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Post by Ebbywebby » January 20th, 2017, 1:38 am

ChrisReynolds on Jan 19 2017, 08:08:04 AM wrote:This was in the BFI catalogue, I calculated runtime from the film gauge and footage length

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/nip ... onogatari/
OK, thanks...but I'm a little dubious about that calculation method and hope it's accurate.

I just downloaded a subtitle file for the film, and it ends at only 23:25. It's not impossible that a film could end with five minutes of wordless action, but considering that the subtitles have 272 lines in just 24 minutes, this suggests a fairly steady pace of dialogue.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » January 20th, 2017, 2:36 am

What subtitle file did you download for a film without a digital copy?

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Post by Ebbywebby » January 20th, 2017, 6:35 am

I guess I shouldn't have casually assumed this is it (is it?), but if it's for a different film, it's a swell coincidence that it's also a twentysomething-minute short.

http://www.opensubtitles.org/en/subtitl ... ogatari-en

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » January 20th, 2017, 6:42 am

Ebbywebby on Jan 19 2017, 11:35:41 PM wrote:I guess I shouldn't have casually assumed this is it (is it?), but if it's for a different film, it's a swell coincidence that it's also a twentysomething-minute short.

http://www.opensubtitles.org/en/subtitl ... ogatari-en
It says right there it's for an anime show: Sword Art Online Season 1 episode 25

I've seen this kind of thing before, I assume some auto uploading script matches a random movie. If you read some of the subs it's obviously not for a documentary about sword making:
00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:46,650
Welcome back, Asuna.

55
00:07:53,508 --> 00:07:57,558
The World Seed

56
00:07:58,178 --> 00:08:00,348
Friday, May 16, 2025

57
00:08:00,548 --> 00:08:03,668
So this sentence construction...

58
00:08:04,558 --> 00:08:06,368
That's all for today.

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00:08:07,038 --> 00:08:09,678
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Post by Gershwin » January 20th, 2017, 9:17 pm

Does anybody know why the IMDb page for 49 Up lists a runtime of 180 minutes? I can't find anything but a 2h15m version.
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Post by xianjiro » January 20th, 2017, 10:04 pm

Gershwin on Jan 20 2017, 02:17:50 PM wrote:Does anybody know why the IMDb page for 49 Up lists a runtime of 180 minutes? I can't find anything but a 2h15m version.
I've no idea how long the version I watched was - wasn't recording times back then, but I'm seeing 134 minutes listed for the cataloged version at my local library. No evidence of an extended cut, but I also see IMDb says "180 min (2 parts)" so my best guess would be whoever submitted the information used the total allotted broadcast time (including commercials). It's annoying, but that's one of the IMDb quirks. I'll do a quick submission of DVD runtime.

edit: DVD runtime addition submitted - probably will be live in the next couple of days since it's not really disputing the data, only amending
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Post by Gershwin » January 22nd, 2017, 8:51 pm

Thanks! I guess you're right about the broadcast time. That means I can safely watch the version I have at the moment, which lasts 135 minutes indeed.
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Post by ChrisReynolds » January 24th, 2017, 4:44 pm

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/rastus+in+zululand/

I just watched this and timed it as 5 minutes.

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Post by Ebbywebby » January 25th, 2017, 7:12 am

ChrisReynolds on Jan 24 2017, 09:44:35 AM wrote:https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/rastus+in+zululand/

I just watched this and timed it as 5 minutes.
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » January 28th, 2017, 10:20 pm

Anyone interested in adding runtimes to episodes for about two dozen mini-series? A few are obscure series but most are not and a number are official checks, so the info should be out there, but it will be some work doing it all.

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Post by xianjiro » January 29th, 2017, 1:44 am

point me at 'em and I'll see what I can do - my turn around won't be the quickest if it means getting actual disks from the library though

Also, the important number is the runtime for the individual episodes, not the total runtime for the series?

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » January 29th, 2017, 3:09 am

Yes, the series as a whole all have runtimes (I wonder how accurate some of those are, but that's another issue). Unfortunately ICM imported the episodes with the full series runtime because imdb is stupid in how it displays things, so if the individual episodes get fixed then I can fix them on ICM. I'm sure there are more than these, but these are the longest and most prominent ones.

Here's the list Post whichever ones you can or can't do so people don't duplicate work in case anyone else wants to help. I'll try to do whichever ones are still not done in a couple of weeks.
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Post by xianjiro » January 30th, 2017, 1:47 am

Okay, so what's your expectation on data quality/consistency? I've looked at some titles and there is an issue with variable episode runtimes - Criminal Justice, for example - episodes are online (some on Hulu, some on YouTube) but a single episode with multiple videos posted can have minutes difference from one source to the other. It appears episodes vary in runtime from about 54 to 59 minutes. It's somewhat annoying when people simply plug in either slot time (often some multiple of 30 minutes) or even something like an average runtime and apply it all episodes ignoring actual runtime.

So far I've been unable to find a reliable database that lists actual runtimes - do you have any leads on that front? For my own database I've only been concerned with best estimate of a series total runtime.

I can get some of these on DVD and collect runtimes that way, but that's going to take time. Additionally, I believe some runtimes of UK series might be shorter in America - while I don't have lots of personal experience, I have noticed that certain series aired on PBS in the states will have a statement on the DVD case "original full British episodes" or something to that effect.

I assume we want the best data we can get our hands on, right?

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » January 30th, 2017, 3:31 am

Honestly, I'm not that fussed about accuracy, imdb clearly isn't. I just want them to have runtimes that are somewhat accurate. I know some people just find a total time and divide it by number of episodes, but as you say, that's often inaccurate. Does the same episode vary that wildly? Different episodes varying isn't an issue since runtimes are per episode.

I have no leads, but if I were to do it myself I'd just look for a copy in whatever format I can find and look at the runtime. If you can't find it online and a DVD isn't immediately available to you don't go out of your way to get ahold of it, unless you want to watch the series, someone else probably has a copy.

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Post by xianjiro » January 30th, 2017, 3:55 am

Okay, sounds good. My library has taken the catalog offline until some time Tuesday, so I won't be able to request anything until after then.

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Post by ChrisReynolds » January 30th, 2017, 11:08 am

The Godfather miniseries was on KG with the episode running times, so I just did that:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0809488/

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » January 30th, 2017, 7:25 pm

ChrisReynolds on Jan 30 2017, 04:08:38 AM wrote:The Godfather miniseries was on KG with the episode running times, so I just did that:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0809488/
Thanks, updated those on icm

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Post by xianjiro » January 31st, 2017, 12:39 am

I've requested Into the West and Beatles Anthology - should have them Friday.

Edit: Have also requested Aristocrats and Bleak House. Of the four, I've see all but Beatles and should have episode runtimes by the weekend. Will advise when IMDb updates.

Other series I've seen and should be able to get/update the following week or next: Stephen Hawking's Universe, Eyes on the Prize, Tales of the City, The Corner.

Series I haven't seen but can get in the next couple of weeks: Criminal Justice, Initial D: Second Stage, MGM: When the Lion Roars, Kingdom Hospital - since I haven't seen them, I'd like to watch them, so will probably do two next week, two the following week, so will take a bit of time.

As for the others, I will look to see what I can find online. Unless they are official checks, I'm not super eager to use my limited request slots just to update IMDb. I'll update more soon.
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Post by xianjiro » February 11th, 2017, 5:17 am

some are done - but I need to check if IMDb has update

I'm also finding that some are a mess - Bleak House had wrong data for 5 or so episodes, so we'll see if and when IMDb updates that.

And either someone else is doing updates without saying or there is data for some of the series in your list. Either way, I'm not particularly keen on spinning my wheels for no reason.

If you're going to update data in the list above, please call it so other's don't waste their time.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » February 11th, 2017, 5:35 am

xianjiro on Jan 30 2017, 05:39:08 PM wrote:Unless they are official checks, I'm not super eager to use my limited request slots just to update IMDb. I'll update more soon.
Let me know which ones you can't find or don't want to request and I'll focus on those, I'll have a little time next week.
xianjiro on Feb 10 2017, 10:17:00 PM wrote:And either someone else is doing updates without saying or there is data for some of the series in your list. Either way, I'm not particularly keen on spinning my wheels for no reason.
There were a few with data for one episode (I think one of the series had two episodes with data), if there's more than that it's new, none were complete when I posted.
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Post by xianjiro » February 11th, 2017, 6:35 am

I would say any series I didn't list is Post #98 would be great if you want to tackle them. Of the official checks, Eight Deadly Shots doesn't need to be requested through ILL though I haven't watched it yet. Let me know if you don't have access to it and I can add it to my list. The only other official check is Mesto vstrechi izmenit nelzya but it's not available through the library.

if there are any that you have trouble getting information for online, let me know and I'll see if they are available through ILL.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » February 11th, 2017, 6:38 am

OK, I'll check the other ones. I have First Person on DVD so I'll do that for sure.
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Full Circle with Michael Palin Done
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The Spanish Civil War Done

That's less than I figured. I'll have to search around for the others later.
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Post by xianjiro » February 11th, 2017, 6:59 am

I'd love to see Full Circle, but we only have two episodes in our library. Who knows, maybe someday I'll get around to it. Knock yourself out.

BTW, just checked and Into the West has updated (meaning the episodes now show runtimes). I didn't want to 'correct' the main entry though, mostly since I know IMDb is pissy about corrections. Complete runtime should be 546 minutes. I know for a while they would simply bounce back any correction that was within 10% of total runtime.

Aristocrats was done, but for some reason the sixth episode didn't have a runtime, so I've submitted it again. (Maybe I thought I did it and forgot, but who knows, maybe IMDb ignores the update if it doesn't match total runtime or something). We'll see.

Bleak House was completed today, but it had data for 5 of the 15 episodes (4 of which was double actual runtime - maybe they doubled up e2-15 for broadcast and that's what the OP worked off of? Who knows). Anyway, I've submitted corrected data for the wrong episodes as well as data for those episodes that had no data. Also submitted a corrected total runtime, but added it (not a correction) since the total runtime fits the allotted TV time slot.

Still working through Beatles Anthology

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » February 11th, 2017, 7:25 pm

Cool. I've updated those three on ICM and submitted Brief Encounters, La Commune, Spanish Civil War and Full Circle to imdb.

Here's where the list is at:

I can't do this one:
Ikki tôsen (2003) This has official streaming (and maybe a DVD?) but can't see runtime without a subscription and I'm not paying for this. I suppose all the episodes are 24/25 minutes so maybe I'll just submit them all as that.

To be done:
Criminal Justice (2008) To do xianjiro
Initial D: Second Stage (1999) To do me

The Corner (2000) To do xianjiro
First Person (2000) To do by me
Kingdom Hospital (2004) To do xianjiro

Complete:
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » February 11th, 2017, 10:47 pm

Ebbywebby on Dec 13 2016, 06:53:17 PM wrote:Ain't Nobody's Blues But My Own
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/gion+matsuri/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/llo ... a+de+aqui/
Going back to this thread's original purpose, I did these two. The first from film length compared to other films from the same year and studio, the second from some festival screening I looked up in the internet archive.

Edit: wow, imdb is quick on the turnaround now. All updated.
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Post by xianjiro » February 16th, 2017, 7:30 am

Okay, Into the West is fully updated now.

Bleak house - only e1,2,9-15 are correct (no change the erroneous runtime info for e3-8) I'll try again in a week or so.

Beatles Anthology fully submitted, will check all have been accepted in a couple of days.

that's all for tonight

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » February 20th, 2017, 8:12 pm

joachimt on Feb 20 2017, 01:08:10 PM wrote:http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/cheese-2008-2/
http://www.mymoviefinder.com/movie/129684
12 minutes
Can someone add it?
No, it's 16 minutes according to the director's website. Where does that website get info from? Hmm, I found an art gallery that says 12 minutes. Will have to look into it.
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Post by joachimt » February 20th, 2017, 8:32 pm

PeacefulAnarchy on Feb 20 2017, 01:12:53 PM wrote:
joachimt on Feb 20 2017, 01:08:10 PM wrote:http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/cheese-2008-2/
http://www.mymoviefinder.com/movie/129684
12 minutes
Can someone add it?
No, it's 16 minutes according to the director's website. Where does that website get info from? Hmm, I found an art gallery that says 12 minutes. Will have to look into it.
Okay, I'll put 16 in my spreadsheet then.
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » February 20th, 2017, 9:01 pm

Well, I dunno. I'm finding places that say both. The video is part of an art installation, so maybe that's the reason for the discrepancy.


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Post by joachimt » February 21st, 2017, 11:56 pm

Ebbywebby on Feb 21 2017, 04:44:33 PM wrote:https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/cheese-2008-2/

Please update this new check....
Done
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Post by xianjiro » March 6th, 2017, 12:36 pm

PeacefulAnarchy on Feb 11 2017, 12:25:43 PM wrote:Cool. I've updated those three on ICM and submitted Brief Encounters, La Commune, Spanish Civil War and Full Circle to imdb.

Here's where the list is at:

I can't do this one:
Ikki tôsen (2003) This has official streaming (and maybe a DVD?) but can't see runtime without a subscription and I'm not paying for this. I suppose all the episodes are 24/25 minutes so maybe I'll just submit them all as that.

To be done:
Criminal Justice (2008) To do xianjiro
Initial D: Second Stage (1999) To do xianjiro
Stephen Hawking's Universe (1997) To do xianjiro
MGM: When the Lion Roars (1992) To do xianjiro
Eyes on the Prize (1987) To do xianjiro
Armistead Maupin's Tales of the City (1993) To do xianjiro
The Corner (2000) To do xianjiro
First Person (2000) To do by me
Kingdom Hospital (2004) To do xianjiro

Complete:
still working on my list - my hope is to offer tell you where I'm at tomorrow or Tuesday.

One thing I can mention, I can't get the first part of Initial D: Second Stage (1999). Would you like to do it or should I just do the second part? And I'm not really sure what I'm talking about in terms of the
'parts' - I'm just going on what I see in our catalogue.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » March 7th, 2017, 2:41 am

OK, let me know. I should be able to do whatever you can't. If you can't do all of Initial D: Second Stage then I'll just do it all.

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Post by xianjiro » March 8th, 2017, 3:02 am

PeacefulAnarchy on Feb 11 2017, 12:25:43 PM wrote:Cool. I've updated those three on ICM and submitted Brief Encounters, La Commune, Spanish Civil War and Full Circle to imdb.

Here's where the list is at:

I can't do this one:
Ikki tôsen (2003) This has official streaming (and maybe a DVD?) but can't see runtime without a subscription and I'm not paying for this. I suppose all the episodes are 24/25 minutes so maybe I'll just submit them all as that.

To be done:
Criminal Justice (2008) To do xianjiro
Initial D: Second Stage (1999) To do xianjiro
Stephen Hawking's Universe (1997) To do xianjiro
MGM: When the Lion Roars (1992) To do xianjiro
Eyes on the Prize (1987) To do xianjiro
Armistead Maupin's Tales of the City (1993) To do xianjiro
The Corner (2000) To do xianjiro
First Person (2000) To do by me
Kingdom Hospital (2004) To do xianjiro

Complete:
the ones above I've struck through are done and verified on IMDb, other notes:

Criminal Justice (2008) - s1 is done, I'll have s2 Friday
The Corner (2000) - arrives Friday
Kingdom Hospital (2004) - arrives Friday

Ikki tôsen (2003) - I can probably get this through ILL, might take a couple weeks though
Initial D: Second Stage (1999) - I can probably get this through ILL, might take a couple weeks though

btw: at best I can only place one ILL request at present, so chose wisely ;)

MGM: When the Lion Roars (1992) - this has problems. I've entered correct information but the record has 5 episodes attached as "unknown" that really should be deleted (season 1 has been updated and is correct as is the information on the total runtime for the series' main entry) Do you know how to delete the unknown episodes?

And just for fun, didn't have data, and since I had the disk, I've also done The Power of Nightmares

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » March 8th, 2017, 3:25 am

Thanks. I can do Initial D: Second Stage, so don't worry about that. Unless you want to watch it don't bother with Ikki tôsen, it's not worth wasting an ILL slot on it, I can probably find the info with more digging.

Updated them all, including The Power of Nightmares. There's actually probably a lot more that need updates. I was going down by runtime and I think I got down to 5 hour series.

There's no easy way to delete unknown episodes. I think you have to go to edit, select the last box which is miscellaneous correction, and explain the problem. (Which in this case seems to be that someone listed reairings as new episodes) However since you never get to actually converse with someone, it's just silently either accepted or rejected, it's kind of a crapshoot whether it goes through and there's no way to know if they know something we don't or just don't want to delete something.

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Post by xianjiro » March 8th, 2017, 3:37 am

PeacefulAnarchy on Mar 7 2017, 08:25:44 PM wrote:Thanks. I can do Initial D: Second Stage, so don't worry about that. Unless you want to watch it don't bother with Ikki tôsen, it's not worth wasting an ILL slot on it, I can probably find the info with more digging.

Updated them all, including The Power of Nightmares. There's actually probably a lot more that need updates. I was going down by runtime and I think I got down to 5 hour series.

There's no easy way to delete unknown episodes. I think you have to go to edit, select the last box which is miscellaneous correction, and explain the problem. (Which in this case seems to be that someone listed reairings as new episodes) However since you never get to actually converse with someone, it's just silently either accepted or rejected, it's kind of a crapshoot whether it goes through and there's no way to know if they know something we don't or just don't want to delete something.
okay, can't say either of the anime series are that exciting to me - but keep my offer as a backup if you get stuck.

Don't hesitate if you find others you want to throw my way. If you tell me what exactly you are looking for in the database (how to do the query) I can poke at it some as well. I'm better at doing this kind of 'work' than running an official poll or vote. But I really do like to use the best possible data I can find. And I don't mind hunting.

BTW, while working on my favourites, I found a series that was missing 9 episodes, so fixed that but I believe it is still correctly coded as TV Series, so not much concern to us. But it's been a busy day.

I'll give deleting those erroneous episodes the MGM Lion seems to have pooped out a swirly. Hey, we need a steaming pile emoji too!

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Post by xianjiro » March 8th, 2017, 5:24 am

crap, forgot to mention that I had to cancel some of the updates for Bleak House and resubmit - I've provided explanations, so there's a better chance they'll be accepted this time.

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