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#4681

Post by St. Gloede » June 16th, 2020, 7:14 pm

Ha, all but one of Truffaut's 22 features are official... He should have though of this when he made A Gorgeous Girl Like Me (which is also the only one I haven't seen... Bloody hell, even Small Change is on 1 list)

If we exclude shorts and omnibus films Welles and Visconte beats Kubrick with 15 each (Wells hits 16 if we consider his debut, Too Much Johnson, as a feature, though it was not intended as such).

Here are a few others with good scores:

Maurice Pialat: 11
Wong Kar-wai: 10

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Post by mjf314 » June 16th, 2020, 7:27 pm

St. Gloede wrote:
June 16th, 2020, 7:14 pm
If we exclude shorts and omnibus films Welles and Visconte beats Kubrick with 15 each (Wells hits 16 if we consider his debut, Too Much Johnson, as a feature, though it was not intended as such).
Their filmographies aren't 100% official (even if you exclude shorts and omnibus films). Macbeth isn't official, and Lo straniero isn't official.

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Post by St. Gloede » June 16th, 2020, 7:30 pm

Damn it, missed 1 for each - I was equally annoyed when Rohmer was 1 from getting all 25 features official, especially as the Unofficial one is among his best (and was recently official).

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Post by clemmetarey » June 16th, 2020, 7:33 pm

Hou Hsiao-hsien has 20/21, and the one missing is a collaboration with 18 other taiwanese directors.

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Post by St. Gloede » June 16th, 2020, 7:40 pm

In that case we have a clean winner.

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Post by brokenface » June 16th, 2020, 7:49 pm

Fellini beats that 23/24 only a TV thing missing on this, which i don't think really counts:
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/fede ... altoplists

Spielberg has 32/33 for his features, only Amistad missing. Good chance of full set there, I'm sure Amistad will pop up on some list sometime

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Post by brokenface » June 16th, 2020, 7:59 pm

These do get at one of the issues with filmographies as official - where do you draw the line in what counts (co-directed/anthologies, TV, shorts, docs, uncredited, etc.)

Whatever standard you picked, it'd have some issues if you used for all directors of either including too much or not enough

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » June 16th, 2020, 8:01 pm

AdamH wrote:
June 16th, 2020, 6:30 pm
Not sure that adding filmographies from directors as official lists would make much difference. People will seek out the filmographies regardless of official status and I don't think it would particularly help them to get more attention.

I don't really mind much either way but I also assume one reason behind them not being official is that it's not a list chosen because of quality of films but rather just a complete list of all films (good and bad) by a director. Also, where do you stop? You could easily added dozens of filmographies.
That’s indeed the reasons why it won’t be happening. It’s not a selection on quality. And secondly cause it would be very difficult to select which filmographies would be adopted.
But never say never, and if someone gives a real good argument why multiple filmographies should be official, I might reconsider. So far I haven’t heard any.

I also agree with Onderhonds statement before there’s really no need to do it and only feeds the unhealthy part of iCM.

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » June 16th, 2020, 8:15 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
June 16th, 2020, 2:37 pm
Onderhond wrote:
June 16th, 2020, 2:20 pm
Doesn't sound too appealing to me (also because I'm guessing which directors will be put forward for this). Do we really need to highlight the one or two remaining films within oeuvres of lauded directors to people, so they can finally watch them when they are official? Sounds like it just feeds into the unhealthy part of ICM.
Agreed - at least as far as Official Lists are concerned. I wouldn't be averse to seeing some kind of recognition though for completing large filmographies (say, 50+ feature-length films) on the site, but I don't see any reason why it should get you any points on the overall rankings.
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Post by brokenface » June 16th, 2020, 8:19 pm

Ideal world, filmographies wouldn't be official but there'd be a beautifully curated filmography section of the site. Rather than them being a mishmash of personal lists with numerous duplicate and outdated versions.

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Post by WalterNeff » June 16th, 2020, 10:26 pm

AdamH wrote:
June 16th, 2020, 6:30 pm
Not sure that adding filmographies from directors as official lists would make much difference. People will seek out the filmographies regardless of official status and I don't think it would particularly help them to get more attention.

I don't really mind much either way but I also assume one reason behind them not being official is that it's not a list chosen because of quality of films but rather just a complete list of all films (good and bad) by a director. Also, where do you stop? You could easily added dozens of filmographies.
It's pretty simple. You take the top ten most represented directors in (whatever your favorite selection of lists is). Then next year you add another 10. You stop when you get down to Ed Wood.

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Post by AdamH » June 16th, 2020, 10:39 pm

brokenface wrote:
June 16th, 2020, 8:19 pm
Ideal world, filmographies wouldn't be official but there'd be a beautifully curated filmography section of the site. Rather than them being a mishmash of personal lists with numerous duplicate and outdated versions.
Yeah, I like this idea. Might be too much work to be worthwhile but I think it would be cool. The personal lists are a bit of a mess.

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Post by Minkin » June 16th, 2020, 10:49 pm

brokenface wrote:
June 16th, 2020, 8:19 pm
Ideal world, filmographies wouldn't be official but there'd be a beautifully curated filmography section of the site. Rather than them being a mishmash of personal lists with numerous duplicate and outdated versions.
This is one of the best features of Letterboxd. I wish something similar could find its way here.

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Post by blueboybob » June 16th, 2020, 10:52 pm

Keeping this in mind for "Run the Director" challenge

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Post by nimimerkillinen » June 17th, 2020, 4:30 am

i think they would give deepened push to find out what the directors are all about for better or worse and also sentimental gesture as in hockey lifting a players shirt to ceiling after retirement

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Post by flavo5000 » June 24th, 2020, 1:46 pm

I 100% agree on the idea of a curated filmography section (which actually shouldn't be too hard to implement given there's an IMDB integration already).

Also, if any director is deserving of having his filmography become official, it's THIS GUY:
Godfrey Ho Filmography
This poor guy only has 2 out of 149 movies official today, so obviously making the whole filmography official would bring a treasure trove of valuable films to the deserving attention of cinephiles everywhere. :D

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Post by Tasselfoot » June 24th, 2020, 3:52 pm

flavo5000 wrote:
June 24th, 2020, 1:46 pm
I 100% agree on the idea of a curated filmography section (which actually shouldn't be too hard to implement given there's an IMDB integration already).

Also, if any director is deserving of having his filmography become official, it's THIS GUY:
Godfrey Ho Filmography
This poor guy only has 2 out of 149 movies official today, so obviously making the whole filmography official would bring a treasure trove of valuable films to the deserving attention of cinephiles everywhere. :D
Y'all keep joking about this... but we somehow wound up with an 800+ film noir list. Please, not again.

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Post by flavo5000 » June 24th, 2020, 4:11 pm

Tasselfoot wrote:
June 24th, 2020, 3:52 pm
flavo5000 wrote:
June 24th, 2020, 1:46 pm
I 100% agree on the idea of a curated filmography section (which actually shouldn't be too hard to implement given there's an IMDB integration already).

Also, if any director is deserving of having his filmography become official, it's THIS GUY:
Godfrey Ho Filmography
This poor guy only has 2 out of 149 movies official today, so obviously making the whole filmography official would bring a treasure trove of valuable films to the deserving attention of cinephiles everywhere. :D
Y'all keep joking about this... but we somehow wound up with an 800+ film noir list. Please, not again.
In all seriousness, the average noir is about fifty times better than the best of Godfrey Ho. I'm gonna say we're probably safe from an official Godfrey Ho list...

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Post by max-scl » June 24th, 2020, 9:45 pm

The Mexican list we've been waiting for:
(Poll on 27 experts, from 2020)
https://www.sectorcine.com/noticias-not ... mexicanas/

I added it to Icm, a couple of films that weren't on the database are missing (I've added them but cant add to the list yet) edit:done
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/sect ... e/max-scl/
Last edited by max-scl on June 24th, 2020, 11:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Post by flavo5000 » June 24th, 2020, 10:33 pm

max-scl wrote:
June 24th, 2020, 9:45 pm
The Mexican list we've been waiting for:
(Poll on 27 experts, from 2020)
https://www.sectorcine.com/noticias-not ... mexicanas/

I added it to Icm, a couple of films that weren't on the database are missing (I've added them but cant add to the list yet)
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/sect ... e/max-scl/
Nice to see El esqueleto de la señora Morales (1960) at #27. I watched it earlier this month and thought it was quite good.

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Post by Gershwin » June 24th, 2020, 10:41 pm

Nice find! Looks like a good candidate for adoption.

There's no information about the vote distribution, is there? At least I can't find it when having a quick look.
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Post by Lilarcor » June 24th, 2020, 10:42 pm

max-scl wrote:
June 24th, 2020, 9:45 pm
The Mexican list we've been waiting for:
(Poll on 27 experts, from 2020)
https://www.sectorcine.com/noticias-not ... mexicanas/

I added it to Icm, a couple of films that weren't on the database are missing (I've added them but cant add to the list yet)
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/sect ... e/max-scl/
Should definitely be an official list! (l)

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Post by max-scl » June 24th, 2020, 10:46 pm

Gershwin wrote:
June 24th, 2020, 10:41 pm
Nice find! Looks like a good candidate for adoption.

There's no information about the vote distribution, is there? At least I can't find it when having a quick look.
There is information about the points system, but no individual ballots.

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Post by Gershwin » June 24th, 2020, 10:53 pm

max-scl wrote:
June 24th, 2020, 10:46 pm
Gershwin wrote:
June 24th, 2020, 10:41 pm
Nice find! Looks like a good candidate for adoption.

There's no information about the vote distribution, is there? At least I can't find it when having a quick look.
There is information about the points system, but no individual ballots.
Yeah, I saw that indeed. To be honest I wasn't exactly looking for individual ballots. But it would be nice to know how many points went to the first film on the list, the second one, etc. In other words, does it contain one- or two-vote films? Or do films at the bottom of the list still have four or five individuals backing them up with a few points?
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Post by max-scl » June 24th, 2020, 10:58 pm

Gershwin wrote:
June 24th, 2020, 10:53 pm
max-scl wrote:
June 24th, 2020, 10:46 pm
Gershwin wrote:
June 24th, 2020, 10:41 pm
Nice find! Looks like a good candidate for adoption.

There's no information about the vote distribution, is there? At least I can't find it when having a quick look.
There is information about the points system, but no individual ballots.
Yeah, I saw that indeed. To be honest I wasn't exactly looking for individual ballots. But it would be nice to know how many points went to the first film on the list, the second one, etc. In other words, does it contain one- or two-vote films? Or do films at the bottom of the list still have four or five individuals backing them up with a few points?
Yes I was thinking that I didn't answer what you asked, sorry. No, I don't see any indication of number of votes for each film.

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Post by St. Gloede » June 24th, 2020, 11:03 pm

max-scl wrote:
June 24th, 2020, 9:45 pm
The Mexican list we've been waiting for:
(Poll on 27 experts, from 2020)
https://www.sectorcine.com/noticias-not ... mexicanas/

I added it to Icm, a couple of films that weren't on the database are missing (I've added them but cant add to the list yet)
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/sect ... e/max-scl/
Fantastic. Favourited it, and will definitely work on it. Only seen 25, but the line-up there is great, especially the top spots. Have 5 left in the top 10. Will make exploring them a priority.

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Post by Angel Glez » June 25th, 2020, 9:39 am

max-scl wrote:
June 24th, 2020, 9:45 pm
The Mexican list we've been waiting for:
(Poll on 27 experts, from 2020)
https://www.sectorcine.com/noticias-not ... mexicanas/

I added it to Icm, a couple of films that weren't on the database are missing (I've added them but cant add to the list yet) edit:done
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/sect ... e/max-scl/
:thumbsup:

Two things I don't like:
- The points system: 25,24,23...1 (that means a movie at the top gets 25 points and a movie with two mentions at the bottom gets 2 points)
- Obviously they looked for a different result than the previous SOMOS' survey so they polled different people (you choose the experts, you choose the results)

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » June 25th, 2020, 4:24 pm

max-scl wrote:
June 24th, 2020, 9:45 pm
The Mexican list we've been waiting for:
(Poll on 27 experts, from 2020)
https://www.sectorcine.com/noticias-not ... mexicanas/

I added it to Icm, a couple of films that weren't on the database are missing (I've added them but cant add to the list yet) edit:done
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/sect ... e/max-scl/
Nice find max. We, mods, will definitely look into adopting this.

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Post by Lakigigar » June 26th, 2020, 10:01 pm

satisfied to see Cinema Tropical's Best Latin American Films 2010-2019 is adopted!

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Post by dirty_score » July 1st, 2020, 4:07 pm

Since the mexican list started to make people talk about new lists, here's a wild idea: how about a B(ad)-movies list to replace/complement the one we have. I've took a look a it and it seems the ratio of dislikes in almost every movie is way high so it seems that people do not enjoy pursuing such list. It should be fun pursuing a list, even if the movies are so bad... that they're good right? Not so bad, they're so bad.

Also, a cult movies list would be nice too. Shame that the guy who was behind the A.V. Club's The New Cult Canon had to terminate the project. Makes you wonder what kind of modern cult movies we would have by now.

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Post by sol » July 1st, 2020, 4:16 pm

dirty_score wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 4:07 pm
how about a B(ad)-movies list to replace/complement the one we have. I've took a look a it and it seems the ratio of dislikes in almost every movie is way high so it seems that people do not enjoy pursuing such list. It should be fun pursuing a list, even if the movies are so bad... that they're good right? Not so bad, they're so bad.
(u) I love that list and I think several of the entries are fun and worthwhile, if not quite 8/10 quality high enough for me to 'Favorite' them on iCM. Let's not ditch it. :(
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Post by dirty_score » July 1st, 2020, 5:18 pm

sol wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 4:16 pm
dirty_score wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 4:07 pm
how about a B(ad)-movies list to replace/complement the one we have. I've took a look a it and it seems the ratio of dislikes in almost every movie is way high so it seems that people do not enjoy pursuing such list. It should be fun pursuing a list, even if the movies are so bad... that they're good right? Not so bad, they're so bad.
(u) I love that list and I think several of the entries are fun and worthwhile, if not quite 8/10 quality high enough for me to 'Favorite' them on iCM. Let's not ditch it. :(
I do agree there are some interesting films in there, some I still haven't seen and that I believe could get more attention if the list was somewhat shorter. I think is mostly the shorts that gives the list bad rep. A top 100 list would be nice. I think these movies are best viewed in the summer, drunk, with friends or whatever but especially now in these pandemic times. :cheers:

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Post by Daviddoes » July 1st, 2020, 9:43 pm

dirty_score wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 4:07 pm
Since the mexican list started to make people talk about new lists, here's a wild idea: how about a B(ad)-movies list to replace/complement the one we have. I've took a look a it and it seems the ratio of dislikes in almost every movie is way high so it seems that people do not enjoy pursuing such list. It should be fun pursuing a list, even if the movies are so bad... that they're good right? Not so bad, they're so bad.

Also, a cult movies list would be nice too. Shame that the guy who was behind the A.V. Club's The New Cult Canon had to terminate the project. Makes you wonder what kind of modern cult movies we would have by now.
I feel like any so bad that it's good list would have the same issue.Theirs over 200 lists, not every list has to please everyone.

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Post by mjf314 » July 1st, 2020, 10:27 pm

dirty_score wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 4:07 pm
Since the mexican list started to make people talk about new lists, here's a wild idea: how about a B(ad)-movies list to replace/complement the one we have. I've took a look a it and it seems the ratio of dislikes in almost every movie is way high so it seems that people do not enjoy pursuing such list. It should be fun pursuing a list, even if the movies are so bad... that they're good right? Not so bad, they're so bad.
There's also the Paste list: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/past ... htysparks/

But the Badmovies list is popular (155 favorites, 252 watchlists), and fans of the genre seem to like the list. It's not clear to me that the Paste list would have been a better choice.

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Post by St. Gloede » July 2nd, 2020, 1:21 pm

Not sure it should be an official list, in fact I can't read it (translation did not work), but great to see a seemingly strong list of Italian films from the last decade:

https://ilsorpassocinema.com/2020/02/2 ... 2010-2019/

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Post by PGonzalez » July 2nd, 2020, 1:40 pm

St. Gloede wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 1:21 pm
Not sure it should be an official list, in fact I can't read it (translation did not work), but great to see a seemingly strong list of Italian films from the last decade:

https://ilsorpassocinema.com/2020/02/2 ... 2010-2019/
Seems to follow most of the criteria, 50 critics choose their favorites and the list is ranked by number of mentions, with ties sorted alphabetically (though I couldn't find the number of picks per critic, either here or in their 2000s list). But if the reason for making the previous Italian list unofficial was the fact that it focused on a limited time period, are these lists really an option?

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 2nd, 2020, 2:06 pm

St. Gloede wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 1:21 pm
Not sure it should be an official list, in fact I can't read it (translation did not work), but great to see a seemingly strong list of Italian films from the last decade:

https://ilsorpassocinema.com/2020/02/2 ... 2010-2019/
Thanks for the find, we will look into it.

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Post by St. Gloede » July 2nd, 2020, 2:08 pm

PGonzalez wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 1:40 pm
St. Gloede wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 1:21 pm
Not sure it should be an official list, in fact I can't read it (translation did not work), but great to see a seemingly strong list of Italian films from the last decade:

https://ilsorpassocinema.com/2020/02/2 ... 2010-2019/
Seems to follow most of the criteria, 50 critics choose their favorites and the list is ranked by number of mentions, with ties sorted alphabetically (though I couldn't find the number of picks per critic, either here or in their 2000s list). But if the reason for making the previous Italian list unofficial was the fact that it focused on a limited time period, are these lists really an option?
Thanks for the info! Yes, it is not the best candidate, but at the same time, recent Italian films are not getting a lot of focus.

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 2nd, 2020, 2:12 pm

PGonzalez wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 1:40 pm
St. Gloede wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 1:21 pm
Not sure it should be an official list, in fact I can't read it (translation did not work), but great to see a seemingly strong list of Italian films from the last decade:

https://ilsorpassocinema.com/2020/02/2 ... 2010-2019/
Seems to follow most of the criteria, 50 critics choose their favorites and the list is ranked by number of mentions, with ties sorted alphabetically (though I couldn't find the number of picks per critic, either here or in their 2000s list). But if the reason for making the previous Italian list unofficial was the fact that it focused on a limited time period, are these lists really an option?
If I remember correctly the "problem" with that list wasn't just that it focused on a timeperiod, but also that it focused on specific type of films; neorealism.

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 5:01 pm

St. Gloede wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 1:21 pm
Not sure it should be an official list, in fact I can't read it (translation did not work), but great to see a seemingly strong list of Italian films from the last decade:

https://ilsorpassocinema.com/2020/02/2 ... 2010-2019/
I added the list to iCM :)
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/il+s ... ewolf2003/

They also have a list for the previous decade which I also added to iCM. Because I don't speak Italian, I didn't understand what the list actually should be and what the difference between the different group is. Google translation didn't made it completely clear to me either. I only added the first group. Maybe someone who speaks Italian understands.

They also have list for other decades, but didn't add those to iCM (yet)
The 1910s-20s: https://ilsorpassocinema.com/2018/11/06 ... xx-secolo/
The 1930s: https://ilsorpassocinema.com/2019/05/09 ... i-anni-30/
The 1940s: https://ilsorpassocinema.com/2019/12/10 ... orealismo/

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