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Post by dirty_score » August 12th, 2020, 6:02 pm

mjf314 wrote:
August 12th, 2020, 4:33 pm
The author of the article, Samuel Andrade, has a Twitter account, so maybe you can try contacting him on Twitter.
I tried again and they actually responded just now:
Boa tarde,

Os votos desses "anónimos" fazem parte da contagem final. Só nos pediram
que não fossem publicados os votos e temos de respeitar esse facto.

Obrigado pelo interesse.

Cumprimentos,

filmSPOT.pt
Translation: The votes from the annonymous are already in the final count. They only asked for their votes not to be published.

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Post by Fergenaprido » August 12th, 2020, 6:26 pm

dirty_score wrote:
August 12th, 2020, 6:02 pm
mjf314 wrote:
August 12th, 2020, 4:33 pm
The author of the article, Samuel Andrade, has a Twitter account, so maybe you can try contacting him on Twitter.
I tried again and they actually responded just now:
Boa tarde,

Os votos desses "anónimos" fazem parte da contagem final. Só nos pediram
que não fossem publicados os votos e temos de respeitar esse facto.

Obrigado pelo interesse.

Cumprimentos,

filmSPOT.pt
Translation: The votes from the annonymous are already in the final count. They only asked for their votes not to be published.
Perhaps they could share with you the ballots without any names attached? Or tell you the number of votes each film received?

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Post by mjf314 » August 12th, 2020, 6:36 pm

If they can't share the ballots (even after removing the names), then are they willing to share the full list of 180 films, sorted by number of votes?

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Post by dirty_score » August 12th, 2020, 6:44 pm

Fergenaprido wrote:
August 12th, 2020, 6:26 pm
Perhaps they could share with you the ballots without any names attached? Or tell you the number of votes each film received?
mjf314 wrote:
August 12th, 2020, 6:36 pm
If they can't share the ballots (even after removing the names), then are they willing to share the full list of 180 films, sorted by number of votes?
I sent another email, asking precisely that. I'll let you know if and when they respond.

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Post by dirty_score » August 12th, 2020, 8:05 pm

dirty_score wrote:
August 12th, 2020, 6:44 pm
Fergenaprido wrote:
August 12th, 2020, 6:26 pm
Perhaps they could share with you the ballots without any names attached? Or tell you the number of votes each film received?
mjf314 wrote:
August 12th, 2020, 6:36 pm
If they can't share the ballots (even after removing the names), then are they willing to share the full list of 180 films, sorted by number of votes?
I sent another email, asking precisely that. I'll let you know if and when they respond.
Their response:
Infelizmente não será possível. Cada uma dessas pessoas pediu que não divulgássemos esses detalhes. Temos de honrar a promessa.
Cumprimentos,

filmSPOT.pt
Translation: "Sadly, it won't be possible. Each and every person asked to not divulge those details. We shall honor the promise."

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#4006

Post by Angel Glez » August 13th, 2020, 9:36 am

Thanks for trying. I understand anonymous ballots, I have seen that before, but secret ballots... :down:

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Post by mjf314 » August 13th, 2020, 12:37 pm

I've heard of secret ballots, but I've never heard of a secret list. I think they probably responded "no" to the ballot request, and didn't notice (or ignored) the full list request.

I'm not sure if you want to try again, since they might get annoyed if they get too many emails from the same person in a short time.

Maybe someone else wants to try, and just ask for a top 100, and not mention the ballots?

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#4008

Post by Angel Glez » August 13th, 2020, 2:08 pm

The ranking was made by points instead of number of votes, another bad habit.

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Post by Fergenaprido » August 14th, 2020, 7:54 pm

I've been looking for longer French lists, and I've started searching in French as well, but nothing great has turned up yet. The most common items seem to be imdb filters, allociné ratings (which operates like imdb, but they also have a wider scope of "French" than I'd like - their #2 French film right now is Capernaum (from Lebanon)).

I did find this list from Sens Critique, though, which I found kind of interesting so I added it to icm: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/sens ... genaprido/

It's also based on user ratings, and it seems they have these sort of auto-generated lists for all countries, genres, directors, and themes imaginable. This list is a mix of critically acclaimed films and popular favourites. It's only 100 titles though.

If anyone does find other French lists, especially our francophone members, please do share. A Top 200-250 would be ideal. I'm also interested in lists that skew more populist than critical, as the ones on icm that we have are already more critic-leaning.

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Post by Teproc » August 14th, 2020, 9:21 pm

I have this one which is from a "Dictionary of popular French cinema", but obviously that's a book list so it's not evolutive (it stops in the early 2000s) and is just a bunch of entries rather than any kind of ranking, and I had to make some questiobable choices about what warranted inclusion (with some entries being about a series of films for example). It does do a good job at providing an overview of popular French cinema though.

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Post by Fergenaprido » August 14th, 2020, 9:34 pm

Teproc wrote:
August 14th, 2020, 9:21 pm
I have this one which is from a "Dictionary of popular French cinema", but obviously that's a book list so it's not evolutive (it stops in the early 2000s) and is just a bunch of entries rather than any kind of ranking, and I had to make some questiobable choices about what warranted inclusion (with some entries being about a series of films for example). It does do a good job at providing an overview of popular French cinema though.
Thanks! I'd already watchlisted that one, but I've got over 500 lists on my watchlist now, so I forget most of them, though I do try to keep that watchlist organized. :turned:
Time to revisit this one though!

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Post by galimx » August 15th, 2020, 4:28 pm

My fave list in kinda a colored order. Any thoughts? Any new recommendations?

MY FAVE LIST

What I mostly like at the moment is japan cinema, dreamy films, experimental films, slow cinema... etc

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Post by Nathan Treadway » August 15th, 2020, 4:39 pm

galimx wrote:
August 15th, 2020, 4:28 pm
My fave list in kinda a colored order. Any thoughts? Any new recommendations?

MY FAVE LIST

What I mostly like at the moment is japan cinema, dreamy films, experimental films, slow cinema... etc
Interesting way to compile a favs list... Looking over it, it seems like you'd fit in pretty well here. :)

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Post by AdamH » August 15th, 2020, 9:24 pm

galimx wrote:
August 15th, 2020, 4:28 pm
My fave list in kinda a colored order. Any thoughts? Any new recommendations?

MY FAVE LIST

What I mostly like at the moment is japan cinema, dreamy films, experimental films, slow cinema... etc
Very interesting list, thanks for sharing! Really like what you did with the order of the films. Looks like we share a few favourite Japanese films. You might want to take a look at the forum's list of favourite Japanese films: https://letterboxd.com/icmforum/list/ic ... ovies-top/

Have you watched the Ningen no Joken/The Human Condition trilogy?

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Post by beavis » August 19th, 2020, 10:28 am

https://letterboxd.com/brian_davisson/l ... xia-films/

there aren't that many (longer) lists dedicated to the wuxia, so this is a nice surprise
I've seen 54/100, and most of the others were already "on my radar", but I'm still going to bookmark this for tips!

btw I've also seen some strange entries (the header allready warns for this ;)) to me wuxia is a pure fantasy genre, with the action located in Jianghu or "the martial world". So anything that takes place in the actual world, or anything with guns and such, ain't wuxia.

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Post by Onderhond » August 19th, 2020, 11:31 am

Decent list alright, though the genre definition seems a bit odd and there seem to be some very notable films missing (Hero - or did they include the wrong one?). Seen 69/100 myself. Mostly missing a bunch of Shaw Bros films and since I'm eyeing those anyway there aren't that many tips, but could be nice to look at the ones that don't seem that familiar.

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Post by beavis » August 19th, 2020, 11:50 am

I thought there were some political controversies around Hero, which might immediately make it too flawed for a lot of people to consider it...? But I myself wasn't aware of issues when I saw the movie (enjoyed the action and all the technical skill on display very much) and never looked into what exactly was the problem with the movie was (was it the content and/or the director?) so couldn't really say anything more on this.

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Post by Onderhond » August 19th, 2020, 12:14 pm

Yeah, it's supposed to be propaganda, then again everything is supposed to be propaganda when it's Chinese. I know there were some issues with that, but never got the feeling is was so widespread it cancelled the film. Would be surprised it that was really the reason. There seems to be an overall preference for older films though, not many 21st century films in there.

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Post by mjf314 » August 20th, 2020, 2:04 am

I'm happy with the #1 choice. The 8 Diagram Pole Fighter is one of my favorite wuxia films. I'm surprised that Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon is missing. I'm not aware of any controversy surrounding it. Or is it not considered a wuxia film? I'm not much of an expert on the definition of wuxia.

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Post by beavis » August 20th, 2020, 6:28 am

I only glanced at what I had already seen and focused more on the stuff I need to seek out, but missing Crouching Tiger is a strange omission for a wuxia list indeed. Because of the big international/mainstream/breakout success of the movie it might not be "cool" to vote for it? ;) Would certainly be in my top 5, maybe 3!

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Post by Onderhond » August 20th, 2020, 7:09 am

Didn't like it much myself, but you would definitely expect it in such a list.
@beavis: any idea what the average profile is of the people who voted for that list? I looked around on their forum for a bit, but it doesn't seem very active.

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Post by beavis » August 20th, 2020, 7:28 am

I don't know the forum, but I think there is some overlap between members with this forum...? the number one on the list is for me clearly such a title that gets voted for a lot because it is on forum lists from this form and their forum for instance... little echo chamber effect there :)

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Post by Teproc » August 20th, 2020, 8:11 am

I think Crouching Tiger is not as popular with Mandarin speakers because the actors are all Cantonese speakers mangling their Mandarin dialogue apparently, so maybe that's part of the reason.

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#4024

Post by dirty_score » August 23rd, 2020, 10:12 am

Not exactly a list but a recently book of Japanese Cinema that came out and might prove useful for fans:
The Japanese Cinema Book provides a new and comprehensive survey of one of the world's most fascinating and widely admired filmmaking regions. (...) Ranging from renowned directors such as Akira Kurosawa to neglected popular genres such as the film musical and encompassing topics such as ecology, spectatorship, home-movies, colonial history and relations with Hollywood and Europe, The Japanese Cinema Book presents a set of new, and often surprising, perspectives on Japanese film.

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » August 23rd, 2020, 12:15 pm

Onderhond wrote:
August 20th, 2020, 7:09 am
Didn't like it much myself, but you would definitely expect it in such a list.
@beavis: any idea what the average profile is of the people who voted for that list? I looked around on their forum for a bit, but it doesn't seem very active.
I’m not familiar with that forum either, but I know there some members here active there too (like beavis said). Looking at their top 250, it seems they are slightly even more “arthouse” focused than us (and of course less official list focused). It also includes The Red Spectacles, so you might like that list ;)

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Post by Onderhond » August 23rd, 2020, 12:18 pm

What a random addition :D . Seems they have a small "Asian" club there alright.

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » August 23rd, 2020, 8:48 pm

beavis wrote:
August 19th, 2020, 10:28 am
https://letterboxd.com/brian_davisson/l ... xia-films/

there aren't that many (longer) lists dedicated to the wuxia, so this is a nice surprise
I've seen 54/100, and most of the others were already "on my radar", but I'm still going to bookmark this for tips!

btw I've also seen some strange entries (the header allready warns for this ;)) to me wuxia is a pure fantasy genre, with the action located in Jianghu or "the martial world". So anything that takes place in the actual world, or anything with guns and such, ain't wuxia.
I added the list to iCM: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/scfz ... ewolf2003/.

Here's another wuxia list: https://theendofcinema.net/2016/02/11/3 ... xia-films/ This one is more pure in its approach to the genre. Added it also to iCM: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/the+ ... ewolf2003/

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Post by dirty_score » August 28th, 2020, 1:18 pm

Earlier this month, Timeout Hong Kong updated their list of Best Hong Kong films.

I added it to ICM: Timeout's The 100 Best Hong Kong Films

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Post by Fergenaprido » August 28th, 2020, 2:53 pm

The 101 Sci-Fi Films YMSBYD list on icm is from the 2009 book, but I just learned today that there was a 2016 republication of the book. Does anyone have access to it to see if the content is the same, or if there were any updates made to the list of films included? I haven't been able to find anything online yet.

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Post by dirty_score » August 28th, 2020, 4:09 pm

Fergenaprido wrote:
August 28th, 2020, 2:53 pm
The 101 Sci-Fi Films YMSBYD list on icm is from the 2009 book, but I just learned today that there was a 2016 republication of the book. Does anyone have access to it to see if the content is the same, or if there were any updates made to the list of films included? I haven't been able to find anything online yet.
A few changes: https://www.listchallenges.com/print-list/278392

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Post by Fergenaprido » August 28th, 2020, 4:28 pm

dirty_score wrote:
August 28th, 2020, 4:09 pm
Fergenaprido wrote:
August 28th, 2020, 2:53 pm
The 101 Sci-Fi Films YMSBYD list on icm is from the 2009 book, but I just learned today that there was a 2016 republication of the book. Does anyone have access to it to see if the content is the same, or if there were any updates made to the list of films included? I haven't been able to find anything online yet.
A few changes: https://www.listchallenges.com/print-list/278392
Sweet. Thanks dirty!

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » August 28th, 2020, 9:51 pm

Speaking about sci-fi. Wired released a nice, tho predictable list about the sci-fi one should watch. It's a bit skewed to modern movies. Added it to iCM:
about https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/wire ... ewolf2003/

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Post by beasterne » August 29th, 2020, 4:59 pm

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
August 28th, 2020, 9:51 pm
Speaking about sci-fi. Wired released a nice, tho predictable list about the sci-fi one should watch. It's a bit skewed to modern movies. Added it to iCM:
about https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/wire ... ewolf2003/
Thanks for adding the list. I haven’t looked at the source list, but I’m guessing they meant to include the original Tron rather than the 2010 sequel.

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » August 29th, 2020, 5:24 pm

beasterne wrote:
August 29th, 2020, 4:59 pm
Lonewolf2003 wrote:
August 28th, 2020, 9:51 pm
Speaking about sci-fi. Wired released a nice, tho predictable list about the sci-fi one should watch. It's a bit skewed to modern movies. Added it to iCM:
about https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/wire ... ewolf2003/
Thanks for adding the list. I haven’t looked at the source list, but I’m guessing they meant to include the original Tron rather than the 2010 sequel.
Indeed. Thanks for noticing.


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Post by Fergenaprido » August 30th, 2020, 10:36 am

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August 30th, 2020, 8:49 am
Top 50 Australian Independent Films: http://www.innersense.com.au/mif/50_films.html

The 100 Greatest Australian Films: http://curnblog.com/2014/10/30/100-grea ... own-under/
I was going to add both to icm, but most of the films on the first list are so independent that they're not even on imdb :D

So here's the second one: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/curn ... genaprido/

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Post by dirty_score » August 30th, 2020, 12:58 pm

They must be really obscure. Wonder how many sol and mighty have seen. :D


Found some sports lists:

Vulture's The 50 Greatest Sports Movies of All Time: https://www.vulture.com/article/best-sp ... anked.html Published in 2019, updated in 2020. Ranked.

AP's Top 25 sports movies list: https://apnews.com/2337bdb7da176b61b8c5b3c406981417 Based on a poll from a panel of 70 writers and editors. # of votes included.

Axio's The 50 best sports documentaries: https://www.axios.com/best-sports-docum ... 15c0f.html Published in 2020.

BBC's 50 sport films you must see: https://www.bbc.com/sport/live/52072024 Selected and reviewed by BBC Sports journalists. Listed in alphabetical order. They also issued a survey with #mybestsportfilm for fans to vote in their favorite sports film. Published in 2020.

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Post by Fergenaprido » August 31st, 2020, 10:02 am

dirty_score wrote:
August 30th, 2020, 12:58 pm
They must be really obscure. Wonder how many sol and mighty have seen. :D


Found some sports lists:

Vulture's The 50 Greatest Sports Movies of All Time: https://www.vulture.com/article/best-sp ... anked.html Published in 2019, updated in 2020. Ranked.

AP's Top 25 sports movies list: https://apnews.com/2337bdb7da176b61b8c5b3c406981417 Based on a poll from a panel of 70 writers and editors. # of votes included.

Axio's The 50 best sports documentaries: https://www.axios.com/best-sports-docum ... 15c0f.html Published in 2020.

BBC's 50 sport films you must see: https://www.bbc.com/sport/live/52072024 Selected and reviewed by BBC Sports journalists. Listed in alphabetical order. They also issued a survey with #mybestsportfilm for fans to vote in their favorite sports film. Published in 2020.
I added the three general ones to icm... maybe I'll add the doc one later, but anyone else can feel free to do it if it tickles their fancy.

Vulture: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/vult ... genaprido/
AP: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/aps+ ... genaprido/
BBC Sport: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/bbc+ ... genaprido/

Vulture's list turned out better than I thought it would. AP's is short, but it would be interesting to get ahold of their full list/ballots, especially the 69 films that received 2 or more votes. BBC Sport is decidedly British, and it seems we don't have many sports fans from the UK on icm; 4 films with under 50 checks, including one film has only a single check!

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Post by galimx » September 1st, 2020, 3:52 pm

AdamH wrote:
August 15th, 2020, 9:24 pm
galimx wrote:
August 15th, 2020, 4:28 pm
My fave list in kinda a colored order. Any thoughts? Any new recommendations?

MY FAVE LIST

What I mostly like at the moment is japan cinema, dreamy films, experimental films, slow cinema... etc
Very interesting list, thanks for sharing! Really like what you did with the order of the films. Looks like we share a few favourite Japanese films. You might want to take a look at the forum's list of favourite Japanese films: https://letterboxd.com/icmforum/list/ic ... ovies-top/

Have you watched the Ningen no Joken/The Human Condition trilogy?
Not yet but I plan to...
Some new additions to my favorite list lately. Been a good month for films.

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Post by mjf314 » September 3rd, 2020, 6:31 pm

https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11124092
Yle News's best Finnish films of the 2010s (voted by critics)

It was published in December 2019, but I don't think it's been posted in this thread yet.

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