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Is ICM on its deathbed?

Is ICM a ghost town?

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Maybe
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Torgo wrote: May 20th, 2021, 9:35 pmKinda.
Nah.
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fori is right though.
fori wrote: June 27th, 2019, 4:25 am It seems like a lot of people are in denial. Yeah, the site never had a strong community element, but user lists were one of the key parts of the site, & things have slowed to an absolute crawl. The dead accounts have piled a mile high, and many of the most interesting users are long gone. The beta is still far from ready, and at this point in time would likely change nothing. It’s easy to see why nobody wants to join, the stagnation is transparent even to new users. Some of the most prominent accounts are inactive or barely engaged. Even amongst those in this thread, many or perhaps most would use Letterboxd or IMDb just as much or more than ICM. I think the idea behind letting users make multiple lists was likely to bring interaction (and subsequently more users) back to the site. Obviously it didn’t work. I probably use the site more than anyone else in the world, browsing periodically while watching movies for hours a day. I wish this wasn’t true, I have come to greatly value the absence of a rating system here, as well as the introductory power of the official lists.

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I would really love to see some stats....

how many users have checked a movie in the past week
how many users have checked a movie in the past month
how many users have checked a movie in the past three months
how many users have checked a movie in the past six months

I can't guess whether the numbers would reassure me, horrify me or be about what I'd expect.
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Ebbywebby wrote: May 20th, 2021, 10:43 pm I would really love to see some stats....

how many users have checked a movie in the past week
how many users have checked a movie in the past month
how many users have checked a movie in the past three months
how many users have checked a movie in the past six months

I can't guess whether the numbers would reassure me, horrify me or be about what I'd expect.
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Whenever there's a big new popular movie release I usually just check how many people have checked it since the release day.
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Ebbywebby wrote: June 27th, 2019, 8:20 am
maxwelldeux wrote: June 26th, 2019, 5:15 am I mean, Avengers: Endgame has 4400+ checks. That's a lot for a new movie.
But....

"The Avengers" (2012): 65,579 checks
"The Avengers: Infinity War" (2018): 10,239
"The Avengers: Endgame" (2019): 4,453

That steep dropoff doesn't seem "Oh, it's just because Endgame and Infinity War are much newer" proportional.

Trying another angle.

Most checked 2010 film: Inception...126,276 checks
Most checked 2011 film: Harry Potter & the Deathly Hallows...76,520 checks
Most checked 2012 film: The Dark Knight Rises...67,638 checks
Most checked 2013 film: The Wolf of Wall Street (which kinda surprises me)...41,763 checks
Most checked 2014 film: Interstellar...34,930 checks
Most checked 2015 film: Mad Max Fury Road...27,337 checks
Most checked 2016 film: Deadpool...21,287 checks
Most checked 2017 film: Logan...12,682 checks
Most checked 2018 film: Avengers - Infinity War...10,239 checks

So the most checked film of the past five years, Mad Max: Fury Road, is only the 581st most checked film, overall.
Endgame is at 11,047 checks now ..

Tenet (2020) Checks 4,208
Parasite [Gisaengchung] (2019) Checks 10,323

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Well, one advantage to the very slow overall activity is that it does make the Most Checked official list much easier to complete, if one so desires. I don't know how often it gets updated, but glancing just now there is precisely one movement - one film jumping one spot over another - since the last update. And no films newer than 2012.
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You know what would infuse some life into iCM?
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WalterNeff wrote: May 20th, 2021, 10:53 pm You know what would infuse some life into iCM?
No, I don't, why don't you tell us? I'm sure you've never mentioned any such thing before...
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OldAle1 wrote: May 20th, 2021, 10:52 pm Well, one advantage to the very slow overall activity is that it does make the Most Checked official list much easier to complete, if one so desires. I don't know how often it gets updated, but glancing just now there is precisely one movement - one film jumping one spot over another - since the last update. And no films newer than 2012.
The ICM Most Checked and Most Favorited lists are auto-updated by the system. I think it happens twice a week, but it's at least once a week at minimum.
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WalterNeff wrote: May 20th, 2021, 10:53 pm You know what would infuse some life into iCM?
A porn list?
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Coryn wrote: October 25th, 2019, 2:07 pm I cried reading that text
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: May 20th, 2021, 10:57 pm
WalterNeff wrote: May 20th, 2021, 10:53 pm You know what would infuse some life into iCM?
A porn list?
You're close, Lonewolf, so close ..
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Fergenaprido wrote: May 20th, 2021, 10:56 pm
OldAle1 wrote: May 20th, 2021, 10:52 pm Well, one advantage to the very slow overall activity is that it does make the Most Checked official list much easier to complete, if one so desires. I don't know how often it gets updated, but glancing just now there is precisely one movement - one film jumping one spot over another - since the last update. And no films newer than 2012.
The ICM Most Checked and Most Favorited lists are auto-updated by the system. I think it happens twice a week, but it's at least once a week at minimum.
Thanks. Even if it's twice a week, such small movement seems kind of sad. The IMDb top 250 often changes from day to day; well, maybe not so much since COVID but certainly it used to have big fluctuations all the time. This list seems quite static though I admit I haven't looked at it nearly as often.
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: May 20th, 2021, 10:57 pm
WalterNeff wrote: May 20th, 2021, 10:53 pm You know what would infuse some life into iCM?
A porn list?
Sleazoid goddamn Express!
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OldAle1 wrote: May 20th, 2021, 11:02 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: May 20th, 2021, 10:56 pm
OldAle1 wrote: May 20th, 2021, 10:52 pm Well, one advantage to the very slow overall activity is that it does make the Most Checked official list much easier to complete, if one so desires. I don't know how often it gets updated, but glancing just now there is precisely one movement - one film jumping one spot over another - since the last update. And no films newer than 2012.
The ICM Most Checked and Most Favorited lists are auto-updated by the system. I think it happens twice a week, but it's at least once a week at minimum.
Thanks. Even if it's twice a week, such small movement seems kind of sad. The IMDb top 250 often changes from day to day; well, maybe not so much since COVID but certainly it used to have big fluctuations all the time. This list seems quite static though I admit I haven't looked at it nearly as often.
That's different, though. The Most Favorited list does change probably about as much as the IMDB Top 250 list (minus the big algorithm shifts that occasionally happen on imdb). If you had a Top 250 most rated IMDB list, I think it would be about as static as the ICM one - I imagine only new releases, and the occasional re-release or bump in viewing from a sequel, would be the biggest changes you see. I don't know if there is a list of the most-rated films on imdb somewhere, but I could probably put together a historical list since 2013. I have the rating data for the Top 250 on hand, but it would take me a while to compile the data for the rest of the films. Let me know if that's something you're interested in and I'll add it to my list of cool distractions to work on. :D
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Well-thought, but I'm afraid that the opposite is true, Ferg :)

IMDb films with the most votes, sorted descending (with newest films at the top), roughly 280 entries. Just see how many films from the 2010s appear there; Joker (2019) with almost a million votes, Endgame and Infinity War (2018/19) with nearly 900,000 votes, Deadpool and Star Wars 7 at almost 900,000, Mad Max also; films never got more ratings on IMDb than in the last recent years.
ICM, on the other hand ..
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I couldn't care less how many users we have ... I just want the site to consistently work.
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kongs_speech wrote: May 20th, 2021, 11:22 pm I couldn't care less how many users we have ... I just want the site to consistently work.
Me neither. Quality over quantity.
For the survival of the site, keeping it online, i don’t think having lots more users matter either. I’m sure that if the site was in trouble and Martijn did a fundraiser we in no time will gather enough money to keep it running.
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WalterNeff wrote: May 20th, 2021, 10:53 pm You know what would infuse some life into iCM?
a porn list :o
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WalterNeff wrote: May 20th, 2021, 10:53 pm You know what would infuse some life into iCM?
A pre-code porn list? :banana:
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flavo5000 wrote: May 21st, 2021, 2:33 am
WalterNeff wrote: May 20th, 2021, 10:53 pm You know what would infuse some life into iCM?
A pre-code porn list? :banana:
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/pol ... alipettes/
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More users means more subscribed patrons at $/month means more processing power?
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Ebbywebby wrote: May 20th, 2021, 10:43 pm I would really love to see some stats....

how many users have checked a movie in the past week
how many users have checked a movie in the past month
how many users have checked a movie in the past three months
how many users have checked a movie in the past six months

I can't guess whether the numbers would reassure me, horrify me or be about what I'd expect.
It was way too long to scrape the info for every single user in the database.
So I took a sample of 1,000 random users.

Only 7.2% of users have checked at least one movie in the past YEAR
Only 6.2% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 6 months
Only 5.3% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 3 months
Only 3.7% of users have checked at least one movie in the past MONTH
Only 2.1% of users have checked at least one movie in the past WEEK
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Ouch. That's worse than I imagined.
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Only 87.8% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 10 years
Only 70.8% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 9 years
Only 57.0% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 8 years
Only 47.2% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 7 years
Only 38.3% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 6 years
Only 30.1% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 5 years
Only 24.7% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 4 years
Only 19.3% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 3 years
Only 15.8% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 2 years
Only 7.2% of users have checked at least one movie in the past YEAR
Only 6.2% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 6 months
Only 5.3% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 3 months
Only 3.7% of users have checked at least one movie in the past MONTH
Only 2.1% of users have checked at least one movie in the past WEEK

I have no idea how many users went "dark" though
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I think the more useful stat is the % per week, so you could compare how many users checked a film within the span of a week, last week vs 5 weeks ago vs 50 weeks ago. That's what gives you an idea of the decline of activity, no?
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Onderhond wrote: May 21st, 2021, 8:02 am I think the more useful stat is the % per week, so you could compare how many users checked a film within the span of a week, last week vs 5 weeks ago vs 50 weeks ago. That's what gives you an idea of the decline of activity, no?
I agree but I have no idea how to build my scraper to do this...
This time I just randomly opened 1,000 user pages and collected the text from their last check (ex: "6 hours 34 minutes ago") and made the stats with regular expressions

Edit: there's the "activity" tab. I could work something out. I'll think about it tonight
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pitchorneirda wrote: May 21st, 2021, 7:35 am
Ebbywebby wrote: May 20th, 2021, 10:43 pm I would really love to see some stats....

how many users have checked a movie in the past week
how many users have checked a movie in the past month
how many users have checked a movie in the past three months
how many users have checked a movie in the past six months

I can't guess whether the numbers would reassure me, horrify me or be about what I'd expect.
It was way too long to scrape the info for every single user in the database.
So I took a sample of 1,000 random users.

Only 7.2% of users have checked at least one movie in the past YEAR
Only 6.2% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 6 months
Only 5.3% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 3 months
Only 3.7% of users have checked at least one movie in the past MONTH
Only 2.1% of users have checked at least one movie in the past WEEK
Looks like poor activity but is it really ? Would the numbers be different on IMDb ? I guess what matters is more the absolute number of active users week-on-week.
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Meanwhile, there are something like 27,000 users who have never checked a film. Sigh.
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pitchorneirda wrote: May 21st, 2021, 7:54 am Only 87.8% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 10 years
Only 70.8% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 9 years
Only 57.0% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 8 years
Only 47.2% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 7 years
Only 38.3% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 6 years
Only 30.1% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 5 years
Only 24.7% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 4 years
Only 19.3% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 3 years
Only 15.8% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 2 years
Only 7.2% of users have checked at least one movie in the past YEAR
Only 6.2% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 6 months
Only 5.3% of users have checked at least one movie in the past 3 months
Only 3.7% of users have checked at least one movie in the past MONTH
Only 2.1% of users have checked at least one movie in the past WEEK

I have no idea how many users went "dark" though
So if we define dead users as people who haven't checked a film in a year, this suggests only 15,000-16,000 users still have any remaining interest in the site.
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Marijn says:
About one million pageviews every month and it has been stable for quite a while. He might search for how many unique visitors each month. Didn't know those numbers without looking up.

I have no idea how many "one million pageviews" is compare to other sites.
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Ebbywebby wrote: May 21st, 2021, 9:14 am Meanwhile, there are something like 27,000 users who have never checked a film. Sigh.
I've joined countless sites just to realise 10 minutes later they're not for me. That's completely normal.

And can only assume a lot of people haven't heard of many of the films some lists claim to be top 100, so they don't bother. Also, you have to know ways how to get your hands on many of the titles, more and more people simply consume whatever netlfix throws at them. I think the numbers are completely fine. As I've said before, owners of the lists should be notified upon adoption, so the people who follow them would be interested in checking ICM out. And can easily image how the people from the Annecy festival would be happy to share the fact that their list is "checkable" on our site. And I imagine that the people who follow a festival like that on social media might be more interested in working on lists more than your average cinema goer who only rewatches Star Wars ad nauseam.
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Wonderful Rainbow wrote: May 24th, 2021, 8:20 pm
Ebbywebby wrote: May 21st, 2021, 9:14 am Meanwhile, there are something like 27,000 users who have never checked a film. Sigh.
I've joined countless sites just to realise 10 minutes later they're not for me. That's completely normal.

And can only assume a lot of people haven't heard of many of the films some lists claim to be top 100, so they don't bother. Also, you have to know ways how to get your hands on many of the titles, more and more people simply consume whatever netlfix throws at them. I think the numbers are completely fine. As I've said before, owners of the lists should be notified upon adoption, so the people who follow them would be interested in checking ICM out. And can easily image how the people from the Annecy festival would be happy to share the fact that their list is "checkable" on our site. And I imagine that the people who follow a festival like that on social media might be more interested in working on lists more than your average cinema goer who only rewatches Star Wars ad nauseam.
Yea, I created the Giallo Meltdown list based on the book by Richard Schmidt and even though it isn't official, I shared it with him and he was pretty jazzed about it and promoted it on his podcast's Facebook group.
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Wonderful Rainbow wrote: May 24th, 2021, 8:20 pm
Ebbywebby wrote: May 21st, 2021, 9:14 am Meanwhile, there are something like 27,000 users who have never checked a film. Sigh.
I've joined countless sites just to realise 10 minutes later they're not for me. That's completely normal.
same here - maybe I said that already?
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It's going to be on its deathbed if it keep being down constantly.
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