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Post by fori » February 22nd, 2019, 5:24 am

mjf314 wrote:
February 22nd, 2019, 4:49 am
Top 100 films, voted by Australians: https://top100.flicks.com.au/

It says "13107 votes were cast". I'm not sure if that means 13107 people voted, or if each person could vote for multiple films.
Emblematic of how dead Australian culture is. I didn’t go through everything, but it looked like it was 90% Hollywood blockbusters, and the rest was other high profile stuff that gets endless TV reruns. As much as I think that Australian movies are shit, I’m shocked to see that even the average joe on flicks.com.au seems to agree with me, only voting nominally Australian Hollywood blockbuster Mad Max 4 & obligatory people’s champ The Castle into the top 100.
Also I’d guess each person could vote multiple times, the famous Triple J Hottest 100 poll inflates numbers the same way.

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Post by Nathan Treadway » February 22nd, 2019, 5:50 am

mjf314 wrote:
February 22nd, 2019, 4:49 am
Top 100 films, voted by Australians: https://top100.flicks.com.au/

It says "13107 votes were cast". I'm not sure if that means 13107 people voted, or if each person could vote for multiple films.
Glancing over it, it's not a very interesting list. I'm only seeing 1 non English film, Amelie, which is probably one of the most overrated films ever, and is on all these lists, just so they can say "Hey! I like foreign films too!" Not that I have anything against English language films, it's just, lists like this all look EXACTLY the same, and is almost completely the same as 100 films selected at random from IMDb's Top 250.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » February 22nd, 2019, 6:01 am

Imdb has dominated the conception of popular film in the Anglosphere for well over a decade, so it's not surprising that a popular film list from a slice of its core audience resembles its top 250 with slight cultural variations. Their gender balance must be better than imdb's to include Mean Girls and Ghost and Breakfast at Tiffany's and other romantic films.

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Post by Mothravka » February 22nd, 2019, 6:52 am

Nathan Treadway wrote:
February 22nd, 2019, 5:50 am
Glancing over it, it's not a very interesting list. I'm only seeing 1 non English film, Amelie, which is probably one of the most overrated films ever, and is on all these lists, just so they can say "Hey! I like foreign films too!" Not that I have anything against English language films, it's just, lists like this all look EXACTLY the same, and is almost completely the same as 100 films selected at random from IMDb's Top 250.
Spirited Away (2001) is there too. But yeah, I agree with you. At least they themselves think it's "mighty", as they said in the description. Yikes!

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Post by mjf314 » February 22nd, 2019, 7:45 am

mjf314 wrote:
February 22nd, 2019, 4:49 am
Top 100 films, voted by Australians: https://top100.flicks.com.au/
I posted this in the wrong thread by mistake, so I moved it (and the responses) to this thread.

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Post by Fergenaprido » February 22nd, 2019, 1:37 pm

mjf314 wrote:
February 22nd, 2019, 4:49 am
Top 100 films, voted by Australians: https://top100.flicks.com.au/

It says "13107 votes were cast". I'm not sure if that means 13107 people voted, or if each person could vote for multiple films.
What an odd list. Also noted on the surprising inclusion of various romantic films, and the lack of non-English ones. I suspect most people who saw/voted for Spirited Away saw the English dub, so I don't know if I would count it as "foreign language".

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Post by max-scl » February 22nd, 2019, 7:39 pm

What virus infected people in the past years that they think Shawshank Redemprion is a great movie?

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Post by joachimt » February 22nd, 2019, 7:48 pm

max-scl wrote:
February 22nd, 2019, 7:39 pm
What virus infected people in the past years that they think Shawshank Redemprion is a great movie?
I'm sure Lammetje will be pleased with this list. Both Shawshank AND Titanic in the top 3. :o
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Post by Armoreska » February 23rd, 2019, 9:17 am

max-scl wrote:
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What virus infected people in the past years that they think Shawshank Redemprion is a great movie?
What :satstunned:
Even on ICM fav movies, it's at #111

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Post by Timec » February 26th, 2019, 5:44 pm

I'm in the process of adding this new list of greatest films by female filmmakers from Indiewire:

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/02/femal ... 202045399/

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » February 26th, 2019, 6:03 pm

Timec wrote:
February 26th, 2019, 5:44 pm
I'm in the process of adding this new list of greatest films by female filmmakers from Indiewire:

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/02/femal ... 202045399/
No Mädchen in Uniform :( , there are some other omissions, there always are, but at first glance that looks like a pretty good list that covers broad ground quite well.

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Post by Lilarcor » February 26th, 2019, 6:29 pm

I'm really liking this list, the best of its kind ("starter list") I have seen so far. I think pretty much anyone new to cinema would discover some new favorites here (or favorite directors), and there are a few entries that I haven't had on my radar.

My complaint would be the lack of Ann Hui and Maren Ade, but it's not the end of the world.


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Post by beavis » February 26th, 2019, 8:35 pm

6x2017, 2x2018 and even a 2019 movie makes almost 10% of the list brand spanking new.
This is always a thing with polls, but you'd hope they select a panel of people who can look beyond what just came out in theaters, on dvd (a box about woman pioneer directors) and who recently passed away

That said, it might be good as an introduction-list, they didn't limit the scope to one movie per director or some such criteria, and despite the lack of rigor i percieve, it is curated by a publication of some standard, so it might be one of the better options we have seen yet...

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Post by mjf314 » March 10th, 2019, 10:50 am

A Year With Women vs Indiewire
Decade breakdownsShow
A Year With Women:
1890: 0 (0%)
1900: 0 (0%)
1910: 0 (0%)
1920: 0 (0%)
1930: 1 (0.97%)
1940: 2 (1.94%)
1950: 1 (0.97%)
1960: 4 (3.88%)
1970: 9 (8.74%)
1980: 9 (8.74%)
1990: 25 (24.27%)
2000: 30 (29.13%)
2010: 22 (21.36%)

Indiewire:
1890: 0 (0%)
1900: 0 (0%)
1910: 2 (2%)
1920: 2 (2%)
1930: 0 (0%)
1940: 2 (2%)
1950: 2 (2%)
1960: 6 (6%)
1970: 10 (10%)
1980: 10 (10%)
1990: 23 (23%)
2000: 21 (21%)
2010: 22 (22%)
Some most notable omissions, sorted by number of official lists:

A Year With Woman is missing The Adventures of Prince Achmed, Portrait of Jason, Lady Bird, Antonia, News from Home, Frozen

Indiewire is missing Triumph of the Will, The Gleaners & I, The Ascent, Vagabond, An Angel at My Table, Little Miss Sunshine, Ratcatcher, Fast Times at Ridgemont High

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Post by beavis » March 10th, 2019, 11:01 am

thanks mjf! a 60% overlap is respectable and the decade breakdowns are remarkably similar. On first glance I would have thought Indiewire to be more skewed towards recent cinema (because the last two or three years áre over-represented a bit in that list). You always win some and lose some when looking at individual titles. especially Agnes Varda and Claire Denis are better served by a year with women (luckily they still have multiple titles in the shared column :thumbsup: ). But the Indiewire list ticks better boxes when it comes to source...

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Post by Fergenaprido » March 24th, 2019, 8:03 am

Your icm link is just the site's link again. I believe this is the list you added: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/boys ... waynathan/

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Post by Nathan Treadway » March 24th, 2019, 1:58 pm

Oops.. I must've not copied the ICM link. Thanks.

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Post by Minkin » March 28th, 2019, 2:04 pm

I watched The African Lion (1955) on TCM, and during the outro, Leonard Maltin says this was the only Disney True Life film selected for Pauline Kael's "top films for children" list.

I can't seem to find this list anywhere, has anyone ever tracked it down?


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Post by Apu » April 14th, 2019, 4:20 pm

The complete list of film critic Leonard Maltin's BOMBs: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/leon ... bombs/apu/

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Post by mjf314 » April 14th, 2019, 7:51 pm

Apu wrote:
April 14th, 2019, 4:20 pm
The complete list of film critic Leonard Maltin's BOMBs: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/leon ... bombs/apu/
I'm glad to see The Transformers: The Movie on this list, one of the worst animated films I've ever seen.

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Post by beasterne » April 22nd, 2019, 2:59 pm

Here's an interesting list that was posted on reddit.com/r/truefilm a few days ago: A Guide to Cinephilia, created by Korean film critic Jung Sung-Il in 2016. It's an interesting perspective on classic films, and the fact that it's written for aspiring Korean cinephiles in particular helps the list cover new ground. I went ahead and added the list to icm, but I think it's worthwhile to read the full article with all of the descriptions of the components of the list as well:

1. the reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueFilm/comme ... _aspiring/
2. the icm list: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/a+gu ... beasterne/

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Post by Armoreska » April 22nd, 2019, 3:33 pm

mjf314 wrote:
April 14th, 2019, 7:51 pm
Apu wrote:
April 14th, 2019, 4:20 pm
The complete list of film critic Leonard Maltin's BOMBs: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/leon ... bombs/apu/
I'm glad to see The Transformers: The Movie on this list, one of the worst animated films I've ever seen.
You'd appreciate it better if you saw the series.
(because the movie is so much better)
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viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1434
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Post by mjf314 » April 22nd, 2019, 11:14 pm

Armoreska wrote:
April 22nd, 2019, 3:33 pm
mjf314 wrote:
April 14th, 2019, 7:51 pm
Apu wrote:
April 14th, 2019, 4:20 pm
The complete list of film critic Leonard Maltin's BOMBs: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/leon ... bombs/apu/
I'm glad to see The Transformers: The Movie on this list, one of the worst animated films I've ever seen.
You'd appreciate it better if you saw the series.
(because the movie is so much better)
Thanks for the warning. I'll be sure to avoid to series.

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Post by Nathan Treadway » May 2nd, 2019, 3:07 am

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2019/4 ... K6nczarAt0

So, the 2010's lists start.. I'll go ahead and put the top 75 (3 votes) up, if someone wants to be ambitious and put the whole list up, the "who voted" is available.

Edit: iCM list

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » May 2nd, 2019, 5:15 am

Nathan Treadway wrote:
May 2nd, 2019, 3:07 am
https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2019/4 ... K6nczarAt0

So, the 2010's lists start.. I'll go ahead and put the top 75 (3 votes) up, if someone wants to be ambitious and put the whole list up, the "who voted" is available.

Edit: iCM list
Uwe Boll (Director, “Alone in the Dark”)

The Wolf of Wall Street
The Big Short
Drive
The Raid 2
Assault on Wall Street

That last one is his own film.

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Post by Armoreska » May 2nd, 2019, 6:10 am

That's illegal! Bit looks like it's actually not that bad. I might check it out.
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Post by Nathan Treadway » May 2nd, 2019, 6:33 am

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
May 2nd, 2019, 5:15 am
Nathan Treadway wrote:
May 2nd, 2019, 3:07 am
https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2019/4 ... K6nczarAt0

So, the 2010's lists start.. I'll go ahead and put the top 75 (3 votes) up, if someone wants to be ambitious and put the whole list up, the "who voted" is available.

Edit: iCM list
Uwe Boll (Director, “Alone in the Dark”)

The Wolf of Wall Street
The Big Short
Drive
The Raid 2
Assault on Wall Street

That last one is his own film.
:lol: Not the least bit conceited? Their first mistake was inviting him to participate. I wonder if S&S will?

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Post by Fergenaprido » May 2nd, 2019, 2:36 pm

How come the icm list doesn't match up with the Top 75 (which is 4+ votes, not 3+ votes)? https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2019/4 ... the-decade

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Post by Nathan Treadway » May 2nd, 2019, 2:56 pm

Fergenaprido wrote:
May 2nd, 2019, 2:36 pm
How come the icm list doesn't match up with the Top 75 (which is 4+ votes, not 3+ votes)? https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2019/4 ... the-decade
Ugh.. They must've edited it..


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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » May 9th, 2019, 12:45 am

Ennui is kicking in so I'm starting to do some icm lists for books. I alternate between books when I have to wait for a film to be added onto icm.

I expected this list to be much better tbh but it only took like 15-20 minutes to make: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/post ... thy420xxx/

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » May 9th, 2019, 1:13 am

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/80s+ ... thy420xxx/

I love this list. Way too niche for it to become official though.

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Post by funkybusiness » May 9th, 2019, 1:14 am

0/266

looks pretty fun.

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » May 9th, 2019, 1:38 am

funkybusiness wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 1:14 am
0/266

looks pretty fun.
I'd definitely recommend seeing either Deadly Prey or American Hunter. Conquest is pretty great too and I'm usually not a Fulci fan.

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » May 9th, 2019, 2:14 am

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/masc ... thy420xxx/

I assume the context of these films is more important than the list of films themselves. Will definitely read this soon.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » May 9th, 2019, 2:14 am

funkybusiness wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 1:14 am
0/266

looks pretty fun.
I've seen 8: 5 dislikes, the other 3 are also bad.

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