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Post by xianjiro » May 1st, 2020, 8:30 pm

AdamH wrote:
May 1st, 2020, 3:57 pm
I just realised something. If I go on icheckmovies.com it takes ages to load but if I go on a list or a film directly then it works straight away.

For example, if I am on another site then try to access iCM,

https://www.icheckmovies.com/ takes ages

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/trainspotting/ loads straight away
Okay, this is helpful. I never (or only very, very rarely) start on that page. I'm usually either going to my added lists or if what I want isn't there, then to the progress page. However, the vast majority of the time I type 'i' in the address bar of my browser and I either enter a tt number or title. Hit enter and Bob's your uncle.

I notice the site lags most in the evening when local loads (lots of streaming and gaming going on) are highest. But right now, it's likity split.

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Post by xianjiro » May 1st, 2020, 8:31 pm

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May 1st, 2020, 8:28 pm
Yes. When adding films by URL or adding a list URL, I get the "whoops" message which renders the feature virtually unusable.
have you tried using add movie on the beta site when you get this?

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Post by Cocoa » May 1st, 2020, 8:51 pm

Is adding films using beta even working today? I've tried to put a bunch of films on icm today by going to https://beta.icheckmovies.com/movies/add. Usually whenever I do that method, I get a PM afterwards with the subject "Movie(s) added" in my Messages on icm. Today, I haven't got any messages whenever I tried to add something. The films I tried to add today still haven't have an icm page made yet for each individual title.

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Post by joachimt » May 1st, 2020, 8:59 pm

Yes, it's working. Just wait at least a day to find the movie though.
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » May 1st, 2020, 10:04 pm

Cocoa wrote:
May 1st, 2020, 8:51 pm
Is adding films using beta even working today? I've tried to put a bunch of films on icm today by going to https://beta.icheckmovies.com/movies/add. Usually whenever I do that method, I get a PM afterwards with the subject "Movie(s) added" in my Messages on icm. Today, I haven't got any messages whenever I tried to add something. The films I tried to add today still haven't have an icm page made yet for each individual title.
What did you add?
joachimt wrote:
May 1st, 2020, 8:59 pm
Yes, it's working. Just wait at least a day to find the movie though.
With search it can take a while to find, but films are generally added within a minute.

Three ways to find a film you just added:
1. Sort the DB by last added: https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/?sort=dateadded
Unless someone else just happens to be adding movies at the same time it'll be there near the top.
2. Add it to a list.
Searching for it might not work, but the list parser will parse the url and add it correctly right away.
3. Try to add it again to the Db.
If it's already added it'll give you a link to it.

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Post by Cocoa » May 1st, 2020, 10:21 pm

I don't remember all that I added :lol: I was adding stuff for my Criterion Channel list and there are over one hundred things added to the Criterion Channel's streaming website this month but most of those things already have icm entries. Although judging by my browser history that has 'Movies matching "tt#"' which means there wasn't previously an icm entry when I searched for it earlier, I think it's
tt0071320 ...which now links to https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/chris+and+bernie/
tt0818496 ...which now links to https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/it+happens+to+us/
tt10933616 ...which now links to https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/audience-1982/
tt12152816 ...which now links to https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/land+makar/
tt3654714 ...still not successfully added but it should hopefully become The Last 70mm Film Festival (2014)
tt7001112 ...still not successfully added but it should hopefully become Indagine su un cittadino di nome Volonté (2004)

I added each one at different times earlier today.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » May 1st, 2020, 10:28 pm

Cocoa wrote:
May 1st, 2020, 10:21 pm
tt3654714 ...still not successfully added but it should hopefully become The Last 70mm Film Festival (2014)
tt7001112 ...still not successfully added but it should hopefully become Indagine su un cittadino di nome Volonté (2004)

I added each one at different times earlier today.
They're there. Halfway down the first page of the link I posted with the latest added films.

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Post by Cocoa » May 1st, 2020, 10:30 pm

Ok thank you. icm can be so weird sometimes :lol:

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Post by joachimt » May 2nd, 2020, 4:52 am

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
May 1st, 2020, 10:04 pm
2. Add it to a list.
Searching for it might not work, but the list parser will parse the url and add it correctly right away.
This doesn’t work for me at all. It takes at least several days before I can add it to a list. It just says whoops again.
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » May 2nd, 2020, 5:27 am

joachimt wrote:
May 2nd, 2020, 4:52 am
PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
May 1st, 2020, 10:04 pm
2. Add it to a list.
Searching for it might not work, but the list parser will parse the url and add it correctly right away.
This doesn’t work for me at all. It takes at least several days before I can add it to a list. It just says whoops again.
Really? It works for me. You sure you aren't missing a film when you do that?

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Post by joachimt » May 2nd, 2020, 5:41 am

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
May 2nd, 2020, 5:27 am
joachimt wrote:
May 2nd, 2020, 4:52 am
PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
May 1st, 2020, 10:04 pm
2. Add it to a list.
Searching for it might not work, but the list parser will parse the url and add it correctly right away.
This doesn’t work for me at all. It takes at least several days before I can add it to a list. It just says whoops again.
Really? It works for me. You sure you aren't missing a film when you do that?
I'm sure. How do you add it to a list for the second time? By IMDb movie url?

.......

Oh wait, I have to try again I think. Yesterday I had this problem. One list gave whoops because of one movie. Added to the queue. Then another list gave the same problem with the same movie. But now I noticed it was a dupe tt-number. Maybe that was the problem yesterday.
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Post by joachimt » May 2nd, 2020, 5:53 am

joachimt wrote:
May 2nd, 2020, 5:41 am
PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
May 2nd, 2020, 5:27 am
joachimt wrote:
May 2nd, 2020, 4:52 am

This doesn’t work for me at all. It takes at least several days before I can add it to a list. It just says whoops again.
Really? It works for me. You sure you aren't missing a film when you do that?
I'm sure. How do you add it to a list for the second time? By IMDb movie url?

.......

Oh wait, I have to try again I think. Yesterday I had this problem. One list gave whoops because of one movie. Added to the queue. Then another list gave the same problem with the same movie. But now I noticed it was a dupe tt-number. Maybe that was the problem yesterday.
Okay, I just tested it and you can indeed add a new title to a list directly after importing by using the IMDb url of the movie. The lists I had problems with lately all had dupe tt-number in them (in my spreadsheet or coming from another source).
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Post by xianjiro » May 2nd, 2020, 7:25 am

joachimt wrote:
May 2nd, 2020, 5:53 am
joachimt wrote:
May 2nd, 2020, 5:41 am
PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
May 2nd, 2020, 5:27 am

Really? It works for me. You sure you aren't missing a film when you do that?
I'm sure. How do you add it to a list for the second time? By IMDb movie url?

.......

Oh wait, I have to try again I think. Yesterday I had this problem. One list gave whoops because of one movie. Added to the queue. Then another list gave the same problem with the same movie. But now I noticed it was a dupe tt-number. Maybe that was the problem yesterday.
Okay, I just tested it and you can indeed add a new title to a list directly after importing by using the IMDb url of the movie. The lists I had problems with lately all had dupe tt-number in them (in my spreadsheet or coming from another source).
yeah, it's what I do too - not sure how long it takes after I get the new title added email. I think the last time I had to try to update my list (most with a list of IMDb URLs), I might have had to try twice before I got it to stick.

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#1454

Post by Tim2460 » May 2nd, 2020, 8:34 pm

another weird import problem...

Revamping the excel list so i need to extract again info from icm and imdb...

No problem with the first 15000 films...

then i got one that won't import on the next pack...

Found it's ...

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0378893/ unknown to icm....

"Torsk på Tallinn - en liten film om ensamhet (1999)" ok why not ... but weird

but wait ... it's an official check ... it can't be unknown @ icm right ?

Clicking the https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0378893/ brings me to the right film @ IMDB.... but wait again :

the URL Is now "https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0311926/" .... Not tt0378893 ?? It seems IMDB remembered that the both linked to the same movie and gives me the latest URL.

Is that what you called imdb dupes Joachimt ?

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Post by Tim2460 » May 2nd, 2020, 8:44 pm

I had the Film with it's english name on my excel file...

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0378893/ tt0378893 http://www.icheckmovies.com/search/movi ... =tt0378893 Screwed.in.Tallinn 1999 tvMovie 7.9 0 Comedy,.Drama 22/04/1999 IMDB PTP ICM 0 None 16883 16883.Screwed.in.Tallinn.1999.mkv

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Post by xianjiro » May 3rd, 2020, 2:08 am

Given the way IMDb works, dupes happen. It's pretty much a simple fact. When IMDb merges entries (or removes one), usually they forward to the new, remaining entry. So it pays to pay attention to that tt number.

https://help.imdb.com/article/contribut ... art_inline#

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Post by joachimt » May 3rd, 2020, 7:26 am

tt-numbers can change in the way xianjiro described. That's an annoying problem with keeping tt-numbers in your own spreadsheet. When you open such a page on IMDb it simply redirects and you probably won't notice. But when you import it on a list to iCM, it will say it's a dupe, because iCM doesn't store the old tt-number. So you have to fix the number in your spreadsheet. You'll probably run into this more in the future.
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Post by Tim2460 » May 3rd, 2020, 9:00 am

Seems quite rare for the moment... It's the third I encountered in 2_3 years and the excel file is 22k lines

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » May 3rd, 2020, 4:01 pm

Imdb pretty much always defaults to the lowest ID, so yeah in most cases your local copy will have the lowest ID and you won't notice.

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Post by cayh » May 3rd, 2020, 9:44 pm

Anyone else unable to access the 500<400 list? It's giving me a redirect error and it seems to be just that list. Cleared cookies but that didn't do anything

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Post by AdamH » May 3rd, 2020, 9:51 pm

cayh wrote:
May 3rd, 2020, 9:44 pm
Anyone else unable to access the 500<400 list? It's giving me a redirect error and it seems to be just that list. Cleared cookies but that didn't do anything
Same problem for me.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » May 3rd, 2020, 10:18 pm

Marijn just changed something to make old links redirect, seems something went wrong.

Edit: I think I figured out why it's happening. Should be an easy fix, but I don't know if Marijn is awake.
It's not the only list it's happening two, there are at least a dozen.

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Post by xianjiro » May 4th, 2020, 12:49 am

Can't remember: maybe someone else will.

What happens during the IMDb ratings csv import on iCM to titles that return 404? Don't remember there being any list of rejected tt numbers.

So if IMDb forwards request for an old page to a new page, unless we've noticed and removed the old page from iCM, I don't think there's much way a user will be aware of the change. Most of the time the old forwards to the new and I certainly don't check what the IMDb link says and compare that with the URL returned when the IMDb page spawns. So while a theoretical issue, it really doesn't affect much other than when someone tries to import a page that doesn't forward. Not even sure what happens if we try to add the old number to iCM which IMDb redirects: I'd assume iCM would record the return IMDb url instead of the requested addition.

In other words, probably more trouble to think about than the few times we even notice it's a problem.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » May 4th, 2020, 1:42 am

You've got a lot of different things going on in the post
1. A 404 is not the same as a redirect.
This redirects: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10541702/
This is a 404: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0274294/
2. If you import a film that redirects it will be ignored. ICM detects the redirect so it won't get added, but it won't tell you what it redirects to. Import is done as a two step process. The first parser only compares the links to the db and tells you which ones don't work. It then sends those to the second, which checks the data. The second is the one that recognizes the redirect and aborts the input.
3. I have no idea what happens if you try to import a 404 link because I don't know of any that have don't have an icm page. I assume it just rejects it as invalid in the same way.
4. If you import such a film with the ratings import I don't know what happens, because I think that still uses the old parser. I suspect, given some of the bugs we've seen, that it would create a dupe.
5. Imdb merges things correctly, so if you take a fresh imdb ratings export it will not have links that redirect. I think it may still have 404s but it has been so long since I thought about this I have no idea if anything has changed on imdb.

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Post by xianjiro » May 4th, 2020, 1:47 am

Yeah, as I said, pretty hard to code for all the possibilities, most of which won't generate a noticeable 'issue' for the user: the user just gets sent to the right page on IMDb. So it's easier to wait for an issue to be reported and problem solve on a case by case basis.

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Post by beasterne » May 4th, 2020, 3:23 am

The link to the Reddit top 250 is broken when I click on it from my progress page (not using the beta).

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » May 4th, 2020, 3:44 am

beasterne wrote:
May 4th, 2020, 3:23 am
The link to the Reddit top 250 is broken when I click on it from my progress page (not using the beta).
Yes, we know. It'll probably be a couple of hours until Marijn wakes up. Should be a quick fix once he gets on it, though.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » May 4th, 2020, 8:31 am

AdamH wrote:
May 3rd, 2020, 9:51 pm
cayh wrote:
May 3rd, 2020, 9:44 pm
Anyone else unable to access the 500<400 list? It's giving me a redirect error and it seems to be just that list. Cleared cookies but that didn't do anything
Same problem for me.
beasterne wrote:
May 4th, 2020, 3:23 am
The link to the Reddit top 250 is broken when I click on it from my progress page (not using the beta).
This should be fixed.

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Post by beasterne » May 4th, 2020, 2:23 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
May 4th, 2020, 8:31 am
AdamH wrote:
May 3rd, 2020, 9:51 pm
cayh wrote:
May 3rd, 2020, 9:44 pm
Anyone else unable to access the 500<400 list? It's giving me a redirect error and it seems to be just that list. Cleared cookies but that didn't do anything
Same problem for me.
beasterne wrote:
May 4th, 2020, 3:23 am
The link to the Reddit top 250 is broken when I click on it from my progress page (not using the beta).
This should be fixed.
Yep, fixed! :cheers:

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Post by Tim2460 » May 4th, 2020, 2:56 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
May 3rd, 2020, 4:01 pm
Imdb pretty much always defaults to the lowest ID, so yeah in most cases your local copy will have the lowest ID and you won't notice.
I still consider moving to the IMDB TTnumber as the main Key of my excel File was the right move ... But i discover now that even TT are not bullet-proff valid/safe to use everytime ,)

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Post by xianjiro » May 4th, 2020, 4:42 pm

Tim2460 wrote:
May 4th, 2020, 2:56 pm
PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
May 3rd, 2020, 4:01 pm
Imdb pretty much always defaults to the lowest ID, so yeah in most cases your local copy will have the lowest ID and you won't notice.
I still consider moving to the IMDB TTnumber as the main Key of my excel File was the right move ... But i discover now that even TT are not bullet-proff valid/safe to use everytime ,)
true, but then nothing is ever set in stone anymore - still, it makes it easiest 99.92% of the time to get to the right record

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Post by pitchorneirda » May 4th, 2020, 11:07 pm

Impossible for me to do any action (check, uncheck, add to a watchlist, remove from a watchlist, etc.) right now, I've been trying for more than 10 minutes, refreshing dozens of time, clearing the cache, I've tried with three different browsers etc.

Edit: it works with the beta though

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Post by Per_Niel » May 4th, 2020, 11:13 pm

pitchorneirda wrote:
May 4th, 2020, 11:07 pm
Impossible for me to do any action (check, uncheck, add to a watchlist, remove from a watchlist, etc.) right now, I've been trying for more than 10 minutes, refreshing dozens of time, clearing the cache, I've tried with three different browsers etc.

Edit: it works with the beta though
Having the same problem :circle:

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Post by Knaldskalle » May 5th, 2020, 1:18 am

The javascript that the site relies on isn't loading. No idea why.
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Please don't hurt yourself, talk to someone.

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Post by xianjiro » May 5th, 2020, 3:55 am

pitchorneirda wrote:
May 4th, 2020, 11:07 pm
Impossible for me to do any action (check, uncheck, add to a watchlist, remove from a watchlist, etc.) right now, I've been trying for more than 10 minutes, refreshing dozens of time, clearing the cache, I've tried with three different browsers etc.

Edit: it works with the beta though
yeah - I finally remembered beta a couple days ago. Works on the first try.

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Post by xianjiro » May 5th, 2020, 3:56 am

Knaldskalle wrote:
May 5th, 2020, 1:18 am
The javascript that the site relies on isn't loading. No idea why.
These issues and the search field not working right have all been reported on the official forum.

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Post by allisoncm » May 5th, 2020, 5:28 am

xianjiro wrote:
April 30th, 2020, 6:52 am
allison reported the issue on the official forum - no idea if anything was done (like a server reboot or something) but haven't had trouble since (for now)
I think my comment on the issue on the official forum was deleted and I am having that problem again. I have 4 movies to check for today, but don't have time to sit here. It's evening and that tends to be when the problem is. I can try in the morning. Seriously, though, who has time to come back and check films and hit reload again and again?

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » May 5th, 2020, 5:35 am

allisoncm wrote:
May 5th, 2020, 5:28 am
xianjiro wrote:
April 30th, 2020, 6:52 am
allison reported the issue on the official forum - no idea if anything was done (like a server reboot or something) but haven't had trouble since (for now)
I think my comment on the issue on the official forum was deleted and I am having that problem again. I have 4 movies to check for today, but don't have time to sit here. It's evening and that tends to be when the problem is. I can try in the morning. Seriously, though, who has time to come back and check films and hit reload again and again?
This one? It's still there: https://discuss.icheckmovies.com/t/site ... check/3934

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Post by Tim2460 » May 5th, 2020, 6:06 am

hmmm seems site isn't responding : unable to check

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/the+naked+dawn/#

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