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Post by bubar » May 7th, 2011, 1:55 pm

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A few days ago the The Criterion Collection list was updated:

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Post by chemosh6969 » May 10th, 2011, 1:52 am

Need to get the Eclipse stuff up. That'll make me happy.

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Post by Knaldskalle » May 10th, 2011, 2:27 am

I recently sent the guys the Eclipse list and was told that they'd get it up, but that it might take a while. Patience, it'll get there.
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Post by swoon » May 10th, 2011, 5:18 am

they should separate criterion/eclipse/moc and whatever else out of institutes really.

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Post by Knaldskalle » May 10th, 2011, 5:42 am

What category would you put them under?
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Post by Kasparius. » May 10th, 2011, 5:44 am

I sent them the extras list (no featurettes or anything made especially for a home video release.)

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Post by swoon » May 10th, 2011, 5:55 am

Knaldskalle on May 10 2011, 04:42 AM wrote: What category would you put them under?
misc? it doesn't deserve to be with the national film registry (no disto studio does).

something later that collects all these reissue companies misc or something more clever would be fun. blue underground's would be a lot of fun to go through.

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Post by VincentPrice » May 10th, 2011, 8:55 am

I think Criterion has enough prestige surrounding its releases to merit its inclusion into the Institute section, hell I regard them more highly than the National Film Registry.

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Post by Kasparius. » May 10th, 2011, 5:04 pm

Blue Underground would be awesome. I love B movies.

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Post by Knaldskalle » May 10th, 2011, 8:26 pm

swoon on May 9 2011, 09:55 PM wrote: misc? it doesn't deserve to be with the national film registry (no disto studio does).

something later that collects all these reissue companies misc or something more clever would be fun. blue underground's would be a lot of fun to go through.
I think that's a valid point - but if Criterion doesn't merit inclusion, neither does The Times' list of the best French Movies* or Time Out's list of Best British, or "Online Film Critics' Society"'s list of Animated Movies or Karagarga's list of Bollywood movies. Even Cahiers du Cinema's list isn't an "institutional" list. I think some flexibility is required in our concept of "Institute" or we'll end up with a million tabs.

(*Is it just me or is there something odd about posting a British paper's list of best French movies?)

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Post by ormazd » May 10th, 2011, 9:50 pm

Most of you probably already know this, but the Criterion Collection is now available on HuluPlus for a subscription fee of $8 per month.

(Not sure if that's available to non-US members)

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Post by Laydback » May 10th, 2011, 10:18 pm

ormazd on May 10 2011, 08:50 PM wrote: Most of you probably already know this, but the Criterion Collection is now available on HuluPlus for a subscription fee of $8 per month.

(Not sure if that's available to non-US members)
Wasn't it said that Netflix will no longer stream Criterions at the end of 2011? :(

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Post by swoon » May 10th, 2011, 10:21 pm

Knaldskalle on May 10 2011, 07:26 PM wrote: I think that's a valid point - but if Criterion doesn't merit inclusion, neither does The Times' list of the best French Movies* or Time Out's list of Best British, or "Online Film Critics' Society"'s list of Animated Movies or Karagarga's list of Bollywood movies. Even Cahiers du Cinema's list isn't an "institutional" list. I think some flexibility is required in our concept of "Institute" or we'll end up with a million tabs.

(*Is it just me or is there something odd about posting a British paper's list of best French movies?)

[edited for typo.]
I would agree with all of that, especially the weird times' list of french films. most of those should go to the critics page or a new press page.


i also think the criterion hasn't approach the ranks of something like cahiers du cinema despite putting out good releases.

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Post by Knaldskalle » May 10th, 2011, 11:30 pm

Laydback on May 10 2011, 02:18 PM wrote: Wasn't it said that Netflix will no longer stream Criterions at the end of 2011? :(
Yes. If you have Criterion titles in your Netflix Instant Queue, you'd better get started.
I'm also pretty sure Hulu Plus is only (officially) available in the US.
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Post by VincentPrice » May 11th, 2011, 4:54 am

Yeah, it's only in the U.S. right now but who knows, they might start expanding like NetFlix slowly is.

And it's worth the $8 for you Americans, I've watched a couple on there already and the quality is pretty sweet and they don't have any commercial interruptions.

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Post by chemosh6969 » May 15th, 2011, 3:54 pm

VincentPrice on May 10 2011, 10:54:38 PM wrote:Yeah, it's only in the U.S. right now but who knows, they might start expanding like NetFlix slowly is.

And it's worth the $8 for you Americans, I've watched a couple on there already and the quality is pretty sweet and they don't have any commercial interruptions.
Netflix is in Canada too. They recently lowered the default quality of streams to make up for the low internet caps they got over there.

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Post by St. Gloede » May 16th, 2011, 10:35 am

swoon on May 10 2011, 04:21:12 PM wrote:
Knaldskalle,May 10 2011 on 07:26 PM wrote: I think that's a valid point - but if Criterion doesn't merit inclusion, neither does The Times' list of the best French Movies* or Time Out's list of Best British, or "Online Film Critics' Society"'s list of Animated Movies or Karagarga's list of Bollywood movies. Even Cahiers du Cinema's list isn't an "institutional" list. I think some flexibility is required in our concept of "Institute" or we'll end up with a million tabs.

(*Is it just me or is there something odd about posting a British paper's list of best French movies?)

[edited for typo.]
I would agree with all of that, especially the weird times' list of french films. most of those should go to the critics page or a new press page.


i also think the criterion hasn't approach the ranks of something like cahiers du cinema despite putting out good releases.
Why couldn't we just get a French list of French movies? Makes no sense :(

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Post by redcard29 » May 17th, 2011, 9:59 pm

Knaldskalle on May 10 2011, 05:30:07 PM wrote:
Laydback,May 10 2011 on 02:18 PM wrote: Wasn't it said that Netflix will no longer stream Criterions at the end of 2011? :(
Yes. If you have Criterion titles in your Netflix Instant Queue, you'd better get started.
I'm also pretty sure Hulu Plus is only (officially) available in the US.
I had no idea and I have like 80 queued up. This puts a halt on all other movie watching activities.

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Post by Knaldskalle » May 18th, 2011, 12:37 am

redcard29 on May 17 2011, 03:59:39 PM wrote:I had no idea and I have like 80 queued up. This puts a halt on all other movie watching activities.
They're moving on to Hulu Plus, so it's not like they're leaving the Internet completely. I give Criterion priority as well for the time being.
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Post by redcard29 » May 18th, 2011, 1:53 am

Knaldskalle on May 17 2011, 06:37:32 PM wrote:
redcard29 on May 17 2011, 03:59:39 PM wrote:I had no idea and I have like 80 queued up. This puts a halt on all other movie watching activities.
They're moving on to Hulu Plus, so it's not like they're leaving the Internet completely. I give Criterion priority as well for the time being.
Yeah, but I'm already paying for netflix, can't really afford to double the cost. I might do it for one month sometime in the future to watch movies that I can't get elsewhere but that will be way into the future.

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Post by Knaldskalle » May 18th, 2011, 3:41 am

redcard29 on May 17 2011, 07:53:09 PM wrote:Yeah, but I'm already paying for netflix, can't really afford to double the cost. I might do it for one month sometime in the future to watch movies that I can't get elsewhere but that will be way into the future.
If what Criterion Collection said when they made the announcement is true, you may be tempted to move there earlier:

"Starting today, there are more than 150 of our most important films online on the Hulu Plus subscription service. Over the coming months, that number will swell to more than 800 films. For the true cinephile, this should be a dream come true. On Hulu Plus, you’ll find everything in our library, from Academy Award winners to many of the most famous films by art-house superstars like Ingmar Bergman, Akira Kurosawa, and Federico Fellini to films so rare that they have never been seen in the U.S. in any medium. Some of these lost gems have been so hard to see that even most of the Criterion staff will see them for the first time only when they go live on Hulu Plus!"

Personally, I'm keeping an eye on the Criterion section on Hulu to see what they're adding, and some of it is tempting, but like you, I think I'll wait a little before making the decision to join. It's $8-9/mo, so it's not like it'll break the bank to join for a month or two (and putting Netflix on hold).

You can see what expires when from Netflix at instantwatcher.com if you need to prioritize.
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Post by Kasparius. » May 18th, 2011, 3:49 am

Cool, I'll have to weigh pros and cons.

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Post by redcard29 » May 18th, 2011, 5:34 am

Don't get me wrong, I'm seriously tempted. I live with my fiance and she doesn't share my passion/obsession for movies so gotta keep the netflix for her. Our discretionary income is limited with a wedding in the future and my law school. But when I have the time and the little extra money, I will take full advantage of Hulu Plus.

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Post by chemosh6969 » May 25th, 2011, 3:05 am

redcard29 on May 17 2011, 03:59:39 PM wrote:
Knaldskalle on May 10 2011, 05:30:07 PM wrote:
Laydback,May 10 2011 on 02:18 PM wrote: Wasn't it said that Netflix will no longer stream Criterions at the end of 2011? :(
Yes. If you have Criterion titles in your Netflix Instant Queue, you'd better get started.
I'm also pretty sure Hulu Plus is only (officially) available in the US.
I had no idea and I have like 80 queued up. This puts a halt on all other movie watching activities.
I started working on them as well. They aren't all going to last until the end of the year as I watched one today that expires tomorrow. Of course things do come back right away or sometimes soon.

I don't see myself paying for Hulu Plus since I get the previous seasons of tv shows on Netflix without commercials.

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Post by Fitz of Fury » May 25th, 2011, 4:09 am

chemosh6969 on May 24 2011, 09:05:23 PM wrote:I don't see myself paying for Hulu Plus since I get the previous seasons of tv shows on Netflix without commercials.
Does HuluPlus have commercials? I know the regular, no subscription, Hulu does.

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Post by Knaldskalle » May 25th, 2011, 5:58 am

Fitz of Fury on May 24 2011, 10:09:36 PM wrote:
chemosh6969 on May 24 2011, 09:05:23 PM wrote:I don't see myself paying for Hulu Plus since I get the previous seasons of tv shows on Netflix without commercials.
Does HuluPlus have commercials? I know the regular, no subscription, Hulu does.
Yes, they do. For the Criterion Collection movies, though, all the ads are in the beginning (and end?), there are no interruptions of the movies themselves. They're even adding extras (such as commentary tracks) to Hulu Plus.
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Post by Kasparius. » May 26th, 2011, 12:51 am

I'm not paying to get commercials shoved down my throat.

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Post by Knaldskalle » May 26th, 2011, 2:12 am

Kasparius on May 25 2011, 06:51:48 PM wrote:I'm not paying to get commercials shoved down my throat.
I take it you haven't been to a movie theater lately...? :)
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Post by chemosh6969 » June 1st, 2011, 10:01 pm

I just started Slacker and I know it's not going to get any better. 15 minutes in and it's one "witty" monologue after another. I guess it gets some credit since it's 20 years old.

edit: Oh god, now I have to listen to a speech on the Bush/Gore election and he already hit Godwin's law.
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Post by swoon » June 1st, 2011, 10:13 pm

it wasn't any more tolerable in 91

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Post by beeswax » June 7th, 2011, 11:57 am

Speaking of the Criterion list(s), what should we do with titles that are in the Essential Art House collection but aren't included in "regular" Criterion (or Eclipse, whenever that appears at iCM)?

There are undoubtedly very few of these, but I came across one recently -- Pontecorvo's Kapò -- and it made me ponder.

Gervaise and Mayerling are a couple of other examples.
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Post by ormazd » June 7th, 2011, 12:44 pm

You could email ICM and ask them to add the titles. I've done that a couple times.

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Post by Knaldskalle » June 7th, 2011, 10:03 pm

ormazd on Jun 7 2011, 06:44:45 AM wrote:You could email ICM and ask them to add the titles. I've done that a couple times.
If they're not part of the Criterion Collection (which Kapo isn't), they shouldn't be added to the Criterion Collection list. Right now the Criterion Collection list is current and (hopefully) correct. Please don't ask the guys to add stuff that doesn't belong there.

Bees raises a good point, though, and I don't know what the solution (if any) could be. Having a list just to cover "Essential Art House" seems a little silly since it would have such a big overlap with the Criterion Collection or the Eclipse series.
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Post by ormazd » June 7th, 2011, 10:57 pm

Meh. They could easily expand the Criterion umbrella to include Eclipse and Essential Art House.

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Post by beeswax » June 8th, 2011, 10:40 am

Knaldskalle on Jun 7 2011, 04:03:58 PM wrote:
ormazd on Jun 7 2011, 06:44:45 AM wrote:You could email ICM and ask them to add the titles. I've done that a couple times.
If they're not part of the Criterion Collection (which Kapo isn't), they shouldn't be added to the Criterion Collection list. Right now the Criterion Collection list is current and (hopefully) correct. Please don't ask the guys to add stuff that doesn't belong there.

Bees raises a good point, though, and I don't know what the solution (if any) could be. Having a list just to cover "Essential Art House" seems a little silly since it would have such a big overlap with the Criterion Collection or the Eclipse series.
Knalds got my point -- those few titles should NOT be included in the general Criterion list, but there IS too much overlap with that list to warrant a separate "Essential Art House" entry at iCM.

There's also the question of all those Merchant/Ivory releases.

Perhaps what we originally envisioned as an "Eclipse" list should be expanded to "all Criterion releases not in the main catalogue."

Someone else can come up with a more graceful title, I'm sure.

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Post by JM1138 » January 23rd, 2012, 6:55 am

What initially looks like a HUGE update to this list today is in fact mainly due to Criterion releasing A Hollis Frampton Odyssey, with 24 of Frampton's films on it. Those of you who sat through (or enjoyed, who am I to judge ;) ) Zorn's Lemma for TSPDT will get a check here; the other films in the collection on other lists are the first 2 parts of Hapax Legomena.

7 of the films in the Criterion DVD can be found here: http://hollisframpton.org.uk/bio.htm

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Post by Laydback » January 24th, 2012, 1:53 am

JM1138 on Jan 22 2012, 11:55:11 PM wrote:What initially looks like a HUGE update to this list today is in fact mainly due to Criterion releasing A Hollis Frampton Odyssey, with 24 of Frampton's films on it. Those of you who sat through (or enjoyed, who am I to judge ;) ) Zorn's Lemma for TSPDT will get a check here; the other films in the collection on other lists are the first 2 parts of Hapax Legomena.

7 of the films in the Criterion DVD can be found here: http://hollisframpton.org.uk/bio.htm
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Post by tourdesb » January 24th, 2012, 2:36 am

Does anyone know the actual length of Maxwell's Demon ?

According to hollisframpton.org.uk and wikipedia : 4'
According to IMDb : 46'
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Post by JM1138 » January 24th, 2012, 3:13 am

I'm pretty sure that's a typo on the part of whoever submitted it to IMDb, and it's actually 4 minutes. The Frampton website has the film available, and it's a 4-minute video with no suggestion that it's just a sample. The Criterion website page for the DVD set gives it as 4-minutes too.

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Post by 3eyes » January 24th, 2012, 4:48 pm

Yeah, I just finally clawed my way to a bronze 2 days ago.

Only found 2 of the CC additions on the Hollis Frampton site: "Manual of Arms" and "Gloria".
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