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Post by Dimitris Psachos Springer » April 17th, 2012, 4:27 pm

Is there any possibility that the Hollis Frampton Odyssey from Criterion will eventually be available online...somewhere? I'm honestly considering for an online order but I'll wait for any replies.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » April 17th, 2012, 4:30 pm

jimbotender on Apr 17 2012, 10:27:10 AM wrote:Is there any possibility that the Hollis Frampton Odyssey from Criterion will eventually be available online...somewhere? I'm honestly considering for an online order but I'll wait for any replies.
As much as the Brakhage sets, which is to say, sure, eventually if you look in the right places.

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Post by jgwr » April 17th, 2012, 4:55 pm

Some of the films are at Ubuweb.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » April 17th, 2012, 4:58 pm

jgwr on Apr 17 2012, 10:55:29 AM wrote:Some of the films are at Ubuweb.
Those were there before, though. And I expect the quality on the Criterion set to be better.

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Post by nymets138 » February 15th, 2013, 3:57 am

Don't know if this has been posted somewhere else but for the next four days (14-18 Feb) Hulu Plus is making their entire collection of Criterion films free for everyone.

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Post by Armoreska » January 1st, 2014, 1:39 pm

isn't Last Holiday a Criterion release & if so why's it not on the list?
edit: looks like it's been released about a month ago though
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Post by Knaldskalle » January 1st, 2014, 4:40 pm

Armoreska on Jan 1 2014, 06:39:16 AM wrote:isn't Last Holiday a Criterion release & if so why's it not on the list?
edit: looks like it's been released about a month ago though
Janus Films, Criterion Collection's parent company, released it in their Essential Art House series and it's out of print, so it must've been a while ago (the Criterion site doesn't list a date).

Essential Art House has a large overlap with Criterion Collection, but not all their releases are out on CC as well (Gille Pontecorvo's Kapo is another). Essential Art House versions are usually unrestored, no extras and cheaper than CC.
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Post by Armoreska » November 21st, 2014, 11:21 am

Shouldn't Godzilla, King of the Monsters! be on the list? It's on the same disc as Gojira.
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Post by funkybusiness » November 21st, 2014, 12:09 pm

Armoreska on Nov 21 2014, 04:21:03 AM wrote:Shouldn't Godzilla, King of the Monsters! be on the list? It's on the same disc as Gojira.
are there other bonus films included on the list? Liv & Ingmar, Homesdale, the multiple extra films on the Shoah discs, The Coward, Un É́té + 50, the sequel to symbiopsychotaxiplasm, &c. There's gotta be more than 50 films included on Criterion discs that aren't the advertised film.

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Post by zuma » November 21st, 2014, 2:48 pm

funkybusiness on Nov 21 2014, 05:09:07 AM wrote:
Armoreska on Nov 21 2014, 04:21:03 AM wrote:Shouldn't Godzilla, King of the Monsters! be on the list? It's on the same disc as Gojira.
are there other bonus films included on the list? Liv & Ingmar, Homesdale, the multiple extra films on the Shoah discs, The Coward, Un É́té + 50, the sequel to symbiopsychotaxiplasm, &c. There's gotta be more than 50 films included on Criterion discs that aren't the advertised film.
Nope. The bonus films are sometimes added alongside the new additions to the list, but the guys quickly remove them.



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Post by weirdboy » August 10th, 2017, 11:45 pm

$320!

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Post by Armoreska » August 17th, 2017, 9:45 am

Oh snap! Im getting so many official checks for this!
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Post by joachimt » August 26th, 2017, 7:21 pm

Most of these olympic movies are not available yet, right? I just noticed this user checked them all today.
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Post by albajos » August 26th, 2017, 7:59 pm

joachimt on Aug 26 2017, 01:21:25 PM wrote:Most of these olympic movies are not available yet, right? I just noticed this user checked them all today.
They have all been available through time. Usually in cinemas or on TV. But first time released on "home video"

I would think I have seen clips from all of them broadcasted during later olympics.

(You can ask why wait until it is in a list if they had seen it before. Seems like the person just went through everything new on the whole Criterion list as Jabberwocky also was checked)
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Post by Timec » August 27th, 2017, 11:37 am

I believe the very first film in the collection - The Games of the V Olympiad Stockholm, 1912 - was newly made for this release. I don't think it's had any public screening yet.
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Post by Armoreska » December 4th, 2017, 5:19 pm

Just been checking docu stuff I wish I could find and came over Olympics again. Googling says the box set comes out tomorrow!
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Post by Ebbywebby » December 7th, 2017, 5:47 am

All those Olympic films piss me off. I think they don't live up to the standard of the brand. I go over the Criterion list now and every time I come to a film I've never heard of, it's "Oh, another cheesy Olympics film." Are any of these films (other than the well-known Tokyo/Berlin ones) impressive as filmmaking? Or do they just have stylistic values no better than the average "NFL Films" compilation? I wouldn't watch any of those new films for any reason beyond "getting a check."

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Post by avid » December 7th, 2017, 10:46 am

What standard of the brand? This is the collection that includes Armageddon, The Rock and every Wes Anderson film regardless of quality.

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Post by albajos » December 7th, 2017, 12:34 pm

The brand's concept is to make money. They are not a charity.

(This is why I don't want any distributors to be official)

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Post by max-scl » December 7th, 2017, 3:01 pm

albajos on Dec 7 2017, 05:34:36 AM wrote:The brand's concept is to make money. They are not a charity.

(This is why I don't want any distributors to be official)
This, this, this.

If Criterion and Masters of Cinema didn't have a name that implied some sort of quality in the selection, they wouldn't be official. And this is the reason other brands aren't official.

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Post by brokenface » December 7th, 2017, 3:46 pm

max-scl on Dec 7 2017, 08:01:01 AM wrote:
albajos on Dec 7 2017, 05:34:36 AM wrote:The brand's concept is to make money. They are not a charity.

(This is why I don't want any distributors to be official)
This, this, this.

If Criterion and Masters of Cinema didn't have a name that implied some sort of quality in the selection, they wouldn't be official. And this is the reason other brands aren't official.
If we go down this route you could say similar about many different types of lists - e.g. film awards are generally funded by film industry and exist to promote films and make the industry more money. Things like 1001BYD and many other lists from books/magazines primarily exist to sell the book/magazine. Yes they are also trying (in varying degrees) to promote/reward quality films but I'd say some distributors' range of releases are much more a labour of love than throwaway magazine lists or industry backslapping awards
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Post by OldAle1 » December 7th, 2017, 7:28 pm

brokenface on Dec 7 2017, 08:46:10 AM wrote:
max-scl on Dec 7 2017, 08:01:01 AM wrote:
albajos on Dec 7 2017, 05:34:36 AM wrote:The brand's concept is to make money. They are not a charity.

(This is why I don't want any distributors to be official)
This, this, this.

If Criterion and Masters of Cinema didn't have a name that implied some sort of quality in the selection, they wouldn't be official. And this is the reason other brands aren't official.
If we go down this route you could say similar about many different types of lists - e.g. film awards generally are generally funded by film industry and exist to promote films and make the industry more money. Things like 1001BYD and many other lists from books/magazines primarily exist to sell the book/magazine. Yes they are also trying (in varying degrees) to promote/reward quality films but I'd say some distributors' range of releases are much more a labour of love than throwaway magazine lists or industry backslapping awards
Ditto all this, and well stated. And it goes without saying that the IMDb lists and Box Office lists are full of garbage. Criterion may have put out Armageddon but even if it hadn't, it would still be on the 2 box office lists, and 10 Michael Bay features are official checks, most thanks to box office.

Personally I like the mixture of popular and esoteric between all the lists, though I would be perfectly fine if it geared *somewhat* more esoteric/artsy, and I think the distributors we have, as well as Arrow which I've recently pushed (and one could probably make the argument for BFI, Kino, Flicker Alley, Carlotta and others but I'm not familiar enough with their catalogs to try) actually add a lot of interesting stuff that's neither overtly popular (no box office nor IMDb) nor yet recognized that widely by the cineaste community, but which is nonetheless likely to be of interest to a lot of connoisseurs or specialists.
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Post by Hunziker » December 12th, 2017, 7:39 pm

I have never been a huge fan of DVDs, mainly due to the poor quality and quantity of the bonus material. Criterion, of course, is the big exception. I finally decided to start my own collection, saving some money to buy one DVD or Blu-ray each month. After much thought, I chose Dillinger è morto, a movie I absolutely adore, as the first stone in my future Criterion cathedral.

The trouble is, I only dare consider movies I've already seen. I want the excitement of a great unwatched film, but I haven't been able to decide on (just) one.

Taking into account the extras and the film itself, which Criterion title would you recommend as my December purchase? Which Criterion release do you consider objectively, undeniably essential?
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Post by Knaldskalle » December 12th, 2017, 9:11 pm

Hunziker on Dec 12 2017, 12:39:32 PM wrote:I have never been a huge fan of DVDs, mainly due to the poor quality and quantity of the bonus material. Criterion, of course, is the big exception. I finally decided to start my own collection, saving some money to buy one DVD or Blu-ray each month. After much thought, I chose Dillinger è morto, a movie I absolutely adore, as the first stone in my future Criterion cathedral.

The trouble is, I only dare consider movies I've already seen. I want the excitement of a great unwatched film, but I haven't been able to decide on (just) one.

Taking into account the extras and the film itself, which Criterion title would you recommend as my December purchase? Which Criterion release do you consider objectively, undeniably essential?
First of all, I think it's worth mentioning that you can get Criterion Collection titles on sale twice a year from Barnes & Noble (July & November) and twice a year criterion.com holds a 24 hour flash sale (spring and autumn). Both of these are 50% off retail price, so most Criterion titles go for ~$20. Criteron.com also gives you a $50 "gift card" for every $500 you spend with them, so that's an additional 10% off. Barnes & Noble used to allow coupons with Criterion titles, but they've stopped doing that since last year. That's worth considering, imo, if you want the most out of your money.

Secondly, dang, that's a big question. Criterion holds the rights to a lot of fantastic movies and the challenge is almost always limiting it to a certain number. I'm of the opinion that most of their releases are worthwhile, but they don include the occasional stinker (Tiny Furniture, anyone?) and not all of them are "essential". It also depends on where your preferences lie. Are you interested in particular genres, film movements, countries? Are you looking for a collection of "great movies" whether they appeal to you or not or do you prefer to collect movies that appeal to you personally and their "status" is secondary?

I've bought Ikiru (Kurosawa), Othello (Welles), Chimes at Midnight (Welles), Stalker (Tarkovsky), His Girl Friday (Hawks) and The Gold Rush (Chaplin) in the last year or so. In my opinion they are all must-own movies, but there are so many other titles in the Criterion Collection you could say that about.

Going through the list, these are what I'd consider "essential": The Grand Illusion, Seven Samurai, The 400 Blows, The Seventh Seal, High and Low, Alphaville, M, The Wages of Fear, Henry V, The Red Shoes (though not a huge fan myself), Yojimbo, The Passion of Joan of Arc (coming soon in a new Blu-ray restoration), The Third Man (long out-of-print, go for the Studio Canal version instead, since prices are insane on the Criterion version), Cleo from 5 to 7, Brief Encounter, Hamlet, Ivan the Terrible I and II, Kwaidan, Black Narcissus, L'Avventura (though I prefer La Notte myself), Cries and Whispers, The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie (I have a weakness for Bunuel), Playtime (I love Tati!), My Man Godfrey, Ordet, The Shop on Main Street, Notorious, Rashomon, Wild Strawberries, 8 1/2, In The Mood for Love, Solaris, Bande a Part, Hiroshima Mon Amour, Ali: Fear Eats the Soul, The Silence (Bergman), Richard III, Knife in the Water, The Rules of the Game, Tokyo Story, La Strada, Pickup on South Street, Le Corbeau, Floating Weeds, The Leopard, Une Femme est une Femme, Videodrome, A Woman Under the Influence, Fanny & Alexander... Okay, I'll stop here. That's just the first three hundred or so listed on iCM... Lots of "essentials" that I'd love to buy if I had the money for it.
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Post by Hunziker » December 15th, 2017, 2:18 am

Knaldskalle on Dec 12 2017, 02:11:54 PM wrote:First of all, I think it's worth mentioning that you can get Criterion Collection titles on sale twice a year from Barnes & Noble (July & November) and twice a year criterion.com holds a 24 hour flash sale (spring and autumn). Both of these are 50% off retail price, so most Criterion titles go for ~$20. Criteron.com also gives you a $50 "gift card" for every $500 you spend with them, so that's an additional 10% off. Barnes & Noble used to allow coupons with Criterion titles, but they've stopped doing that since last year. That's worth considering, imo, if you want the most out of your money.
That's certainly a game changer ^_^

Thanks for the recommendations, Knald. For now, Ordet, Tokyo Story and Hiroshima mon amour are the main contenders: those directors have been my main blindspots for a long time.

I've been browsing the Criterion website... The Brakhage collection seems a very appealing alternative to those darn 240p youtube videos.
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Post by xianjiro » February 22nd, 2018, 12:30 pm

OMG - my local library has actually placed an order for 100 Years of Olympic Films. Not sure when they'll get it (and when I'll get it), but I'm first in line. That should guarantee gold on this list once and for all! Only issue will be watching the whole thing in three weeks ... :P

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Post by maxwelldeux » February 22nd, 2018, 7:46 pm

xianjiro on Feb 22 2018, 05:30:52 AM wrote:OMG - my local library has actually placed an order for 100 Years of Olympic Films. Not sure when they'll get it (and when I'll get it), but I'm first in line. That should guarantee gold on this list once and for all! Only issue will be watching the whole thing in three weeks ... :P
Nice! My local library keeps turning me town for stuff.

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Post by monk-time » February 22nd, 2018, 8:32 pm

I just learned that Criterion is finally going to release a blu-ray of The Passion of Joan of Arc with Voices of Light! :party:
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Post by albajos » November 1st, 2018, 6:54 pm

Anyone know what is happening with the Criterion site at the moment?

It has been under construction for quite some time now
https://www.criterion.com/account/my-criterion

(Nomally you would just update the site when the new content is ready to go live, it weird to just turn off a feature like that)

Has there been any date mentioned perhaps?

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Post by Knaldskalle » November 2nd, 2018, 3:01 am

albajos wrote:
November 1st, 2018, 6:54 pm
Anyone know what is happening with the Criterion site at the moment?

It has been under construction for quite some time now
https://www.criterion.com/account/my-criterion

(Nomally you would just update the site when the new content is ready to go live, it weird to just turn off a feature like that)

Has there been any date mentioned perhaps?
They 'turned it off' even before the new site went live. It's been a long time now. I'm not sure it's coming back (despite their claims).
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Post by Tim2460 » December 17th, 2018, 7:59 am

Hello Everyone :

I visited US East-Coast last year ... and visited Barne's & Noble @New York.
Seeing almost the whole Criterion Collection on shelf was really cool ,)

Are there a lot of europeans (or non-us resident as general) collecting or at least buying Criterion Stuff often ?
I could easily buy an Zone US BlueRay player if a had an easy way of buying the CC US Discs.

I heard there are UK criterion releases but not every one arrive on sale there.

Whaaaaaat : Connected to Barnes&Nobles web site ... 50% off Criterion Collection ?? Really ? ;)
Now that's a sale ! ,)

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Post by Mothravka » December 17th, 2018, 10:11 am

Tim2460 wrote:
December 17th, 2018, 7:59 am
Hello Everyone :

I visited US East-Coast last year ... and visited Barne's & Noble @New York.
Seeing almost the whole Criterion Collection on shelf was really cool ,)

Are there a lot of europeans (or non-us resident as general) collecting or at least buying Criterion Stuff often ?
I could easily buy an Zone US BlueRay player if a had an easy way of buying the CC US Discs.

I heard there are UK criterion releases but not every one arrive on sale there.

Whaaaaaat : Connected to Barnes&Nobles web site ... 50% off Criterion Collection ?? Really ? ;)
Now that's a sale ! ,)
Yes. I buy some Criterion Blu-rays now and then. I don't buy the UK ones.

I use WOW HD and Amazon mostly, but I usually wait until the prices are a bit lower. Sometimes I use Barnes & Nobles too, it still seems to work to order to Europe, for me at least. Buying the US discs seems easy enough.

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Post by Tim2460 » December 17th, 2018, 12:44 pm

Didn't know about WOW Hd and they seems to have an French site. Are they US operated you think ??

Amazon has an importer in guernsey/Italy but price are quite high...
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Post by Mothravka » December 17th, 2018, 1:44 pm

Tim2460 wrote:
December 17th, 2018, 12:44 pm
Didn't know about WOW Hd and they seems to have an French site. Are they US operated you think ??

Amazon has an importer in guernsey/Italy but price are quite high...
At least one appears on AMAZON.fr
They operate in different countries, you can read more about it here:
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Post by Knaldskalle » December 17th, 2018, 3:29 pm

Tim2460 wrote:
December 17th, 2018, 7:59 am
Hello Everyone :

I visited US East-Coast last year ... and visited Barne's & Noble @New York.
Seeing almost the whole Criterion Collection on shelf was really cool ,)

Are there a lot of europeans (or non-us resident as general) collecting or at least buying Criterion Stuff often ?
I could easily buy an Zone US BlueRay player if a had an easy way of buying the CC US Discs.

I heard there are UK criterion releases but not every one arrive on sale there.

Whaaaaaat : Connected to Barnes&Nobles web site ... 50% off Criterion Collection ?? Really ? ;)
Now that's a sale ! ,)
The UK Criterion Collection is newer than the US one, so the UK only gets what Criterion can obtain the rights for. The UK blu-rays are region locked to region B (Europe), but they're also cheaper when on sale (I've seen them for 12.50 GBP ~ $16), so I'm always tempted to get those editions instead (I'm region-free).

I read that B&N stopped selling to Europe, did they resume that? They stopped instead of getting GDPR compliant, those lazy buggers. B&N has a month-long 50% off sale on Criterion Collection every July and every November. On top of that Criterion.com has a 50% off flash sale (24 hours) every February and every October. Occasionally Amazon.com will sell at even lower prices, but those are usually rare and brief.
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Post by Lonewolf2003 » December 17th, 2018, 5:25 pm

Knaldskalle wrote:
December 17th, 2018, 3:29 pm
Tim2460 wrote:
December 17th, 2018, 7:59 am
Hello Everyone :

I visited US East-Coast last year ... and visited Barne's & Noble @New York.
Seeing almost the whole Criterion Collection on shelf was really cool ,)

Are there a lot of europeans (or non-us resident as general) collecting or at least buying Criterion Stuff often ?
I could easily buy an Zone US BlueRay player if a had an easy way of buying the CC US Discs.

I heard there are UK criterion releases but not every one arrive on sale there.

Whaaaaaat : Connected to Barnes&Nobles web site ... 50% off Criterion Collection ?? Really ? ;)
Now that's a sale ! ,)
The UK Criterion Collection is newer than the US one, so the UK only gets what Criterion can obtain the rights for. The UK blu-rays are region locked to region B (Europe), but they're also cheaper when on sale (I've seen them for 12.50 GBP ~ $16), so I'm always tempted to get those editions instead (I'm region-free).

I read that B&N stopped selling to Europe, did they resume that? They stopped instead of getting GDPR compliant, those lazy buggers. B&N has a month-long 50% off sale on Criterion Collection every July and every November. On top of that Criterion.com has a 50% off flash sale (24 hours) every February and every October. Occasionally Amazon.com will sell at even lower prices, but those are usually rare and brief.
I bought the Bergman box in the last sale, so they hasn’t stopped then yet.
To answer Tim; I’m from Europe and I usually buy Criterions in those two sales. I have a blu-ray player I can switch regions on.

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Post by nymets138 » December 18th, 2018, 7:05 pm

Speaking of the Bergman Cinema set, I thought we could renew the conversation to come to a definitive consensus on whether or not it should be added to the Criterion list. On the one hand, just like the AK 100 DVD set, it does not have a spine number which places it outside the "normal" collection of releases. On the other hand, both sets are made and released by Criterion and sold on their official site. Personally I believe that they both, as well as any other DVD or Blu-ray release by Criterion, should be on the list. Obviously any releases on Laserdisc are no longer made and generally considered separate (even though I am sure there are those who would make a case for anything released by Criterion including the Laserdisc releases, should be considered as well). Of course, then you could also argue that any films included on the DVD/Blu-ray releases should be included (such as Permanent Vacation for example), even though they are considered more of a supplement and not a main release. Honestly I can see it going either way. I would be fine with just keeping the "official" numbered spine releases as the list. Adding these could open the floodgates to arguments for any other current or past Criterion release. Personally, I just feel that these two sets are very special as they represent two of the greatest film makers of all time and are worthy of addition, even if it is just a special circumstance. Having all or even most of their directorial filmography on an official list, I just see as a good thing. Thoughts?

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Post by dirty_score » January 11th, 2019, 5:38 pm

:imdb: lists the Brakhage's Persian Series as a single entry https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6405238/?r ... ov_bio_lk3

Should this replace the various singles entries ? I remembered the same happened with Dog Star Man.

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