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ICM Forum's 500<400 2018 Nominations Sept 19

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Re: ICM Forum's 500<400 2018 Nominations Sept 19

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Post by Ebbywebby » September 13th, 2018, 9:03 pm

All stuck at 399 checks...will they hold on? I'm especially curious whether "Leave It to Beaver" will get rudely pushed out of contention at the last minute.

Au bout du monde 1999 — a.k.a. At the Ends of the Earth
Brewster McCloud 1970
Les bronzés 3: amis pour la vie 2006
Devrim arabalari 2008 — a.k.a. Cars of the Revolution
Dnevnik Glumova 1923 — a.k.a. Glumov's Diary
Erogotoshi-tachi yori: Jinruigaku nyûmon 1966 — a.k.a. The Pornographers
La glace à trois faces 1927 — a.k.a. The Three-Sided Mirror
Gojira tai Mekagojira 1974 — a.k.a. Godzilla vs. Bionic Monster
He Never Died 2015
The Lazarus Project 2008
Leave It to Beaver 1997
Olsenbanden og Dynamitt-Harry 1970
Papageno 1935
La rafle 2010
Scenes from Under Childhood Section #1 1967
Unsere Mütter, unsere Väter 2013 — a.k.a. Generation War
Wrong Turn 5: Bloodlines 2012

(If you'd like to monitor this yourself, list "All Movies" sorted by checks and go to approximately page 471.)

PS I'm still working on my list...I'd like to tinker with it some more before sharing it in the thread. There are 230 remaining films that I'd like to re-assess, and I want to get through as many of them as possible.
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#202

Post by OldAle1 » September 13th, 2018, 9:07 pm

The 2017-18 ones are not allowed, otherwise I'm positive Early Man would be our winner. I mean, it's obvious.

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Post by Ebbywebby » September 13th, 2018, 9:09 pm

Yeah, I already went back and removed the 2017-2018 films before seeing your reply. :)

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Post by weirdboy » September 13th, 2018, 10:23 pm

That is someone gaming the system.

I am fairly positive Erogoshitachi yori was already past 400 checks earlier this year when I updated my list.

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Post by Ebbywebby » September 13th, 2018, 10:28 pm

I doubt that's true, because I've had Erogoshitachi yori on my own list since last year, and I remove films that hit the 400 mark pretty diligently.

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Post by Nathan Treadway » September 14th, 2018, 3:21 am

Nathan Treadway wrote:
July 26th, 2018, 2:42 pm
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/my+n ... waynathan/

It's going to be partially ranked, but, I don't know what yet, as I've obvisouly not done any work on it yet.
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Post by Opio » September 14th, 2018, 6:01 am

My list has spots 1-250 ranked, and the rest unranked (251-360):
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/my+2 ... nked/opio/
P.S. 500<400 is a brilliant idea for an official :ICM: list -- cool way to highlight low-check favorites.

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Post by cinewest » September 14th, 2018, 9:17 am

I submitted my list last month, and am wondering if I have to scan it and remove films that have pushed past 400 checks since then, or whether they will be removed automatically. In general, I tried to stay away from movies with more than 380 checks at the time, but am assuming a few might have gone over in the past month.

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Post by metaller » September 14th, 2018, 11:18 am

Here's my list. It's ranked: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls055415102/

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Post by Nathan Treadway » September 14th, 2018, 12:25 pm

cinewest wrote:
September 14th, 2018, 9:17 am
I submitted my list last month, and am wondering if I have to scan it and remove films that have pushed past 400 checks since then, or whether they will be removed automatically. In general, I tried to stay away from movies with more than 380 checks at the time, but am assuming a few might have gone over in the past month.
You don't have to. PA will remove them when compiling the list.

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Post by clemmetarey » September 14th, 2018, 1:23 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
September 13th, 2018, 1:11 pm
Oh I know, it's probably because I also changed the title. I'll fix it in my original post.
Working now :thumbsup:

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Post by Nathan Treadway » September 14th, 2018, 4:57 pm

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Post by Smoover » September 14th, 2018, 6:53 pm

Smoover wrote:
July 27th, 2018, 11:12 am
I will rank it in parts later
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/icm+ ... 0/smoover/
Top 117 ranked, rest unranked

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Post by Ebbywebby » September 15th, 2018, 8:05 am

cinewest wrote:
September 14th, 2018, 9:17 am
In general, I tried to stay away from movies with more than 380 checks at the time, but am assuming a few might have gone over in the past month.
Hm. I've been debating whether to skip voting for films close to 400...especially since I always have too many films to choose between. Right now, my rough list is at 427 films and I have plenty more to trim (I don't want the list to be much larger than 300). But even if I decided to rule out films with 395 checks or more, it'd save me the trouble of assessing eight strong candidates. And if I cut everything over 380 checks, that'd rule out 12 more films still in the running.

It'll be a shame if "Brewster McCloud" hits 400 and ceases to be an official check after this poll finishes, but that's life.

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Post by joachimt » September 15th, 2018, 8:15 am

Don't make it too difficult. Just vote for everything you love that is under 400 checks. If it reaches 400 before the deadline, they will automatically be removed. I don't see the point as well to limit your list to a certain number. You keep watching more and more movies, so it's natural your list of favorites grows. Just vote for everything you feel is worthy enough. I simply vote for every movie I rate 8/10 and higher with less than 400 checks. Simple. It's currently 445 titles long (with one title, Une histoire de vent, that just got its 400th check a few days ago).

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Post by Ebbywebby » September 15th, 2018, 8:37 am

It's not so much a case of limiting myself to a certain number. It's more like I don't trust the internal accuracy of my list as it gets larger and larger. I frown at my list's lower ranks and wonder what borderline films I wrongly included or omitted. And ranking the films on a longer list also becomes more and more unreliable (I'm not crazy about the "partially ranked" format).

I've already cut around 30 still-eligible films from my 2017 list...second-guessing my past choices.

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Post by Nathan Treadway » September 16th, 2018, 6:25 am

It looks like External World is graduating. Too bad, huh?

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Post by Ebbywebby » September 16th, 2018, 8:01 am

Ooh, now "Realité" (2014) is at 399 checks too. And that ranked #420 in the 2017 poll. That makes four 399-check films that are likely to be on my own list, unless I decide to skip them just to keep the upcoming poll results from going stale quite so fast.

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Post by Ebbywebby » September 16th, 2018, 8:27 am

Nathan Treadway wrote:
September 16th, 2018, 6:25 am
It looks like External World is graduating. Too bad, huh?
Yes. And "Too Many Cooks" graduated awhile ago.

But as for other 500<400 abominations, "Smale spor av et århundre" still needs 261 more checks, "Go West" needs 160, "Gauche the Cellist" needs 103 and "Never Sleep Again: The Elm Street Legacy" needs 12. And of course, the astronomically overrated "Year Along the Abandoned Road" still needs 2-7-4 more checks.

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Post by albajos » September 16th, 2018, 10:03 am

STFU - people have different tastes.

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Post by joachimt » September 16th, 2018, 10:25 am

Ebbywebby wrote:
September 16th, 2018, 8:27 am
And of course, the astronomically overrated "Year Along the Abandoned Road" still needs 2-7-4 more checks.
174 actually. The threshold is 400.
I'm voting for it, btw. :P

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Post by joachimt » September 16th, 2018, 10:39 am

So which of the current top movies do you think have a chance of becoming #1 in the future? Not necessarily this time, but maybe next year or the year after that.
Muddy River has been #1 and isn't over 400 checks yet, so it has a good chance of beating Carriage to Vienna. In the top 10 Birth Certificate has the lowest number of checks (157) and it is already #3, so I think it has a good change of becoming #1 once Carriage to Vienna and Muddy River go over 400.

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Post by 72allinncallme » September 16th, 2018, 11:02 am

joachimt wrote:
September 16th, 2018, 10:39 am
So which of the current top movies do you think have a chance of becoming #1 in the future?
Rapture? :wub:

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Post by joachimt » September 16th, 2018, 11:26 am

72allinncallme wrote:
September 16th, 2018, 11:02 am
joachimt wrote:
September 16th, 2018, 10:39 am
So which of the current top movies do you think have a chance of becoming #1 in the future?
Rapture? :wub:
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Post by sol » September 16th, 2018, 2:40 pm

russalex86 wrote:
September 16th, 2018, 11:32 am
RANKED
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/500d ... 6/russa03/
I love Little Malcolm. Not sure how I managed to leave that one off my ballot two years in a row, but I'll add it in somewhere now.

Oh, and really cool to see longtime iCM users such as yourself registering on our message board specifically to participate in the 500<400 exercise. :thumbsup:
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Post by AdamH » September 16th, 2018, 6:43 pm

sol wrote:
September 16th, 2018, 2:40 pm
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September 16th, 2018, 11:32 am
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https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/500d ... 6/russa03/
I love Little Malcolm. Not sure how I managed to leave that one off my ballot two years in a row, but I'll add it in somewhere now.

Oh, and really cool to see longtime iCM users such as yourself registering on our message board specifically to participate in the 500<400 exercise. :thumbsup:
I'm guessing it is russa03 who is already a member on here but hasn't logged in on the new forum. Not that active on old forum. <50 posts. Seems like a couple of people at least have created new accounts on here rather than activating their old ones for some reason.

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Post by Ebbywebby » September 16th, 2018, 10:38 pm

Wow, "The Wanderers" gained three checks in the past eight hours and is now ineligible. I was going to include that.

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Post by cinephage » September 16th, 2018, 11:05 pm

Ebbywebby wrote:
September 16th, 2018, 10:38 pm
Wow, "The Wanderers" gained three checks in the past eight hours and is now ineligible. I was going to include that.
I need to change my list accordingly, remove the wanderers, and add a newcomer... Adding "The covered wagon", by James Cruze. A fantastic early western !!

I also had 3 more films that crossed the line, so I just replaced them, with 2 movies by Lee Chang-Dong, and Ne nous delivrez pas du mal, a french dark film...

Here's my modified list :
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/cine ... cinephage/

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Post by Ebbywebby » Yesterday, 12:03 am

joachimt wrote:
September 16th, 2018, 10:25 am
Ebbywebby wrote:
September 16th, 2018, 8:27 am
And of course, the astronomically overrated "Year Along the Abandoned Road" still needs 2-7-4 more checks.
174 actually. The threshold is 400.
I'm voting for it, btw. :P
Whoops, 174. Right.

I can fathom someone ranking it #395. What I can't fathom is enough people ranking it in their top 50 or so such that the film ends up ranking SEVENTH overall. I mean, if you're that elated by actor-less travelogue films that are all about scenery, editing and camera movement, your whole list should be loaded with such films. And there are plenty of these films with enough substance to stretch past *12 minutes*.

There's just one Joris Ivens film on last year's list, and that ranked way down at #462.

ICM indicates there are only about 700 shorts with 400+ checks. So "Abandoned Road" is the very, very best of ALL the <400 shorts? Seriously? It probably wouldn't rank in my own top 500. Let's not forget that it's on no other official list. And it may be on 78 unofficial lists, but practically all of them boil down to ICM user opinions rather than general industry recognition. And about a quarter of those 78 are, yup, "<400" lists.

Maybe it's a question of regional patriotism rather than sober cinematic assessment. I note about a third of the people who voted for "Abandoned Road" last year are Scandinavian. Though heaven knows Armoreska's reasoning.

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Post by Mate_cosido » Yesterday, 3:52 am

I'm not done ranking it yet, but i'll post it now in case i forget or don't have time later, i'll try to keep editing and i'm still not sure how far it will be ranked

here it is: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/500d ... 400/cabra/

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Post by joachimt » Yesterday, 6:52 am

Ebbywebby wrote:
Yesterday, 12:03 am
joachimt wrote:
September 16th, 2018, 10:25 am
Ebbywebby wrote:
September 16th, 2018, 8:27 am
And of course, the astronomically overrated "Year Along the Abandoned Road" still needs 2-7-4 more checks.
174 actually. The threshold is 400.
I'm voting for it, btw. :P
Whoops, 174. Right.

I can fathom someone ranking it #395. What I can't fathom is enough people ranking it in their top 50 or so such that the film ends up ranking SEVENTH overall. I mean, if you're that elated by actor-less travelogue films that are all about scenery, editing and camera movement, your whole list should be loaded with such films. And there are plenty of these films with enough substance to stretch past *12 minutes*.

There's just one Joris Ivens film on last year's list, and that ranked way down at #462.

ICM indicates there are only about 700 shorts with 400+ checks. So "Abandoned Road" is the very, very best of ALL the <400 shorts? Seriously? It probably wouldn't rank in my own top 500. Let's not forget that it's on no other official list. And it may be on 78 unofficial lists, but practically all of them boil down to ICM user opinions rather than general industry recognition. And about a quarter of those 78 are, yup, "<400" lists.

Maybe it's a question of regional patriotism rather than sober cinematic assessment. I note about a third of the people who voted for "Abandoned Road" last year are Scandinavian. Though heaven knows Armoreska's reasoning.

(l) (l) (l)
I ranked it #358. Is that still okay with you? :whistling:
But seriously, it might not be the best short under 400 checks, but it is something a lot of people on this forum has seen, so it is bound to get a lot of votes. 500<400 is also about advertising. Monty did some advertising on this one and later it was selected in the WC as well. It was even one place higher in the list last year.

But yes, I'm astounded as well by people putting it in their top 10, but that's just how these things work. All a matter of taste. Others might be astounded by some movies in my top 10 as well.

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Post by joachimt » Yesterday, 6:53 am

Would it be possible to get all the submitted lists in the OP?


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