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dirty_score wrote: April 13th, 2021, 10:46 am It's one of these:

Jeon Chan-il's 100 Korean Films
Nope, not this one.
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Guess I'd prefer the AMP one, since the site's a bit more genre-minded (even though they turned it into a real ad-infested garbage heap).
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sol wrote: April 13th, 2021, 5:49 am
Fergenaprido wrote: April 13th, 2021, 3:48 am I don't think I've said anything about it up to this point, but since everyone keeps guessing them, I will confirm the third list is a country list.
Fergenaprido wrote: April 13th, 2021, 2:20 am
sol wrote: April 13th, 2021, 1:48 am Is the third list a country list?
Yes.
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Haha, oops. Not even two hours apart! :facepalm:
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Another Korean list would seem pretty unlikely given we already have two plus a sizable chunk of the Asian Cinema list too.
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Well, I didn't get an adoption request, so I know it's not this beauty:
Funky Bollywood: The Wild World of 1970s Indian Action Cinema

Btw, a third possibility is that it's a country list from a country already represented by one of those multi-country lists like Cinema Tropical or the Russell Guide to African Cinema.
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Finally a Nollywood list!
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WalterNeff wrote: April 13th, 2021, 8:59 am
Torgo wrote: April 13th, 2021, 3:18 am (In the meantime, Walter is studying all possibilities to make "Pre-Code" a country)
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Ferg has already said no to Nigeria.

Finland would make sense for a second list given some of the controversy over the current Yle list, but I don't know if I see Finland getting a second list before Norway.

The way I'd interpret Ferg is that the new list is a country list for a country that only has an awards list. Belgium and Argentina would both make sense for that.
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Taiwan could definitely do with a list of its own, though we may anger China if we do that.
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flavo5000 wrote: April 13th, 2021, 1:57 pm
Another Korean list would seem pretty unlikely given we already have two plus a sizable chunk of the Asian Cinema list too.
I agree, given the fact they're adopting the BIFF list would be odd to add another asian list. South America is getting a rest this time, there ain't good enough african lists so it's probably european:

filmSPOT's Best Portuguese Films
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dirty_score wrote: April 13th, 2021, 2:38 pm filmSPOT's Best Portuguese Films
Seen: 2/75 (2.67%)
Number of dislikes: 2/2 (100.00%)

Not looking forward to that one tehe
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Seen 23/75 - no dislikes, but also no favourites, and only a small portion of films I would call great (mainly the films by Costa).
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Seen 44 and it's a great list, not only for Costa, but it won't be it. I suggested it as an immediate replacement for the existing one when it was found, but Portugese cinema seems to be no priority... (sulk ;))
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Fergenaprido wrote: April 13th, 2021, 3:38 am No.

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No, no, no, and no. :D
No(r) way? :D
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I've only seen 8 of the Portuguese list in question, liked all of them, 3 favorites. It's a cinema I've seen very little from apart from Oliveira but would like to explore more - along with so many other national cinemas; can't say it's been any kind of priority though.

As to Africa - only Egypt really has a long enough and strong enough cinema history to warrant a list of, say, 50+ titles by itself, and I wouldn't mind seeing such a list but I don't recall any being discussed or brought forward. South Africa has been developing in some interesting ways, and I like a lot of their old cheesy (and often very non-PC) exploitation films as well, but I don't know that there's enough there - yet.

I have to say that many of my own interests and desires have been covered in the last couple of years, with the Pinoy and Israeli lists in particular. I'd still like to see larger and better genre lists in several areas but it doesn't seem that they are really out there to begin with.

So to me it's kind of exciting that the third list will be...random, as far as I'm concerned. Probably something I'd have never guessed, filling a niche I never thought about. That'd be cool.
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72aicm wrote: April 13th, 2021, 3:11 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: April 13th, 2021, 3:38 am No.

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No, no, no, and no. :D
No(r) way? :D
Rushprint's Best Norwegian Films

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Second one please!
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Really hoping it isn't the '100 Norwegian Films You Must See' list, it's too insular in the sense that it isn't going to make much sense to non-Norwegians, it's catered to Norwegian nostalgia (featuring quite a few films that aren't great but are / were traditionally shown on television during holidays) and despite its length only skims off the top when it comes to Norwegian film history, taking the obvious and popular (but not necessarily interesting / descriptive for the country as a whole). Therefore it doesn't add anything that the Rushprint list doesn't already cover, it is a bloated version of the Rushprint list. The '100' thing to me feels very forced, quite a bit of conventional filler / trash on the list. The Norwegian mafia gave it lots of votes the last time we voted for lists, but I really don't think this should be a priority to include, it reeks too much of being made as a publishing gimmick that is aping the popular 1001 concept.

The Rushprint list is quite decent, not bloated, from a respected trade journal. I wish it had more stuff outside the canon, and more documentaries (since Norway has a very interesting history here), but it's good as an introduction.
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One man's trash is another man's treasure. I'm glad with films like Fritt Vilt and Naboer on the list (and I'm surprised Død Snø didn't make it - but that's probably too recent).
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I agree that those are important films that are unfortunately missing from the Rushprint list (had the votes been made in 2020 I am sure they would have been included, given that both these horror films are now considered canon) I just feel like the length of that list is not justified overall, because it doesn't attempt to use the self-imposed restriction of 100 films to do something interesting.

e: for an example of how a 100 list can be done interestingly we only have to go to the neighbours in Sweden and their cinematheque list. Very interesting, very diverse. Of course, it's a country with a greater film culture historically.
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I do think the weakness you refer to, i.e. too many popular/nostalgia films is part of the diversity many have been requesting from lists though.

I personally prefer the Rushprint list - it is more cinephile/film buff friendly, but it doesn't even have Fjolls til fjells (1957), which is probably the second most popular Norwegian film after Flåklypa. So I think it is a question of what we want the film to be - an intro to highly respected Norwegian films, or an intro to both the respected and the popular films.
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Torgo wrote: April 13th, 2021, 3:18 am (In the meantime, Walter is studying all possibilities to make "Pre-Code" a country)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: April 13th, 2021, 5:07 pm
Torgo wrote: April 13th, 2021, 3:18 am (In the meantime, Walter is studying all possibilities to make "Pre-Code" a country)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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flavo5000 wrote: April 13th, 2021, 1:57 pm
Another Korean list would seem pretty unlikely given we already have two plus a sizable chunk of the Asian Cinema list too.
If it is one of the Korean ones than it’s most def as a replacement of one of two existing lists.
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beavis wrote: April 13th, 2021, 3:06 pm Seen 44 and it's a great list, not only for Costa, but it won't be it. I suggested it as an immediate replacement for the existing one when it was found, but Portugese cinema seems to be no priority... (sulk ;))
Maybe your departure was a signal to make it a higher priority.
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By process of elimination, I guess it has to be this list: SPOT.ph's Top 50 Pinoy Sex Films You Shouldn't Watch During Holy Week

It fills two different gaps on iCM, Asian and erotica, so it kills two birds with one stone.
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some guys who know which lists is the third are just trolling now... :)

It has already been mentioned, and it is a replacement.... mods have done all their work, waiting is on all the buttons to be pushed by the guy ;)
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WalterNeff wrote: April 13th, 2021, 8:59 am
Torgo wrote: April 13th, 2021, 3:18 am (In the meantime, Walter is studying all possibilities to make "Pre-Code" a country)
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beavis wrote: April 13th, 2021, 8:31 pm some guys who know which lists is the third are just trolling now... :)

It has already been mentioned, and it is a replacement.... mods have done all their work, waiting is on all the buttons to be pushed by the guy ;)
okay, then it sounds like a replacement for one of the Korean lists. I hope people don't get too upset about that, but we'll see.
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xianjiro wrote: April 13th, 2021, 8:59 pm
beavis wrote: April 13th, 2021, 8:31 pm some guys who know which lists is the third are just trolling now... :)

It has already been mentioned, and it is a replacement.... mods have done all their work, waiting is on all the buttons to be pushed by the guy ;)
okay, then it sounds like a replacement for one of the Korean lists. I hope people don't get too upset about that, but we'll see.
Could it be this one? AMP 101 Essential South Korean Movies
It seems like it'd represent more contemporary Korean cinema which both of the existing lists are lacking to some extent. And would it be the Film 2.0 list getting replaced since it's older and seems to have a shadier source tied to it?
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72aicm wrote: April 13th, 2021, 3:11 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: April 13th, 2021, 3:38 am No.

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No, no, no, and no. :D
No(r) way? :D
:lol:

I did a comparison of the various Norwegian lists we've found thus far. It is a country that's continually up for discussion, but not this round.
I don't know how/why you were so certain, but you are indeed correct.
flavo5000 wrote: April 13th, 2021, 10:19 pm
xianjiro wrote: April 13th, 2021, 8:59 pm
beavis wrote: April 13th, 2021, 8:31 pm some guys who know which lists is the third are just trolling now... :)

It has already been mentioned, and it is a replacement.... mods have done all their work, waiting is on all the buttons to be pushed by the guy ;)
okay, then it sounds like a replacement for one of the Korean lists. I hope people don't get too upset about that, but we'll see.
Could it be this one? AMP 101 Essential South Korean Movies
It seems like it'd represent more contemporary Korean cinema which both of the existing lists are lacking to some extent. And would it be the Film 2.0 list getting replaced since it's older and seems to have a shadier source tied to it?
Correct on both accounts.
beavis wrote: April 13th, 2021, 3:06 pm Seen 44 and it's a great list, not only for Costa, but it won't be it. I suggested it as an immediate replacement for the existing one when it was found, but Portugese cinema seems to be no priority... (sulk ;))
That's not true and you know it! :P Now, if we could somehow get those missing ten ballots.... :whistling:
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Fergenaprido wrote: April 5th, 2021, 6:37 pm
sol wrote: April 5th, 2021, 4:08 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: April 4th, 2021, 8:34 pm Three adoption request messages have been sent out.
I still don't know what to make of this.

Possibility #1 - the mods are adopting three lists and add IMDb's 2020s Top List as fourth

Possibility #2 - the mods are adopting three lists from others and one from themselves (I'm sure Ferg has a great Canadian list or two)

Possibility #3 - the mods are replacing a list without asking us for feedback on it (I hope that this isn't the case) *

Possibility #4 - the mods want to drive us nuts by having an odd number of lists and uneven columns on the Progress page :lol:

* Did they asking us about replacing a list recently? As in more recently than Russia? I vaguely recall something but not sure. :shrug:
I can confirm that one of those four possibilities is correct.
Hurrah! :folded: That said, I don't really have any opinion on replacing the 2.0 list. Nothing that I've seen will lose or gain Official status, mostly due to the giant overlap that currently exists with the KOFA list.
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sol wrote: April 14th, 2021, 1:38 am Hurrah! :folded: That said, I don't really have any opinion on replacing the 2.0 list. Nothing that I've seen will lose or gain Official status, mostly due to the giant overlap that currently exists with the KOFA list.
Barking Dogs Never Bite (2000) will lose official status.

Breathless (2008) will gain official status.
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I'm fine with the replacement. 11 films ahead on the new one. And quite a few familiar titles I never got around to watching.
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Fergenaprido wrote: April 14th, 2021, 1:19 am Now, if we could somehow get those missing ten ballots.... :whistling:
I think the makers were pretty clear that they are not ever going to share those, but the list is very strong as it is already (and having the extra ballots would not have any major impact on the list). I don't think that is a point that should prevent going for it ;)
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beavis wrote: April 14th, 2021, 11:31 am
Fergenaprido wrote: April 14th, 2021, 1:19 am Now, if we could somehow get those missing ten ballots.... :whistling:
I think the makers were pretty clear that they are not ever going to share those, but the list is very strong as it is already (and having the extra ballots would not have any major impact on the list). I don't think that is a point that should prevent going for it ;)
I agree.
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I’m happy with replacement of the film 2.0 with the AMP list. I honestly didn’t know this was the other list, when I left discussion about this replacement just started. I really thought it was the Portugal list, cause I thought there everyone agreed with beavis above. Just that there wasn’t time yet to adopt it.
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Good replacement, I agree. Seen 86/101 and had most of them lined up for August as well already.
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At least Arirang is not on the new list.
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