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Post by Cippenham » August 16th, 2012, 12:05 pm

http://www.icheckmovies.com/blog/around ... n+80+days/

Yes new lists here at last

I may work on Halliwell so may do a challenge for that in due coure:

http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/halli ... countdown/

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Post by 3eyes » August 16th, 2012, 12:30 pm

Whatever effect it has on total checks, ranking, awards etc. doesn't seem to have kicked in yet.
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Post by Cippenham » August 16th, 2012, 12:51 pm

No that takes an extra day
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Post by AdamH » August 16th, 2012, 2:39 pm

Do we still get messages on iCM when there's a new blog post?

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Post by jeroeno » August 16th, 2012, 2:57 pm

Why is the Animation list on the Miscellaneous tab? It's from BFI Screen Guides, the same as the Doc and Musical lists which are both on the Institute tab (where they belong).

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » August 16th, 2012, 3:09 pm

They should be in the non-existent Genre tab, actually. Either way, I'm glad to see the new lists are up.

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Post by 3eyes » August 16th, 2012, 3:29 pm

but Moviefreak is right, it should be in the Institutes section. Guys, are you reading?
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Post by Limedebois » August 16th, 2012, 3:38 pm

intothewild on Aug 16 2012, 08:39:27 AM wrote:Do we still get messages on iCM when there's a new blog post?
Not me.

So, I have to wait tomorrow an update to not have a tied squint at 3eyes anymore.
Guys, are you reading?
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Post by mightysparks » August 16th, 2012, 3:43 pm

Limedebois on Aug 16 2012, 09:38:39 AM wrote:
intothewild on Aug 16 2012, 08:39:27 AM wrote:Do we still get messages on iCM when there's a new blog post?
Not me.
I don't get them anymore either :(
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Post by brokenface » August 16th, 2012, 3:53 pm

mightysparks on Aug 16 2012, 09:43:24 AM wrote:
Limedebois on Aug 16 2012, 09:38:39 AM wrote:
intothewild on Aug 16 2012, 08:39:27 AM wrote:Do we still get messages on iCM when there's a new blog post?
Not me.
I don't get them anymore either :(
I got one. You guys must've upset the ICM gods :lol:

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Post by brendo333 » August 16th, 2012, 3:54 pm

I got it 6h ago. Unlike the list update messages, which are usually 2-3 days late for me.

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Post by AdamH » August 16th, 2012, 3:56 pm

I got a top lists update message today. No awards update message since 6th August (how regular are they meant to be?). Still no sign of the blog post message.

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Post by Timec » August 16th, 2012, 4:06 pm

I didn't get a message about the blog post, but I did get three separate messages about my lists being adopted (one for each list.)

I know we've known for several days now, but I'm still hopelessly excited to finally have a decent musical list and two good documentary lists. I think I'm going to focus on working through them over the next few months, rather than the challenges I was planning to participate in.

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Post by AdamH » August 16th, 2012, 4:08 pm

I'm glad there are finally a couple of decent documentary lists. Not bothered about the musicals list but I have no objection to it being added. Seems a reasonable inclusion if you're interested in that genre.

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Post by mightysparks » August 16th, 2012, 4:10 pm

I'm most excited about the BadMovies list, for giving me lots more enjoyable stuff to watch, and the Australian list for all the new checks I'll get :)
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Post by SanderO » August 16th, 2012, 4:33 pm

intothewild on Aug 16 2012, 09:56:09 AM wrote:I got a top lists update message today. No awards update message since 6th August (how regular are they meant to be?). Still no sign of the blog post message.
I haven't gotten a blog post message for the last three posts, just hadn't noticed until now! :lol:
The list and awards update messages still work fine for me, maybe you haven't gained or lost any awards for a while?

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Post by jeroeno » August 16th, 2012, 4:36 pm

The Badmovies list seems like a very cool list to work on. Do they just add stuff to the list ,like the New Cult Canon or could some of these masterpieces drop off at any moment in time?

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Post by AdamH » August 16th, 2012, 4:37 pm

SanderO on Aug 16 2012, 10:33:45 AM wrote:The list and awards update messages still work fine for me, maybe you haven't gained or lost any awards for a while?
Oh yeah, that makes sense. :facepalm:

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » August 16th, 2012, 4:39 pm

moviefreak on Aug 16 2012, 10:36:49 AM wrote:The Badmovies list seems like a very cool list to work on. Do they just add stuff to the list ,like the New Cult Canon or could some of these masterpieces drop off at any moment in time?
There's no actual top list on the website, so I guess they'll just add films that get 3 or 4 star reviews in the future.

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Post by brokenface » August 16th, 2012, 4:43 pm

PeacefulAnarchy on Aug 16 2012, 10:39:25 AM wrote:
moviefreak on Aug 16 2012, 10:36:49 AM wrote:The Badmovies list seems like a very cool list to work on. Do they just add stuff to the list ,like the New Cult Canon or could some of these masterpieces drop off at any moment in time?
There's no actual top list on the website, so I guess they'll just add films that get 3 or 4 star reviews in the future.
I don't even get the rating system here: if they give 3 or 4 stars to a bad movie are they saying it's REALLY bad? Or that it's so bad it's good? Or that it's unfairly maligned and is actually a good movie with a bad reputation?

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » August 16th, 2012, 4:49 pm

brokenface on Aug 16 2012, 10:43:14 AM wrote:
PeacefulAnarchy on Aug 16 2012, 10:39:25 AM wrote:
moviefreak on Aug 16 2012, 10:36:49 AM wrote:The Badmovies list seems like a very cool list to work on. Do they just add stuff to the list ,like the New Cult Canon or could some of these masterpieces drop off at any moment in time?
There's no actual top list on the website, so I guess they'll just add films that get 3 or 4 star reviews in the future.
I don't even get the rating system here: if they give 3 or 4 stars to a bad movie are they saying it's REALLY bad? Or that it's so bad it's good? Or that it's unfairly maligned and is actually a good movie with a bad reputation?
They(actually "he" it's just one guy) is saying the film is entertaining. So a mix of both. If a film is really bad, but not entertaining to him it gets less stars, if a film isn't actually "bad" by his criteria then it doesn't get reviewed. So this list, in theory, is bad films that are fun to watch whether because they're "so bad they're good" or "genuinely good."

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Post by mightysparks » August 16th, 2012, 4:51 pm

I would suppose the rating would just be saying 'it's enjoyable'.

Edit: Peaceful beat me :(
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Post by rohit » August 16th, 2012, 4:51 pm

Thanks to PeacefulAnarchy, finally, there's a list for good Indian films on iCM

Also, mostly the lists I voted for made it through. Super happy! :)

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Post by rohit » August 16th, 2012, 5:00 pm

brokenface on Aug 16 2012, 10:43:14 AM wrote:
PeacefulAnarchy on Aug 16 2012, 10:39:25 AM wrote:
moviefreak on Aug 16 2012, 10:36:49 AM wrote:The Badmovies list seems like a very cool list to work on. Do they just add stuff to the list ,like the New Cult Canon or could some of these masterpieces drop off at any moment in time?
There's no actual top list on the website, so I guess they'll just add films that get 3 or 4 star reviews in the future.
I don't even get the rating system here: if they give 3 or 4 stars to a bad movie are they saying it's REALLY bad? Or that it's so bad it's good? Or that it's unfairly maligned and is actually a good movie with a bad reputation?s so bad it
For Bad Movies, I just reverse my rating system. As simple as that. 1 for the best ones. Although I have never gone as low as 10.

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Post by mightysparks » August 16th, 2012, 5:02 pm

I make no distinction between 'bad' and 'good' films. Every film is rated on the same scale. As long as they're enjoyable then they are good. 'Bad' movies might be enjoyable in different ways, but it doesn't make them any less good. Sad seeing how many favourites I have on that 'bad movie' list :(
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Post by Innocuous Bird » August 16th, 2012, 5:10 pm

mightysparks on Aug 16 2012, 11:02:16 AM wrote:I make no distinction between 'bad' and 'good' films. Every film is rated on the same scale. As long as they're enjoyable then they are good. 'Bad' movies might be enjoyable in different ways, but it doesn't make them any less good. Sad seeing how many favourites I have on that 'bad movie' list :(
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Post by Innocuous Bird » August 16th, 2012, 5:13 pm

intothewild on Aug 16 2012, 08:39:27 AM wrote:Do we still get messages on iCM when there's a new blog post?
I have only received one since I signed up. But I do receive a list update almost every other day.

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Post by rohit » August 16th, 2012, 5:25 pm

mightysparks on Aug 16 2012, 11:02:16 AM wrote:I make no distinction between 'bad' and 'good' films. Every film is rated on the same scale. As long as they're enjoyable then they are good. 'Bad' movies might be enjoyable in different ways, but it doesn't make them any less good. Sad seeing how many favourites I have on that 'bad movie' list :(
I understand that. Like for The Room, which I love, it's hard for me to rate it a 9 or 10. It is conspicuously bad. Although so bad that it's good, but it still is basically bad.
For me if I rate it as high as, say, Citizen Kane or Vertigo, my world will collapse. Bad movies, hence, shall be rated in the Bizarro World rating system

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Post by rohit » August 16th, 2012, 5:27 pm

mightysparks on Aug 16 2012, 10:10:00 AM wrote:I'm most excited about the BadMovies list, for giving me lots more enjoyable stuff to watch, and the Australian list for all the new checks I'll get :)
I guess I'd say exactly that. Just cross Australian and write Indian and we're good to go.

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Post by brokenface » August 16th, 2012, 5:31 pm

btw, I noticed on the badmovies.org site (his scoring system still makes limited sense to me, but I guess it just ain't for me!) that Nosferatu is on there specifically for a version with a soundtrack by metal back Type O Negative. so it's a bit misleading that one being on the list on ICM without that context

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Post by mightysparks » August 16th, 2012, 5:32 pm

rohit on Aug 16 2012, 11:25:06 AM wrote:
mightysparks on Aug 16 2012, 11:02:16 AM wrote:I make no distinction between 'bad' and 'good' films. Every film is rated on the same scale. As long as they're enjoyable then they are good. 'Bad' movies might be enjoyable in different ways, but it doesn't make them any less good. Sad seeing how many favourites I have on that 'bad movie' list :(
I understand that. Like for The Room, which I love, it's hard for me to rate it a 9 or 10. It is conspicuously bad. Although so bad that it's good, but it still is basically bad.
For me if I rate it as high as, say, Citizen Kane or Vertigo, my world will collapse. Bad movies, hence, shall be rated in the Bizarro World rating system
Citizen Kane - 6
Vertigo - 5
The Room - 10

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My ratings are how important/enjoyable that film is to me and that's it. I'll give Orgazmo a 9 and Passion of Joan of Arc a 9, Silent Night Deadly Night an 8 and Veronika Voss an 8. Doesn't mean I enjoy them the same way, just that I enjoy them that much. Well, my 8-10s work don't work as well comparatively because they all basically equal 10, but that's a different story.
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Post by AdamH » August 16th, 2012, 5:34 pm

Who exactly is this badmovies.org guy?

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Post by mightysparks » August 16th, 2012, 5:36 pm

He's a "Marine with a highschool education". Enough qualifications for me.
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Post by mightysparks » August 16th, 2012, 5:38 pm

However, he does seem to have a huge following. I don't think it's like some random guy in his parents basement who has a website no-one knows about. His forum seems pretty active, for example: http://www.badmovies.org/forum/index.php

Btw, he has a breakdown on his ratings at the bottom of this page: http://www.badmovies.org/movies/index.h ... horratings
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » August 16th, 2012, 5:41 pm

brokenface on Aug 16 2012, 11:31:54 AM wrote:btw, I noticed on the badmovies.org site (his scoring system still makes limited sense to me, but I guess it just ain't for me!) that Nosferatu is on there specifically for a version with a soundtrack by metal back Type O Negative. so it's a bit misleading that one being on the list on ICM without that context
That film has its own imdb entry: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0353816/ I'm sure the guys will fix it.
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Badmovies.org, of course, a review website dedicated to bad movies, b-movies, and cult films. I am Andrew Borntreger, Gunnery Sergeant USMC and champion of cinematic disasters, at your service. Don't worry about the watermelon.

The reviews are not exactly model works of the English language. Who taught you how to write and why are you better than other movie reviewers?
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Post by rohit » August 16th, 2012, 5:47 pm

mightysparks on Aug 16 2012, 11:32:40 AM wrote:Citizen Kane - 6
Vertigo - 5
The Room - 10

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Post by tommy_leazaq » August 16th, 2012, 5:57 pm

rohit on Aug 16 2012, 11:25:06 AM wrote:
mightysparks on Aug 16 2012, 11:02:16 AM wrote:I make no distinction between 'bad' and 'good' films. Every film is rated on the same scale. As long as they're enjoyable then they are good. 'Bad' movies might be enjoyable in different ways, but it doesn't make them any less good. Sad seeing how many favourites I have on that 'bad movie' list :(
I understand that. Like for The Room, which I love, it's hard for me to rate it a 9 or 10. It is conspicuously bad. Although so bad that it's good, but it still is basically bad.
For me if I rate it as high as, say, Citizen Kane or Vertigo, my world will collapse. Bad movies, hence, shall be rated in the Bizarro World rating system
I don't see any problem in rating a movie based on SUBJECTIVE experience like how much I have enjoyed it, irrespective of the quality of the film. If I liked/enjoyed a less acclaimed movie as much as a more accalaimed movie, I'll never hesitate rating both at the same level.

For me, PotC 1 and It's a wonderful Life are 10/10; Cars and City Lights 9/10; Avengers and The Shop on the Main Street 8/10; Final Destination 1 and Pather Panchali 7/10; Hunger Games and Citizen Kane 6/10. But if you ask which is better among Cars and Kane obviously I'd choose the latter.

Ratings are just RELATIVE in my world.. :)

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Post by AdamH » August 16th, 2012, 6:01 pm

What is this place? Who are you? Why is that watermelon there?
Badmovies.org, of course, a review website dedicated to bad movies, b-movies, and cult films. I am Andrew Borntreger, Gunnery Sergeant USMC and champion of cinematic disasters, at your service. Don't worry about the watermelon.

The reviews are not exactly model works of the English language. Who taught you how to write and why are you better than other movie reviewers?
I am a Marine with a high school education. We are lucky that I can spell "Neanderthal." As for the second part: I might not be able to write pretty reviews like some, but I can kick their ass. If you encounter any serious errors in a review, feel free to notify me via email or, better yet, on the Message Board.
Interesting. I wonder if he knows his list is on iCM.

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Post by mightysparks » August 16th, 2012, 6:05 pm

I was concerned about the list at first because it was just 'one random guy', but considering that 1) he has quite a well-known website and 2) for such a specialty genre, a list is only going to be useful if it's compiled by someone with enough knowledge of that genre, which he is.

So I'm actually totally fine with it now.

Plus, we also have the Cult Canon list which is done by one random dude on the AV Club.
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Post by joachimt » August 16th, 2012, 6:42 pm

PeacefulAnarchy on Aug 16 2012, 11:41:12 AM wrote:
brokenface on Aug 16 2012, 11:31:54 AM wrote:btw, I noticed on the badmovies.org site (his scoring system still makes limited sense to me, but I guess it just ain't for me!) that Nosferatu is on there specifically for a version with a soundtrack by metal back Type O Negative. so it's a bit misleading that one being on the list on ICM without that context
That film has its own imdb entry: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0353816/ I'm sure the guys will fix it.
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I have seen Nosferatu and I have heard these three albums many, many times. Can I check this version now? ^_^
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