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Well, they need new films or else noone would need to buy the book.
(5 are actually way to few if their goal is to sell books every year)

One Anderson in, one Anderson out, seems logical in the big picture
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Yeah I get why they add/remove films. I just think their "only remove films from this century" policy is showing its limits and "Anderson/Cuaron in, Anderson/Cuaron out" is really dumb logic that surely doesn't apply in the 20th century part of the list.

Also I don't think their goal is to sell books every year to people who already have a copy, it's to keep the latest edition relevant for whoever is buying it for the first time. The obsessive people who buy every year will do that regardless of the number of changes.
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We are talking
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1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die (Revised)

Right?

This is on order at my local library and says it's the 2019 edition. I've no idea when I will be able to get a copy as it's a function of purchase and accessioning to the system, but I am #2 for 2 copies, so, if no one beats us to it, I'll be able to help.
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xianjiro wrote: October 16th, 2019, 4:46 pm We are talking
Author:
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Title:
1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die (Revised)

Right?

This is on order at my local library and says it's the 2019 edition. I've no idea when I will be able to get a copy as it's a function of purchase and accessioning to the system, but I am #2 for 2 copies, so, if no one beats us to it, I'll be able to help.
Thanks. I'll update the list anyway, but pics of the index would be great, so I could do a thorough check.
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Really bad changes. It's like they have some language quotas so Crazy Rich Asian replaces Yi Yi, Roma replaces Amores Perros, Capernaum replaces Kippur (ok different but same region), plus they remove Under the Shadow (after it replaced A Separation a few years ago), and Victoria, and put some more films in english.
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Hereditary was just a big eyeroll to me. I'm curious to see Victoria, purely because of the one-take novelty.
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The guy who gave the new info on the Letterboxd list (all editions) said that Hable con ella is still in the index, even though it has otherwise been removed from the book.
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joachimt wrote: October 16th, 2019, 5:37 pm
xianjiro wrote: October 16th, 2019, 4:46 pm We are talking
Author:
Schneider, Steven Jay
Title:
1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die (Revised)

Right?

This is on order at my local library and says it's the 2019 edition. I've no idea when I will be able to get a copy as it's a function of purchase and accessioning to the system, but I am #2 for 2 copies, so, if no one beats us to it, I'll be able to help.
Thanks. I'll update the list anyway, but pics of the index would be great, so I could do a thorough check.
Unless I see someone else has supplied, I'll let you know when I get the book. But please, don't hold your breath. On-order can sometimes take months before it's available for check out. Can't tell you how many months I had to wait for the Olympic box set to be processed. It finally took another librarian calling someone up and saying, "Hey, why's it taken six months to accession this item?"
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List is updated.

I also updated the all editions list:
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/1001 ... /joachimt/

I'm at 1360/1374
Of the 14 unseen, 8 are easily available.
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I have seen 1207 on all editions list, certainly not working on it. I don’t now watch many new films.

I have seen 998 on the current list, not seen 19 which are all from 2015 onwards so I am not likely to watch many of them.
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I have 999. I should stop there
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I've seen 974 from the all-editions list, which means exactly 400 left. But I gotta say that many of the remaining films don't interest me much. Particularly the mainstream classics. If I see about 45-50 more films from that list, most of my yearnings will be satisfied.
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1258 from the All Inclusive... And 990 on main One ... Not that bad
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Tim2460 wrote: October 18th, 2019, 6:20 am 1258 from the All Inclusive... And 990 on main One ... Not that bad
You can almost die peacefully
I saved Latin, what did you ever do ?
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My new Goal : finishing the Amanda Award List before i die ;)
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1229 from the all editions list, 999 on the current one.
Not ready to die yet though, I might blacklist the remaining titles.
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Is that So you stay on 999?That would change next year. I am not likely to see many new ones but am not working on the list. Or do you object to the finishing the new list so you stay alive 😀
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It appears I have seen 1217 on the all-time list and missing two from the current 1001 list.
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Didn't know there was a Platinum Death requirement with any of our official lists.
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💀☠️👻😱😀 it does not mean u die as soon as you achieve it.. 😄
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Of course it does. It's my road to immortality by keeping it unfinished
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all edit 956
767 current year
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erde wrote: October 16th, 2019, 8:15 am Confirmed additions and removals in the 2019 edition:

Additions:
Phantom Thread
The Greatest Showman
Crazy Rich Asians
Capernaum
A Star is Born
Avengers: Infinity War
Roma
Hereditary
The Favourite
Sorry to Bother You
Vice
BlacKkKlansman

Removals:
Buffalo 66
Magnolia
Three Kings
Kippur
Amores Perros
Yi Yi
Talk to Her
Victoria
Spotlight
Under the Shadow
Dawson City: Frozen Time
Lady MacBeth

Will not comment on the changes, because it makes my head hurt. (D:)

Source: https://letterboxd.com/gubarenko/list/1 ... -die-2019/
Seems legit based on the comments.
Buffalo 66, Magnolia & Amores Perros are three of my all time favourites. Pretty bad decision to cut them IMO.

Might have to come up with a top ten list of films cut from the 1001.
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I saw The Irishman and it'll go straight into next year's edition.
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Irishman going to NETFLIX soon . They managed to de age stars like De Niro quite well I believe ?
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Just looked at the yearly distribution of films in the most recent 1001 book/list:

1890-1899: 0
1900-1909: 2
1910-1919: 4
1920-1929: 42
1930-1939: 84
1940-1949: 86
1950-1959: 128
1960-1969: 153
1970-1979: 158
1980-1989: 154
1990-1999: 121
2000-2009: 32
2010-2019: 43

(1007 in total, treating the parts of trilogies etc. as individual films like in ICM)

A lot could be said about this, but one thing that strikes me is the relatively small number of films from 00's (32) compared to, say 90's (121). Their strategy to remove only recent films to make room for new ones has created quite an interesting pattern here. Even TSPDT includes 78 films from 00's, and it's often considered notorious for excluding newer films. (Well, TSPDT does have only 8 films from 2010's, so there's that. tehe )

For comparison, here is a similar chart from TSPDT (newest edition):

1890-1899: 1
1900-1909: 1
1910-1919: 4
1920-1929: 38
1930-1939: 70
1940-1949: 86
1950-1959: 140
1960-1969: 173
1970-1979: 161
1980-1989: 122
1990-1999: 119
2000-2009: 78
2010-2019: 8

(1001 in total)
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Pretty similar if you're looking at the new millennium as a whole though. And yes, TSPDT has fewer "recent" films, only 8 from the last decade, whereas 1001 has 43 (more than 5 times as much).
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Onderhond wrote: November 10th, 2019, 10:52 am Pretty similar if you're looking at the new millennium as a whole though. And yes, TSPDT has fewer "recent" films, only 8 from the last decade, whereas 1001 has 43 (more than 5 times as much).
In that sense, yes. But the new millennium has been going on for almost 20 years, and the first half of it has already had a 10 to 20-year long waiting period that is to be expected of (usually) slow and conservative best-of-all-time lists. I think that it's pretty striking that on the 1001 MYMSBYD list there are 154 films from the 80's and 121 films from the 90's but only 32 films from the 00's and more even from the past nine years. But I understand that they have their own marketing logic etc. and they have to have enough films from the past few years in order to get newest edition sold every year, and so on.
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Yeah they've pretty brutally cut back the 2000-09 films, I've made that decade count before.

For comparison, i picked up the edition on my shelf which was published 2007 and it has 49 films from the period 2000-06. Now it's over ten years on and there's fewer films from that whole decade.

Obviously it's the nature of fixed size list that is you keep adding new films you have to cut old ones but they've made editorial decision to cut almost exclusively from films made this century. I noticed they had to go back to 1999 on this year's cuts though as they've almost run out of early 00s films to cut.
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Yes they should cut some from 70s to 90s and have a few more from 2000s but it’s not how it works.
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Cippenham wrote: November 10th, 2019, 7:41 am Irishman going to NETFLIX soon . They managed to de age stars like De Niro quite well I believe ?
Sure did. Especially when you consider Al Pacino is 79 and De Niro 76. The only thing that looked a bit off was when De Niro's character was beating someone up. His kicks didn't look very menacing because he moves like an old man. I'm glad I saw it at the cinema because it deserves to be seen on the big screen.
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Just picked up the latest edition from the library - mods, let me know if you need anything from it.
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xianjiro wrote: November 21st, 2019, 2:59 am Just picked up the latest edition from the library - mods, let me know if you need anything from it.
You could check the whole list from start to finish. :whistling:

Or at least check the additions and removals as posted above.
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joachimt wrote: November 21st, 2019, 6:44 pm
xianjiro wrote: November 21st, 2019, 2:59 am Just picked up the latest edition from the library - mods, let me know if you need anything from it.
You could check the whole list from start to finish. :whistling:

Or at least check the additions and removals as posted above.
checking will be easy enough - do we care if they are in the same order or not?
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xianjiro wrote: November 21st, 2019, 8:32 pm
joachimt wrote: November 21st, 2019, 6:44 pm
xianjiro wrote: November 21st, 2019, 2:59 am Just picked up the latest edition from the library - mods, let me know if you need anything from it.
You could check the whole list from start to finish. :whistling:

Or at least check the additions and removals as posted above.
checking will be easy enough - do we care if they are in the same order or not?
Only if you've got OCD. But nobody on this forum has OCD, right? :P
Serious answer: It doesn't matter that much. It's not a ranked list anyway.
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I'm guessing it's pretty much in order. I went through it a few years ago, and if I remember right, it was then, and they only add/remove from the end of the book.
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Well, within the first 10 or so, I found two that were switched (although on further thought, I wondered if it might a year thing - the book might have one movie earlier or later than it's shown on IMDb - this comes up rather often I've found). However, I didn't give it a lot of thought and haven't gone back into it just yet. If it doesn't really matter, then it's just one less thing to think about.

As I think about it some more, it's also possible the editors changed the layout of the book in an edition, so when these early movies first appeared (and as you mention, they remove from the latter era) they may have been one way and have since been reversed. Given that not every movie has the same length of entry, this layout explanation makes sense. Don't know if they change entries year-to-year as this is the first time I've looked at the book.
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Nathan Treadway wrote: November 23rd, 2019, 4:05 am I'm guessing it's pretty much in order. I went through it a few years ago, and if I remember right, it was then, and they only add/remove from the end of the book.
Usually it has been like that, but at least once they did changes earlier in the book, too. It was the 10th year anniversary edition then, though.
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Okay, I've completed the verification - the one caveat is I didn't click on every link to make 100% certain we've got exactly the right film. Just didn't think we needed that level of double checking. Let me know if there are any other concerns before I return the book next week.

Also, the computer has a problem counting.
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Thanks, x!
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