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Post by Melvelet » October 13th, 2018, 6:43 pm

Gershwin wrote:
October 13th, 2018, 10:56 am
It's behind a paywall. Do you have access to the complete poll? I wouldn't mind adding it to iCM.
What is missing?

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Post by mjf314 » October 13th, 2018, 7:01 pm

Gershwin wrote:
October 13th, 2018, 10:56 am
It's behind a paywall. Do you have access to the complete poll? I wouldn't mind adding it to iCM.
The top 100 and full list of vote counts are in Angel's post. Or are you looking for the ballots?

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Post by frbrown » October 13th, 2018, 7:31 pm

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October 13th, 2018, 6:12 pm
Top 100 looks a good list, probably would be better than either of the current official Italian lists as a general intro to Italian cinema (first list is limited 1942-1978
This new list is also heavily dominated by films from 1942-78 period.

And "I Knew Her Well" is #2 of all time! I can't say that I keep up with the tastes of Italian critics, but when did that film become so acclaimed?

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Post by mjf314 » October 13th, 2018, 8:13 pm

frbrown wrote:
October 13th, 2018, 7:31 pm
brokenface wrote:
October 13th, 2018, 6:12 pm
Top 100 looks a good list, probably would be better than either of the current official Italian lists as a general intro to Italian cinema (first list is limited 1942-1978
This new list is also heavily dominated by films from 1942-78 period.

And "I Knew Her Well" is #2 of all time! I can't say that I keep up with the tastes of Italian critics, but when did that film become so acclaimed?
That surprised me too. I'm also surprised that Il Sorpasso is #3. I know it's popular on this forum, but I didn't know it was that popular among Italian critics.

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Post by edward5 » October 13th, 2018, 9:23 pm

I Knew Her Well and Il Sorpasso both get digital restorations, festivals and Blu-rays in recent years.

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Post by Gershwin » October 13th, 2018, 10:07 pm

mjf314 wrote:
October 13th, 2018, 7:01 pm
Gershwin wrote:
October 13th, 2018, 10:56 am
It's behind a paywall. Do you have access to the complete poll? I wouldn't mind adding it to iCM.
The top 100 and full list of vote counts are in Angel's post. Or are you looking for the ballots?
I was only looking at the part that was quoted, didn't notice it wasn't the complete post. :facepalm:
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Post by dirty_score » October 14th, 2018, 4:52 am

A list of best italian films without "Cinema Paradiso" or "La vita é Bella" is complete pointless! :down:

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Post by Angel Glez » October 14th, 2018, 10:46 am

frbrown wrote:
October 13th, 2018, 7:31 pm
brokenface wrote:
October 13th, 2018, 6:12 pm
Top 100 looks a good list, probably would be better than either of the current official Italian lists as a general intro to Italian cinema (first list is limited 1942-1978
This new list is also heavily dominated by films from 1942-78 period.

And "I Knew Her Well" is #2 of all time! I can't say that I keep up with the tastes of Italian critics, but when did that film become so acclaimed?
The 1942-78 list is very interesting but it's not a greatest films list. Inductions had to be socially significant in some way, so peplums, spaghetti westerns, giallos or experimental films were excluded.
I didn't see "I Knew Her Well" coming either...


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Post by edward5 » October 14th, 2018, 12:45 pm

brokenface wrote:
October 14th, 2018, 11:15 am
Added the top 100 on ICM:

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/film ... rokenface/

Break Up (Marco Ferreri, 1965) may be this film L'uomo dei cinque palloni (1968) aka Break Up.
But I am not sure.

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Post by brokenface » October 14th, 2018, 2:05 pm

edward5 wrote:
October 14th, 2018, 12:45 pm
brokenface wrote:
October 14th, 2018, 11:15 am
Added the top 100 on ICM:

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/film ... rokenface/

Break Up (Marco Ferreri, 1965) may be this film L'uomo dei cinque palloni (1968) aka Break Up.
But I am not sure.
ah cheers, seems like it's both actually, going by the IMDB trivia on Oggi, domani, dopodomani:
"The Marco Ferreri episode was originally filmed as a full length movie, but producer Carlo Ponti wasn't happy with the final product, and decided to incorporate it into this portmanteau project."

Must've subsequently been released as a full feature (hence the year discrepancy)

Makes more sense to put the feature film on this list than the shortened version in the anthology so i'll switch it.

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Post by mjf314 » October 15th, 2018, 12:12 am

Angel Glez wrote:
October 14th, 2018, 10:46 am
The 1942-78 list is very interesting but it's not a greatest films list. Inductions had to be socially significant in some way, so peplums, spaghetti westerns, giallos or experimental films were excluded.
Are peplums, spaghetti westerns, giallos and experimental films not socially significant?

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Post by mjf314 » October 15th, 2018, 3:04 am

FilmTV vs One hundred film and one country, Italy
FilmTV but not One hundred film and one country, Italy (49)Show
One hundred film and one country, Italy but not FilmTV (59)Show
1. 4 passi fra le nuvole (1942)
5. Sciuscià (1946)
6. L'onorevole Angelina (1947)
10. La città dolente (1949)
11. Cielo sulla palude (1949)
13. Catene (1949)
14. Il cammino della speranza (1950)
15. Domenica d'agosto (1950)
16. Cronaca di un amore (1950)
17. Luci del varietà (1951)
18. Prima comunione (1950)
23. La famiglia Passaguai (1951)
26. Lo sceicco bianco (1952)
28. Don Camillo (1952)
29. Pane, amore e fantasia (1953)
31. La spiaggia (1954)
32. Napoletani a Milano (1953)
33. Febbre di vivere (1953)
34. La provinciale (1953)
35. Carosello napoletano (1954)
36. Il sole negli occhi (1953)
37. L'oro di Napoli (1954)
38. Un americano a Roma (1954)
39. L'arte di arrangiarsi (1955)
41. La strada (1954)
42. Una donna libera (1954)
43. Gli sbandati (1955)
44. Un eroe dei nostri tempi (1957)
45. Poveri ma belli (1957)
49. Arrangiatevi (1959)
51. I magliari (1959)
55. La ragazza con la valigia (1961)
56. La lunga notte del '43 (1960)
57. Il bell'Antonio (1960)
62. Leoni al sole (1961)
66. Mafioso (1962)
72. Chi lavora è perduto (In capo al mondo) (1963)
73. La vita agra (1964)
76. Comizi d'amore (1964)
80. La Cina è vicina (1967)
82. Banditi a Milano (1968)
83. Il medico della mutua (1968)
86. L'udienza (1972)
87. Diario di un maestro (1973)
88. Il caso Mattei (1972)
90. Nel nome del padre (1971)
93. Pane e cioccolata (1974)
96. Cadaveri eccellenti (1976)
99. Padre padrone (1977)
101. I dimenticati (1959)
102. Lu tempu di li pisci spata (1955)
103. Isole di fuoco (1955)
104. Surfarara (1955)
105. Parabola d'oro (1955)
106. Pasqua in Sicilia (1955)
107. Contadini del mare (1955)
108. Pescherecci (1958)
109. Pastori di Orgosolo (1958)
110. Un giorno in Barbagia (1958)
Here are the 3-vote and 2-vote films (sorted by vote count):
FilmTV 3-vote and 2-vote filmsShow
Buongiorno, notte (Marco Bellocchio, 2003) 3
Così ridevano (Gianni Amelio, 1998) 3
Dal Polo all'Equatore (Yervant Gianikian, Angela Ricci Lucchi, 1986) 3
Gruppo di famiglia in un interno (Luchino Visconti, 1974) 3
Il caso Mattei (Francesco Rosi, 1972) 3
Il mestiere delle armi (Ermanno Olmi, 2001) 3
Il pianeta azzurro (Franco Piavoli, 1982) 3
Il vedovo (Dino Risi, 1959) 3
La presa del potere di Luigi XIV (Roberto Rossellini, 1966) 3
La ragazza in vetrina (Luciano Emmer, 1960) 3
La verifica incerta (Gianfranco Baruchello, Alberto Grifi, 1965) 3
Lamerica (Gianni Amelio, 1994) 3
L'oro di Napoli (Vittorio De Sica, 1954) 3
Oh! Uomo (Yervant Gianikian, Angela Ricci Lucchi, 2004) 3
Ostia (Sergio Citti, 1970) 3
Per un pugno di dollari (Sergio Leone, 1964) 3
Roma (Federico Fellini, 1972) 3
Roma ore 11 (Giuseppe De Santis, 1952) 3
Teorema (Pier Paolo Pasolini, 1968) 3
Todo modo (Elio Petri, 1975) 3
Zabriskie Point (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1969) 3
Altri tempi (Alessandro Blasetti, 1952) 2
Amici miei (Mario Monicelli, 1975) 2
Banditi a Orgosolo (Vittorio De Seta, 1961) 2
Buone notizie (Elio Petri, 1979) 2
Caccia tragica (Giuseppe De Santis, 1946) 2
Capricci (Carmelo Bene, 1969) 2
Che cosa sono le nuvole (Pier Paolo Pasolini, 1967) 2
Chiamami col tuo nome (Luca Guadagnino, 2017) 2
Cronaca di un amore (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1950) 2
Diario di un maestro (Vittorio De Seta, 1972) 2
Diario di un vizio (Marco Ferreri, 1993) 2
Emanuelle in America (Joe D'Amato (Aristide Massaccesi), 1976) 2
Fellini Satyricon (Federico Fellini, 1969) 2
Giù la testa (Sergio Leone, 1972) 2
Grandi magazzini (Mario Camerini, 1939) 2
I fidanzati (Ermanno Olmi, 1963) 2
I giorni contati (Elio Petri, 1962) 2
I tre volti della paura (Mario Bava, 1963) 2
Il fiore delle Mille e una notte (Pier Paolo Pasolini, 1974) 2
Il fuoco (la favilla - la vampa - la cenere) (Giovanni Pastrone, 1916) 2
Il giudizio universale (Vittorio De Sica, 1961) 2
Il portiere di notte (Liliana Cavani, 1974) 2
Il potere (Augusto Tretti, 1974) 2
Il racconto dei racconti - Tale of Tales (Matteo Garrone, 2015) 2
Il tempo si è fermato (Ermanno Olmi, 1959) 2
La contessa di Parma (Alessandro Blasetti, 1937) 2
La grande bellezza (Paolo Sorrentino, 2013) 2
La luna (Bernardo Bertolucci, 1979) 2
La nave delle donne maledette (Raffaello Matarazzo, 1953) 2
La paura: Non credo all'amore (Roberto Rossellini, 1954) 2
La ragazza con la valigia (Valerio Zurlini, 1961) 2
La strada (Federico Fellini, 1954) 2
La tragedia di un uomo ridicolo (Bernardo Bertolucci, 1981) 2
La visita (Antonio Pietrangeli, 1963) 2
Le conseguenze dell'amore (Paolo Sorrentino, 2004) 2
Lezioni di storia (Jean-Marie Straub, Danièle Huillet, 1972) 2
L'imperatore di Roma (Nico D'Alessandria, 1987) 2
Lo sceicco bianco (Federico Fellini, 1952) 2
Lo zio di Brooklyn (Daniele Ciprì, Franco Maresco, 1995) 2
Ludwig (Luchino Visconti, 1973) 2
Mafioso (Alberto Lattuada, 1962) 2
Noi credevamo (Mario Martone, 2010) 2
Nostos - Il ritorno (Franco Piavoli, 1989) 2
Operai, contadini (Jean-Marie Straub, Danièle Huillet, 2001) 2
Operazione paura (Mario Bava, 1966) 2
Padre padrone (Paolo Taviani, Vittorio Taviani, 1977) 2
Pasqualino Settebellezze (Lina Wertmüller, 1975) 2
Prix de Beauté (Augusto Genina, 1930) 2
Rapsodia satanica (Nino Oxilia, 1915) 2
Reality (Matteo Garrone, 2012) 2
Sacro GRA (Gianfranco Rosi, 2013) 2
Se sei vivo spara (Oro Hondo) (Giulio Questi, 1967) 2
Torneranno i prati (Ermanno Olmi, 2014) 2
Totò, Peppino e la... malafemmina (Camillo Mastrocinque, 1956) 2
Un maledetto imbroglio (Pietro Germi, 1959) 2
Vinni lu tempu de li pisci spata (Vittorio De Seta, 1954) 2
Vito e gli altri (Antonio Capuano, 1991) 2
The most notable films missing from the FilmTV list seem to be La strada (2 votes) and Sciuscià (1 vote).

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Post by mjf314 » October 15th, 2018, 5:22 am

Top 9 Icelandic films, voted by 12 experts: http://stockfishfestival.is/the-best-fi ... y/?lang=en

Each person voted for 1 film and wrote comments about the film. The top 2 films got 3 votes and 2 votes. The other 7 films got 1 vote.

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Post by Angel Glez » October 15th, 2018, 11:42 am

mjf314 wrote:
October 15th, 2018, 12:12 am
Angel Glez wrote:
October 14th, 2018, 10:46 am
The 1942-78 list is very interesting but it's not a greatest films list. Inductions had to be socially significant in some way, so peplums, spaghetti westerns, giallos or experimental films were excluded.
Are peplums, spaghetti westerns, giallos and experimental films not socially significant?
They didn't find any. :shrug:

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Post by max-scl » October 20th, 2018, 6:00 pm

The Yakuza Movie Book: A Guide to Japanese Gangster Films‎ by Mark Schilling

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/the+ ... g/max-scl/

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Post by Knaldskalle » October 21st, 2018, 2:06 am

mjf314 wrote:
October 15th, 2018, 5:22 am
Top 9 Icelandic films, voted by 12 experts: http://stockfishfestival.is/the-best-fi ... y/?lang=en

Each person voted for 1 film and wrote comments about the film. The top 2 films got 3 votes and 2 votes. The other 7 films got 1 vote.
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Post by Daviddoes » October 21st, 2018, 3:22 am

The Ringer's 30 Best American (Truly) Independent Films of the 21st Century

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/the+ ... daviddoes/

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Post by Fergenaprido » October 21st, 2018, 5:53 am

Was anyone aware of this list on imdb? Top Rated English Movies: https://www.imdb.com/chart/top-english-movies
I just discovered it. Seems like they're slowly adding more "official" lists. Looks like it has the same threshold as the main 250, but it's not weighted the same, and looks to be calculated similar to the Top Rated Indian Movies.

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Post by Gershwin » October 21st, 2018, 10:47 am

Daviddoes wrote:
October 21st, 2018, 3:22 am
The Ringer's 30 Best American (Truly) Independent Films of the 21st Century

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/the+ ... daviddoes/
Interesting list. :thumbsup:
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Post by Nathan Treadway » October 22nd, 2018, 3:56 pm

Fergenaprido wrote:
October 21st, 2018, 5:53 am
Was anyone aware of this list on imdb? Top Rated English Movies: https://www.imdb.com/chart/top-english-movies
I just discovered it. Seems like they're slowly adding more "official" lists. Looks like it has the same threshold as the main 250, but it's not weighted the same, and looks to be calculated similar to the Top Rated Indian Movies.
LOL 250/250. I guess that's what I get for trying to keep up with the IMDb lists?

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Post by Nathan Treadway » October 22nd, 2018, 3:59 pm

"Rotten Tomatoes "Freshest" Films of the Last 20 Years" Source is linked on that list. Pretty decent mixture of genres, including 50 Docs. A major drawback, however, is there's a recency bias in it. 1/2 of them came out in the last 5-6 years.

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Post by joachimt » October 22nd, 2018, 6:30 pm

Fergenaprido wrote:
October 21st, 2018, 5:53 am
Was anyone aware of this list on imdb? Top Rated English Movies: https://www.imdb.com/chart/top-english-movies
I just discovered it. Seems like they're slowly adding more "official" lists. Looks like it has the same threshold as the main 250, but it's not weighted the same, and looks to be calculated similar to the Top Rated Indian Movies.
So this is just a list of highest rated movies with language-tag "English"? Pretty pointless.
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Post by zhangalan » October 30th, 2018, 8:52 am

BBC: 100 best foreign language films of all time
http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/201810 ... uage-films

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Post by Fergenaprido » October 30th, 2018, 10:09 am

zhangalan wrote:
October 30th, 2018, 8:52 am
BBC: 100 best foreign language films of all time
http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/201810 ... uage-films
Ooh, exciting. Definitely a list I would explore more of!

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Post by Fergenaprido » October 30th, 2018, 10:09 am

joachimt wrote:
October 22nd, 2018, 6:30 pm
Fergenaprido wrote:
October 21st, 2018, 5:53 am
Was anyone aware of this list on imdb? Top Rated English Movies: https://www.imdb.com/chart/top-english-movies
I just discovered it. Seems like they're slowly adding more "official" lists. Looks like it has the same threshold as the main 250, but it's not weighted the same, and looks to be calculated similar to the Top Rated Indian Movies.
So this is just a list of highest rated movies with language-tag "English"? Pretty pointless.
:shrug: For those imdb users that think the Top 250 is too obscure? tehe

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Post by Gershwin » October 30th, 2018, 10:21 am

Fergenaprido wrote:
October 30th, 2018, 10:09 am
zhangalan wrote:
October 30th, 2018, 8:52 am
BBC: 100 best foreign language films of all time
http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/201810 ... uage-films
Ooh, exciting. Definitely a list I would explore more of!
Interesting indeed. I'll add it to iCM.

Edit: here you go.
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Post by edward5 » October 30th, 2018, 12:12 pm

Gershwin wrote:
October 30th, 2018, 10:21 am
Fergenaprido wrote:
October 30th, 2018, 10:09 am
zhangalan wrote:
October 30th, 2018, 8:52 am
BBC: 100 best foreign language films of all time
http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/201810 ... uage-films
Ooh, exciting. Definitely a list I would explore more of!
Interesting indeed. I'll add it to iCM.

Edit: here you go.
Quite a lot Chinese films. :think: I think they must invite a lot of Chinese voters, and the Chinese love Theodoros Angelopoulos very much, especially Landscape in the Mist.
Only film from South America is City of God :facepalm:

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Post by Nathan Treadway » October 30th, 2018, 1:03 pm

96/100. BBC is too mainstream.

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Post by max-scl » October 30th, 2018, 1:36 pm

Yeah kind of boring (for people like us)

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Post by zhangalan » October 30th, 2018, 2:01 pm

Gershwin wrote:
October 30th, 2018, 10:21 am
Fergenaprido wrote:
October 30th, 2018, 10:09 am
zhangalan wrote:
October 30th, 2018, 8:52 am
BBC: 100 best foreign language films of all time
http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/201810 ... uage-films
Ooh, exciting. Definitely a list I would explore more of!
Interesting indeed. I'll add it to iCM.

Edit: here you go.
Thanks, Gershwin. :thumbsup:

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Post by zhangalan » October 30th, 2018, 2:03 pm

edward5 wrote:
October 30th, 2018, 12:12 pm
Gershwin wrote:
October 30th, 2018, 10:21 am
Fergenaprido wrote:
October 30th, 2018, 10:09 am
Ooh, exciting. Definitely a list I would explore more of!
Interesting indeed. I'll add it to iCM.

Edit: here you go.
Quite a lot Chinese films. :think: I think they must invite a lot of Chinese voters, and the Chinese love Theodoros Angelopoulos very much, especially Landscape in the Mist.
Only film from South America is City of God :facepalm:
Indeed. The list is biased in some ways. If you look at the individual ballots, a lot of the voters are Chinese. This explains the high ranking of Farewell my Concubine, and the presence of In the Heat of the Sun in the top 100.

I was expecting more African and Latin American films, but no. And then there are too many films of this century.

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Post by Fergenaprido » October 30th, 2018, 2:42 pm

I'm only seen 46 of the top 100, and 25 of the remaining 54 are on my watchlist, so this list appeals to me. Thanks for adding it Gershwin.

FYI, if anyone wants to see the individual ballots, they're linked in the original list. View them here: http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/201810 ... -who-voted
Of the 209 critics who responded, 19 were from China, 3 from Hong Kong, and 1 from Taiwan. Maybe over the weekend I'll put together a spreadsheet of all the ballots (which are ranked, by the way... a different result based on simply number of appearances would be also interesting to see) plus the full list of films. I need to watch the WC films first, though.

One thing of note is that almost half of the critics are women, as they consciously tried to invite an equal amount of people from both genders.

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Post by joachimt » October 30th, 2018, 4:30 pm

max-scl wrote:
October 30th, 2018, 1:36 pm
Yeah kind of boring (for people like us)
Would be interesting if it was a top 1000. I've seen 99/100.
But for starters who want to look beyond Hollywood, it's a good start I guess.
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Post by Ebbywebby » October 31st, 2018, 4:26 am

No Amarcord, Last Year at Marienbad or L'Age d'Or/Un Chien Andalou? Z? Rome, Open City? Band of Outsiders? Fitzcarraldo? The Wages of Fear? Something more by Bresson? A few common inclusions that are missing. But In the Heat of the Sun does rank? I haven't even HEARD of that one.

I've seen 88. Typically, a lot of the ones I haven't seen are China/Taiwan/Hong Kong.

PS I think it's bad math to ask for top 10s and use them to compile a top 100.

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Post by mjf314 » October 31st, 2018, 5:49 am

joachimt wrote:
October 30th, 2018, 4:30 pm
max-scl wrote:
October 30th, 2018, 1:36 pm
Yeah kind of boring (for people like us)
Would be interesting if it was a top 1000. I've seen 99/100.
But for starters who want to look beyond Hollywood, it's a good start I guess.
The ballots are available, so maybe someone can make a top 1000.

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Post by Ebbywebby » October 31st, 2018, 6:10 am

mjf314 wrote:
October 31st, 2018, 5:49 am

The ballots are available, so maybe someone can make a top 1000.
Worse math.

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Post by Gershwin » October 31st, 2018, 12:49 pm

Ebbywebby wrote:
October 31st, 2018, 6:10 am
mjf314 wrote:
October 31st, 2018, 5:49 am

The ballots are available, so maybe someone can make a top 1000.
Worse math.
I think there aren't enough ballots for a decent top 1000, so I agree, but you do realize this is how for instance Sight & Sound polls work as well, right? A lot of our official lists use this method. What would you consider better ways to get a solid top list?
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Post by edward5 » October 31st, 2018, 1:24 pm

Some Chinese they invited are jokers, especially Dushe Movie, who is not a critic at all.
I think you can just forget this poll.

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Post by Ebbywebby » October 31st, 2018, 6:15 pm

Gershwin wrote:
October 31st, 2018, 12:49 pm
Ebbywebby wrote:
October 31st, 2018, 6:10 am
mjf314 wrote:
October 31st, 2018, 5:49 am

The ballots are available, so maybe someone can make a top 1000.
Worse math.
I think there aren't enough ballots for a decent top 1000, so I agree, but you do realize this is how for instance Sight & Sound polls work as well, right? A lot of our official lists use this method. What would you consider better ways to get a solid top list?
Just require longer lists from the voters, if you intend to publish a lengthy list of results.

I used to think about this every year, reading the annual "Pazz & Jop" poll in the Village Voice. With the year's most critically acclaimed albums. They'd take top 10 lists from all these pop/rock critics, and then publish a list of 1000-plus albums. And it dawned on me that every critic in the world could rate some album the 11th best release of the year, and yet it wouldn't even finish in the top 1000 of the final poll because it wouldn't be on anyone's ballot.

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