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Post by Onderhond » November 1st, 2019, 9:09 pm

Cippenham wrote:
November 1st, 2019, 8:36 pm
We need more British films
http://icheckmovies.co.uk/ is still available!

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Post by xianjiro » November 1st, 2019, 10:37 pm

joachimt wrote:
November 1st, 2019, 7:38 pm
CineChile's 50 Best Chilean movies of all time just turned official. I think the blogpost will follow shortly.
the other three as well

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Post by blueboybob » November 1st, 2019, 11:30 pm

3 new official shorts!

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Post by dirty_score » November 2nd, 2019, 12:41 am

sorry to say this but who did the logos? they are horrible and completely out of place with the rest. :yucky:

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Post by Teproc » November 2nd, 2019, 12:43 am

dirty_score wrote:
November 2nd, 2019, 12:41 am
sorry to say this but who did the logos? they are horrible and completely out of place with the rest. :yucky:
The logos seem fine to me, they simply look out of place because of the black background, which should be relatively easy to fix ?

Actually they're also missing the checkmarks. But maybe this is not supposed to be visible yet, since they weren't announced.

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Post by dirty_score » November 2nd, 2019, 12:48 am

Onderhond wrote:
November 1st, 2019, 7:49 pm
62 films in a top 50 :facepalm:
that's because they insist on putting movies with 1 or 2 votes, like the swedish or finnish list or even the iranian list. some lists could actually benefit with a little cut.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » November 2nd, 2019, 1:56 am

Teproc wrote:
November 2nd, 2019, 12:43 am
dirty_score wrote:
November 2nd, 2019, 12:41 am
sorry to say this but who did the logos? they are horrible and completely out of place with the rest. :yucky:
The logos seem fine to me, they simply look out of place because of the black background, which should be relatively easy to fix ?

Actually they're also missing the checkmarks. But maybe this is not supposed to be visible yet, since they weren't announced.
They are supposed to ve visible, but it was only in making them visible that Marijn realized that they got messed up like that. He's working on it.

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Post by sol » November 2nd, 2019, 3:04 am

I hope the small check ticks get added to the new icons when Marijn fixes up at the black backgrounds.

None of the signatures for the new lists are working yet.

I have also gained my Gangsters bronze - but my IndieWire and European Film Award bronze haven't appeared yet.

The icon for the Gangsters bronze does not work on my main page.

It looks great in my trophy display case though. :D Here's to giant bronze awards into the future!

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Post by Darth Nevets » November 2nd, 2019, 3:21 am

Me too.
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Post by Nathan Treadway » November 2nd, 2019, 5:00 am

blueboybob wrote:
November 1st, 2019, 11:30 pm
3 new official shorts!
Five. One on the Women list and 4 on the Chile list.

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Post by Coryn » November 2nd, 2019, 7:20 am

A Bronx tale (1993) gets on his first official list, that's really surprising
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Post by max-scl » November 3rd, 2019, 2:56 am

dirty_score wrote:
November 2nd, 2019, 12:48 am
Onderhond wrote:
November 1st, 2019, 7:49 pm
62 films in a top 50 :facepalm:
that's because they insist on putting movies with 1 or 2 votes, like the swedish or finnish list or even the iranian list. some lists could actually benefit with a little cut.
Not the case here, there is a few films that have 2 votes but with a high rank , the rest 3 or more. There is also La Batalla de Chile which is counted as one but has 3 entries.
edit: I meant no the case meaning no films with only one vote

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Post by sol » November 3rd, 2019, 3:13 am

So, rankings have updated. I'm at:

#118 - Indiewire Women (57 films)
#528 - Gangster 101 (61 films)
#1105 - European Film Award (17 films)
#1382 - CineChile (2 films)

How long should I give Marijn before complaining about what is not working with the new lists? :shrug:

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  • Two of my three new awards have not appeared yet
I'm a little teed off by the third point. I'm half-tempted to check enough films to get a Silver in each of those lists, then uncheck those films in the hope of generating the Bronzes that I should already have. :unsure:
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » November 3rd, 2019, 3:26 am

He knows about all three and is working on it.

Indiewire's The 100 All-Time Greatest Films Directed by Women 66 / 100 #63
101 Gangster Movies You Must See Before You Die 83 / 101 #68
European film award for best film 21 / 31 #424
CineChile's 50 Best Chilean movies of all time 5 / 62 #536

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Post by Nathan Treadway » November 3rd, 2019, 4:06 am

I start out in the top 100 of 3/4 of the lists, and will be in the top 100 in the last when it updates again, so by far the best new adoptions for me.

European 30/31 5th place (only 4 have platinum on this at this point?!)
Women 62/100 88th (Surprising, actually)
Chile 14/62 90th
Gangster 79/100 115th (I checked number 80 since, which currently would put me at 99.)

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Post by Fergenaprido » November 3rd, 2019, 4:32 am

101 Gangster - 22/101 - #9420
European Award - 10/31 - #4961
Directed by Women - 40/100 - #463
Chilean movies - 6/62 - #411

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Post by sol » November 3rd, 2019, 5:07 am

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
November 3rd, 2019, 3:26 am
He knows about all three and is working on it.
Thanks, PA. I don't like being a nuisance. Good to know that he is aware of the issues.
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Post by Traveller » November 3rd, 2019, 6:56 am

The CineChile's 50 Best Chilean movies of all time appears only in the All-tab and not in the Country-tab for me.
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » November 3rd, 2019, 8:05 am

Traveller wrote:
November 3rd, 2019, 6:56 am
The CineChile's 50 Best Chilean movies of all time appears only in the All-tab and not in the Country-tab for me.
Fixed

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Post by Tim2460 » November 3rd, 2019, 8:54 am

Indiewire's The 100 All-Time Greatest Films Directed by Women 65/100 #70
101 Gangster Movies You Must See Before You Die 91 / 101 #13
European film award for best film 30 / 31 #8
CineChile's 50 Best Chilean movies of all time 6 / 62 #411

Never heard of my missing European film award ... will try to see it this week !

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Post by Cippenham » November 3rd, 2019, 8:55 am

I have seen 79 on Gangster list , 23 on European, 54 Directed by Women, 5 Chile

No Awards seen yet for some reason.
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Post by Cippenham » November 3rd, 2019, 1:02 pm

Onderhond wrote:
November 1st, 2019, 9:09 pm
Cippenham wrote:
November 1st, 2019, 8:36 pm
We need more British films
http://icheckmovies.co.uk/ is still available!
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Post by hurluberlu » November 3rd, 2019, 4:42 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
November 3rd, 2019, 8:05 am
Traveller wrote:
November 3rd, 2019, 6:56 am
The CineChile's 50 Best Chilean movies of all time appears only in the All-tab and not in the Country-tab for me.
Fixed
On the ICM page of this list, the source link doesn’t work and the films are not ordered the same way as in the list of the Chilean website. :thumbsup:
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Post by zuma » November 3rd, 2019, 5:01 pm

Just read the blog post. It mentions even more upcoming lists. I am interested to see what lists will be coming in the new year.

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Post by Traveller » November 3rd, 2019, 5:43 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
November 3rd, 2019, 8:05 am
Traveller wrote:
November 3rd, 2019, 6:56 am
The CineChile's 50 Best Chilean movies of all time appears only in the All-tab and not in the Country-tab for me.
Fixed
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Post by brokenface » November 4th, 2019, 7:22 am

Instant platinum for European film awards. Liking Gianni Amelio helps a lot here. He won three times in early years and they are the three least-checked films on the list!

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Post by Onderhond » November 4th, 2019, 10:50 am

Can't say I'm too excited about any of the additions, they don't seem to be covering a lot of new ground, apart from the Chilean one of course. The other 3 are just looking at the same set of films but from a different angle. We now have a Best Gangster list without a single Johnnie To film on it :shrug:

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Post by Angel Glez » November 4th, 2019, 11:28 am

Onderhond wrote:
November 4th, 2019, 10:50 am
Can't say I'm too excited about any of the additions, they don't seem to be covering a lot of new ground, apart from the Chilean one of course. The other 3 are just looking at the same set of films but from a different angle. We now have a Best Gangster list without a single Johnnie To film on it :shrug:
Not to mention they don't even know what a yakuza-eiga is (Branded to Kill and Sonatine are more auteur films than genre films).

Regarding the Chilean list (and other lists with similar issue): Is it not possible to have two lists, one (shorter) official and the other (full) unofficial?

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Post by Fergenaprido » November 4th, 2019, 11:36 am

Angel Glez wrote:
November 4th, 2019, 11:28 am
Onderhond wrote:
November 4th, 2019, 10:50 am
Can't say I'm too excited about any of the additions, they don't seem to be covering a lot of new ground, apart from the Chilean one of course. The other 3 are just looking at the same set of films but from a different angle. We now have a Best Gangster list without a single Johnnie To film on it :shrug:
Not to mention they don't even know what a yakuza-eiga is (Branded to Kill and Sonatine are more auteur films than genre films).

Regarding the Chilean list (and other lists with similar issue): Is it not possible to have two lists, one (shorter) official and the other (full) unofficial?
Didn't really notice that about the gangster list since it's not really a genre I care for, but you're absolutely right now that I think about it.

What's the issue with the Chilean and other lists that you're referring to Angel?

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Post by Angel Glez » November 4th, 2019, 12:13 pm

The Chilean list includes all films with at least two votes in a poll. All right. But the films at the bottom (2,3,4 votes) are hardly canonical/consensual and most of them are really obscure stuff to be official (if official means something).

The cut for Cahiers du cinéma 100 was... 16 votes. THIS should be longer!

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Post by max-scl » November 4th, 2019, 1:31 pm

The Chilean list does not incluse all films with 2 votes, only the ones that have higher number of points because of their position in the individual ballots that voted for them. 3 films with 3 votes and 19 films with 2 votes are not in the list.

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Post by Angel Glez » November 4th, 2019, 2:01 pm

max-scl wrote:
November 4th, 2019, 1:31 pm
The Chilean list does not incluse all films with 2 votes, only the ones that have higher number of points because of their position in the individual ballots that voted for them. 3 films with 3 votes and 19 films with 2 votes are not in the list.
My mistake. Even so, you better than anyone know that a lot of those films are not so prominent to be official checks. That said, I have nothing against the full list (in fact I'm working on it), I just think it's too large to be official and that's easily fixable,

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Post by Onderhond » November 4th, 2019, 2:09 pm

I don't even have an opinion on the cap, just don't have a Top 50 with 62 entries.

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Post by max-scl » November 4th, 2019, 2:16 pm

Angel Glez wrote:
November 4th, 2019, 2:01 pm
max-scl wrote:
November 4th, 2019, 1:31 pm
The Chilean list does not incluse all films with 2 votes, only the ones that have higher number of points because of their position in the individual ballots that voted for them. 3 films with 3 votes and 19 films with 2 votes are not in the list.
My mistake. Even so, you better than anyone know that a lot of those films are not so prominent to be official checks. That said, I have nothing against the full list (in fact I'm working on it), I just think it's too large to be official and that's easily fixable,
Yes, probably. The problem is that the source ranking is built that way: http://cinechile.cl/criticas-y-estudios ... s-tiempos/
So you would have to define a criteria to make a new cut and that would mean not respecting the source.
And even if you make a cut to have a top 50 you would still have to have 52 movies because of La Batalla de Chile and Onderhond would still be annoyed as hell.

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Post by Onderhond » November 4th, 2019, 2:26 pm

I can live with single source entries that are split into different ICM entries, that makes sense. If a source decide to include the LOTR trilogy as a single entry, ICM can't change that. But you just can't claim a Top 50 and put 62 different entries in (of which 3 are strongly related - so that would bring it back to 60). I realize I can be a little anal retentive about stuff like this, but this is just silly.

I mean, just call it a Top 62 if there's 62 entries there?

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Post by sol » November 4th, 2019, 3:13 pm

sol wrote:
November 3rd, 2019, 3:13 am
How long should I give Marijn before complaining about what is not working with the new lists? :shrug:

Three biggest issues for me:
  • Icons on my 'About' page not working
  • Signature images not working
  • Two of my three new awards have not appeared yet
Signatures now working! :ICM:

Icon size has improved - though it's too tiny on the main page and up-in-the-air on in the awards cabinet. :mellow:

Still waiting for two of my Bronze awards to appear (IW Female Directors and European Film Award). <_<
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » November 4th, 2019, 5:12 pm

I just got my awards updated.

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Post by Coryn » November 4th, 2019, 8:20 pm

For the people that love European Cinema, the official winners and all the nominees together can be found here:

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/euro ... s/baalman/

Since I'm a big fan I'll be looking to finish this list even though it's unofficial.
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Post by sol » November 4th, 2019, 11:16 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
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I just got my awards updated.
Nope. Still don't have them yet. :shrug:

Is it possible that the system is rolling out the awards in order of who has the highest percentage on the lists?

I can't think of what other reason there could be for different awards popping up for people at different rates. :think:

Anyway, I'll give it a little longer, but I get impatient enough, I'll just temporarily check enough seen for a Silver in both lists in order to see if the insta-award appears or whether something more individualised to my account is broken.
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » November 5th, 2019, 12:03 am

Maybe the order is account age? A lot of people have their awards but you're also not the only one without them. Also I never got the an award when you got the first one, so maybe it's cycling through the list and will get to you after?

I don't know how the award giving script works so I'm just guessing.

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