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Post by AdamH » August 6th, 2020, 3:02 pm

I think kids/family films is a very vague genre and difficult to define. I liked plenty of films when I was young that weren't considered to be age appropriate. I think you'd have a hard time coming up with a good list which fits what people are looking for as everyone is looking for something a little bit different from this type of list.

Also, we should start promoting our own forum-made lists. 100+ people voting beats random list from a big company IMO. I mean Us and The Shining? What?

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Post by Onderhond » August 6th, 2020, 3:09 pm

sol wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 2:51 pm
Yeah, exactly my point as raised upthread. BFI is the best list for capturing the breadth of films that appeal to kids these days. Kids still love silent comedies. It would be short-sighted for us to adopt a list without any in it.
Guess we need some Adam Sandler comedies in there too then. And definitely some contemporary horror/action if the age goes up to 15.

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Post by mjf314 » August 6th, 2020, 3:12 pm

dirty_score wrote:
August 5th, 2020, 7:28 pm
The Pixar list is interesting but if it's only the section Pixar Directors Recommend: Films for Families (7 to 12 Years) instead of all lists combined. I don't like The Common Sense for the reasons that Knaldskalle pointed out. This is just my input.
To clarify, do you support only the 2nd section? Or do you support the first 2 sections? I don't see anything inappropriate in the 1st section, so it would be strange to leave it out.

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Post by beasterne » August 6th, 2020, 3:16 pm

I'm a big supporter of adding a kids or family movie list! Right now the only list we have that covers this ground is the IMDb Family list which isn't cutting it.

Of the choices in the OP, I like the Pixar combined list the best. I like that it's current, and a mix of live action, animated, shorts and features. I'm also okay with movies such as Alien, Army of Darkness, It, and The Shining showing up--just about every kid has that vivid memory of watching a movie they weren't entirely ready for, and these all seem like reasonable choices to be that movie.

If we don't go with Pixar, my next choices would be Scholastic and then Common Sense. I do think that name recognition is important for a list like this, so having "trusted" names in family films like Pixar or Scholastic goes a long way in lending legitimacy to the list.

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Post by dirty_score » August 6th, 2020, 3:28 pm

mjf314 wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 3:12 pm
dirty_score wrote:
August 5th, 2020, 7:28 pm
The Pixar list is interesting but if it's only the section Pixar Directors Recommend: Films for Families (7 to 12 Years) instead of all lists combined. I don't like The Common Sense for the reasons that Knaldskalle pointed out. This is just my input.
To clarify, do you support only the 2nd section? Or do you support the first 2 sections? I don't see anything inappropriate in the 1st section, so it would be strange to leave it out.
Initially, I didn't look at "All ages" list hence my support for the 2nd section only. But now, upon taking a look, I would say I support the first 2 sections.

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Post by sol » August 6th, 2020, 3:34 pm

beasterne wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 3:16 pm
I'm a big supporter of adding a kids or family movie list! Right now the only list we have that covers this ground is the IMDb Family list which isn't cutting it.

Of the choices in the OP, I like the Pixar combined list the best. I like that it's current, and a mix of live action, animated, shorts and features. I'm also okay with movies such as Alien, Army of Darkness, It, and The Shining showing up--just about every kid has that vivid memory of watching a movie they weren't entirely ready for, and these all seem like reasonable choices to be that movie.

If we don't go with Pixar, my next choices would be Scholastic
The thing is, the Pixar list purports to be a list of Family Films, which by general definition would be films suitable for all ages. If the list got adopted in all three sections, it would likely need a name change.

Also I just realised something else:
mjf314 wrote:
August 5th, 2020, 6:13 pm
Pixar's Picks: Family Films (original source)
142 films. Published in 2020. A group of Pixar filmmakers each picked their favorites. The list includes all films with at least 1 mention. Surprisingly, this list only includes 1 Pixar film (Toy Story).
The list is separated into 3 age groups (all ages, 7-12, 12 and over).
This list wasn't in the "lists that should be official" poll.
I distinctly recall the list-mods (or at least Peaceful) saying at some point that they were not interested in adopting lists that contained films that only received a single vote in a poll. :shrug:

Okay - put me down for Scholastic, I guess, as a second choice, but I do think BFI looks the best way to go...
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Post by mjf314 » August 6th, 2020, 3:44 pm

AdamH wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 3:02 pm
Also, we should start promoting our own forum-made lists. 100+ people voting beats random list from a big company IMO. I mean Us and The Shining? What?
Scholastic "asked for suggested titles from a diverse group of film fans, including Hollywood insiders, movie critics, and readers", but the final list was created by a panel.

The 2005 BFI list also seems to be a poll. "Participants at the debate, as well as a number of children's film organisations across Europe and individuals including BFI staff, filmmakers and teachers, were invited to submit nominations." They 2020 list has 15 additional films added, but it's not clear how they picked them.

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Post by dirty_score » August 6th, 2020, 3:46 pm

beavis wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 12:45 pm
jvv wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 11:11 am
Maybe a few too many Dutch movies on it (duh, it's a Dutch list):

https://www.vprogids.nl/cinema/lees/art ... p-100.html
That is an excellent find actually! Cinekid is one of the bigger kid-film-festivals and the genre is rather big in Dutch cinema. In European cinema in general (netherlands, scandinavia, germany), and this list reflects this. Also still enough American and even world cinema in there.... could be a serious candidate...
I second this. It's a really nice list. I don't mind that has plenty of dutch movies. It can make up for that awful top50 dutch list that is official (should it be official by the way? It's not a critics poll :think: )

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Post by mjf314 » August 6th, 2020, 3:58 pm

Here's a summary of everyone's opinion. Let me know if I made any mistakes, or if anyone wants to add a 2nd choice.

AdamH: iCM Forum (prefers a poll)
Armoreska: Scholastic or Pixar all sections, also suggested adopting 2 lists or a composite list; opposed to Disney/Pixar heavy lists
beasterne: Pixar all sections (current and a good mix), 2nd choice Scholastic, 3rd choice Common Sense
beavis: BFI (well curated, and teens would enjoy most of the films), also suggested adopting 2 lists
ChrisReynolds: Pixar first 2 sections, 2nd choice Scholastic; BFI has a great selection but not really a list of children's films
dirty_score: BFI (well rounded); as a kid, would prefer Empire, Telegraph, or Pixar first 2 sections
flavo5000: Pixar first 2 sections (well balanced and has films that would entertain kids); opposes BFI (doesn't represent the best movies for kids)
joachimt: didn't choose a list, but opposes BFI (uninteresting to children)
jvv: Cinekid
Knaldskalle: BFI (less Disney/Pixar, more cultural variety); opposes Telegraph and Empire (too much Disney/Pixar)
mightysparks: Scholastic (films mostly seem suitable for kids) (Telegraph and Empire are also ok); opposes BFI (kid wouldn't care about most of the films)
mjf314: Scholastic, Pixar first 2 sections, or Common Sense (tells you what age each film is appropriate for)
Onderhond: box office (has all the usual stuff kids like); opposes BFI (kids will be put off by it)
pitchorneirda: Pixar all sections
sol: BFI (includes silent comedies), 2nd choice Scholastic, 3rd choice Pixar first 2 sections
Torgo: Pixar first 2 sections
xianjiro: would work on the list, but didn't choose a list; is ok with adopting 2 lists if we find good ones

I'm not sure if jvv wanted to vote for Cinekid, or just wanted to share the link.

Including 2nd choices, if I counted correctly, 8 people support Pixar (6/9 support only the first 2 sections), 6 people support Scholastic, and 4 people support BFI.

BFI is the most divisive choice, because some people think it wouldn't be interesting to kids.

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » August 6th, 2020, 4:33 pm

You guys are all so out of touch with the hip young kids these days, we need a "Best TikTok videos" list! :P

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » August 6th, 2020, 4:39 pm

Knaldskalle wrote:
August 5th, 2020, 6:55 pm
Looking over the lists I much prefer the BFI list over any of the others. It's not perfect, but it's far superior to any of the other lists. Less Disney/Pixar and a much greater cultural variety. I don't like the Pixar list's inclusion of straight-up horror movies (Alien, really?) and, to my mind at least, both the 77 Best Kids Films and Empire lists have far too much Disney/Pixar in them and most of the rest of the entries on those lists are English language.

Let's face, neither Disney nor Pixar really need a list of movies, kids are going to watch those either way, such is their cultural dominance (and I say that as someone who has a fair chunk of both on my shelves). So for my money, the more non-Pixar, non-Disney movies on such a list the better. Second, I would like children to be exposed to other languages and cultures and I think the BFI list does a much better job of that than the other lists do. In fact, all the other lists are more or less interchangeable to me. It's the BFI list and "the rest" and "the rest" is a distant second.
I agree a good list expose kids to stuff they normally don't check out and broadens their horizons...
But I also completely agree with joachimt, Onderhond and others the BFI contains many films that are of no interest at all to most average kids. Their must be some middle-ground between that.

I didn't look at the other list yet at the moment.

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » August 6th, 2020, 4:42 pm

jvv wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 11:11 am
Maybe a few too many Dutch movies on it (duh, it's a Dutch list):

https://www.vprogids.nl/cinema/lees/art ... p-100.html
I will adopt this to iCM later tonight. (If nobody else has yet)

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Post by beavis » August 6th, 2020, 4:46 pm

dirty_score wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 3:46 pm
It can make up for that awful top50 dutch list that is official (should it be official by the way? It's not a critics poll :think: )
That is a whole different discussion, but yeah, as soon as we find a solid Dutch list that one would be looked at for a possible replacement.

Would love to see some comparisons for the vpro/cinekid list....

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Post by pitchorneirda » August 6th, 2020, 4:49 pm

I share beasterne's thoughts on the lists, I would choose Pixar's picks.

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Post by mjf314 » August 6th, 2020, 4:57 pm

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 4:42 pm
jvv wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 11:11 am
Maybe a few too many Dutch movies on it (duh, it's a Dutch list):

https://www.vprogids.nl/cinema/lees/art ... p-100.html
I will adopt this to iCM later tonight. (If nobody else has yet)
There's also this list: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/cine ... /joachimt/

It's from the same website, but it doesn't seem to be the same list.

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Post by mjf314 » August 6th, 2020, 5:10 pm

Since Pixar first 2 sections has some support, here's another comparison.

Pixar first 2 sections vs Scholastic's 100 Greatest Movies for Kids
Only Pixar first 2 sections (68)Show
4. Charlotte's Web (1973)
5. A Close Shave (1995)
6. Crac (1980)
7. Duck Amuck (1953)
8. Duck Dodgers in the 24½th Century (1953)
9. Ernest et Célestine (2012)
10. The General (1926)
11. George of the Jungle (1997)
12. Gerald McBoing-Boing (1950)
13. A Goofy Movie (1995)
14. A Grand Day Out (1989)
15. The Kid (1921)
16. Lassie Come Home (1943)
18. The Little Mermaid (1989)
19. Long-Haired Hare (1949)
20. Make Mine Music (1946)
21. L'homme qui plantait des arbres (1987)
23. Les vacances de Monsieur Hulot (1953)
24. Moonbird (1959)
27. Gake no ue no Ponyo (2008)
28. Rabbit Fire (1951)
29. Le ballon rouge (1956)
30. Rooty Toot Toot (1951)
31. Shaun the Sheep (2007)
33. Toy Story (1995)
35. Windy Day (1968)
36. Winnie the Pooh (2011)
37. The Wrong Trousers (1993)
38. The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad (1949)
40. Anne of Green Gables (1985)
42. Back to the Future Part II (1989)
43. Back to the Future Part III (1990)
44. Bambi Meets Godzilla (1969)
45. L'ours (1988)
46. The Black Stallion (1979)
47. Chicken Run (2000)
48. City Lights (1931)
49. Courage of Lassie (1946)
50. Diary of a Wimpy Kid (2010)
53. EverAfter (1998)
55. Fly Away Home (1996)
56. Ohayô (1959)
58. The Great Muppet Caper (1981)
59. Heidi (1937)
61. Majo no takkyûbin (1989)
62. Labyrinth (1986)
63. A League of Their Own (1992)
65. Little Women (2019)
67. Rupan sansei: Kariosutoro no shiro (1979)
68. The Man from Snowy River (1982)
69. Matilda (1996)
70. Millions (2004)
71. Miracle on 34th Street (1947)
74. Die unendliche Geschichte (1984)
75. Paddington 2 (2017)
76. Pee-wee's Big Adventure (1985)
77. The Phantom Tollbooth (1970)
78. Pippi LÃ¥ngstrump (1969)
82. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984)
83. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)
84. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (2008)
86. Siu Lam juk kau (2001)
88. Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (2018)
91. Steamboat Bill, Jr. (1928)
92. Swiss Family Robinson (1960)
93. Wee Willie Winkie (1937)
94. Whale Rider (2002)
96. U-ri-deul (2016)
Only Scholastic's 100 Greatest Movies for Kids (71)Show
4. Toy Story 2 (1999)
6. Beauty and the Beast (1991)
9. Pinocchio (1940)
14. Apollo 13 (1995)
15. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (2001)
16. WALL·E (2008)
18. Monsters, Inc. (2001)
19. Earth (2007)
21. Finding Neverland (2004)
22. Finding Nemo (2003)
23. The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977)
25. The Incredibles (2004)
26. National Velvet (1944)
27. The Secret Garden (1993)
30. Ghostbusters (1984)
31. Frankenweenie (2012)
33. The Court Jester (1955)
35. Bright Eyes (1934)
37. Shrek 2 (2004)
38. The Land Before Time (1988)
40. Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the... (2003)
41. Remember the Titans (2000)
42. Mad Hot Ballroom (2005)
43. The Miracle Worker (1962)
44. Monkey Business (1952)
46. Superman (1978)
47. Peter Pan (2003)
48. Kirikou et la sorcière (1998)
49. Sounder (1972)
50. Mrs. Doubtfire (1993)
51. Honey, I Shrunk the Kids (1989)
52. The Curse of the Were-Rabbit (2005)
53. Elf (2003)
54. The Parent Trap (1961)
56. Big (1988)
57. Tangled (2010)
58. The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938)
59. Kung Fu Panda (2008)
60. The Jungle Book (1967)
61. The Karate Kid (1984)
63. Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey (1993)
65. Enchanted (2007)
66. Newsies (1992)
67. Curious George (2006)
69. Les triplettes de Belleville (2003)
70. Puss in Boots (2011)
71. The Nutty Professor (1963)
72. Coraline (2009)
73. Home Alone (1990)
74. Cinderella (1950)
76. October Sky (1999)
77. The Addams Family (1991)
79. Bend It Like Beckham (2002)
80. How to Train Your Dragon (2010)
82. One Hundred and One Dalmatians (1961)
83. Hugo (2011)
84. The Mighty Ducks (1992)
85. Time Bandits (1981)
86. Searching for Bobby Fischer (1993)
88. A Christmas Story (1983)
89. The School of Rock (2003)
90. Pete's Dragon (1977)
91. Bridge to Terabithia (2007)
92. The Indian in the Cupboard (1995)
93. Little Giants (1994)
94. Easter Parade (1948)
95. Free Willy (1993)
96. Darby O'Gill and the Little People (1959)
97. Blue's Big Musical Movie (2000)
98. Bedknobs and Broomsticks (1971)
99. Eight Below (2006)
Pixar 3rd section only shares 2 movies with Scholastic:
Big (1988)
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (2001)

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Post by Onderhond » August 6th, 2020, 5:10 pm

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 4:39 pm
Their must be some middle-ground between that.
Something like Where the Wild Things Are?

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Post by Fergenaprido » August 6th, 2020, 5:15 pm

sol wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 3:34 pm
The thing is, the Pixar list purports to be a list of Family Films, which by general definition would be films suitable for all ages. If the list got adopted in all three sections, it would likely need a name change.

Also I just realised something else:
mjf314 wrote:
August 5th, 2020, 6:13 pm
Pixar's Picks: Family Films (original source)
142 films. Published in 2020. A group of Pixar filmmakers each picked their favorites. The list includes all films with at least 1 mention. Surprisingly, this list only includes 1 Pixar film (Toy Story).
The list is separated into 3 age groups (all ages, 7-12, 12 and over).
This list wasn't in the "lists that should be official" poll.
I distinctly recall the list-mods (or at least Peaceful) saying at some point that they were not interested in adopting lists that contained films that only received a single vote in a poll. :shrug:

Okay - put me down for Scholastic, I guess, as a second choice, but I do think BFI looks the best way to go...
The Pixar list is a list of films to watch as a family, not necessarily family films. Small distinction, but I think it's important: There are some surprising choices, especially for the older ages list, but presumably none of the Pixar people are suggesting that the kids watch those films on their own, but with their parents who can guide them through the things they don't understand (and maybe cover their eyes during the scary parts :P ). One of my earliest film memories is actually watching Schindler's List on TV at home with my parents; my mom noticed that it was playing on cable one night, and decided that it was an important movie for us to see (I would have been 12 or so, so my siblings would have been 7 and 10), and she actually sat down and prepped us for what it was about. I don't think I've seen it since, but I'm grateful that she felt that film told an important story we needed to understand (I don't know if she'd already seen the film before and knew it would be suitable for us in terms of violence and the like, or if there was something in the TV guide indicating it would be appropriate). Now, I wouldn't necessarily recommend Schindler's List as a move for kids, but in the context of watching films as a family, I would.

You can look at the original Letterboxd lists for more details on each pick: It lists which director chose the film and why (occasionally two or three would pick the same film). I put all three lists on icm separately (they're linked in the description to the combined list) as well, so technically there is the possibility of adopting some of the three separately if we don't want all of them.

As for the "polls with single-vote films" issue, the Pixar list wasn't a poll, and the number of people was quite small (9 people); this would be a curated list as opposed to a poll.

And as for the title, that's what the Letterboxd folks called the combined list, though the individual lists are all "Films for Families (age range)".

As for my own preferences, I don't have one just yet, and I'm likely to work on all of them (thanks for the new ones people are sharing!). I do agree with some of the points others have made in this thread about the saturation of Disney/Pixar films and suitability/interest of other films for kids. I don't have children, though I've worked with kids on and off the past two years, and my nephews (ages 7 & 3) are just starting to see movies (though they're still primarily interested in shorter tv shows like Paw Patrol ... which I thought was called Papa Troll the first time I heard of it); when I'm home next/move back home I want to start taking the elder one out to the occasional movie in theatres and see how he reacts.

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Post by beavis » August 6th, 2020, 5:19 pm

mjf314 wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 4:57 pm
Lonewolf2003 wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 4:42 pm
jvv wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 11:11 am
Maybe a few too many Dutch movies on it (duh, it's a Dutch list):

https://www.vprogids.nl/cinema/lees/art ... p-100.html
I will adopt this to iCM later tonight. (If nobody else has yet)
There's also this list: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/cine ... /joachimt/

It's from the same website, but it doesn't seem to be the same list.
And on the Cinekid website they seem to present their top100 alphabetically, without splitting it up in age groups!

https://cinekid.nl/en/year-round/for-parents/top100
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Post by mjf314 » August 6th, 2020, 5:22 pm

beavis wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 5:19 pm
And on the Cinekid website they seem to present their top100 ranked, without splitting it up in age groups!

https://cinekid.nl/en/year-round/for-parents/top100
Where does it say that it's ranked?

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Post by beavis » August 6th, 2020, 5:24 pm

it seemed ranked looking at it in English, but it is alphabetically :)
Still strange that it starts with up though...

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Post by jvv » August 6th, 2020, 5:39 pm

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August 6th, 2020, 3:58 pm
I'm not sure if jvv wanted to vote for Cinekid, or just wanted to share the link.
I just wanted to share the link, but I would vote for it as well.

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Post by xianjiro » August 6th, 2020, 7:07 pm

beavis wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 2:55 pm
The pixar list is made up of various parts, so the part with the r-rated titles could be left out...?
from https://news.letterboxd.com/post/613985 ... mily-films

"... with personal recommendations that we’ve split into three Letterboxd lists: All Ages, 7 to 12 Years and 12 Years and Over."

While I'm not particularly advocating for the Pixar list(s) over any of the others (the "personal recommendation" part isn't exactly what we look for in official lists though it is also something of a Director list), if there was enough interest in the Pixar list, it would make sense to break it up, or choose the part that is most appropriate. Honestly, even multiple lists if that's clearer to our target audience: Pixar All Ages, Pixar 7 to 12, and Pixar 12 and Over. They break it up that way, so we could too. (Additionally, noting it in the description would work, but that's slightly less clear).

BTW, is this same conversation being held on the official forum? (I don't go there very often)

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Post by xianjiro » August 6th, 2020, 7:13 pm

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You guys are all so out of touch with the hip young kids these days, we need a "Best TikTok videos" list! :P
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Post by joachimt » August 6th, 2020, 8:05 pm

Remove my vote, mjf. I didn't say Scholastic has my vote. I only said it's a lot better than BFI. It mostly has the kind of movies I would expect.

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Post by mjf314 » August 6th, 2020, 8:17 pm

Ok, I removed your vote.

Scholastic and Pixar now have 5 supporters each (including 2nd choice votes), but 3/5 Pixar supporters only support the first 2 sections.

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Post by tommy_leazaq » August 6th, 2020, 8:29 pm

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No way I can get her to watch Chaplin or Keaton (what?! no sound?!).
My daughter was also not very keen on watching BW films first. But Modern Times auto-feeder scene, One Week, Speedy carnival scene did the trick for the respective actors for her. Since then, she is open to the black-and-white comedies. She also likes Laurel Hardys. She didn't like WC Fields though, in The Bank Dick. I thought he was good there :)

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Post by flavo5000 » August 6th, 2020, 10:31 pm

Hey, I just came across this thread. I'm a parent of two kids, a 3 year old and 7 year old and would definitely be interested in seeing a Best Kids Films list adopted. Having said that, I can state with 100% fact that the BFI list would be the most useless list to adopt if the intent is to represent best movies for kids. I definitely agree with several others on here that it's certainly more targeted to just teens or would be even better more of a Film Studies 101 type list (which the site already has a bunch of anyway). I'd actually say the most accurate title for it is Best Movies That Cultured Parents Wish Their Kids Would Watch But Definitely Won't.. Does it have the most number of actual quality films from around the globe? Sure. But yea, show me more than like five kids on this planet under 15 years old that would actually sit and watch Pather Panchali or Where Is The Friend's House? and I'll eat my hat, dear sir.

Honestly I do agree in general with the sentiments that most of the lists are too anglo and Disney-oriented in general. I actually think the 'first two-thirds' of the Pixar list may be the best one in terms of actually being well-balanced and having films that would actually entertain kids. Also I do think kids under 12 can enjoy silent comedies although honestly short films would work better than full length features. Like if I introduce my kids to Buster Keaton, it most likely won't be Steamboat Bill Jr or The General. It'll probably be One Week or The Haunted House maybe.

Also it makes me sad that the Telegraph list is the only one with The Witches (1990) on it. That was and still is a favorite kids movie of mine.

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Post by mjf314 » August 6th, 2020, 11:03 pm

I changed my vote to specify that I'm ok with Pixar first 2 sections. After looking at the comparison again, I don't have a strong preference between Pixar or Scholastic.

So now Pixar has 7 supporters (5/7 only support first 2 sections).

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » August 6th, 2020, 11:07 pm

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 4:42 pm
jvv wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 11:11 am
Maybe a few too many Dutch movies on it (duh, it's a Dutch list):

https://www.vprogids.nl/cinema/lees/art ... p-100.html
I will adopt this to iCM later tonight. (If nobody else has yet)
Added it: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/de+v ... ewolf2003/

I don't know why it's only 99 titles. I checked multiples times, but can't see which movie I missed. So might be that there are only 99 titles in the source.

The source sit actually mentions another movie for Täältä tulee Myyrä, but the one mentioned and the one in this list both are compilations from the tv-series. The version mentioned isn't on IMDb. So to get the gist, I added this version.

I do agree with jvv that there might be too many Dutch movies on it to adopt.

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Post by jvv » August 6th, 2020, 11:12 pm

flavo5000 wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 10:31 pm
Also it makes me sad that the Telegraph list is the only one with The Witches (1990) on it. That was and still is a favorite kids movie of mine.
Actually the Cinekids list has The Witches on it as well.

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » August 6th, 2020, 11:20 pm

flavo5000 wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 10:31 pm
Hey, I just came across this thread. I'm a parent of two kids, a 3 year old and 7 year old and would definitely be interested in seeing a Best Kids Films list adopted. Having said that, I can state with 100% fact that the BFI list would be the most useless list to adopt if the intent is to represent best movies for kids. I definitely agree with several others on here that it's certainly more targeted to just teens or would be even better more of a Film Studies 101 type list (which the site already has a bunch of anyway). I'd actually say the most accurate title for it is Best Movies That Cultured Parents Wish Their Kids Would Watch But Definitely Won't.. Does it have the most number of actual quality films from around the globe? Sure. But yea, show me more than like five kids on this planet under 15 years old that would actually sit and watch Pather Panchali or Where Is The Friend's House? and I'll eat my hat, dear sir.

Honestly I do agree in general with the sentiments that most of the lists are too anglo and Disney-oriented in general. I actually think the 'first two-thirds' of the Pixar list may be the best one in terms of actually being well-balanced and having films that would actually entertain kids. Also I do think kids under 12 can enjoy silent comedies although honestly short films would work better than full length features. Like if I introduce my kids to Buster Keaton, it most likely won't be Steamboat Bill Jr or The General. It'll probably be One Week or The Haunted House maybe.

Also it makes me sad that the Telegraph list is the only one with The Witches (1990) on it. That was and still is a favorite kids movie of mine.
What?! :blink: You have a 3 and a 7y old kid and you have time to watch 270 movies in a month?! (D:)

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Post by blocho » August 6th, 2020, 11:37 pm

flavo5000 wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 10:31 pm
But yea, show me more than like five kids on this planet under 15 years old that would actually sit and watch Pather Panchali
I saw Pather Panchali when I was about 10, but it was definitely my mother's idea and not mine. What a strange childhood.

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Post by mjf314 » August 7th, 2020, 12:19 am

beavis wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 5:19 pm
And on the Cinekid website they seem to present their top100 alphabetically, without splitting it up in age groups!

https://cinekid.nl/en/year-round/for-parents/top100
The alphabetical list and the list sorted by age don't seem to be the same (but they do have a lot of overlap). For example, Kes is one but not the other. Also The Jungle Book (2016) is on one but not the other. There are probably some others too.

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Post by flavo5000 » August 7th, 2020, 2:51 am

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 11:20 pm
flavo5000 wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 10:31 pm
Hey, I just came across this thread. I'm a parent of two kids, a 3 year old and 7 year old and would definitely be interested in seeing a Best Kids Films list adopted. Having said that, I can state with 100% fact that the BFI list would be the most useless list to adopt if the intent is to represent best movies for kids. I definitely agree with several others on here that it's certainly more targeted to just teens or would be even better more of a Film Studies 101 type list (which the site already has a bunch of anyway). I'd actually say the most accurate title for it is Best Movies That Cultured Parents Wish Their Kids Would Watch But Definitely Won't.. Does it have the most number of actual quality films from around the globe? Sure. But yea, show me more than like five kids on this planet under 15 years old that would actually sit and watch Pather Panchali or Where Is The Friend's House? and I'll eat my hat, dear sir.

Honestly I do agree in general with the sentiments that most of the lists are too anglo and Disney-oriented in general. I actually think the 'first two-thirds' of the Pixar list may be the best one in terms of actually being well-balanced and having films that would actually entertain kids. Also I do think kids under 12 can enjoy silent comedies although honestly short films would work better than full length features. Like if I introduce my kids to Buster Keaton, it most likely won't be Steamboat Bill Jr or The General. It'll probably be One Week or The Haunted House maybe.

Also it makes me sad that the Telegraph list is the only one with The Witches (1990) on it. That was and still is a favorite kids movie of mine.
What?! :blink: You have a 3 and a 7y old kid and you have time to watch 270 movies in a month?! (D:)
I'm not around them all day. :P There's actually a couple hours in the evening after I'm off work (I have a job where I can basically sit at a desk and watch movies all day right now...although I think things are probably about to start getting busier so I'll probably not watch as many) and before they go to bed where I'm generally not watching any movies but spending time with them. So in theory I could squeeze in potentially over 300 in a month if I neglected my kids too! :lol:

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Post by xianjiro » August 7th, 2020, 3:28 am

thought tv was created so kids could practically raise themselves

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Post by flavo5000 » August 8th, 2020, 1:02 pm

Hey, here's another list that I didn't see mentioned already:
Red Tricycle's Top Movies to See with Kids Before They're 12

It's not a bad one but like some of the others is still very focused on American movies and Disney in particular.

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Post by mjf314 » August 8th, 2020, 1:54 pm

I see that RedTri was updated again in July, but here are comparisons with the March 2020 version.

Pixar first 2 sections vs Red Tricycle's 100 Top Movies to See with Kids Before They're 12
Only Pixar first 2 sections (67)Show
3. Bambi (1942)
5. A Close Shave (1995)
6. Crac (1980)
7. Duck Amuck (1953)
8. Duck Dodgers in the 24½th Century (1953)
9. Ernest et Célestine (2012)
10. The General (1926)
11. George of the Jungle (1997)
12. Gerald McBoing-Boing (1950)
13. A Goofy Movie (1995)
14. A Grand Day Out (1989)
15. The Kid (1921)
16. Lassie Come Home (1943)
19. Long-Haired Hare (1949)
20. Make Mine Music (1946)
21. L'homme qui plantait des arbres (1987)
23. Les vacances de Monsieur Hulot (1953)
24. Moonbird (1959)
27. Gake no ue no Ponyo (2008)
28. Rabbit Fire (1951)
30. Rooty Toot Toot (1951)
31. Shaun the Sheep (2007)
32. Singin' in the Rain (1952)
35. Windy Day (1968)
36. Winnie the Pooh (2011)
37. The Wrong Trousers (1993)
38. The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad (1949)
40. Anne of Green Gables (1985)
41. Back to the Future (1985)
42. Back to the Future Part II (1989)
43. Back to the Future Part III (1990)
44. Bambi Meets Godzilla (1969)
45. L'ours (1988)
47. Chicken Run (2000)
48. City Lights (1931)
49. Courage of Lassie (1946)
50. Diary of a Wimpy Kid (2010)
52. The Emperor's New Groove (2000)
53. EverAfter (1998)
54. Fantastic Mr. Fox (2009)
56. Ohayô (1959)
58. The Great Muppet Caper (1981)
59. Heidi (1937)
60. The Iron Giant (1999)
61. Majo no takkyûbin (1989)
64. A Little Princess (1995)
65. Little Women (2019)
66. Little Women (1994)
67. Rupan sansei: Kariosutoro no shiro (1979)
68. The Man from Snowy River (1982)
70. Millions (2004)
72. Modern Times (1936)
75. Paddington 2 (2017)
76. Pee-wee's Big Adventure (1985)
77. The Phantom Tollbooth (1970)
78. Pippi LÃ¥ngstrump (1969)
80. The Princess Diaries (2001)
81. Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
82. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984)
83. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)
84. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (2008)
86. Siu Lam juk kau (2001)
91. Steamboat Bill, Jr. (1928)
92. Swiss Family Robinson (1960)
93. Wee Willie Winkie (1937)
96. U-ri-deul (2016)
97. Yellow Submarine (1968)
Only Red Tricycle's 100 Top Movies to See with Kids Before They'…Show
1. It's a Wonderful Life (1946)
4. The Greatest Showman (2017)
5. Coco (2017)
6. Frozen (2013)
8. Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
9. Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983)
11. Willow (1988)
12. Tangled (2010)
13. Finding Nemo (2003)
16. Home Alone (1990)
19. Spider-Man (2002)
21. Toy Story 2 (1999)
22. Toy Story 3 (2010)
23. Toy Story 4 (2019)
28. Wadjda (2012)
29. Despicable Me (2010)
30. Despicable Me 2 (2013)
31. Despicable Me 3 (2017)
32. How to Train Your Dragon (2010)
33. The Jungle Book (1967)
34. The Karate Kid (2010)
36. Moana (2016)
37. Beauty and the Beast (2017)
38. Spellbound (2002)
39. Freaky Friday (1976)
40. The Secret of NIMH (1982)
41. An American Tail (1986)
42. Space Jam (1996)
43. Free Willy (1993)
44. Free to Be... You &amp; Me (1974)
45. Pinocchio (1940)
46. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (2001)
47. A Christmas Story (1983)
48. FernGully: The Last Rainforest (1992)
49. Spy Kids (2001)
52. Lassie (1994)
54. Enchanted (2007)
55. Up (2009)
56. Newsies (1992)
57. Hook (1991)
58. Big (1988)
61. Alice in Wonderland (1951)
62. The Lego Movie (2014)
64. The Dark Crystal (1982)
67. The Princess and the Frog (2009)
68. Ghostbusters (1984)
69. The Parent Trap (1961)
70. The Parent Trap (1998)
71. Aladdin (1992)
72. Cinderella (1950)
77. Inside Out (2015)
78. Peter Pan (2003)
79. WALL·E (2008)
80. The Incredibles (2004)
81. Ratatouille (2007)
82. Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (1968)
83. The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch... (2005)
84. Cinderella (2015)
85. Monsters, Inc. (2001)
87. A Boy Named Charlie Brown (1969)
88. Elf (2003)
89. Big Hero 6 (2014)
90. Superman (1978)
91. Pete's Dragon (2016)
92. Trolls (2016)
93. The Sword in the Stone (1963)
94. Honey, I Shrunk the Kids (1989)
95. Cool Runnings (1993)
97. Happy Feet (2006)
98. Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey (1993)
99. Cars (2006)
100. The Absent Minded Professor (1961)
101. The Mighty Ducks (1992)
102. The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977)
103. Shrek (2001)
106. Zootopia (2016)
107. Incredibles 2 (2018)
108. The Kid Who Would Be King (2019)
Scholastic's 100 Greatest Movies for Kids vs Red Tricycle's 100 Top Movies to See with Kids Before They're 12
Only Scholastic's 100 Greatest Movies for Kids (57)Show
6. Beauty and the Beast (1991)
8. The Iron Giant (1999)
10. A Little Princess (1995)
14. Apollo 13 (1995)
17. Back to the Future (1985)
19. Earth (2007)
21. Finding Neverland (2004)
24. Singin' in the Rain (1952)
26. National Velvet (1944)
27. The Secret Garden (1993)
29. Yellow Submarine (1968)
31. Frankenweenie (2012)
33. The Court Jester (1955)
35. Bright Eyes (1934)
36. Modern Times (1936)
37. Shrek 2 (2004)
38. The Land Before Time (1988)
40. Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the... (2003)
41. Remember the Titans (2000)
42. Mad Hot Ballroom (2005)
43. The Miracle Worker (1962)
44. Monkey Business (1952)
45. Little Women (1994)
48. Kirikou et la sorcière (1998)
49. Sounder (1972)
50. Mrs. Doubtfire (1993)
52. The Curse of the Were-Rabbit (2005)
58. The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938)
59. Kung Fu Panda (2008)
61. The Karate Kid (1984)
64. Fantastic Mr. Fox (2009)
67. Curious George (2006)
69. Les triplettes de Belleville (2003)
70. Puss in Boots (2011)
71. The Nutty Professor (1963)
72. Coraline (2009)
75. The Emperor's New Groove (2000)
76. October Sky (1999)
77. The Addams Family (1991)
78. Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
79. Bend It Like Beckham (2002)
81. Bambi (1942)
82. One Hundred and One Dalmatians (1961)
83. Hugo (2011)
85. Time Bandits (1981)
86. Searching for Bobby Fischer (1993)
89. The School of Rock (2003)
90. Pete's Dragon (1977)
91. Bridge to Terabithia (2007)
92. The Indian in the Cupboard (1995)
93. Little Giants (1994)
94. Easter Parade (1948)
96. Darby O'Gill and the Little People (1959)
97. Blue's Big Musical Movie (2000)
98. Bedknobs and Broomsticks (1971)
99. Eight Below (2006)
100. The Princess Diaries (2001)
Only Red Tricycle's 100 Top Movies to See with Kids Before They'…Show
1. It's a Wonderful Life (1946)
4. The Greatest Showman (2017)
5. Coco (2017)
6. Frozen (2013)
8. Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
9. Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983)
10. A League of Their Own (1992)
11. Willow (1988)
15. The Little Mermaid (1989)
18. Miracle on 34th Street (1947)
19. Spider-Man (2002)
20. Toy Story (1995)
22. Toy Story 3 (2010)
23. Toy Story 4 (2019)
24. Whale Rider (2002)
28. Wadjda (2012)
29. Despicable Me (2010)
30. Despicable Me 2 (2013)
31. Despicable Me 3 (2017)
34. The Karate Kid (2010)
36. Moana (2016)
37. Beauty and the Beast (2017)
38. Spellbound (2002)
39. Freaky Friday (1976)
40. The Secret of NIMH (1982)
41. An American Tail (1986)
42. Space Jam (1996)
44. Free to Be... You &amp; Me (1974)
48. FernGully: The Last Rainforest (1992)
49. Spy Kids (2001)
51. Charlotte's Web (1973)
52. Lassie (1994)
55. Up (2009)
57. Hook (1991)
59. Labyrinth (1986)
60. Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (2018)
61. Alice in Wonderland (1951)
62. The Lego Movie (2014)
64. The Dark Crystal (1982)
66. Le ballon rouge (1956)
67. The Princess and the Frog (2009)
70. The Parent Trap (1998)
71. Aladdin (1992)
74. Matilda (1996)
75. Fly Away Home (1996)
77. Inside Out (2015)
81. Ratatouille (2007)
82. Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (1968)
83. The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch... (2005)
84. Cinderella (2015)
86. Die unendliche Geschichte (1984)
87. A Boy Named Charlie Brown (1969)
89. Big Hero 6 (2014)
91. Pete's Dragon (2016)
92. Trolls (2016)
93. The Sword in the Stone (1963)
95. Cool Runnings (1993)
96. The Black Stallion (1979)
97. Happy Feet (2006)
99. Cars (2006)
100. The Absent Minded Professor (1961)
103. Shrek (2001)
106. Zootopia (2016)
107. Incredibles 2 (2018)
108. The Kid Who Would Be King (2019)
Like you say, the RedTri list does have a lot of Disney (and Pixar).
RedTri: 15 Disney, 14 Pixar (26.9%)

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Post by Tasselfoot » August 8th, 2020, 3:31 pm

I am in favor of 1 (or more) kids/family lists.

As some other possible ideas that I haven't seen mentioned, that cover a different approach, what about the Teen Choice Awards for Best Drama / Best Comedy? I'd also mention the MTV Movie Award, but that list is really bad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teen_Choi ... 0%93_Drama
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teen_Choi ... %93_Comedy
there's also Best Action Movie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teen_Choi ... %93_Action

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Post by mjf314 » August 8th, 2020, 3:41 pm

Tasselfoot wrote:
August 8th, 2020, 3:31 pm
As some other possible ideas that I haven't seen mentioned, that cover a different approach, what about the Teen Choice Awards for Best Drama / Best Comedy?
Should I count this as a vote, or are you just sharing the links?

It might be worth considering, but I don't think it would fill the role of a kids/family list, because not many of the films are good for younger children.

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