Revolutionary road (2008)
Mongolian ping pong (China 2005)
Land of plenty (2004)
Play it Again, Sam (Woody Allen)
Stardust Memories (Woody Allen)
Galaxy Express 999 (1979)
Summer Time Machine Blues (2005)
Szürkület/Twilight (György Fehér, 1990)
Il deserto dei Tartari (Zurlini 1976)
Neotpravlennoye pismo (1959)
Brink of Life (1958)
Mysteries of Lisbon
Pastoral: To Die in the Country
Stardust (2007) Matthew Vaughn
Fracture (2007) Gregory Hoblit
La vie de bohème (1992) Aki Kaurismaki
To Live and Die in L.A. (1985) William Friedkin
Sympathy for Lady Vengeance (Chan-wook Park, 2005)
Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance (Chan-wook Park, 2002)
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#2

Post by AdamH » July 22nd, 2011, 7:00 pm

I say that IMDb lists don't count towards this. So a film has to be in a proper ICM list (that won't change daily) to be excluded.

I think this will be interest.

P.S. No mafia films allowed ;) Or we could for an iCM forum mafia?
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » July 22nd, 2011, 7:08 pm

mightysparks on Jul 22 2011, 12:59:01 PM wrote:- Is 2 movies per person enough?
The issue with such a small limit is that it'll lead to strategic nominations. "I won't nominate my real favourites because someone else might," and "I'll go last to see what other people pick" will be common strategies. Maybe 10 or 15 nominations each, or maybe as a percentage of films watched like 0.5% of total checks, followed by some form of vote?

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Post by allisoncm » July 22nd, 2011, 7:28 pm

1. So This is Love (1953, Gordon Douglas)
2. Museum Highlights (1989, Andrea Fraser) - not on imdb

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Post by Dolwphin » July 22nd, 2011, 9:14 pm

Flowing (Mikio Naruse,1956)
Artificial Light (Hollis Frampton, 1969)
Top 100|Top 250

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Post by SeanMX12 » July 22nd, 2011, 10:11 pm

PeacefulAnarchy on Jul 22 2011, 01:08:33 PM wrote:
mightysparks on Jul 22 2011, 12:59:01 PM wrote:- Is 2 movies per person enough?
The issue with such a small limit is that it'll lead to strategic nominations. "I won't nominate my real favourites because someone else might," and "I'll go last to see what other people pick" will be common strategies. Maybe 10 or 15 nominations each, or maybe as a percentage of films watched like 0.5% of total checks, followed by some form of vote?
If we nominate 10 or 15 films each I think we should include films on 1 or no lists. When I started ICM two years ago I would rarely watch films not on a list. I don't think I could name 10 films I really love on no lists. Whatever we decide to do is great though.

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Post by jeroeno » July 22nd, 2011, 10:19 pm

Tenshi no tamago (Mamoru Oshii/1985)
De Minder gelukkige terugkeer van Joszef Katus naar het land van Rembrandt (Wim Verstappen/1966)

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Post by Cippenham » July 22nd, 2011, 11:36 pm

Thats why I thought just two each not on any list would be better.. my choices will follow probably in next few days.
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Post by SeanMX12 » July 22nd, 2011, 11:51 pm

1. Supercop (Stanley Tong, 1992)
2. Broken Flowers (Jim Jarmusch, 2005)
3. I Am So Proud of You (Don Hertzfeldt, 2008)
4. The Road Home (Zhang Yimou, 2000)
5. Scandal (Akira Kurosawa, 1950)

I knocked it up to five. If we decide on fewer, they are in order.
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Post by SeanMX12 » July 22nd, 2011, 11:53 pm

It would be nice to rank them but I have no idea how we'd do that.


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Post by beeswax » July 22nd, 2011, 11:56 pm

SeanMX12 on Jul 22 2011, 05:53:36 PM wrote:It would be nice to rank them but I have no idea how we'd do that.
I think an alphabetical ordering would be more appropriate, if we're not doing a vote to winnow out selections. Or a listing by year.
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Post by SeanMX12 » July 23rd, 2011, 12:01 am

beeswax on Jul 22 2011, 05:56:22 PM wrote:
SeanMX12 on Jul 22 2011, 05:53:36 PM wrote:It would be nice to rank them but I have no idea how we'd do that.
I think an alphabetical ordering would be more appropriate, if we're not doing a vote to winnow out selections. Or a listing by year.
Yeah, you're right. How do you rank a movie like "La 317ème section", where only 11 people have checked it? Alphabetical is the only way to go.

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Post by mightysparks » July 23rd, 2011, 8:15 am

SeanMX12 on Jul 22 2011, 06:01:12 PM wrote:
beeswax on Jul 22 2011, 05:56:22 PM wrote:
SeanMX12 on Jul 22 2011, 05:53:36 PM wrote:It would be nice to rank them but I have no idea how we'd do that.
I think an alphabetical ordering would be more appropriate, if we're not doing a vote to winnow out selections. Or a listing by year.
Yeah, you're right. How do you rank a movie like "La 317ème section", where only 11 people have checked it? Alphabetical is the only way to go.
Yeah I thought alphabetical would be best because most people would be voting for the most obscure stuff and they'd only get one nomination.
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Post by Cippenham » July 23rd, 2011, 10:00 am

Two of my unlisted favourites:

From Russia with Love 1963

Brewster's Millions 1985.


The first is one of the best James Bond films, only a few of which are on lists and surprisingly this is not on any lists at present.

I know the latter is a sort of remake but I love Richard Pryor in this and some other films of his, also unlisted.
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Post by mightysparks » July 23rd, 2011, 10:45 am

I'm still not sure if 2 movies is enough, though I think 5 would be the absolute maximum...

If we continue with 2, my votes:
Voor een verloren soldaat (1992)
Last Night (1998)
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Post by bal3x » July 23rd, 2011, 12:14 pm

I will list 5:

Running on Empty 1988
Reign Over Me 2007
Finding Forrester 2000
Doubt 2008
Seven Days in May 1964

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Post by burneyfan » July 23rd, 2011, 1:27 pm

I was going to throw Running on Empty out there, too...glad bal3x saved me the trouble! :)

Wow, at first I thought I couldn't think of many that weren't on a list, and now I'm having problems debating between several.

Proof (J. Moorhouse, 1991) (This IS often on lists of Australian cinema, but ICM doesn't have one.)
Dirty Pretty Things (Frears, 2002)

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Post by jeff_v » July 23rd, 2011, 5:04 pm

Fearless (Peter Weir, 1993)
Przypadek / Blind Chance (Krzysztof Kieslowski, 1981)

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Post by bal3x » July 23rd, 2011, 5:34 pm

burneyfan on Jul 23 2011, 07:27:50 AM wrote:I was going to throw Running on Empty out there, too...glad bal3x saved me the trouble! :)
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Post by SeanMX12 » July 23rd, 2011, 9:02 pm

I suggest we get it to at least 100 movies. Can we get 50 participants?

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Post by allisoncm » July 23rd, 2011, 9:39 pm

Or 20 participants at 5 each. :D

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Post by AdamH » July 23rd, 2011, 9:54 pm

I'll have to think about my choices but I want Kelly's Heroes on there. Probably not obscure enough for the list though...

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Post by SeanMX12 » July 23rd, 2011, 9:59 pm

intothewild on Jul 23 2011, 03:54:17 PM wrote:I'll have to think about my choices but I want Kelly's Heroes on there. Probably not obscure enough for the list though...
It's no problem. One of mine is Jackie Chan's Supercop. :D There should be disparity in this list.

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Post by allisoncm » July 23rd, 2011, 9:59 pm

I dunno. I've never seen Kelly's Heroes!

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Post by sebby » July 23rd, 2011, 10:31 pm

Duze zwierze aka The Big Animal (2000)
Stevie (2002)

The latter is a docu; is that okay, or are we only doing fictiony features?
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Post by allisoncm » July 23rd, 2011, 10:38 pm

One of mine was a short! So I suppose docs are ok. At least I'm in favor of it.

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Post by mightysparks » July 23rd, 2011, 10:40 pm

I say anything counts, shorts, feature films, docs etc. Though I'd rather keep TV series and mini-series off...
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Post by allisoncm » July 23rd, 2011, 10:46 pm

The difference is that TV & mini-series aren't movies.

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Post by jvv » July 23rd, 2011, 10:46 pm

If docs are allowed then Jesus Camp is a must. I still don't understand why that one isn't on any ICM lists.
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Post by allisoncm » July 23rd, 2011, 10:48 pm

I think it is? When I was searching for films from 2006, it came up in my searches. Maybe it got knocked off a list??

Edit: It must have fallen off some IMDB list. It could get back on a list one day. :D
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Post by AdamH » July 23rd, 2011, 10:52 pm

We shouldn't count IMDb lists as ICM lists because they change (and because of the mafia).

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Post by AdamH » July 23rd, 2011, 11:01 pm

I'm thinking we could do a vote for features/documentaries and a vote for shorts? Decide on how many are allowed in each. There aren't enough shorts on ICM.

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Post by allisoncm » July 23rd, 2011, 11:07 pm

Plus, I saw the short that I voted for in a museum, and have been searching to see if it's available anywhere else. And the answer seems to be no. :( So I'm not sure that short will get any votes from anyone other than me? :(

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Post by Mochard » July 23rd, 2011, 11:14 pm

My 2 in no particular order are:

Los cronocrímenes (2007)
Falling Down (1993)

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Post by chemosh6969 » July 24th, 2011, 12:09 am

Labyrinth (1986)
Trading Places (1983)

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Post by monty » July 24th, 2011, 2:42 am

1. Baron Prásil aka Baron Munchausen (1962) - Amazing combination of animation, matte paintings and stop-motion puppets. The visuals in this beautiful movie are just mindblowing.
2. Wake in Fright (1971) - A masterpiece of Australian cinema. Moreover, when you watch this, you can play the "spot-monty's-avatar" game, as well. :D
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Post by 3eyes » July 24th, 2011, 2:54 am

I just went thru the first 50 in my favorites list and came out with ten candidates (there were numerous others not on any list). Man, I could make my own list of 100 easily. Picking 2 or 5 -- where to start?

In short, I applaud the impulse behind this but I'm not sure it's workable as is. Maybe we could do several lists, divvy up by genre -- the ten I have so far are 5 foreign, 4 comedies and 1 drama.
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Post by AdamH » July 24th, 2011, 2:58 am

3eyes on Jul 23 2011, 08:54:26 PM wrote:I just went thru the first 50 in my favorites list and came out with ten candidates (there were numerous others not on any list). Man, I could make my own list of 100 easily. Picking 2 or 5 -- where to start?

In short, I applaud the impulse behind this but I'm not sure it's workable as is. Maybe we could do several lists, divvy up by genre -- the ten I have so far are 5 foreign, 4 comedies and 1 drama.


Agreed. This is more of a test thread to see people's thoughts on it. I like your ideas. In truth, I'm not sure if I've seen enough to really offer strong choices but I think anyone should we welcome to vote on this.

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Post by monty » July 24th, 2011, 3:04 am

It's a damn tough - I guess most would say an impossible - choice, but listing 2 of one's favourite movies should be doable for all here. I also think that what makes such a list as this sweet is the mixing of different genres - i.e. all's good as long as it's a feature film.
Maybe a good idea would be for each member's 2 suggestions to be listed in the first post. Thus, one would avoid the same movie getting several votes.
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