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Hope Roma is there to stay.
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Fergenaprido wrote: September 18th, 2019, 10:24 am(and even here in Southeast Asia).
Ah, didn't know that.

Good thing they're not as woke over there, because that film was racist AF. :D
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Onderhond wrote: September 18th, 2019, 11:15 am
Fergenaprido wrote: September 18th, 2019, 10:24 am(and even here in Southeast Asia).
Ah, didn't know that.

Good thing they're not as woke over there, because that film was racist AF. :D
Well, the movie was filmed here in KL and Singapore, and a lot of people were extras (some of my colleagues went for that). Plus, there's the excitement of seeing your city in a big Hollywood movie.

In North America, at least, it was eventful in it being a major studio-funded film with all Asian leads. It was a big talking point on the press circuit how it was the first such Asian-led major film in 25 years (since The Joy Luck Club).

At the risk of hijacking the thread, I'm interested to hear your perspective why/how the film was "racist AF".
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Fergenaprido wrote: September 18th, 2019, 11:46 am At the risk of hijacking the thread, I'm interested to hear your perspective why/how the film was "racist AF".
It was a film about Americans going to Asia, criticizing their old-fashioned ways and ultimately showing them that the American/modern way of living is better. It was cringe from start to finish.
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Onderhond wrote: September 18th, 2019, 12:20 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: September 18th, 2019, 11:46 am At the risk of hijacking the thread, I'm interested to hear your perspective why/how the film was "racist AF".
It was a film about Americans going to Asia, criticizing their old-fashioned ways and ultimately showing them that the American/modern way of living is better. It was cringe from start to finish.
Interesting; thanks for sharing Onderhond :) . That's not a perspective I've heard yet.

I see the film differently. I don't consider what you posted above to be racist... it's American Chinese vs. Singaporean Chinese. The racist parts of the film I saw were more to how the other ethnicities of Singapore were portrayed (Malays and Indians, mostly), but it's also a very sadly accurate portrayal of Singaporean society. It's very multicultural, but the Chinese tend to have the upper hand. Plus, the film (and I suppose the book, though I haven't read it) wasn't necessarily aiming to show an equitable view of the city, but rather a view from the perspective of the very affluent and very privileged upper class Chinese Singaporeans.

{Side note: My Sri Lankan friend took issue with the Indian guards as a stereotype (pretty much every security guard here in KL is Nepali, for example), plus also the misleading title of Crazy Rich Asians, equating Chinese/East Asian with the entire Asian continent... though for me that's largely a beef I have with modern vernacular that causes the rest of Asia to be subsumed under East Asia... most English-speakers will assume you mean Chinese/Japanese/Korean when you say Asian... but that's another discussion for another time}

With the Asia vs America thing; I perceived it as more of a class struggle than a race thing or even a modern/traditional battle. It's similar in themes to films where you see an American/British struggle between working-class Yanks meeting stuffy nobility/royalty in the UK (often thrown in with secret identities or hidden family connections). Granted, those may be proxy battles for modern/traditional, but I think that may be open to interpretation.
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A small disclaimer: I'm pretty allergic to all these woke visions and comments and it's definitely not the reason why I didn't like the film. I just like this particular interpretation because it shows how little effort is requires to deem others racist, even the ones who cry they are being neglected and discriminated etc etc. I also think it's an interpretation that can be defended, although I don't disagree with anything you've said above. There definitely are more ways to look at this film. But as someone from Europe, it's certainly no surprise that American values prevail in the end :)

And if I really want to watch wealthy Asians on screen, there are plenty of Asian films that do a way better job. No need to watch a cheap American knock-off.
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Fergenaprido wrote: September 18th, 2019, 2:29 pm
{Side note: My Sri Lankan friend took issue with the Indian guards as a stereotype (pretty much every security guard here in KL is Nepali, for example), plus also the misleading title of Crazy Rich Asians, equating Chinese/East Asian with the entire Asian continent... though for me that's largely a beef I have with modern vernacular that causes the rest of Asia to be subsumed under East Asia... most English-speakers will assume you mean Chinese/Japanese/Korean when you say Asian... but that's another discussion for another time}
They could have called Clazy Lich Olientals (D:)
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No one has the new edition yet? It's been available for many hours already (in some Amazon warehouse at least)... tehe
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I'm not interested in buying it. I have a relatively recent edition (3 years old, I believe) and they really don't change much except the last handful of pages. Not really worth the 30 dollars or whatever. The new films that were added will pop up online within the next week or so.
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+1

Not interested in getting the new edition every year when 99% of the content is the same.
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Same here. Just curious about the new additions and removals. Just waiting patiently, then. :circle:
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I used to follow this list and completed it, but the new additions are generally newer films not as good as the ones replaced so for now, not interested in completing it again.
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Nathan Treadway wrote: October 4th, 2019, 11:43 pm
Spoiler
I'm not interested in buying it. I have a relatively recent edition (3 years old, I believe) and they really don't change much except the last handful of pages. Not really worth
the 30 dollars or whatever
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. The new films that were added will pop up online within the next week or so.
(D:)
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xianjiro wrote: October 5th, 2019, 11:04 pm
Nathan Treadway wrote: October 4th, 2019, 11:43 pm
Spoiler
I'm not interested in buying it. I have a relatively recent edition (3 years old, I believe) and they really don't change much except the last handful of pages. Not really worth
the 30 dollars or whatever
Spoiler
. The new films that were added will pop up online within the next week or so.
(D:)
https://smile.amazon.com/1001-Movies-Yo ... +mo&sr=8-1
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At the Amazon UK the paperback costs 18 pounds (22 dollars), and it has been available since October 3rd. I think that it's an OK price for the book, but since there is only a handful of changes in the movies, there's no point in changing the edition every year (let alone gathering all the editions home on the shelf next to each other, inviting some confused questions from friends who come over).

https://www.amazon.co.uk/1001-Movies-Yo ... b_title_bk
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But is the Uk issue different with different films?
Anyway, I am not buying new editions.
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I think it's the same edition.
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I never found info about other movies in the UK editions.
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Thanks. I have seen 995 of the previous list of 1007 but as I don’t watch many new films expect that to be reduced.
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At Fandom somebody has listed this years additions as follows:
- Phantom Thread
- The Greatest Showman
- Crazy Rich Asians
- Capernaum
- A star is Born
- Avengers: Infinity War
- Roma
- Hereditary
- The Favourite
- Sorry to Bother You
- Vice
- BlacKkKlansman

No news about the removals yet.

(Source: https://1001films.fandom.com/wiki/The_List)
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The additions listed in my previous post have been confirmed in a comment to a Letterboxd list by a person who has the newest edition. So they might be correct. I still do not know anything about the latest removals, though.

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Source: https://letterboxd.com/peterstanley/lis ... e/page/13/
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I don’t have time to check new list, can someone import it and check it?
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Cippenham wrote: October 10th, 2019, 4:53 am https://www.listchallenges.com/print-list/217971

This has the new list
There are 1222 titles in that list.
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And no IMDB Links ....

Would be painfull tu update from that list ;-(

I won't buy the french edition this year as well.
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I think that list must include films removed then
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It appears the Letterbox lis and above include films already removed
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Joachim also maintain an all book/all ever film include list don't worry
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We just want the main list updated, still waiting for news on removals.
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Confirmed additions and removals in the 2019 edition:

Additions:
Phantom Thread
The Greatest Showman
Crazy Rich Asians
Capernaum
A Star is Born
Avengers: Infinity War
Roma
Hereditary
The Favourite
Sorry to Bother You
Vice
BlacKkKlansman

Removals:
Buffalo 66
Magnolia
Three Kings
Kippur
Amores Perros
Yi Yi
Talk to Her
Victoria
Spotlight
Under the Shadow
Dawson City: Frozen Time
Lady MacBeth

Will not comment on the changes, because it makes my head hurt. (D:)

Source: https://letterboxd.com/gubarenko/list/1 ... -die-2019/
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It's a shame there's no official source for this, so we basically have to trust "a guy on letterboxd" for this. I'll update this later today, if no other mod beats me.
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joachimt wrote: October 16th, 2019, 8:53 am no official source for this
Other than the actual book

Anyone of us can go to the nearest book store and take a picture of the index and confirm this.
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there are a lot of index pages ;)

And the sorting is very weird :(
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Tim2460 wrote: October 16th, 2019, 9:47 am there are a lot of index pages ;)

And the sorting is very weird :(
My book (an older edition, I don't have this one) has an alphabetical checklist which spans 8 pages. 4 pictures would do it.
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If this is correct, I'll drop from 1 unseen movie (Real Life) to 8 with this new edition.
I know at one point I'll watch these movies, but do I really want to ? That's a good question :)
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I lose 10, and gain 10... So this doesn't affect me really. I'm really sorry to see Yi Yi go, though...
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Additions:
Phantom Thread
Capernaum
Roma
Hereditary
The Favourite


Removals:
Magnolia
Amores Perros
Talk to Her
Victoria


5 amazing additions but at the same time 4 Removals that should've really stayed in, especially Magnolia baffles me.
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Losing but gaining 8, but I can only echo what everyone said. Still thinking about completing it next year, though.
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Victoria isn't surprising, but Magnolia, Yi Yi, Amores Perros and Talk to Her are all highly regarded and established "great films" and if they're removing them it should be an indication that they need to rethink the way they add/remove films.
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I only rated Victoria 7/10 but I really think it's a movie you should see once in your life. To shoot the whole movie in one take is really an exceptional performance.
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