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I don't think is the best of the big lists, but I'm working on it because:

1. It has a ton of great movies and classics.
2. It is one of the few lists that you can brag about finishing it in the real world.
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i completed it before, decided on not keeping Platinum by watching the extra few additions as I am not that keen on them and have other lists I am working on for now.
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max-scl on Nov 26 2016, 09:27:22 AM wrote:I don't think is the best of the big lists, but I'm working on it because:

1. It has a ton of great movies and classics.
2. It is one of the few lists that you can brag about finishing it in the real world.
This. :D
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max-scl on Nov 26 2016, 09:27:22 AM wrote:2. It is one of the few lists that you can brag about finishing it in the real world.
So true!
I sometimes brag about having bronze on the Unesco list, but I mostly get weird looks in real life. :lol:
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Any ideas when the 2017 books is coming out? Someone on here usually has an inside tip at the cover art to see a couple of the new additions in advance. That or speculation of what we can expect. I'm guessing BOTH Moonlight and La-La Land as well as The Salesman based on their tendency to always take Oscar Winners.
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Usually the new edition is released around October I believe.
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October 5th

Guesses? Moonlight, Salesman, La La Land and Toni Erdmann for sure.

US link includes preview of checklist, except for one page... Anyone wanna try and go through it?
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In:
Jungle Book (really..)
La La Land
Jackie
Hell or High Water
Manchester by the Sea
Moonlight
Toni Erdmann
Under the Shadow
Victoria
Arrival
I, Daniel Blake
13th

At least....

Salesman isn't in, my guess was because A Separation was, but it appears they pulled that one...
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Out:
Big Short
Bridge of Spies
Black Swan
Ida
Leviathan
Life of Pi
Look of Silence
A Separation
Slumdog Millionaire
Straight Outta Compton
Under the Skin
Whiplash

Is it too soon to update the list?
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If this is true, what a stupid update. Blindly kicking out a pile in favour of this year.

Jungle Book is definitely more deserving than A Separation. ...FFS.
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Nathan, I assume you went through the genre index which seems to be complete to find the new films/dropoffs?

If so, I guess we could update, it's from Amazon so that's reliable. Strange they'd have an in book preview for a book that won't be available for 3 months.
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i think this is one of those lists that really would benefit having both complete list of all versions and the newest version as official lists :P
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PeacefulAnarchy on Jul 13 2017, 01:27:16 AM wrote:Nathan, I assume you went through the genre index which seems to be complete to find the new films/dropoffs?

If so, I guess we could update, it's from Amazon so that's reliable. Strange they'd have an in book preview for a book that won't be available for 3 months.
I found out that the pages it blocks out isnt the same each time you click on the preview. B) After going through the checklist, I went the end of the book, and found the actual pages of a few more.

There is another website I go to, and I went there to share my research, and found someone already posted it. They also posted the dropoffs :D I verified before posting here...

I am not going to say with 100% certainty that it is complete, but, all additions/dropoffs posted above are correct.
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Will need to watch Jackie, Under the Shadow, Victoria, and I Daniel Blake to get plat back.
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Nathan_Treadway on Jul 12 2017, 10:52:09 PM wrote:Out:
Big Short
Bridge of Spies
Black Swan
Ida
Leviathan
Life of Pi
Look of Silence
A Separation
Slumdog Millionaire
Straight Outta Compton
Under the Skin
Whiplash

Is it too soon to update the list?
Of course I'm at 100% on the movies being dropped. Although four clearly had to go (Short, Spies, Silence, Slumdog) it seems like they really need to invest in a whole list revision next year or recent films (which this list covers well) will just keep getting cut down with a continuously smaller share.
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They really should rethink their strategy. Seems to be a fixed rule to put in ~12 new films each year and they will only remove films from the last 10 years, with exception of that one time they did a big revision of ~50 titles.

Result being that every year from about 2004 on has been pared back to just 2 or 3 films max, whereas if you look at say the 1990s each year has 10 films+. I mean, you can argue 90s were stronger than 2000s/2010s but it just seems wrong that something like A Separation gets cut whereas Independence Day and Braveheart are there in perpetuity.

Number of films:
2004 - 4
2005 - 2
2006 - 2
2007 - 2
2008 - 4 (3 after this year's cuts)
2009 - 2
2010 - 5 (4)
2011 - 2 (1)
2012 - 4 (3)
2013 - 6 (4)
2014 - 6 (3)
2015 - 9 (6)

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I guess their problem is that they are tied to the '1001' from the title. But I've realised that if you use a version that includes deleted titles, you could make an almost exact fixed edition of 1001 20th Century films (the multiple entries for Olympia, Ivan the Terrible and Dog Star Man mess it up slightly, but we can overlook that ;) ).

20th Century edition:

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(this is based on English editions only, I know Joachim has a longer list of all country editions. Also note I found a handful of errors on the list I based this on which I've tried to correct, but there may be more - please let me know if you spot any)

So my thinking is they should just release a fixed legacy edition of 20th century titles as above and then have some kind of updating 21st century version, which could be more interesting as they could have a bigger intake each year and go a lot deeper than Oscars/Cannes.
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Interesting to see someone made another list that is a lot like mine. I wonder if he knew about my list. I need to compare them, because there are titles on that list, that are not on mine. I've got 24 unchecked on his list and 14 on mine and those 14 include titles from non-English editions.
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joachimt on Jul 16 2017, 07:04:51 AM wrote:Interesting to see someone made another list that is a lot like mine. I wonder if he knew about my list. I need to compare them, because there are titles on that list, that are not on mine. I've got 24 unchecked on his list and 14 on mine and those 14 include titles from non-English editions.
There was a number of mistakes on that list which I discovered after copying it over to IMDB.

ones I corrected in my version included The Puppetmaster, MASH, 36th Chamber of Shaolin, Idioterne, Deewaar, A Chinese Ghost Story where similar titled films had been included instead. You can usually spot the errors from the low view count (and in my modified IMDB by the fact they are not coloured from being rated/watchlisted by me)

I didn't look too deeply at post 2000 films other than noticing the wrong The Captive, which I added comment about (before noticing all the others!), probably more errors there. I should've used your version but didn't realise at first that you had the different country versions separated.
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joachimt on Jul 16 2017, 07:04:51 AM wrote:Interesting to see someone made another list that is a lot like mine. I wonder if he knew about my list. I need to compare them, because there are titles on that list, that are not on mine. I've got 24 unchecked on his list and 14 on mine and those 14 include titles from non-English editions.
Does your list include this year's new entries? There are 12 of those.
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brokenface on Jul 16 2017, 07:12:22 AM wrote:
joachimt on Jul 16 2017, 07:04:51 AM wrote:Interesting to see someone made another list that is a lot like mine. I wonder if he knew about my list. I need to compare them, because there are titles on that list, that are not on mine. I've got 24 unchecked on his list and 14 on mine and those 14 include titles from non-English editions.
There was a number of mistakes on that list which I discovered after copying it over to IMDB.

ones I corrected in my version included The Puppetmaster, MASH, 36th Chamber of Shaolin, Idioterne, Deewaar, A Chinese Ghost Story where similar titled films had been included instead. You can usually spot the errors from the low view count (and in my modified IMDB by the fact they are not coloured from being rated/watchlisted by me)

I didn't look too deeply at post 2000 films other than noticing the wrong The Captive, which I added comment about (before noticing all the others!), probably more errors there. I should've used your version but didn't realise at first that you had the different country versions separated.
So is your IMDb-list the same as #1 to #1191 from my list. Those are the titles from the English editions as far as I know.
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PeacefulAnarchy on Jul 16 2017, 07:14:10 AM wrote:
joachimt on Jul 16 2017, 07:04:51 AM wrote:Interesting to see someone made another list that is a lot like mine. I wonder if he knew about my list. I need to compare them, because there are titles on that list, that are not on mine. I've got 24 unchecked on his list and 14 on mine and those 14 include titles from non-English editions.
Does your list include this year's new entries? There are 12 of those.
Not yet. I didn't realize his list already included those. I saw his list was last updated last year, so I thought he didn't include those. Apparently he added the new titles as minor update.

Has the official list been updated yet?
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joachimt on Jul 16 2017, 07:15:13 AM wrote:
brokenface on Jul 16 2017, 07:12:22 AM wrote:
joachimt on Jul 16 2017, 07:04:51 AM wrote:Interesting to see someone made another list that is a lot like mine. I wonder if he knew about my list. I need to compare them, because there are titles on that list, that are not on mine. I've got 24 unchecked on his list and 14 on mine and those 14 include titles from non-English editions.
There was a number of mistakes on that list which I discovered after copying it over to IMDB.

ones I corrected in my version included The Puppetmaster, MASH, 36th Chamber of Shaolin, Idioterne, Deewaar, A Chinese Ghost Story where similar titled films had been included instead. You can usually spot the errors from the low view count (and in my modified IMDB by the fact they are not coloured from being rated/watchlisted by me)

I didn't look too deeply at post 2000 films other than noticing the wrong The Captive, which I added comment about (before noticing all the others!), probably more errors there. I should've used your version but didn't realise at first that you had the different country versions separated.
So is your IMDb-list the same as #1 to #1191 from my list. Those are the titles from the English editions as far as I know.
My list limits it to 20th century films and has 1003 titles. Looks like it matches, at least in number. Your last 1999 title is 1004th on the list but you've got Toy Story 3 listed with Toy Story 2 ('cause I think they all got added as one entry).

You've got 100% on my list which makes me think it is correct:
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/1001 ... r=joachimt
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brokenface on Jul 16 2017, 05:34:36 AM wrote:the multiple entries for [...] Dog Star Man
So it is multiple entries?

http://www.icmforum.com/single/?p=10064268&t=7958513

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frbrown on Jul 16 2017, 10:03:10 AM wrote:
brokenface on Jul 16 2017, 05:34:36 AM wrote:the multiple entries for [...] Dog Star Man
So it is multiple entries?

http://www.icmforum.com/single/?p=10064268&t=7958513

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hmm. good question. I've looked at my copy of the book and I'd say it's ambiguous. The entry is for 'Dog Star Man (1962)' and lists a runtime of 30 mins which tallies with Part 1 only. However the text writeup about the film talks about its 'five discrete sections' which would imply the entry is meant to cover the whole lot.

I don't know if Nathan had any further info to categorically state it as just being pt 1.
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brokenface on Jul 16 2017, 10:12:07 AM wrote:
frbrown on Jul 16 2017, 10:03:10 AM wrote:
brokenface on Jul 16 2017, 05:34:36 AM wrote:the multiple entries for [...] Dog Star Man
So it is multiple entries?

http://www.icmforum.com/single/?p=10064268&t=7958513

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hmm. good question. I've looked at my copy of the book and I'd say it's ambiguous. The entry is for 'Dog Star Man (1962)' and lists a runtime of 30 mins which tallies with Part 1 only. However the text writeup about the film talks about its 'five discrete sections' which would imply the entry is meant to cover the whole lot.

I don't know if Nathan had any further info to categorically state it as just being pt 1.
No, not really. Other multiple entries, such as Dr. Mabuse, it has information about each.
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brokenface on Jul 16 2017, 05:34:36 AM wrote:They really should rethink their strategy. Seems to be a fixed rule to put in ~12 new films each year and they will only remove films from the last 10 years, with exception of that one time they did a big revision of ~50 titles.

Result being that every year from about 2004 on has been pared back to just 2 or 3 films max, whereas if you look at say the 1990s each year has 10 films+. I mean, you can argue 90s were stronger than 2000s/2010s but it just seems wrong that something like A Separation gets cut whereas Independence Day and Braveheart are there in perpetuity.

Number of films:
2004 - 4
2005 - 2
2006 - 2
2007 - 2
2008 - 4 (3 after this year's cuts)
2009 - 2
2010 - 5 (4)
2011 - 2 (1)
2012 - 4 (3)
2013 - 6 (4)
2014 - 6 (3)
2015 - 9 (6)

---

I guess their problem is that they are tied to the '1001' from the title. But I've realised that if you use a version that includes deleted titles, you could make an almost exact fixed edition of 1001 20th Century films (the multiple entries for Olympia, Ivan the Terrible and Dog Star Man mess it up slightly, but we can overlook that ;) ).

20th Century edition:

IMDB
ICM

(this is based on English editions only, I know Joachim has a longer list of all country editions. Also note I found a handful of errors on the list I based this on which I've tried to correct, but there may be more - please let me know if you spot any)

So my thinking is they should just release a fixed legacy edition of 20th century titles as above and then have some kind of updating 21st century version, which could be more interesting as they could have a bigger intake each year and go a lot deeper than Oscars/Cannes.
Whose list did you use? There are a few floating around. I was tired off seeing errors, so I made my own list. Mine was private, I just made it public, and I'm pretty confident it is accurate. It includes the new entries, as well. English editions only should be 1199, btw. (I know thats not what your list is, but, intended to be a guideline.)
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Nathan_Treadway on Jul 12 2017, 06:52:10 PM wrote:In:
Jungle Book (really..)
La La Land
Jackie
Hell or High Water
Manchester by the Sea
Moonlight
Toni Erdmann
Under the Shadow
Victoria
Arrival
I, Daniel Blake
13th

At least....

Salesman isn't in, my guess was because A Separation was, but it appears they pulled that one...
Nathan_Treadway on Jul 12 2017, 10:52:09 PM wrote:Out:
Big Short
Bridge of Spies
Black Swan
Ida
Leviathan
Life of Pi
Look of Silence
A Separation
Slumdog Millionaire
Straight Outta Compton
Under the Skin
Whiplash

Is it too soon to update the list?
Nathan_Treadway on Jul 13 2017, 02:06:46 AM wrote:
PeacefulAnarchy on Jul 13 2017, 01:27:16 AM wrote:Nathan, I assume you went through the genre index which seems to be complete to find the new films/dropoffs?

If so, I guess we could update, it's from Amazon so that's reliable. Strange they'd have an in book preview for a book that won't be available for 3 months.
I found out that the pages it blocks out isnt the same each time you click on the preview. B) After going through the checklist, I went the end of the book, and found the actual pages of a few more.

There is another website I go to, and I went there to share my research, and found someone already posted it. They also posted the dropoffs :D I verified before posting here...

I am not going to say with 100% certainty that it is complete, but, all additions/dropoffs posted above are correct.
I see no moderator updated the list yet. Since we're not sure those updates are complete, shall we wait?
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I updated the list, I double checked all those changes in the amazon preview and they all match and there don't appear to be any other movies. They never seem to change old movies, so I doubt they did this year.
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Should the complete Dog Star Man be on the National Film Registry list? Only Dog Star Man IV is on the list.
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The full entry is the one that's there for me? The only lists left to change are Criterion and Rosenbaum which I leave to Knalds and joachim to not mess up the update history.

Edit: Oh you mean only the fourth part was inducted? That's not correct. I looked up the original source for every single list for both Dog Star Man and Histoire(s)
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Dog Star Man (1961-64)

Considered a masterpiece of experimental filmmaking, Stan Brakhage’s “Dog Star Man” is a silent cosmological epic consisting of four short films and a prelude. Shot in 16mm, the film utilized variable exposure times and the physical manipulation of the film stock, including painting directly on the film and scratching its surface, to produce specific visual effects. With its innovative new techniques, it is considered to have ushered in a new age of experimental film. Brakhage later incorporated it into a longer film titled “The Art of Vision” (1965).
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Evidently the wiki list I looked at is mistaken.
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PeacefulAnarchy on Aug 2 2017, 07:24:19 PM wrote:I updated the list, I double checked all those changes in the amazon preview and they all match and there don't appear to be any other movies. They never seem to change old movies, so I doubt they did this year.
They did a "major revision" some years ago that changed older movies (including a few silents), but it's the only time I can think of them doing that.
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I checked a random sample of a hundred or so, so I think it's safe. If it turns out they actually did an update I can revise later.
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I have a few older additions of this series (most recent one I own is from 2012) and they're usually fun reads where I don't gripe about what is or isn't included much. But this year's newer crop is a bit of a head-scratcher. As previously mentioned, the exclusion of A Separation for the likes of the forgettable live action Jungle Book in particular is a bit odd.
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Good_Will_Harding on Aug 2 2017, 10:23:43 PM wrote:I have a few older additions of this series (most recent one I own is from 2012) and they're usually fun reads where I don't gripe about what is or isn't included much. But this year's newer crop is a bit of a head-scratcher. As previously mentioned, the exclusion of A Separation for the likes of the forgettable live action Jungle Book in particular is a bit odd.
I would presume it's all about money.
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I updated my version of all editions.

Seen 1315/1340. Got 17 recent titles left to watch. 8 titles are unavailable or missing subs.
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2 movies for 2005 (one of them is Tsotsi ffs), 2 in 2007 (one of them is Paranormal Activity, yeah I know why it's there but still), 2 for 2006 as well.
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There are currently 1007 titles on the iCM-list. I thought that was caused by movies with multiple entries, but I can only find Olympia 1 and 2. Which other 5 titles cause the difference? Or is there a flaw in the list and should a few titles be removed?
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joachimt on Apr 29 2018, 07:26:09 AM wrote:There are currently 1007 titles on the iCM-list. I thought that was caused by movies with multiple entries, but I can only find Olympia 1 and 2. Which other 5 titles cause the difference? Or is there a flaw in the list and should a few titles be removed?
The LOTR triology probably count as one entry in the book. Same with Ray’s triology.

On a different note, aiming to finish the list this year. Currently on 962/1007.
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72allinncallme on Apr 29 2018, 09:55:17 AM wrote:
joachimt on Apr 29 2018, 07:26:09 AM wrote:There are currently 1007 titles on the iCM-list. I thought that was caused by movies with multiple entries, but I can only find Olympia 1 and 2. Which other 5 titles cause the difference? Or is there a flaw in the list and should a few titles be removed?
The LOTR triology probably count as one entry in the book. Same with Ray’s triology.
If so, then there's still one title left. I don't think Apu and LOTR were combined into single pages in the book that I once had. Can't check, because I haven't got it anymore.
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