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Post by zuma » April 23rd, 2020, 2:54 pm

joachimt wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 2:41 pm
Onderhond wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 2:37 pm
St. Gloede wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 1:32 pm
Is ICM 1.0 still around?
?

If I click on "Pssst, want to check out your progress in our new look?", it doesn't even load for me and still leads to beta.icheckmovies. So yeah, that doesn't look too official. 1.0 is still the way most people consume the site I guess.
Psst is 3.0.
The live version is 2.0.
You probably never used 1.0. It's from a long time ago. I never saw it either. It was 2.0 when I joined. Maybe someone has some old screenshots from the early days?
I am surprised you were not around for 1.0. Thought you were here forever.

I do not remember the layout, but I do remember testing this version and reading the complaints from people not liking the changes from 1.0 to 2.0. :lol:

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Post by joachimt » April 23rd, 2020, 3:04 pm

zuma wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 2:54 pm
Thought you were here forever.
Feels that way indeed. :lol:
I joined Feb 2012.
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Post by AdamH » April 23rd, 2020, 3:09 pm

I remember 1.0 and the controversy when it switched to 2.0. Amazingly, I've actually been on iCM since 2009.

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#4644

Post by zuma » April 23rd, 2020, 3:11 pm

AdamH wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 3:09 pm
I remember 1.0 and the controversy when it switched to 2.0. Amazingly, I've actually been on iCM since 2009.
Wow, that is crazy. I have been on it since Dec 2010.

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Post by AdamH » April 23rd, 2020, 3:14 pm

Rough timeline:
2009-iCM starts
2010-iCM Facebook group starts
2011-iCM forum starts (and original FB group is removed...then replaced by a new one the next day which now seems to be inactive)
2011-iCM 2.0
20??-iCM 3.0

As far as I can see, 2009 was when it started. I used to post, along with a small number of others, on the old Facebook IMDb Top 250 group and then I found iCM and the rest was history. I joined in November 2009.

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#4646

Post by Onderhond » April 23rd, 2020, 3:16 pm

mjf314 wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 2:52 pm
You can see iCM 1.0 on archive.org.

Here's the homepage: https://web.archive.org/web/20111204225 ... ovies.com/
Here's a user profile: https://web.archive.org/web/20111124173 ... file/rich/

@Onderhond: The beta site is iCM 3.0. I guess it'll become the main site sometime in the future, but I don't know when.
With progress info on the user profile! Don't let others see this :circle:

I did a little digging and found the ICM 3.0 thread, where there are some references to oldbeta and current beta. I guess 3.0 is just undergoing some redesigns while still being under development too, which probably caused my confusion.

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Post by mightysparks » April 23rd, 2020, 3:20 pm

AdamH wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 3:14 pm
Rough timeline:
2009-iCM starts
2010-iCM Facebook group starts
2011-iCM forum starts (and original FB group is removed...then replaced by a new one the next day which now seems to be inactive)
2011-iCM 2.0
20??-iCM 3.0

As far as I can see, 2009 was when it started. I used to post, along with a small number of others, on the old Facebook IMDb Top 250 group and then I found iCM and the rest was history. I joined in November 2009.
I joined in Nov 2009 too. I was still a teenager then, crazy. The site is just part of me now.
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Post by joachimt » April 23rd, 2020, 3:20 pm

AdamH wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 3:14 pm
Rough timeline:
2009-iCM starts
2010-iCM Facebook group starts
2011-iCM forum starts (and original FB group is removed...then replaced by a new one the next day which now seems to be inactive)
2011-iCM 2.0
20??-iCM 3.0

As far as I can see, 2009 was when it started. I used to post, along with a small number of others, on the old Facebook IMDb Top 250 group and then I found iCM and the rest was history. I joined in November 2009.
iCM started at January 20th 2008
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Post by WalterNeff » April 23rd, 2020, 3:22 pm

Rough timeline:
2011 - Joined iCM
2011 - Joined iCM Forum
2011 - Complained about iCM 2.0
2013 - Created "Hitler Complains About the iCM Favorite Movies List" video, which remains the high mark of iCM satire
201? - Successfully got the huge mega Noir list as adopted, to the consternation of some and the pleasure of others
2020 - Pre-Code list adopted as official

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Post by AdamH » April 23rd, 2020, 3:29 pm

mightysparks wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 3:20 pm
AdamH wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 3:14 pm
Rough timeline:
2009-iCM starts
2010-iCM Facebook group starts
2011-iCM forum starts (and original FB group is removed...then replaced by a new one the next day which now seems to be inactive)
2011-iCM 2.0
20??-iCM 3.0

As far as I can see, 2009 was when it started. I used to post, along with a small number of others, on the old Facebook IMDb Top 250 group and then I found iCM and the rest was history. I joined in November 2009.
I joined in Nov 2009 too. I was still a teenager then, crazy. The site is just part of me now.
When did we first speak (online)?

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#4651

Post by mightysparks » April 23rd, 2020, 3:33 pm

AdamH wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 3:29 pm
mightysparks wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 3:20 pm
AdamH wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 3:14 pm
Rough timeline:
2009-iCM starts
2010-iCM Facebook group starts
2011-iCM forum starts (and original FB group is removed...then replaced by a new one the next day which now seems to be inactive)
2011-iCM 2.0
20??-iCM 3.0

As far as I can see, 2009 was when it started. I used to post, along with a small number of others, on the old Facebook IMDb Top 250 group and then I found iCM and the rest was history. I joined in November 2009.
I joined in Nov 2009 too. I was still a teenager then, crazy. The site is just part of me now.
When did we first speak (online)?
I joined the FB group around August 2010 so some time after that.
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Post by zuma » April 23rd, 2020, 3:38 pm

Onderhond wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 3:16 pm
mjf314 wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 2:52 pm
You can see iCM 1.0 on archive.org.

Here's the homepage: https://web.archive.org/web/20111204225 ... ovies.com/
Here's a user profile: https://web.archive.org/web/20111124173 ... file/rich/

@Onderhond: The beta site is iCM 3.0. I guess it'll become the main site sometime in the future, but I don't know when.
With progress info on the user profile! Don't let others see this :circle:
I wonder if that is why so many of us use the progress page as a launching point.

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » April 23rd, 2020, 3:43 pm

I was already around on iCM in May 2009 :cowbow:

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#4654

Post by St. Gloede » April 23rd, 2020, 4:16 pm

mjf314 wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 2:21 pm
St. Gloede wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 2:17 pm
mjf314 wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 1:39 pm


If you just want to see how many films you've watched from each list, it could probably be done with a script. There just wouldn't be a rank.

I'm not sure if I want to spend the time to write the script. I'm just throwing the idea out there in case someone else wants to do it.
This already exists on the favourites feature, so no need - my suggestion was simply to allow us to add unofficial lists to the progress tab to have everything we want to keep an overview of all the same place.
That's what I meant. A script that displays all of your favorited (or watchlisted) lists on the progress page.
Oooh, that is really tempting, but wouldn't want to put you though all that trouble for what is likely a very niche request.

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Post by Knaldskalle » April 23rd, 2020, 4:20 pm

xianjiro wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 3:47 am
WalterNeff wrote:
April 22nd, 2020, 10:16 pm
St. Gloede wrote:
April 22nd, 2020, 9:30 pm

The purpose of official checks is to create a diverse portfolio of lists that interest the various segments of the userbase and encourages exploration.
Is it now? No mention of that in the FAQs https://www.icheckmovies.com/help/faq/
think that's St. G's purpose. I've also read somewhere the site's purpose to provide a place for "check whores" to compare their "e-penises". :think:

:shrug:
If the "check whores" have "e-penises" wouldn't that make them "check gigolos"?
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Post by St. Gloede » April 23rd, 2020, 4:37 pm

Onderhond wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 2:37 pm
St. Gloede wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 1:32 pm
Is ICM 1.0 still around?
?

If I click on "Pssst, want to check out your progress in our new look?", it doesn't even load for me and still leads to beta.icheckmovies. So yeah, that doesn't look too official. 1.0 is still the way most people consume the site I guess.
:lol:

I somehow thought you had been here longer than you have. We're on ICM 2.0.

ICM 1.0 was a much cleaner version with less features.
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April 23rd, 2020, 1:32 pm
Yes, it would simply be an extension of the watchlist feature, but adding them to the same place you track your progress for official lists, making it easier and cleaner.

I would personally like it to go even further, i.e. you have full editorial rights ver your progress tabs and can add and REMOVE lists as you see fit, so that it only covers lists you are interested in - but that may go against ICMs focus on official lists. I might be in the minority of not caring about official lists/checks (beyond added visibility).
I think you're a minority in the sense that you don't care about official checks, but do care about completing lists? I care little for official checks, also don't care a lot about progress. I see lists as a way to find new films, so progress to me is of little consequence, unless my OCD takes over.

It's obvious the gamification aspect is important to some people, I just feel it is overstated, especially on this forum, where the most diehard ICM users gather. It's just a shame it tends to overshadow some other interesting goals ICM could have.
I use "Progress" as a Library of interesting lists, as opposed to a progress tracker (which is why I'd love to be able to remodel it completely). I don't care too much about list completion, I care about ease of access in terms of recommendations. Though the progress in itself is also a good pinpoint in how thoroughly I have explored a country/niche, so it kicks in there. These days the way I work with lists (when I do) is that I get a random kick, i.e. I jump onto a specific track, say Brazilian cinema, and then I find relevant lists for recommendations and may try to complete say the Top 10, top 25, etc. depending on how much I have already seen.

I like the natural gamification in terms of lists far better than the gamification of checks, as it urges people to dive deep as opposed to just consuming "official checks" (which I hope most here don't do, anymore ;) ). That's what originally attracted me to ICM as well, easy of access to lists and the ability to track what I had seen. Before ICM I would copy interesting lists into a word doc and then manually remove what I had seen (or mark them - usually films that were unseen were bold) and then whenever I was unsure what to watch I would scroll through it (and remove films I had seen in the meantime).

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Post by WalterNeff » April 23rd, 2020, 4:37 pm

Knaldskalle wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 4:20 pm
xianjiro wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 3:47 am
WalterNeff wrote:
April 22nd, 2020, 10:16 pm


Is it now? No mention of that in the FAQs https://www.icheckmovies.com/help/faq/
think that's St. G's purpose. I've also read somewhere the site's purpose to provide a place for "check whores" to compare their "e-penises". :think:

:shrug:
If the "check whores" have "e-penises" wouldn't that make them "check gigolos"?
I'm just a gigolo and everywhere I go
People know the films I'm checking
Checking all those shorts like others play their sports
While somebody's rank I'm wrecking

I process my campaign for no shorts to remain
Then what will you say about me?
When the end comes I know I was a check gigolo
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Post by Gershwin » April 23rd, 2020, 7:45 pm

72aicm wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 2:18 pm
zuma wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 2:11 pm
(The other 10% being on The Dark Knight" film page after inadvertently clicking on that film from the search results. B)
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Post by mjf314 » April 23rd, 2020, 8:45 pm

St. Gloede wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 4:16 pm
mjf314 wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 2:21 pm
St. Gloede wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 2:17 pm


This already exists on the favourites feature, so no need - my suggestion was simply to allow us to add unofficial lists to the progress tab to have everything we want to keep an overview of all the same place.
That's what I meant. A script that displays all of your favorited (or watchlisted) lists on the progress page.
Oooh, that is really tempting, but wouldn't want to put you though all that trouble for what is likely a very niche request.
I was a little bit bored today, so I ended up writing the script. It displays favorited and watchlisted lists on the progress page, each in their own tab (but it doesn't show icons, rank, or awards). It can be used as a standalone script, or it can be used in combination with my "full list names" script (which displays full list names on both the progress page and the movie page).

I posted both scripts in the scripts thread: viewtopic.php?p=636139#p636139

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Post by St. Gloede » April 23rd, 2020, 10:28 pm

That is amazing, Mjf! Let me know when it is done and I'll start using it immediately. Already trying to think what I will use each function as. The most obvious would be to use one as a focused primary list and one as a broader collection of lists I'm interested in (and who am I kidding, that's the obvious option, I'll just do that), but it would also be the option of somehow splitting films into two types, say genres/countries vs. general lists, etc.

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Post by mjf314 » April 23rd, 2020, 10:38 pm

I fixed the bug and posted the script and a screenshot in the scripts thread.

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Post by Cocoa » April 24th, 2020, 3:29 am

Just posting in here to say that I also use the Progress page a lot (usually on a daily basis). It's the easiest way to find all the official lists in one place. It's also the easiest way to find the rankings for the official lists. Plus it's fun to see which list I do better on (compared to other people, and comparing how well I do on a list vs another list) and it's more visually appealing than a lot of the other parts of the website.

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Post by xianjiro » April 24th, 2020, 3:46 am

joachimt wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 12:24 pm
sol wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 11:35 am
St. Gloede wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 11:03 am


That's the feedback Erik and Piet gave back when ICM 1.0 was updated to 2.0. They even considered removing it entirely, but many on the forum argued against it. Would love to hear some stats from Marjin - but I would expect it to be used even less as it is now an extra click away.
Outside of 'Active Topics' on this forum, the progress page is probably single page that I refresh the most on any given day. :mellow:
Why?
I only go there if I want to go to a specific list.
To be honest, this sounds much like my own usage. I used to have the progress page as my default link on a browser button, but some months ago changed it to go the lists I've added.

The times when I use the progress page are: 1) When I want to work on a specific list and 2) when I want to update my status on all official lists in one go (instead of incrementally when I check something). So while I don't use it near as much the first few years on the site, I still do use it.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » April 24th, 2020, 4:15 am

WTF? The progress page is the primary browsing page for ICM. These are very disturbing revelations from you two.

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Post by xianjiro » April 24th, 2020, 9:24 am

Next your going to say something disturbing like accessing this forum via "Active Topics" is evil and misguided. ;)

But to be clear, just because my personal usage patterns have changed doesn't mean there is no value in the progress page. A good reason for this change has been a movement away from being able to find things in the physical library collection (pre-covid) and instead finding things I can stream. Clearly this is the only option now. When I come across something that I want to add to my watchlist, I do that on the streaming service, but that has limitations. I also add it to my spreadsheet since this allows me to record the most important data and aides searching.

And one of the reason I switched to bookmarking my added lists page is I also have lists for each streaming service which I can run list compare on, say in the voting phase of DtC since I wouldn't have captured that information before the ballot was released. So, using either my spreadsheet or one of the iCM lists I've created for streaming services, I can pick a movie to watch.

That's not to say I don't work a list. When the BOM lists changed, I'd access them via the progress page. Same was true after 21st Century Updated and I wanted to see which of the new additions I could either check out or stream. I'll probably do the same after DtC updates. But frankly, going to the Romanian, HKFA, Guldbagge, Turkish, or Korean lists (as examples) and searching for each movie in library catalog is pretty much a waste of time. I used to do that with a lot of the lists, but I'm convinced I've already seen most of everything in the local collection. It will probably be worth doing with the new Latin American decade lists once libraries reopen, but that's only because the local libraries are pretty aggressive in purchasing Spanish language materials and they'll all be from the last decade.

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Post by Fergenaprido » April 24th, 2020, 10:01 am

Fergenaprido wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 10:46 am
This actually makes me think of another possible script idea: Right now in the Enhance script, filmographies are moved to the top of the list. Would it be possible to have lists on your favorite/watchlist also be moved to the top? That would go a long way in helping to make progress on unofficial lists.
I was playing around with scripts today and discovered that the icm Enhanced script already allows for this. I changed my setting and voilà! I now have the lists I care most about at the top of the lists page for each film.

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » April 24th, 2020, 10:16 am

I also only use the progress page rarely to search for a specific list. The two main entries I use are by searching for a movie (I watched or want to watch) or through my Watchlist for inspiration what to watch next.

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » April 24th, 2020, 10:17 am

Fergenaprido wrote:
April 24th, 2020, 10:01 am
Fergenaprido wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 10:46 am
This actually makes me think of another possible script idea: Right now in the Enhance script, filmographies are moved to the top of the list. Would it be possible to have lists on your favorite/watchlist also be moved to the top? That would go a long way in helping to make progress on unofficial lists.
I was playing around with scripts today and discovered that the icm Enhanced script already allows for this. I changed my setting and voilà! I now have the lists I care most about at the top of the lists page for each film.
Yes, you can make groupings of list that are shown on the top of the lists display at a movie-page with Enchanced. I have one for all iCM Forum lists and one for all my other favorite unofficial lists.

There was/is(?) also a script even that gives all the links of all your favorited or wachtlisted lists, so you don't have to search for those all manually.

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Post by Fergenaprido » April 24th, 2020, 3:05 pm

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
April 24th, 2020, 10:17 am
Fergenaprido wrote:
April 24th, 2020, 10:01 am
Fergenaprido wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 10:46 am
This actually makes me think of another possible script idea: Right now in the Enhance script, filmographies are moved to the top of the list. Would it be possible to have lists on your favorite/watchlist also be moved to the top? That would go a long way in helping to make progress on unofficial lists.
I was playing around with scripts today and discovered that the icm Enhanced script already allows for this. I changed my setting and voilà! I now have the lists I care most about at the top of the lists page for each film.
Yes, you can make groupings of list that are shown on the top of the lists display at a movie-page with Enchanced. I have one for all iCM Forum lists and one for all my other favorite unofficial lists.

There was/is(?) also a script even that gives all the links of all your favorited or wachtlisted lists, so you don't have to search for those all manually.
Thanks. I decided to only add a few lists to those two groupings, so it didn't take me that long :)

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