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Re: Rankdown II - Best Picture Nominees ('09-'19) (Round 2, #88-#74)

#161

Post by sol » June 29th, 2020, 2:07 pm

beasterne wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 1:29 pm
OP is updated through toromash's cut. Glad to see Nebraska get the chop, as it's one of 4 remaining films I haven't seen yet.
:( Easily one of the 10 best films in the list for my money. Great music, deadpan humour and atmospheric black and white photography. Not quite sure how something as delightfully offbeat as this gets cut while a dry-as-a-bone Payne film remains. Bruce Dern and Will Forte are excellent too in it.
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Post by PGonzalez » June 29th, 2020, 2:23 pm

sol wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 2:07 pm
:( Easily one of the 10 best films in the list for my money. Great music, deadpan humour and atmospheric black and white photography. Not quite sure how something as delightfully offbeat as this gets cut while a dry-as-a-bone Payne film remains. Bruce Dern and Will Forte are excellent too in it.
Disagree on most counts, but I do agree with Bruce Dern giving a wonderful performance, and with The Descendants being just as dull. That one will follow shortly.

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#163

Post by mightysparks » June 29th, 2020, 3:06 pm

Sorry for the delay guys, I haven't been getting home from work til midnight and then I was out all day today...

Anyway, I'm saving my Tree of Life cut for another round. This round I'm cutting The Favourite, in line with my goal to get rid of all the crap Emma Stone has stained with her presence. I didn't completely hate the film, but found it stupid, boring and not at all 'funny' or interesting in any way. And Emma Stone just causes me pain so bye.

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#164

Post by sol » June 29th, 2020, 3:09 pm

Ouch. That hurts. I really loved The Favourite. (u)
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#165

Post by sol » June 29th, 2020, 3:16 pm

I'm cutting Brooklyn - for what cinewest said above as well for how little the story did for me. Girl goes overseas, falls in love super quickly, then has to choose between two countries. I didn't really find this meaty enough to sustain a full length feature film and while I don't find this to be as excessively acclaimed as certain other entries in the list, this is actually the only film on the list that I have rated below 6/10.

Oh, and unlike Lauren, I'm not on a war path for a particular actress. It's just coincidental. I have no plans to cut Lady Bird if anybody was worrying. B)

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#166

Post by OldAle1 » June 29th, 2020, 3:41 pm

Haven't seen Nebraska - I do remember vacillating over going to the cinema and just not pulling the trigger. I like Bruce Dern (who doesn't?) but not so much that I make efforts to watch films he's in, and can't say I have much of an opinion on the director - only seen 2 of his films which I liked but didn't love; the main attraction for me was the b/w cinematography given how rare that is today but...skipped it. And now I don't have to even think about watching it over the next few days unless it gets vetoed.

Of the rest, liked them all, but none are top-10-of-the-year candidates except maybe The Favourite, and that only because I haven't seen enough yet. Probably liked Silver Linings the most overall actually and it's one of the few I've seen more than once. I liked Brooklyn a lot - particularly liked the look of it, the use of color - but yeah, it feels just a bit thin and ordinary in the final analysis.

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#167

Post by Onderhond » June 29th, 2020, 3:53 pm

Never even heard of Brooklyn before :D

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#168

Post by beasterne » June 29th, 2020, 4:00 pm

I have Brooklyn marked as a favorite, although I'm not passionate enough about it to spend one of my vetoes. While it does feel a little cliche, I think that the execution is really well done in that film. Plus, Saoirse is great in it, just like everything else.

Surprised to see The Favourite cut so early, but I am also half-expecting a veto to be played for that one.

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#169

Post by blocho » June 29th, 2020, 4:43 pm

Here's what I wrote when I saw my next cut a few months ago:
I think this is one of the worst movies I have ever seen, and I don't say that lightly. Before today, I had officially disliked only 11 movies on icm, or 0.27% of all my checks. This is number 12. I find it difficult to explain what's wrong with this movie. Aside from some shaky sound design, there's nothing wrong with it technically. And the acting is actually pretty good. The only thing I can really say is that every idea this movie has is wrong, wildly wrong. It reminds me of another Holocaust movie, one that neither I nor almost anyone else has ever seen: Jerry Lewis' infamous The Day the Clown Cried--the movie Jerry buried the moment he finished it because he realized he had created something so bad that no one could ever see it. Harry Shearer saw it at some point somehow, and he made a comment that I think could be equally applied to Jojo Rabbit: "This was a perfect object. This movie is so drastically wrong, its pathos and its comedy are so wildly misplaced, that you could not, in your fantasy of what it might be like, improve on what it really is."
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#170

Post by OldAle1 » June 29th, 2020, 4:46 pm

I didn't really dislike that film but I'm not sure how much I liked it either (apart from Scarlett who was pretty great), but what you're saying will apply pretty well to my next cut (if nobody beats me to it) and which has a lot in common in some ways with Jojo.

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#171

Post by PGonzalez » June 29th, 2020, 5:56 pm

Jojo Rabbit is the only movie on this list that I refuse to watch, even having passed on free tickets for it. I already made that mistake once with Life is Beautiful, I don't intend to ever make it again.

Also happy to see The Favourite gone, saves me a cut. And I guess Inglorious Basterds will be going soon, maybe that one will flush out a veto.

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Post by blocho » June 29th, 2020, 6:12 pm

PGonzalez wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 5:56 pm
Jojo Rabbit is the only movie on this list that I refuse to watch, even having passed on free tickets for it.
The only reason I saw it was because of Taika Waititi. I like pretty much everything else he has done. I don't know much about the man, but perhaps that string of success gave him the overconfidence to think Jojo Rabbit was a good idea.

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Post by shugs » June 29th, 2020, 8:16 pm

Cutting Call Me by Your Name. It could have been good, but Armie Hammer was too old for the part. It just felt like watching To Catch a Predator or something. The father's speech at the end made everything even worse, ugh.
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#174

Post by cinewest » June 30th, 2020, 12:20 am

sol wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 2:07 pm
beasterne wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 1:29 pm
OP is updated through toromash's cut. Glad to see Nebraska get the chop, as it's one of 4 remaining films I haven't seen yet.
:( Easily one of the 10 best films in the list for my money. Great music, deadpan humour and atmospheric black and white photography. Not quite sure how something as delightfully offbeat as this gets cut while a dry-as-a-bone Payne film remains. Bruce Dern and Will Forte are excellent too in it.
Can’t agree with you on 3 Billboards, which was probably the only film that ended up thumbs down for me (though there are 35 I haven’t seen, most of which I am not likely to), but... I kinda liked Nebraska, and know the musician who did the music. Not top 10 for me, but a very solid 7.

As for Brooklyn, I think you hit the nail on the head when you said the scope of the story(back and forth to Ireland, etc) thinned out the production. This would have been Much better if it were tighter (like An Education), or if it were more capably treated like something bigger.

There is so much more On the list that is worthy of the ax...

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Post by jeroeno » June 30th, 2020, 4:23 am

I'm cutting Boyhood. Who cares if it took so many years to make? If it took Linklater so long to make he could at least make something less boring.
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#176

Post by cinewest » June 30th, 2020, 4:57 am

jeroeno wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 4:23 am
I'm cutting Boyhood. Who cares if it took so many years to make? If it took Linklater so long to make he could at least make something less boring.
I was somewhat underwhelmed, as well, especially given the publicity, but there are a lot weaker films still on the list.

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Post by jeroeno » June 30th, 2020, 5:25 am

cinewest wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 4:57 am
jeroeno wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 4:23 am
I'm cutting Boyhood. Who cares if it took so many years to make? If it took Linklater so long to make he could at least make something less boring.
I was somewhat underwhelmed, as well, especially given the publicity, but there are a lot weaker films still on the list.
We need to get rid of some of the vetoes though :shifty: tehe

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Post by cinewest » June 30th, 2020, 5:33 am

jeroeno wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 5:25 am
cinewest wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 4:57 am
jeroeno wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 4:23 am
I'm cutting Boyhood. Who cares if it took so many years to make? If it took Linklater so long to make he could at least make something less boring.
I was somewhat underwhelmed, as well, especially given the publicity, but there are a lot weaker films still on the list.
We need to get rid of some of the vetoes though :shifty: tehe
absolutely, which is why I would be going after certain high profile directors who have multiple films on the list that are far too praised

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Post by jeroeno » June 30th, 2020, 5:43 am

cinewest wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 5:33 am
jeroeno wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 5:25 am
cinewest wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 4:57 am


I was somewhat underwhelmed, as well, especially given the publicity, but there are a lot weaker films still on the list.
We need to get rid of some of the vetoes though :shifty: tehe
absolutely, which is why I would be going after certain high profile directors who have multiple films on the list that are far too praised
Yes, I can't cut The Irishman this round though. Next round I'll cut it again.

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#180

Post by Nathan Treadway » June 30th, 2020, 1:22 pm

There's plenty I liked this round that's getting cut, but none I'm too worried about saving.

I'm going to get rid of Black Panther which was only really nominated for PC reasons, and if they were really wanting to do that, there were better candidates. It's just another Marvel film, and they do very little to distinguish themselves from each other.
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#181

Post by cinewest » June 30th, 2020, 1:54 pm

Time for vetoes, now. So what's coming back?

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Post by beasterne » June 30th, 2020, 2:46 pm

This may be a bit premature given that I don't think this will be a serious long-term contender, but I'm going to veto Call Me by Your Name. I've almost never had such a strong emotional response to a movie as I did when watching this one. Yes, it's problematic, but then again so is life. And it does so much right in my opinion: the performances, the cinematography, the music, the writing are all excellent. It's just a beautiful movie and one that I want to be here for a while longer.

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Post by beasterne » June 30th, 2020, 2:50 pm

Round 3 will begin at 13:30 GMT on 7/1! Get your vetoes in while you can!
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Post by OldAle1 » June 30th, 2020, 3:06 pm

Looks like yours is the only veto so far this round, beast, rather surprising - though maybe everybody's just waiting. Nice little comment on CMBYN, a film I liked a lot though I can see what others find problematic to some extent. My favorite cut film this round is definitely Phantom Thread and I'll be a little surprised if someone doesn't bring it back.

It's certainly as interesting to think of our dislikes (or least-liked) as our favorites; of the 10 films I'd say are the worst or weakest from the whole list, only 2 have been voted off - by me. So clearly my least-liked-list is pretty different from others - or, of course, other people are trying to pull out those vetos, and might dislike some of the ones I do just as much. Or something like that.

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Post by jeff_v » June 30th, 2020, 3:15 pm

I love Phantom Thread. Not gonna use a veto on it, but this message goes to Onderhond:

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Post by Onderhond » June 30th, 2020, 3:29 pm

At least now you know what I go through when I watch these films :hug:

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Post by brokenface » June 30th, 2020, 3:37 pm

beasterne wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 2:46 pm
This may be a bit premature given that I don't think this will be a serious long-term contender, but I'm going to veto Call Me by Your Name. I've almost never had such a strong emotional response to a movie as I did when watching this one. Yes, it's problematic, but then again so is life. And it does so much right in my opinion: the performances, the cinematography, the music, the writing are all excellent. It's just a beautiful movie and one that I want to be here for a while longer.
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Post by jeroeno » June 30th, 2020, 5:33 pm

Inception is one of my favorite movies on this list and I like Jojo Rabbit and District 9 a lot but none of them will get a veto from me. None of these three had any chance to reach the final anyway. For the rest I like the cuts in this round a lot. I'm really surprised Green Book and Avatar are still in the game.

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Post by AB537 » June 30th, 2020, 8:47 pm

I'm glad to see Call Me by Your Name was vetoed. I do like Inception, The Favourite and Midnight in Paris quite a bit but am not going to veto any of them.

This may be a bit unusual but I like a few of Allen's 21st century movies, also including Vicky Cristina Barcelona and especially Match Point, while not enjoying almost any of his more highly acclaimed 20th century work, with the notable exception of The Purple Rose of Cairo. The most obvious thing these four have in common within his filmography is that he mercifully doesn't act in them.

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Post by sol » June 30th, 2020, 11:20 pm

I have been wondering about Avatar. One of few unseen films from me on the list because I always thought it looked subpar. Guess it has more love than I imagined...
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Post by cinewest » June 30th, 2020, 11:45 pm

I would probably say that Inception is my favorite film that's been voted off unto now, but I only have 7 in the 8.2 - 9.2 range, and imagine "Underhand" or "Mighty," or somebody has his sights set on eliminating most of them.

As for dislikes, I still have a whole bunch of 5's and 6's alive that people seem to like a lot more than me.

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Post by mightysparks » July 1st, 2020, 12:10 am

I’ll use a veto on District 9. There are only 2 films in this list that I really love (9+) and that’s one of them. It’s just an amazing film and I don’t want to see it gone this early.
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Post by AB537 » July 1st, 2020, 1:05 am

There are 5 left that I haven't seen, and I didn't think any of them were that highly regarded overall. Perhaps a bunch of players also haven't seen them. Guess it's time to watch some new content in the next few days.

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Post by cinewest » July 1st, 2020, 1:53 am

PGonzalez wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 2:23 pm
sol wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 2:07 pm
:( Easily one of the 10 best films in the list for my money. Great music, deadpan humour and atmospheric black and white photography. Not quite sure how something as delightfully offbeat as this gets cut while a dry-as-a-bone Payne film remains. Bruce Dern and Will Forte are excellent too in it.
Disagree on most counts, but I do agree with Bruce Dern giving a wonderful performance, and with The Descendants being just as dull. That one will follow shortly.
My feeling about the films of Alexander Payne typify my feeling about the list in general, as I have rated all of his between 5 and 7, and think he is one of the more over celebrated indie filmmakers.

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Post by cinewest » July 1st, 2020, 1:57 am

Onderhond wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 3:29 pm
At least now you know what I go through when I watch these films :hug:
You could always choose not to watch them. There's a whole lot of movies I try to avoid. In fact, if the ones on this list weren't so celebrated by critics, I would have watched something else over most of them.

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Post by blocho » July 1st, 2020, 2:04 am

cinewest wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 1:57 am
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June 30th, 2020, 3:29 pm
At least now you know what I go through when I watch these films :hug:
You could always choose not to watch them. There's a whole lot of movies I try to avoid. In fact, if the ones on this list weren't so celebrated by critics, I would have watched something else over most of them.
Yeah, that leads to a good question. Ondy, I once asked you why you watched so many Scorsese movies when you disliked almost all of them, and you said that you thought it was worthwhile seeing movies even if you didn't anticipate a positive reaction. I admire that attitude, but how do you not end up kind of hating movies if you watch so many that you dislike?

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Post by mightysparks » July 1st, 2020, 3:01 am

I do the same thing. Films aren’t just about having a positive experience, it’s the experience of film itself that’s enjoyable and rewarding, regardless of whether that film is personally enjoyable for you. I just love film, but I don’t have to love every film. Do sports fans love every single game? Do foodies love every meal?

Plus you just never know which ones will give you that experience. I don’t understand people who can predict what they’ll like so accurately. I have no idea, so I just want to try and experience everything.
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Post by cinewest » July 1st, 2020, 3:23 am

blocho wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 2:04 am
cinewest wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 1:57 am
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June 30th, 2020, 3:29 pm
At least now you know what I go through when I watch these films :hug:
You could always choose not to watch them. There's a whole lot of movies I try to avoid. In fact, if the ones on this list weren't so celebrated by critics, I would have watched something else over most of them.
Yeah, that leads to a good question. Ondy, I once asked you why you watched so many Scorsese movies when you disliked almost all of them, and you said that you thought it was worthwhile seeing movies even if you didn't anticipate a positive reaction. I admire that attitude, but how do you not end up kind of hating movies if you watch so many that you dislike?
I liked Scorsese's films in the 70's and 80's, but began to tire of the repetition and misfires that came afterward (similar with Woody Allen), so I began putting his films more on the back burner, even skipping some, but occasionally checking back in to see if either his work or my sense of it has changed (and occasionally something like Shutter Island, or Blue Jasmine validate my attendance)

In general, I am very picky about what I choose to see, and thus dislike very little. I am very content by films than can earn a 7 or higher, which accounts for at least half the films I have rated. The next highest number are the 6's, which are worthwhile but problematic or disappointing in some way, which is what a lot of movies on this list are, and the reason I don't watch too many of them. In fact, I watch more than I probably would, if I didn't feel the need to stay somewhat abreast of mainstream film culture, and the conversations that circulate around them.

As for Onderhond (and Mighty), he seems to watch a ton movies (as long as they weren't made too long ago), but, like you, I am curious as to why he watches so much that is clearly not up his alley.
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Post by cinewest » July 1st, 2020, 3:27 am

mightysparks wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 3:01 am
I do the same thing. Films aren’t just about having a positive experience, it’s the experience of film itself that’s enjoyable and rewarding, regardless of whether that film is personally enjoyable for you. I just love film, but I don’t have to love every film. Do sports fans love every single game? Do foodies love every meal?

Plus you just never know which ones will give you that experience. I don’t understand people who can predict what they’ll like so accurately. I have no idea, so I just want to try and experience everything.
Your likes and dislikes, filmwise, seem fairly predictable to me. What I mean is that it's pretty clear what kinds of films attract you, and what kind turn you off, so why bother with the latter? It's obvious to me that you would hate a film like Tree of Life, so why see it? I guess I just don't understand the sense of pride you seem to take in giving trash ratings to a bunch of films clearly outside your wheelhouse, moreover, why you continue spending your time on them.
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Post by mightysparks » July 1st, 2020, 3:36 am

It’s not clear to me what attracts me, I’m constantly surprised. It’s often more obvious what I won’t like but I just never know. I might even like Tree of Life now. At the time I’d heard it compared to 2001, so it was entirely possible it could’ve been a masterpiece. I also tend to go into films quite blind so I don’t have any expectations.
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