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Post by Ebbywebby » December 22nd, 2016, 12:58 am

Is there a dependable length->minutes conversion ratio if I read that a film is 35mm and has this-many meters of film? Or do variances in fps wreck this?
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » December 22nd, 2016, 4:37 am

Yes, since a 35mm is almost certainly not a silent film, which are the ones usually affected by fps issues. However, you need to know what kind of 35mm film it is: http://www.davidelkins.com/cam/tables.htm

Some reading here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_pulldown
makes me think it will be 4 perf if it's a screening print, but confirmation by someone else would be nice.
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Post by Ebbywebby » December 24th, 2016, 2:34 am

One more to update, but I'm nearing the end of my rope.... Could use some help from others who actually have *seen* these films.

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/el+inmortal/

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Post by joachimt » December 24th, 2016, 8:20 am

Ebbywebby on Dec 23 2016, 07:34:16 PM wrote:One more to update, but I'm nearing the end of my rope.... Could use some help from others who actually have *seen* these films.
When I find the time, I'll go through that list to check which ones I've seen.
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Post by joachimt » December 24th, 2016, 8:39 am

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/amh ... +newsreel/
The only thing I know is that the episodes are 3 or 4 min long and there are 306 episodes. Not enough to enter an exact runtime, I guess.
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Post by joachimt » December 24th, 2016, 8:43 am

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/beo ... goslavije/
1568 m long
35 mm

Is that enough info?
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Post by Ebbywebby » December 24th, 2016, 10:35 am

joachimt on Dec 24 2016, 01:39:06 AM wrote:https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/amh ... +newsreel/
The only thing I know is that the episodes are 3 or 4 min long and there are 306 episodes. Not enough to enter an exact runtime, I guess.
I knew about the "3 or 4 min" but not about the 306. So you're one up on me.

Regarding your second comment, this is why I previously asked about converting physical film length to time.

There are five films (Beograd prestonica Jugoslavije, Slom Jugoslavije, Mojster Plecnik, Srednovekovni Freski vo Makedonija, Ohridsko Ezero) that I have meter lengths for, but don't know if this lets me make confident conclusions about their time. And I saw a *feet* length for La Caverne Maudite.

A few other scattered questions where I found some inconsistent data that doesn't seem strong enough.

Khronika Neobyavlennoy Demonstratsii -- 61 minutes or 70 minutes? Armoreska?
Daddy -- 148? 152?
A Santanotte - 60? 61? 62?
Les Nouveaux Messieurs -- 123 or 135?
The Exploits of Elaine -- 270? 280?

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Post by joachimt » December 24th, 2016, 11:46 am

Ebbywebby on Dec 24 2016, 03:35:49 AM wrote:
joachimt on Dec 24 2016, 01:39:06 AM wrote:https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/amh ... +newsreel/
The only thing I know is that the episodes are 3 or 4 min long and there are 306 episodes. Not enough to enter an exact runtime, I guess.
I knew about the "3 or 4 min" but not about the 306. So you're one up on me.
Don't remember where I found the info about the number of episodes. That's not in the Unesco-document. I made a comment about it on iCM, so I must have found the info back then.
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Post by joachimt » December 24th, 2016, 12:00 pm

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/el+ ... el+eswera/
116 min
Rip available at you know where.
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Post by joachimt » December 24th, 2016, 1:25 pm

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/les ... rs/checks/
124 min
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Post by joachimt » December 24th, 2016, 1:34 pm

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/ohridsko+ezero/
10 min
At least that's what my spreadsheet of shorts say. I think I calculated that from film length in meters.
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Post by joachimt » December 24th, 2016, 3:27 pm

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/running+shadow/
My spreadsheet says 10 minutes. Don't know the source for that info.
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Post by joachimt » December 24th, 2016, 3:43 pm

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/the ... of+a+coon/
Mario checked this 2 weeks ago. Maybe he knows...
...and is able to share it!
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Post by Ebbywebby » December 24th, 2016, 11:30 pm

Thanks...I can't really take time to work on this until Monday, but I'll get on it later.

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Post by joachimt » December 25th, 2016, 9:21 am

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/el+fatawa/
122 min
I've got a (subless) copy. It's probably still on Youtube somewhere.
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Post by Ebbywebby » December 28th, 2016, 5:04 am

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/el+ ... el+eswera/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/choyeon/

These two can be updated.

I'm feeling uncertainty about some others Joachim cited.

For instance, I see "Running Shadow" listed online as 9, 10 or *40* minutes, and the two 40-minute cites sound fairly credible.

https://isauniversidaddelasartes.files. ... habana.pdf
http://www.filmtipset.se/yourpage.cgi?m ... kage=37784

And the YouTube stream for "Sa mori ranit din dragoste de viata" may be 79 minutes, but that stream is screwed up and freezes before the end. And I see a couple of pages (for instance, https://www.facebook.com/events/1554696164819216/) that say the film is *92* minutes.

And with "Les Nouveaux Messieurs," there seems to be confusion whether the film is 123 or 135 minutes. I think I saw pages that suggested 135 minutes was the original edit, and that now it's available at 123. So...which is it?

On the whole, I'm personally more inclined to go by official posted times, rather than by checking how long a Web stream lasts. A stream that could be running fast/slow, could have missing scenes, could cut some company logos at the beginning, etc.

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Post by Ebbywebby » December 28th, 2016, 6:09 am

Remaining unknown-runtime titles still listed at the beginning of this thread, with titles being removed as they get fixed. Only 107 to go?

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Post by Ebbywebby » January 5th, 2017, 2:17 am

Here are three more official checks that can be updated from IMDB. And I see "The Clock" has been updated without me realizing, so I took that off the list.

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/o+g ... +rebanhos/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/the ... cho+villa/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/les ... messieurs/

(See first post of the thread to see what films are left.)
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Post by xianjiro » January 8th, 2017, 12:33 am

thanks for tracking down all those runtime Ebby! :)

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Post by Ebbywebby » January 8th, 2017, 12:56 am

You're welcome! The research is quite difficult at this point...for most of the remaining titles, I can't find any useful info, and for some others, I find contradictory data that I can't confidently resolve. Or I'll find a definite number, but it's given in feet or meters (!) rather than minutes/seconds.

I even exchanged email with someone at the Library of Congress regarding a few NFR films, but she wasn't as helpful as I hoped.

There are about 100 unknown-time official checks left, and I'd be happy to fill in even 20 of them.
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Post by xianjiro » January 8th, 2017, 1:20 am

I appreciate the work since I too have been looking for runtimes - but only for my personal spreadsheet of movies seen (though I do update IMDb when my confidence is high). Granted, most of what I'm looking for is in the newer category but that doesn't mean that there isn't contradictory information or I don't have to dig, dig, dig. Especially fun are some of the extra features from DVDs watched a decade ago.

And then there are the TV series! While sitcoms on a major network are pretty consistent in their runtimes, those lavish dramas on premium cable can vary widely.

With the stuff you're working on, I bet a lot depends on FPS since it's clear that some silents on DVD run faster than I believe was originally intended. (No comment about their UToob runtimes.) So yeah, it's lots of hard work - hopefully you've enjoyed it - and some of us are very appreciative!

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Post by Ebbywebby » January 10th, 2017, 1:39 am

Thanks.

General note: See this thread's first post for the unknown-time checks still remaining. Just over 100, I think.
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Post by Ebbywebby » January 11th, 2017, 2:06 am

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/film+exercise+5/

Well, this one can be updated, now that it has been split apart from Film Exercise #4. (Is it inconsistent that Film Exercises #2-#3 are still combined into one entry?)

The next one can be updated, but I think it refuses to work. There's a problem with these early films that have IMDB times of "0 minutes" with added attributes for their precise times in seconds.

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/dic ... ound+film/

Also, I just watched "Slom Jugoslavije" (thanks to Mathiasa for the subtitles). I'm a little hesitant about submitting a runtime for this. I prefer going by catalog information rather than mere YouTube timings...are we confident that the YouTube stream is unedited? I also note it has a contemporary narrative segment inserted that lasts about 45 seconds, so if we do accept the YouTube link as definitive, the official time should be 18 minutes rather than a rounded-up 19 minutes.

Also, I prettied up the first post of this thread to separate the films by their official lists. Maybe this makes my list a little sexier and more likely to draw input. Or not.
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Post by joachimt » January 11th, 2017, 7:42 am

Ebbywebby on Jan 10 2017, 07:06:36 PM wrote:(Is it inconsistent that Film Exercises #2-#3 are still combined into one entry?)
The clip we've got shows an opening screen of 2-3 combined. There is no proof these exist separately or are screened separately, so there is no ground to split them on IMDb.
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Post by Ebbywebby » January 11th, 2017, 7:47 am

Well, some of the Brakhage films get grouped together, yet have separate IMDB pages....

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Post by joachimt » January 11th, 2017, 7:51 am

Ebbywebby on Jan 11 2017, 12:47:42 AM wrote:Well, some of the Brakhage films get grouped together, yet have separate IMDB pages....
Sure, IMDb isn't consistent.
If you want to change something, you have to have some proof though. I doubt they really look at it with titles like this, so if you have enough reason to split them, go ahead.
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Post by Ebbywebby » January 11th, 2017, 8:01 am

It's nothing I feel strongly about...just raising the question.


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Post by ChrisReynolds » January 19th, 2017, 3:08 pm

This was in the BFI catalogue, I calculated runtime from the film gauge and footage length

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