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Post by xianjiro » November 5th, 2019, 4:52 am

if it were alphabetical, then Sol should have been notified of awards before me. I got the message earlier today for three new silvers in the new adoptions

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » November 5th, 2019, 4:56 am

sol got his 6 hours ago. Same time as you, apparently.

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Post by sol » November 5th, 2019, 3:15 pm

Very nice.

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Post by Cippenham » November 5th, 2019, 7:23 pm

I got notification a while back as well of awards, yesterday late morning in the Uk

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Post by 72aicm » November 5th, 2019, 9:39 pm

Angel Glez wrote:
November 4th, 2019, 2:01 pm
My mistake. Even so, you better than anyone know that a lot of those films are not so prominent to be official checks. That said, I have nothing against the full list (in fact I'm working on it), I just think it's too large to be official and that's easily fixable,
We have an official list of 1000 «noirs», a list of 1000 movies that only contains movies made in a 19 year period, a list that favour movies that no one has seen only eight people have seen (I love that list btw) and this is where you draw your line? :P

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Post by Ebbywebby » November 5th, 2019, 10:47 pm

72aicm wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 9:39 pm
a list that favour movies that no one has seen only eight people have seen (I love that list btw)
Which list is that?

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » November 5th, 2019, 11:10 pm

Ebbywebby wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 10:47 pm
72aicm wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 9:39 pm
a list that favour movies that no one has seen only eight people have seen (I love that list btw)
Which list is that?
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Post by Angel Glez » November 6th, 2019, 9:12 am

72aicm wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 9:39 pm
Angel Glez wrote:
November 4th, 2019, 2:01 pm
My mistake. Even so, you better than anyone know that a lot of those films are not so prominent to be official checks. That said, I have nothing against the full list (in fact I'm working on it), I just think it's too large to be official and that's easily fixable,
We have an official list of 1000 «noirs», a list of 1000 movies that only contains movies made in a 19 year period, a list that favour movies that no one has seen only eight people have seen (I love that list btw) and this is where you draw your line? :P
I know what you mean. If I were in charge, things would be different. :guns:

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Post by WalterNeff » November 6th, 2019, 3:11 pm

Angel Glez wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 9:12 am
72aicm wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 9:39 pm
Angel Glez wrote:
November 4th, 2019, 2:01 pm
My mistake. Even so, you better than anyone know that a lot of those films are not so prominent to be official checks. That said, I have nothing against the full list (in fact I'm working on it), I just think it's too large to be official and that's easily fixable,
We have an official list of 1000 «noirs», a list of 1000 movies that only contains movies made in a 19 year period, a list that favour movies that no one has seen only eight people have seen (I love that list btw) and this is where you draw your line? :P
I know what you mean. If I were in charge, things would be different. :guns:
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Post by OldAle1 » November 6th, 2019, 3:20 pm

WalterNeff wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 3:11 pm
Angel Glez wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 9:12 am
72aicm wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 9:39 pm

We have an official list of 1000 «noirs», a list of 1000 movies that only contains movies made in a 19 year period, a list that favour movies that no one has seen only eight people have seen (I love that list btw) and this is where you draw your line? :P
I know what you mean. If I were in charge, things would be different. :guns:
Just remember, the worst noir is better than the best Godard.
How does this apply to À bout de souffle and Alphaville?

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Post by Ebbywebby » November 6th, 2019, 8:46 pm

WalterNeff wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 3:11 pm

Just remember, the worst noir is better than the best Godard.
Ah, someone must have dropped a coin into the random WN post generator again...there's always that ticklish moment of suspense before seeing whether "The worst noir is better than the best Godard," "JoachimT should share Amor" or "We need a Pre-Code list" pops out.

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Post by WalterNeff » November 6th, 2019, 9:07 pm

Ebbywebby wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 8:46 pm
WalterNeff wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 3:11 pm

Just remember, the worst noir is better than the best Godard.
Ah, someone must have dropped a coin into the random WN post generator again...there's always that ticklish moment of suspense before seeing whether "The worst noir is better than the best Godard," "JoachimT should share Amor" or "We need a Pre-Code list" pops out.
One day you might hit the Trifecta, and all three will pop out in the same post.

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Post by Knaldskalle » November 7th, 2019, 12:16 am

WalterNeff wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 9:07 pm
Ebbywebby wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 8:46 pm
WalterNeff wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 3:11 pm

Just remember, the worst noir is better than the best Godard.
Ah, someone must have dropped a coin into the random WN post generator again...there's always that ticklish moment of suspense before seeing whether "The worst noir is better than the best Godard," "JoachimT should share Amor" or "We need a Pre-Code list" pops out.
One day you might hit the Trifecta, and all three will pop out in the same post.
Isn't that one of the signs of the Apocalypse?
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Post by xianjiro » November 7th, 2019, 1:40 am

No, but confusion is. The worst Godard is better than the best noir.

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Post by sol » November 7th, 2019, 3:29 pm

Ebbywebby wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 8:46 pm
Ah, someone must have dropped a coin into the random WN post generator again...there's always that ticklish moment of suspense before seeing whether "The worst noir is better than the best Godard," "JoachimT should share Amor" or "We need a Pre-Code list" pops out.
Definitely heard Walter talk about pre-code and noir/Godard multiple times in the past, but what's the joachimt amor thing? :shrug:
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Post by xianjiro » November 7th, 2019, 4:16 pm

sol wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 3:29 pm
Ebbywebby wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 8:46 pm
Ah, someone must have dropped a coin into the random WN post generator again...there's always that ticklish moment of suspense before seeing whether "The worst noir is better than the best Godard," "JoachimT should share Amor" or "We need a Pre-Code list" pops out.
Definitely heard Walter talk about pre-code and noir/Godard multiple times in the past, but what's the joachimt amor thing? :shrug:
JoachimT has amor (l) and Walter wants it (u) .

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Post by monclivie » November 7th, 2019, 10:35 pm

xianjiro wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 1:40 am
No, but confusion is. The worst Godard is better than the best noir.
How does this apply to À bout de souffle and Alphaville?

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Post by xianjiro » November 8th, 2019, 12:59 am

monclivie wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 10:35 pm
xianjiro wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 1:40 am
No, but confusion is. The worst Godard is better than the best noir.
How does this apply to À bout de souffle and Alphaville?
That's a question only Walter can answer. I've never been willing to buy his statements re:Godard v noirs and usually did something like stick horror in to further muck up the works.

I'm not a huge fan of Godard's later work, but I've never quite hid that either. Generally I like early Godard for the most part (the black and white years) but some a bit more than others. Not really sure when the crossover from like to not so much happens, but it is clearly that personal style of his that doesn't sit so terribly well with me. Don't believe it's mischaracterisation to say his French New Wave work is what I have enjoyed most, but not sure the exact years of FNW without looking it up.

As for noirs - honestly, I'm somewhat baffled by the amount of love they get as well. Personally, the 100 essential noirs are more than enough for me, but gotta give the people what they want. I think I've seen enough so-called noirs, neo-noirs, post-noirs, and noir-wannabees to say there's plenty of mediocre filmmaking on display and way too often the writing is horrible.

But, on the upside, don't usually have to read a noir and always have to read a Godard.

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Post by Ebbywebby » November 8th, 2019, 1:57 am

xianjiro wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 12:59 am

That's a question only Walter can answer. I've never been willing to buy his statements re: Godard v noirs
I don't think he really believes it, which just makes it trolling. :(

Some of the most tedious things I've endured just to get checks are those low-budget '40s noirs that wouldn't be official except for the bloated 1000 Noirs list. Even 810 titles is too many. There are still about 450 films only official because of that list, and I seriously doubt many of them are of importance to anyone except genre fanatics.

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Post by WalterNeff » November 8th, 2019, 2:37 am

Ebbywebby wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 1:57 am
xianjiro wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 12:59 am

That's a question only Walter can answer. I've never been willing to buy his statements re: Godard v noirs
I don't think he really believes it, which just makes it trolling. :(

Some of the most tedious things I've endured just to get checks are those low-budget '40s noirs that wouldn't be official except for the bloated 1000 Noirs list. Even 810 titles is too many. There are still about 450 films only official because of that list, and I seriously doubt many of them are of importance to anyone except genre fanatics.
The noir vs. Godard thing goes back to ancient iCM times, when Kas was active on the forum and a proponent of Godard. It's a remnant of the times when we had really good arguments fights arguments fights discussions instead of walls of text. Think of it as another way of saying tl;dr or most likely, I disagree with your position but I am constitutionally unable to write more than a paragraph about any topic.

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Post by xianjiro » November 8th, 2019, 9:47 am

WalterNeff wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 2:37 am
Ebbywebby wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 1:57 am
xianjiro wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 12:59 am

That's a question only Walter can answer. I've never been willing to buy his statements re: Godard v noirs
I don't think he really believes it, which just makes it trolling. :(

Some of the most tedious things I've endured just to get checks are those low-budget '40s noirs that wouldn't be official except for the bloated 1000 Noirs list. Even 810 titles is too many. There are still about 450 films only official because of that list, and I seriously doubt many of them are of importance to anyone except genre fanatics.
The noir vs. Godard thing goes back to ancient iCM times, when Kas was active on the forum and a proponent of Godard. It's a remnant of the times when we had really good arguments fights arguments fights discussions instead of walls of text. Think of it as another way of saying tl;dr or most likely, I disagree with your position but I am constitutionally unable to write more than a paragraph about any topic.
Well, to be perfectly honest, I'd rather spend time reading a paragraph of why noir fans love the genre so much more than I have any interest in reading why people love late Godard. I get noir's atmosphere and that it's antithetical to the Hollywood musicals, romances, and war pix that preceded the movement. I get that after WWII, people wanted and needed something grittier, something that approached life on a more realistic level, but that's where the genre fails me. Most of the movies feel just as contrived as most westerns, musicals, and romcoms of the era, probably those war pix as well - though I've no first hand experience that tells me battle wasn't really like John Wayne fighting the bad guys (but I just know it wasn't). But there are great movies that happen to be noirs, I just agree with Ebby about some of those low budget crapfests that were certainly on the old, long noir list - I don't care enough to compare that with the new list, but 1000 femme fatales are about the same as 1000 zombies in my book.

But if forced to choose, I'd pick the dudes in fedoras over dudes with machetes any day.

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Post by sol » November 8th, 2019, 2:00 pm

Anybody else notice that the Gangster 101 icon still hasn't been fixed yet?
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Post by WalterNeff » November 8th, 2019, 2:28 pm

xianjiro wrote:
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But if forced to choose, I'd pick the dudes in fedoras over dudes with machetes any day.
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Post by blocho » November 8th, 2019, 5:58 pm

This forum deserves dudes with machetes who wear fedoras.

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Post by albajos » November 8th, 2019, 6:46 pm

This forum deserves dudes with machetes who wear fedoras.

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Post by xianjiro » November 8th, 2019, 6:47 pm

aw come on, isn't one Hobo with a Shotgun good enough?

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Post by blocho » November 8th, 2019, 6:57 pm

The world was better before Hobo with a Shotgun ever happened.

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Post by Ebbywebby » November 8th, 2019, 8:49 pm

xianjiro wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 9:47 am

Well, to be perfectly honest, I'd rather spend time reading a paragraph of why noir fans love the genre so much more than I have any interest in reading why people love late Godard. I get noir's atmosphere and that it's antithetical to the Hollywood musicals, romances, and war pix that preceded the movement. I get that after WWII, people wanted and needed something grittier, something that approached life on a more realistic level, but that's where the genre fails me. Most of the movies feel just as contrived as most westerns, musicals, and romcoms of the era, probably those war pix as well - though I've no first hand experience that tells me battle wasn't really like John Wayne fighting the bad guys (but I just know it wasn't). But there are great movies that happen to be noirs, I just agree with Ebby about some of those low budget crapfests that were certainly on the old, long noir list - I don't care enough to compare that with the new list, but 1000 femme fatales are about the same as 1000 zombies in my book.
I once saw that ham who hosts TCM's "Noir Alley" slot exalt the genre....he raved something to the effect that every noir has the same ingredients, but the fascination is seeing how a different writer or director will shuffle those same ingredients. And I just thought, jeez, that sure sounds limited and dull.

I'm at 199/810 on the large noirs list (not counting a few films that I've most likely seen but am shy to mark). I'd estimate roughly half of the 199 "mattered" to me. Of those I haven't seen, I'd guess about 20 of them pass the "Would I bother DVR-ing it if it were on TV?" test. The most attractive ones are probably "The Long Good Friday," "Underworld," "The Killers" (1964), "Insomnia" (I've seen the American version) and "A Colt Is My Passport."

I recently started to watch "Hangover Square" but lost interest. Thought the musical aspect would hook me more than it did.

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Post by xianjiro » November 8th, 2019, 9:57 pm

blocho wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 6:57 pm
The world was better before Hobo with a Shotgun ever happened.
no argument from me on that! B)

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Post by xianjiro » November 8th, 2019, 10:05 pm

Ebbywebby wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 8:49 pm
xianjiro wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 9:47 am

Well, to be perfectly honest, I'd rather spend time reading a paragraph of why noir fans love the genre so much more than I have any interest in reading why people love late Godard. I get noir's atmosphere and that it's antithetical to the Hollywood musicals, romances, and war pix that preceded the movement. I get that after WWII, people wanted and needed something grittier, something that approached life on a more realistic level, but that's where the genre fails me. Most of the movies feel just as contrived as most westerns, musicals, and romcoms of the era, probably those war pix as well - though I've no first hand experience that tells me battle wasn't really like John Wayne fighting the bad guys (but I just know it wasn't). But there are great movies that happen to be noirs, I just agree with Ebby about some of those low budget crapfests that were certainly on the old, long noir list - I don't care enough to compare that with the new list, but 1000 femme fatales are about the same as 1000 zombies in my book.
I once saw that ham who hosts TCM's "Noir Alley" slot exalt the genre....he raved something to the effect that every noir has the same ingredients, but the fascination is seeing how a different writer or director will shuffle those same ingredients. And I just thought, jeez, that sure sounds limited and dull.

I'm at 199/810 on the large noirs list (not counting a few films that I've most likely seen but am shy to mark). I'd estimate roughly half of the 199 "mattered" to me. Of those I haven't seen, I'd guess about 20 of them pass the "Would I bother DVR-ing it if it were on TV?" test. The most attractive ones are probably "The Long Good Friday," "Underworld," "The Killers" (1964), "Insomnia" (I've seen the American version) and "A Colt Is My Passport."

I recently started to watch "Hangover Square" but lost interest. Thought the musical aspect would hook me more than it did.
of those you list, Hangover Square is the only one I haven't seen and I'm at 512/810 - so kinda feel I've given the genre a good go. Will also finish the short list within a month. Probably already have one or two of the three remaining titles on ILL. And luckily, having been cable and basically TV free for decades now, I haven't seen the ham you mention :lol:

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Post by Ebbywebby » November 8th, 2019, 10:32 pm

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November 8th, 2019, 10:05 pm

of those you list, Hangover Square is the only one I haven't seen and I'm at 512/810 - so kinda feel I've given the genre a good go. Will also finish the short list within a month. Probably already have one or two of the three remaining titles on ILL. And luckily, having been cable and basically TV free for decades now, I haven't seen the ham you mention :lol:
I feel like I should know what "ILL" is.

The ham is named Eddie Muller. I had to look up his last name. He does a lot of TCM movie intros holding a glass of liquor, standing amid a "noir-esque" set and aiming to look cool.

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Post by WalterNeff » November 8th, 2019, 11:34 pm

Ebbywebby wrote:
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The ham is named Eddie Muller. I had to look up his last name. He does a lot of TCM movie intros holding a glass of liquor, standing amid a "noir-esque" set and aiming to look cool.
The so-called Czar of Noir endeavors to be as cool and knowledgeable as me. :ph43r:

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Post by xianjiro » November 9th, 2019, 1:04 am

Ebbywebby wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 10:32 pm
xianjiro wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 10:05 pm

of those you list, Hangover Square is the only one I haven't seen and I'm at 512/810 - so kinda feel I've given the genre a good go. Will also finish the short list within a month. Probably already have one or two of the three remaining titles on ILL. And luckily, having been cable and basically TV free for decades now, I haven't seen the ham you mention :lol:
I feel like I should know what "ILL" is.

The ham is named Eddie Muller. I had to look up his last name. He does a lot of TCM movie intros holding a glass of liquor, standing amid a "noir-esque" set and aiming to look cool.

https://cdn2us.denofgeek.com/sites/deno ... erview.jpg

http://www.eddiemuller.com/img/sidebets ... 2_x233.jpg
ILL = InterLibrary Loan

edit: And if one aims to look anything then one isn't. It's like a fundamental rule.
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Post by Ebbywebby » November 9th, 2019, 1:05 am

WalterNeff wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 11:34 pm
Ebbywebby wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 10:32 pm

The ham is named Eddie Muller. I had to look up his last name. He does a lot of TCM movie intros holding a glass of liquor, standing amid a "noir-esque" set and aiming to look cool.
The so-called Czar of Noir endeavors to be as cool and knowledgeable as me. :ph43r:
You'll have to settle for being the Pre-Czar of Pre-Code.

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Post by WalterNeff » November 9th, 2019, 1:40 am

Ebbywebby wrote:
November 9th, 2019, 1:05 am
WalterNeff wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 11:34 pm
Ebbywebby wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 10:32 pm

The ham is named Eddie Muller. I had to look up his last name. He does a lot of TCM movie intros holding a glass of liquor, standing amid a "noir-esque" set and aiming to look cool.
The so-called Czar of Noir endeavors to be as cool and knowledgeable as me. :ph43r:
You'll have to settle for being the Pre-Czar of Pre-Code.
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Post by Lakigigar » January 10th, 2020, 1:28 pm

Would it be an idea to make both the MM top 1000 and the ICM top 1000 favourite movies official?

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Post by fori » January 10th, 2020, 2:03 pm

No let’s not do that

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Post by dirty_score » January 10th, 2020, 7:08 pm

i can see one of them being official but only as a replacement to doubling the canon.

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Post by joachimt » January 10th, 2020, 7:10 pm

As a replacement to doubling the canon doesn't make sense. It's a completely different list by nature.
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Post by Lakigigar » January 10th, 2020, 10:01 pm

We don't have a user top 1000 list, and it's something people can complete when they completed the top 250 lists. As the filmtotaal and fok! communities are dying out, it's also a way of giving recent movies an official check, as they're underrepresented. I'm strongly in favour of making them both official. The ICM list however wouldn't add new official checks.

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