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Post by Lammetje » October 8th, 2019, 5:17 pm

The 60s and 70s ain't my favorite decades for movies.
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1900s 0%
1910s 7,8%
1920s 3,9%
1930s 2,0%
1940s 15,7%
1950s 27,5%
1960s 0%
1970s 3,9%
1980s 7,8%
1990s 3,9%
2000s 13,7%
2010s 13,7%

Anywho, my check count went from 43 (if I recall correctly) to 41. My #1, Scandal Sheet, did well this year, but the numbers 2 through 7 on my list didn't even make it.
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Post by St. Gloede » October 8th, 2019, 5:21 pm

beavis wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 12:02 pm
cinephage wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 10:37 am
the fact that they remain under the 400 checks threshold for so many years sort of shows how limited the impact of this list really is
for more casual viewers availability of a lot of the titles is a problem. we also have diverse subsets here and maybe "old" Japanese drama is something that speaks to only one of these subsets of people. But on the whole I agree with you that you'd hope the ICM userbase is large enough that at least 400 people would have found the numbers one and two of this list by now...
The cynic in me half assumes it is because they are not "stable checks".

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » October 8th, 2019, 5:27 pm

St. Gloede wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 5:21 pm
beavis wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 12:02 pm
cinephage wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 10:37 am
the fact that they remain under the 400 checks threshold for so many years sort of shows how limited the impact of this list really is
for more casual viewers availability of a lot of the titles is a problem. we also have diverse subsets here and maybe "old" Japanese drama is something that speaks to only one of these subsets of people. But on the whole I agree with you that you'd hope the ICM userbase is large enough that at least 400 people would have found the numbers one and two of this list by now...
The cynic in me half assumes it is because they are not "stable checks".
On this list. They're both stable official checks, though. Muddy River is an Oscar Foreign Nominee and Carriage is in the Czech list.

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Post by 3eyes » October 8th, 2019, 5:28 pm

Every year my count goes down - 30% seen 2 yrs ago, 27% last year, 23% now. Must be losing my grip.
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Post by GruesomeTwosome » October 8th, 2019, 7:05 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 4:15 pm
GruesomeTwosome wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 3:34 pm
72allinncallme wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 2:39 pm

Missed that one. Thanks GT.
No problem! :thumbsup:

Anyways, as for the drop-offs this year, sad to see Fugue (1999) fall off.
I think there are about a dozen films I might have helped to save, and that was one of them. Most bummed myself about Evolution of a Filipino Family, but I think Lav Diaz probably doesn't need the help as much as some other more obscure films and filmmakers. Several Canadian films that I had pimped somewhat also dropped off, what's up with all the hosers here, eh?
Yeah there are a couple of other Diaz films in the list. I need to see his stuff. I was hoping that at least one of Lisandro Alonso's pre-Jauja films (La Libertad, Los Muertos and Liverpool) might sneak in with my help, but no luck. I'm interested to see the #501-1000 list this time around.
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Post by Ebbywebby » October 8th, 2019, 7:45 pm

cinephage wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 10:37 am
Gained 43, lost 44, for a total of 169/500 now (against 170 yesterday)...
Wow, for 169-170 films, that's a heavy turnover! You must be watching a lot of films from the list's lower half.

Otherwise...I dropped from #86 to #89 with the updated rankings.

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Post by cayado-coro » October 8th, 2019, 7:48 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 6:00 am
Dropoffs (most will be in the 500-1000 list, a few are between 1000 and 1750, one fell to 2624
, the last fell to 10489!):
???. (⇩???, #202) It Should Happen to You(1954) [George Cukor]
???. (⇩???, #268) Große Freiheit Nr. 7(1944) [Helmut Käutner]
???. (⇩???, #301) Nogiku no gotoki kimi nariki(1955) [Keisuke Kinoshita]
???. (⇩???, #344) La 317ème section(1965) [Pierre Schoendoerffer]
???. (⇩???, #467) Il ladro di bambini(1992) [Gianni Amelio]
Those were on my ballot and the Kinoshita was my #1. Oh, well, looking forward to the 500-1000 list.

Keep up the good work, Peaceful.

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Post by brokenface » October 8th, 2019, 7:57 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 6:28 am
Cocoa wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 6:18 am
Did a Naruse fan from last year not vote? The repeating directors' names that stand out to me (idk if there are any others in the list).

???. (⇩???, #213) Les rendez-vous de Paris(1995) [Éric Rohmer]
???. (⇩???, #473) Le signe du lion(1962) [Éric Rohmer]

???. (⇩???, #247) Meshi(1951) [Mikio Naruse]
???. (⇩???, #307) Bangiku(1954) [Mikio Naruse]
???. (⇩???, #492) Nagareru(1956) [Mikio Naruse]

???. (⇩???, #246) Colloque de chiens(1977) [Raoul Ruiz]
???. (⇩???, #428) Zig-Zag - le jeu de l'oie (Une fiction didactique à propos de la cartographie)(1980) [Raoul Ruiz]
Blame Brokenface for the Rohmer and Naruse.
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Post by Cocoa » October 8th, 2019, 8:52 pm

My respective rank on the list didn't change. :lol: I stayed at #22. Out of the top 25, only three people stayed at the same position.

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Post by clemmetarey » October 8th, 2019, 9:09 pm

I actually won 12 places, I'm now #94. That was really unexpected.

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Post by maxwelldeux » October 8th, 2019, 9:35 pm

clemmetarey wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 9:09 pm
I actually won 12 places, I'm now #94. That was really unexpected.
I'm similar, though far behind you. I'm at #494, up from #597, with a gain of only 4 movies.

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Post by Nathan Treadway » October 8th, 2019, 9:47 pm

mightysparks wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 5:02 am
Peaceful, could I get a list of all films with a #1 vote?
72allinncallme already did this.

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/ever ... inncallme/

Or were you looking for where they ended up placing?

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » October 8th, 2019, 10:54 pm

I'll see what I can do in a couple of hours.
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Post by Ebbywebby » October 8th, 2019, 11:05 pm

Nathan Treadway wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 9:47 pm
mightysparks wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 5:02 am
Peaceful, could I get a list of all films with a #1 vote?
72allinncallme already did this.

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/ever ... inncallme/
I don't even want to know who rated a Bo Burnham stand-up comedy special #1.

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Post by xianjiro » October 8th, 2019, 11:45 pm

cinephage wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 10:37 am
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That's unexpected, I only lose 1 check. Gained 43, lost 44, for a total of 169/500 now (against 170 yesterday)...

Out of my list of 306 movies under 400 checks, 72 made it to the list, an acceptable overlap : many of my favorites remain underseen, but almost 15 % of them are shared with enough ICMers to make it to this list.

My highest favorite that didn't make it is Rolf de Heer's Dance me to my song (#3 in my list). But with only 11 checks, I would need to promote it greatly if I wanted it to really have a chance to join the list.
As I really tried to promote the following rejected film of my list (Kinji Fukasaku's Omocha), but didn't get good results at it (16 checks, and the ICM members who had the curiosity to watch it were not that impressed, it seems), I think I will leave things be. I'm not much of a promoter, really...

My #1, Die Andere Heimat is #272 on the list, it's a long mini-series, so I understand why it's not really higher.
Like every year, I'm sure I will find many gems in this list, and look forward to exploring it.
However I'm a little disappointed by our # 1 and # 2. I feel they are great movies, but the fact that they remain under the 400 checks threshold for so many years sort of shows how limited the impact of this list really is.
#1 & #2 were difficult to track down. If I remember correctly, neither are available in the US via ILL or were extremely limited. I also seem to remember a Youtube link for Kocar that had been killed by the copyright holder. So, failing Criterion getting involved (or another similar outfit), it's maybe not such a surprise that such films continue life as rarities.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » October 8th, 2019, 11:57 pm

Carriage to Vienna
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Post by xianjiro » October 9th, 2019, 12:13 am

added Kocar link to the comments - can promise that wasn't available when I looked though I see I checked the film a couple of months after it was added to Youtube. So at least more people now have the chance to watch it.

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Post by weirdboy » October 9th, 2019, 3:53 am

72allinncallme wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 2:28 pm
JCS is the new number one. I hope weirdboy does something about that... Feels wrong to have a cheater to top the rankings.
Well I definitely plan to finish the list again, although I've been awfully busy lately so it may take a few months to unseat JCS.

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Post by joachimt » October 9th, 2019, 4:56 am

clemmetarey wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 9:09 pm
I actually won 12 places, I'm now #94. That was really unexpected.
I still think the tally hasn't updated for all users. I'm at 6904 official checks, but the rankings say 6918.
Or there is a bug......
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Post by Fergenaprido » October 9th, 2019, 6:02 am

joachimt wrote:
October 9th, 2019, 4:56 am
clemmetarey wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 9:09 pm
I actually won 12 places, I'm now #94. That was really unexpected.
I still think the tally hasn't updated for all users. I'm at 6904 official checks, but the rankings say 6918.
Or there is a bug......
Clemm's referring to his rank on the <400 list, not overall.

My overall rank just went down by one, but my number of official checks stayed the same (I suppose it's possible that there was an even switch).

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Post by maxwelldeux » October 9th, 2019, 6:49 am

Ebbywebby wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 11:05 pm
Nathan Treadway wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 9:47 pm
mightysparks wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 5:02 am
Peaceful, could I get a list of all films with a #1 vote?
72allinncallme already did this.

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/ever ... inncallme/
I don't even want to know who rated a Bo Burnham stand-up comedy special #1.
:satstunned: :P

I have watched it 14 times in the past 3.5 years, fall in love with it over again every single time I see it, and have it as the only comedy special I've seen that should be watched on the big/small screen, as you'd lose the experience live.

My passionate defenses:
viewtopic.php?p=474335#p474335
viewtopic.php?p=475592#p475592

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Post by clemmetarey » October 9th, 2019, 8:18 am

maxwelldeux wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 9:35 pm
clemmetarey wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 9:09 pm
I actually won 12 places, I'm now #94. That was really unexpected.
I'm similar, though far behind you. I'm at #494, up from #597, with a gain of only 4 movies.
Nice jump, what really surprised me about winning ranks is that I went from 165 to 160 checks.
Fergenaprido wrote:
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joachimt wrote:
October 9th, 2019, 4:56 am
clemmetarey wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 9:09 pm
I actually won 12 places, I'm now #94. That was really unexpected.
I still think the tally hasn't updated for all users. I'm at 6904 official checks, but the rankings say 6918.
Or there is a bug......
Clemm's referring to his rank on the <400 list, not overall.

My overall rank just went down by one, but my number of official checks stayed the same (I suppose it's possible that there was an even switch).
Indeed, ICM top 100 is still far away from me!

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Post by xianjiro » October 9th, 2019, 8:23 am

maxwelldeux wrote:
October 9th, 2019, 6:49 am
Ebbywebby wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 11:05 pm
Nathan Treadway wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 9:47 pm


72allinncallme already did this.

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/ever ... inncallme/
I don't even want to know who rated a Bo Burnham stand-up comedy special #1.
:satstunned: :P

I have watched it 14 times in the past 3.5 years, fall in love with it over again every single time I see it, and have it as the only comedy special I've seen that should be watched on the big/small screen, as you'd lose the experience live.

My passionate defenses:
viewtopic.php?p=474335#p474335
viewtopic.php?p=475592#p475592
But just tell us you also loved _____________ and have watched it 14 times in the past 3.5 years and all will be forgiven. Just make sure you get the fill in the blank right - and no, this isn't multiple guess. :folded:

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Post by OldAle1 » October 9th, 2019, 8:41 am

maxwelldeux wrote:
October 9th, 2019, 6:49 am
Ebbywebby wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 11:05 pm
Nathan Treadway wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 9:47 pm


72allinncallme already did this.

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/ever ... inncallme/
I don't even want to know who rated a Bo Burnham stand-up comedy special #1.
:satstunned: :P

I have watched it 14 times in the past 3.5 years, fall in love with it over again every single time I see it, and have it as the only comedy special I've seen that should be watched on the big/small screen, as you'd lose the experience live.

My passionate defenses:
viewtopic.php?p=474335#p474335
viewtopic.php?p=475592#p475592
That's pretty passionate. I am rarely one for loads of re-watches in a short time - in fact it only seems to happen about once every decade or two, and then usually with a brand-new film, latest being my GOAT which I won't mention because everybody knows and hates it (u) - 14 times over it's first two years of release, 12 of those in the cinema. Before that it was Take Care of My Cat which I saw around half a dozen times in less than 5 years, including watching it two nights in a row initially, back around 2007. On the whole I just try not to watch most stuff more than once every year or two, I worry that I might start to feel some staleness, as I have over the last few years with The Third Man, North by Northwest and Casablanca.
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DOUBLE POST LUNACY
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Post by flaiky » October 9th, 2019, 9:21 am

Has anyone worked out the films that lost and gained officialdom?
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Post by Ebbywebby » October 9th, 2019, 9:38 am

maxwelldeux wrote:
October 9th, 2019, 6:49 am
Ebbywebby wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 11:05 pm

I don't even want to know who rated a Bo Burnham stand-up comedy special #1.
:satstunned: :P

I have watched it 14 times in the past 3.5 years, fall in love with it over again every single time I see it, and have it as the only comedy special I've seen that should be watched on the big/small screen, as you'd lose the experience live.
But...but...I said I didn't want to know. ;)

So you even rate it a top *documentary* too?

I'm not too familiar with BB but I felt ehh about "Eighth Grade," so....

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Post by ChrisReynolds » October 9th, 2019, 10:12 am

flaiky wrote:
October 9th, 2019, 9:21 am
Has anyone worked out the films that lost and gained officialdom?
Films gaining official status

167. Morgiana (1972)
215. World of Tomorrow Episode Two: The Burden of Other People's Thoughts (2017)
226. Estiu 1993 (2017)
242. Will Penny (1967)
279. HyperNormalisation (2016)
322. Le couperet (2005)
338. The Fear of 13 (2015)
343. Rawhide (1951)
351. The Field (1990)
354. Our Man in Havana (1959)
370. Nathan for You: Finding Frances (2017)
382. Suburbia (1983)
395. Plastic Bag (2009)
398. Metro Manila (2013)
405. Lawn Dogs (1997)
407. This World, Then the Fireworks (1997)
410. The Raid (1954)
421. À l'ombre de la canaille bleue (1986)
426. El botón de nácar (2015)
430. It's Love I'm After (1937)
434. The Visit (1964)
445. Joe (1970)
446. The Lost Skeleton of Cadavra (2001)
461. L'amour à mort (1984)
492. Hamsarayan (1982)
500. Style Wars (1983)

Films losing official status (rank from last year's list)

92. La fille inconnue (2016) NO LONGER ELIGIBLE
136. Le dossier 51 (1978)
213. Les rendez-vous de Paris (1995)
214. The Belly of an Architect (1987) NO LONGER ELIGIBLE
234. Pan-dane to Tamago-hime (2010)
241. Zoo (1961) NO LONGER ELIGIBLE
308. Fugue (1999)
322. Hundstage (2001)
328. Un coupable idéal (2001)
338. Aferim! (2015)
344. La 317ème section (1965)
361. Heaven Knows What (2014) NO LONGER ELIGIBLE
363. The Mysterious Geographic Explorations of Jasper Morello (2005) NO LONGER ELIGIBLE
364. Alexandra's Project (2003)
369. Pelísky (1999)
374. Is-slottet (1987)
393. James White (2015)
403. Himizu (2011)
404. Go West (1923)
413. Little Murders (1971)
415. Kakushi ken oni no tsume (2004)
427. Ne me quitte pas (2013)
428. Zig-Zag - le jeu de l'oie (Une fiction didactique à propos de la cartographie) (1980)
431. The Last of Sheila (1973)
435. Breza (1967)
437. Black Mirror: San Junipero (2016) NO LONGER ELIGIBLE
456. Kaigenrei (1973)
459. Schaste moe (2010)
461. 46-okunen no koi (2006)
470. Hachikô monogatari (1987)
474. Kauwboy (2012)
475. De jurk (1996)
494. Gospodin oformitel (1987)
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Post by Fergenaprido » October 9th, 2019, 12:00 pm

Thanks Chris.

Looks like I gained 5 but lost 9. My overall rank won't change as a result, since I'm more than 4 checks ahead of the next person.

Of the ones becoming unofficial, I'm most sad about Pelisky and The Last of Sheila. Also slightly miffed that Breza and Kauwboy fell off. All 4 are well under 400 checks, though, so there's a good chance they'll bounce back next year. Indeed, For the Last of Sheila it's gone from Off-On-Off-On-Off so maybe next year will continue the pattern and have it back on.

Jasper Morello is a great short. Hopefully people will still check it out even though it's over 400 checks now. It's an Oscar nominee, dontcha know.

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Post by joachimt » October 9th, 2019, 12:23 pm

I've seen 22 of the titles that lose official status and 7 of the ones gaining, so a total loss of 15. No problem. More movies on my watchlist.

I'm really surprised Himizu lost official status. It's a Sono I favorited. I thought more people did. Yet Tokyo Tribe is in the top 100. I disliked that one.
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Post by Onderhond » October 9th, 2019, 12:33 pm

Himizu is a relatively unknown Sono I think. It got an EN-friendly release through Third Window Films, but it's not a very typical Sono as it's not as extravagant as his other work. I like it (but also like Tokyo Tribe), but not surprised it's not an official film. Post-2010 Japanese cinema is pretty much absent from official ICM.

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Post by joachimt » October 9th, 2019, 12:47 pm

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Himizu is a relatively unknown Sono I think. It got an EN-friendly release through Third Window Films, but it's not a very typical Sono as it's not as extravagant as his other work. I like it (but also like Tokyo Tribe), but not surprised it's not an official film. Post-2010 Japanese cinema is pretty much absent from official ICM.
But it was picked up by this community last year. I just didn't expect it to drop off our list.
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Post by flaiky » October 9th, 2019, 2:17 pm

Thanks Chris! Net gain of 1 for me.

Think I lost 3 checks on the overall list. I've still only seen a quarter of it.
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Post by blocho » October 9th, 2019, 2:18 pm

Does that list of movies losing official status include the ones from last year's list that went above 400 checks?

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Post by ChrisReynolds » October 9th, 2019, 3:10 pm

blocho wrote:
October 9th, 2019, 2:18 pm
Does that list of movies losing official status include the ones from last year's list that went above 400 checks?
Yes. I'll add an indicator to show which ones.

EDIT: Done. Only 6 films became unofficial due to going over 400 checks.

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Post by sol » October 9th, 2019, 4:25 pm

It appears that lost 11 and gained 11 official checks. No wonder my overall rank didn't change that much.

Oh, and don't blame me for The Last of Shelia, Ferg. I had it in my top 5. Of course, if it ends up being #501, I'll kick myself for not placing it even higher. :pinch:
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Post by Jimi Antiloop » October 9th, 2019, 4:47 pm

thx PA
maxwelldeux wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 4:55 am
Personally, I maintain a favorites list of everything I rate 8/10 or higher; my list for this poll was just that list, filtering out anything above 400 checks.
I do the same. Plus, I add some strong 7,5p movies. I do no tactical ranking, for films I estimate better acceptance in general here in the community.

34 checks on the list now.
14/240 films I voted for on the list
1/10 my Top 10
3/20 my Top 20
4/50 my Top 50
4/100 my Top 100

highest favorited #1 Carriage to Vienna (my #177)
highest dislike #23 Kreuzweg

After Decade:
210s - 118 49,2%
200s - 58 24,2%
90s - 32 13,3%
80s - 13 5,4%
70s - 10 4,1%
60s - 5 2,1%
50s - 3 1,2%
40s - 0 0,0%
30s - 1 0,4 %
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 10th, 2019, 2:16 am

Ebbywebby wrote:
October 9th, 2019, 9:38 am
maxwelldeux wrote:
October 9th, 2019, 6:49 am
Ebbywebby wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 11:05 pm

I don't even want to know who rated a Bo Burnham stand-up comedy special #1.
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I have watched it 14 times in the past 3.5 years, fall in love with it over again every single time I see it, and have it as the only comedy special I've seen that should be watched on the big/small screen, as you'd lose the experience live.
But...but...I said I didn't want to know. ;)

So you even rate it a top *documentary* too?

I'm not too familiar with BB but I felt ehh about "Eighth Grade," so....
Hehehe... no, I left it off my Documentary list; though it would "technically" qualify, it really didn't really fill the spirit of the list for me, so I left it off. And I haven't seen 8th Grade (I want to ), but I expect his film and his comedy are VASTLY different. His "Make Happy" special is on Netflix and worth a watch at only 60m, I'd say. It may not be your thing, but he does really cool things in his comedy special you never see elsewhere.

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Post by GruesomeTwosome » October 10th, 2019, 7:24 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
October 7th, 2019, 11:03 pm
ICM list updated: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/icm+ ... shleft400/

As mentioned earlier I'll do runners up in a few days.
Any update on when you think you'll start posting those 501-1000 titles? Thanks!
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