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Coryn wrote: January 27th, 2021, 7:44 pm
PeacefulAnarchy wrote: January 27th, 2021, 5:51 pm The rankings have all the rankings for the starter list!!!!!

I don't understand what this means ?

Thanks for the updates !
Yeah the grammar in that post is awful, lol.

The starter list is the excel sheet of every film considered. It used to only have the top 1000 rankings, then a couple of years ago started including the top 2000. Now it has the rankings for the entire list.
So the lowest ranked film, for example, is:
Ranking 20430: Without Honor (Pichel, Irving 1949)
It doesn't give points (someday I'll find the excel sheet from the one year he did post the points) and I'm sure there are a lot of ties, but still cool, especially as a glimpse into what might get into the top 2000 in the future.


Unrelated, imdb list is up: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls084497023/
I'll fix up the other imdb lists later.
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Oh that's really cool. Going to look up some personal favorites
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Fallen from grace

These movies have the lowest known placing in the 2021 edition while having been in the top 1000 of TSPDT at one time:

8926 (999 in 2006): Petrified Forest, The (1936) Mayo, Archie
5984 (985 in 2007): White Shadows in the South Seas (1928) Van Dyke, W.S.
5220 (948 in 2006): For All Mankind (1989) Reinert, Al
4772 (658 in 2006): Fortune, The (1974) Nichols, Mike
4442 (715 in 2006): My Apprenticeship (1939) Donskoi, Mark
4381 (900 in 2008): Lucifer Rising (1972) Anger, Kenneth
4259 (897 in 2007): Road to Life (1931) Ekk, Nikolai
3982 (964 in 2008): Dark Eyes (1987) Mikhalkov, Nikita
3948 (877 in 2006): Devil in Miss Jones, The (1972) Damiano, Gerard
3834 (993 in 2010): Bay of Angels (1963) Demy, Jacques

Lowest ranked movies that were once in top 500:

1670 (409 in 2006): Baby Doll (1956) Kazan, Elia
1629 (340 in 2006): There's Always Tomorrow (1956) Sirk, Douglas (This is also the highest rank a movie outside of the current top 1000 ever got)
1468 (484 in 2006): Man from Laramie, The (1955) Mann, Anthony

What genre should I make to get into TSPDT ?


If you ever want your movie to join this list you better start filming some Drama (note that most movies have multiple tags)

Drama 625
Romance 239
Thriller 143
War 124
Documentary 91
Fantasy 82
Science Fiction 78
History 68
Horror 67
Crime 65
Comedy 62
Musical 56
Western 42
Mystery 36
Political 36
Action 28
Animated 23
Adventure 21
Religious 20
Short 16
Avant Garde 9
Prison 9
Biography 8
Spy 7
Family 6
Sport 6
Dance 3
Experimental 1
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I liked Fantomas fine, but too bad the TSPDT list has to messily expand to 1005 titles.

Oddly, I had a net loss of two titles on both the #1-1000 list AND the #1001-2000 list.
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I seem to have lost 1 check on the TSPDT and 6 checks on the Not-So-TSPDT list.
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I have seen 767 of the 1001-2000 list. I will finally see the highest ranked I have not seen, Mysteries of Lisbon, soon.
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St. Gloede wrote: January 27th, 2021, 11:32 am Yes, I believe it is the biggest I'm yet to see from him. Caught 8 Hous so far, and I have rated everything between 5-7 (i.e. mediocre - to very good - but no great films) - so generally little interest in exploring more. He is likely the most respected filmmaker I have never loved a film by. Of course, that could always change with Mambo.
While I seem to appreciate Hou more than you, only Three Times has become a favorite of mine (and that was only after a second viewing).
While I think his films are good, on some level he just “doesn’t really speak to me,” and though I really like his primary cinematographer (Lee, Ping bing), I still find it difficult to become immersed in his films (other than Three Times, which eventually worked a wonderful magic on me).

Has nothing to do with Hou’s films being “slow cinema,” which I often love, but there is something that interferes with my making a strong connection with the others I’ve seen, including Millenium Mambo, which I liked but didn’t love, despite a couple of very memorable scenes that have at least as much to do with the cinematography and Hou’s muse as his touch as a filmmaker.

I will say that my appreciation of Three Times has everything to do with the feeling he creates through his visual soundscape, and I think his cinema is the kind you need to sink into (I have actually found every one of the films I have seen by him to improve with a second viewing, which to me suggests familiarity with the worlds he creates is essential.
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All Editions List updated.

1630/1674

An American Werewolf in London and Carlito's Way took 16 years to get back into the main list.
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joachimt wrote: January 28th, 2021, 8:57 pm All Editions List updated.

1630/1674
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Only 1289 for me.
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cinewest wrote: January 27th, 2021, 9:38 am Malick, Haneke, and Von Trier, who often aren't treated so well on this board.
Really? For contemporary directors (bigger part of their careers in the 90s, 00s, 10s)? Sounds like a matter of perspective to me.
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These are the films that dropped off from the 1001-2000 list, taken from the Starting List.
75 dropoffs
Director(s) Title Year Country Length Colour Genre 2021 2020
Bardem, Juan Antonio Calle Mayor 1956 Spain-France 99 BW Drama 2174 1949
Barnet, Boris House on Trubnaya Square, The 1928 USSR 84 BW Comedy 2178 1990
Bergman, Ingmar Magician, The 1958 Sweden 102 BW Drama 2221 1971
Bernal, Ishmael Manila by Night 1980 Philippines 150 Col Drama 2211 1841
Bertolucci, Bernardo Sheltering Sky, The 1990 UK-Italy 137 Col Drama 2208 1976
Biberman, Herbert J. Salt of the Earth 1953 USA 94 BW Docudrama 2291 1988
Bidgood, James Pink Narcissus 1971 USA 71 Col Drama 2312 1996
Blier, Bertrand Going Places 1974 France 117 Col Drama-Comedy-Crime 2260 1963
Borzage, Frank Moonrise 1948 USA 90 BW Drama-Crime 2315 2000
Carné, Marcel Hotel du Nord 1938 France 90 BW Drama 2335 1899
Coppola, Francis Ford One from the Heart 1982 USA 107 Col Romance-Musical 2180 1907
De Palma, Brian Sisters 1973 USA 93 Col Thriller-Horror 2148 1884
De Palma, Brian Body Double 1984 USA 109 Col Thriller-Mystery 2188 1912
De Seta, Vittorio Bandits of Orgosolo 1961 Italy 98 BW Drama 2214 1967
Demme, Jonathan Something Wild 1986 USA 113 Col Drama-Comedy 2226 1994
Dulac, Germaine Seashell and the Clergyman, The 1928 France 31 BW Short 2141 1960
Dumont, Bruno Vie de Jésus, La 1997 France 96 Col Drama 2207 1920
Epstein, Jean Coeur fidèle 1923 France 87 BW Drama 2177 1904
Farrelly, Bob/Peter Farrelly There's Something About Mary 1998 USA 119 Col Romance-Comedy 2144 1889
Ferrara, Abel King of New York 1990 USA 103 Col Crime 2179 1906
Foley, James Glengarry Glen Ross 1992 USA 100 Col Drama 2161 1930
Ford, John Two Rode Together 1961 USA 109 Col Western 2213 1942
Fuller, Samuel White Dog 1982 USA 89 Col Drama 2185 1926
Godard, Jean-Luc Puissance de la parole 1988 France 25 Col Drama-Short-Romance 2219 1985
Greenaway, Peter Falls, The 1980 UK 195 Col Science Fiction-Drama-Comedy 2303 1992
Has, Wojciech Hourglass Sanatorium, The 1973 Poland 124 Col Drama-Fantasy 2262 1995
Hill, George Roy World According to Garp, The 1982 USA 136 Col Drama-Comedy 2313 1998
Hitchcock, Alfred Foreign Correspondent 1940 USA 119 BW War-Thriller-Spy 2266 1966
Im Kwon-taek Mandala 1981 South Korea 105 Col Religious-Drama 2054 1541
Jeunet, Jean-Pierre/Marc Caro City of Lost Children, The 1995 France 112 Col Fantasy 2279 1980
Judge, Mike Office Space 1998 USA 89 Col Romance-Comedy-Crime 2086 1668
Kluge, Alexander Artists Under the Big Top: Perplexed 1968 West Germany 104 Col-BW Drama 2212 1924
Koreeda, Hirokazu Maborosi 1995 Japan 110 Col Drama 2215 1933
La Cava, Gregory Stage Door 1937 USA 92 BW Drama-Comedy 2250 1955
Lemke, Klaus Rocker [TV] 1972 West Germany 85 Col Drama-Action-Crime 2140 1878
Leni, Paul Man Who Laughs, The 1928 USA 94 BW Horror-Drama-Mystery 2169 1895
Lumet, Sidney Serpico 1973 USA 129 Col Crime-Biography-Drama 2149 1887
Malle, Louis Lovers, The 1958 France 88 BW Drama 2150 1885
Malle, Louis Vanya on 42nd Street 1994 USA 120 Col Drama 2229 1939
Mekas, Jonas Reminiscences of a Journey to Lithuania 1972 UK-West Germany 88 Col Documentary 2245 1948
Minghella, Anthony English Patient, The 1996 USA 160 Col Drama 2199 1936
Morris, Errol Fog of War, The 2003 USA 107 Col Documentary 2016 1311
Mulligan, Robert Other, The 1972 USA 100 Col Horror 2239 1959
Oshima, Nagisa Death by Hanging 1968 Japan 117 BW Crime-Drama-Comedy 2147 1882
Ouedraogo, Idrissa Yaaba 1989 Burkina Faso-Switzerland-France 90 Col Family 2167 1954
Pal, George Time Machine, The 1960 USA 103 Col Science Fiction 2285 1986
Peck, Raoul Lumumba 2000 France-Belgium-Germany-Haiti 115 Col Drama-Biography-History 2280 1982
Picazo, Miguel Tia Tula, La 1964 Spain 109 BW Drama 2210 1923
Pietrangeli, Antonio I Knew Her Well 1965 Italy-West Germany-France 99 BW Drama 2204 1969
Robinson, Phil Alden Field of Dreams 1989 USA 106 Col Fantasy-Drama 2158 1944
Rohmer, Eric Perceval 1978 France 140 Col Drama 2198 1984
Rossellini, Roberto Generale Della Rovere, Il 1959 Italy 129 BW War-Drama 2202 1919
Russell, Ken Women in Love 1969 UK 129 Col Romance-Drama 2171 1898
Sganzerla, Rogério Sem Essa, Aranha 1970 Brazil 102 Col --- 2240 1945
Sidney, George Scaramouche 1952 USA 118 Col Adventure-Drama-Romance 2184 1917
Siodmak, Robert Phantom Lady 1944 USA 87 BW Mystery-Crime 2170 1897
Sjöman, Vilgot I Am Curious (Yellow) 1967 Sweden 121 BW Political-Drama-Documentary 2234 1983
Sjöström, Victor Man There Was, A 1917 Sweden 55 BW Drama 2183 1909
Soderbergh, Steven Solaris 2002 USA 99 Col Science Fiction-Drama-Romance 2209 1922
Suzuki, Seijun Tokyo Drifter 1966 Japan 83 Col Action 2182 1908
Takita, Yojiro Departures 2008 Japan 130 Col Drama 2176 1901
Tonacci, Andrea Serras da desordem 2006 Brazil 135 Col Documentary 2287 1987
Trinh T. Minh-ha Reassemblage 1982 USA 40 Col Documentary-Short 2274 1974
Various Directors Wire, The [TV] 2002-2008 USA 3600 Col Crime-Drama-Mystery 2242 1946
Vertov, Dziga One-Sixth of the World 1926 USSR 65 BW Documentary 2246 1999
Vidor, King Ruby Gentry 1952 USA 82 BW Drama 2317 1993
von Sternberg, Josef Blonde Venus 1932 USA 97 BW Drama 2187 1918
Walsh, Raoul They Died with Their Boots On 1941 USA 138 BW Western-War-Romance 2278 1977
Walsh, Raoul Objective, Burma! 1945 USA 142 BW War 2166 1894
Weir, Peter Fearless 1993 USA 122 Col Drama 2235 1943
Widerberg, Bo Raven's End 1963 Sweden 101 BW Drama 2143 1880
Winterbottom, Michael 24 Hour Party People 2002 UK 115 Col Drama-Comedy 2090 1691
Woo, John Face/Off 1997 USA 138 Col Thriller-Action 2257 1961
Young, Terence Dr. No 1962 UK 111 Col Thriller-Spy-Action 2231 1940
Zinnemann, Fred Day of the Jackal, The 1973 France-UK 141 Col Thriller 2152 1978
Some are already on the DTC list, but I don't know if the others will automatically be nominated or not. De Palma, Malle, and Walsh each had two films drop off.
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Fergenaprido wrote: January 28th, 2021, 10:27 pm These are the films that dropped off from the 1001-2000 list, taken from the Starting List.
75 dropoffs
Director(s) Title Year Country Length Colour Genre 2021 2020
Bardem, Juan Antonio Calle Mayor 1956 Spain-France 99 BW Drama 2174 1949
Barnet, Boris House on Trubnaya Square, The 1928 USSR 84 BW Comedy 2178 1990
Bergman, Ingmar Magician, The 1958 Sweden 102 BW Drama 2221 1971
Bernal, Ishmael Manila by Night 1980 Philippines 150 Col Drama 2211 1841
Bertolucci, Bernardo Sheltering Sky, The 1990 UK-Italy 137 Col Drama 2208 1976
Biberman, Herbert J. Salt of the Earth 1953 USA 94 BW Docudrama 2291 1988
Bidgood, James Pink Narcissus 1971 USA 71 Col Drama 2312 1996
Blier, Bertrand Going Places 1974 France 117 Col Drama-Comedy-Crime 2260 1963
Borzage, Frank Moonrise 1948 USA 90 BW Drama-Crime 2315 2000
Carné, Marcel Hotel du Nord 1938 France 90 BW Drama 2335 1899
Coppola, Francis Ford One from the Heart 1982 USA 107 Col Romance-Musical 2180 1907
De Palma, Brian Sisters 1973 USA 93 Col Thriller-Horror 2148 1884
De Palma, Brian Body Double 1984 USA 109 Col Thriller-Mystery 2188 1912
De Seta, Vittorio Bandits of Orgosolo 1961 Italy 98 BW Drama 2214 1967
Demme, Jonathan Something Wild 1986 USA 113 Col Drama-Comedy 2226 1994
Dulac, Germaine Seashell and the Clergyman, The 1928 France 31 BW Short 2141 1960
Dumont, Bruno Vie de Jésus, La 1997 France 96 Col Drama 2207 1920
Epstein, Jean Coeur fidèle 1923 France 87 BW Drama 2177 1904
Farrelly, Bob/Peter Farrelly There's Something About Mary 1998 USA 119 Col Romance-Comedy 2144 1889
Ferrara, Abel King of New York 1990 USA 103 Col Crime 2179 1906
Foley, James Glengarry Glen Ross 1992 USA 100 Col Drama 2161 1930
Ford, John Two Rode Together 1961 USA 109 Col Western 2213 1942
Fuller, Samuel White Dog 1982 USA 89 Col Drama 2185 1926
Godard, Jean-Luc Puissance de la parole 1988 France 25 Col Drama-Short-Romance 2219 1985
Greenaway, Peter Falls, The 1980 UK 195 Col Science Fiction-Drama-Comedy 2303 1992
Has, Wojciech Hourglass Sanatorium, The 1973 Poland 124 Col Drama-Fantasy 2262 1995
Hill, George Roy World According to Garp, The 1982 USA 136 Col Drama-Comedy 2313 1998
Hitchcock, Alfred Foreign Correspondent 1940 USA 119 BW War-Thriller-Spy 2266 1966
Im Kwon-taek Mandala 1981 South Korea 105 Col Religious-Drama 2054 1541
Jeunet, Jean-Pierre/Marc Caro City of Lost Children, The 1995 France 112 Col Fantasy 2279 1980
Judge, Mike Office Space 1998 USA 89 Col Romance-Comedy-Crime 2086 1668
Kluge, Alexander Artists Under the Big Top: Perplexed 1968 West Germany 104 Col-BW Drama 2212 1924
Koreeda, Hirokazu Maborosi 1995 Japan 110 Col Drama 2215 1933
La Cava, Gregory Stage Door 1937 USA 92 BW Drama-Comedy 2250 1955
Lemke, Klaus Rocker [TV] 1972 West Germany 85 Col Drama-Action-Crime 2140 1878
Leni, Paul Man Who Laughs, The 1928 USA 94 BW Horror-Drama-Mystery 2169 1895
Lumet, Sidney Serpico 1973 USA 129 Col Crime-Biography-Drama 2149 1887
Malle, Louis Lovers, The 1958 France 88 BW Drama 2150 1885
Malle, Louis Vanya on 42nd Street 1994 USA 120 Col Drama 2229 1939
Mekas, Jonas Reminiscences of a Journey to Lithuania 1972 UK-West Germany 88 Col Documentary 2245 1948
Minghella, Anthony English Patient, The 1996 USA 160 Col Drama 2199 1936
Morris, Errol Fog of War, The 2003 USA 107 Col Documentary 2016 1311
Mulligan, Robert Other, The 1972 USA 100 Col Horror 2239 1959
Oshima, Nagisa Death by Hanging 1968 Japan 117 BW Crime-Drama-Comedy 2147 1882
Ouedraogo, Idrissa Yaaba 1989 Burkina Faso-Switzerland-France 90 Col Family 2167 1954
Pal, George Time Machine, The 1960 USA 103 Col Science Fiction 2285 1986
Peck, Raoul Lumumba 2000 France-Belgium-Germany-Haiti 115 Col Drama-Biography-History 2280 1982
Picazo, Miguel Tia Tula, La 1964 Spain 109 BW Drama 2210 1923
Pietrangeli, Antonio I Knew Her Well 1965 Italy-West Germany-France 99 BW Drama 2204 1969
Robinson, Phil Alden Field of Dreams 1989 USA 106 Col Fantasy-Drama 2158 1944
Rohmer, Eric Perceval 1978 France 140 Col Drama 2198 1984
Rossellini, Roberto Generale Della Rovere, Il 1959 Italy 129 BW War-Drama 2202 1919
Russell, Ken Women in Love 1969 UK 129 Col Romance-Drama 2171 1898
Sganzerla, Rogério Sem Essa, Aranha 1970 Brazil 102 Col --- 2240 1945
Sidney, George Scaramouche 1952 USA 118 Col Adventure-Drama-Romance 2184 1917
Siodmak, Robert Phantom Lady 1944 USA 87 BW Mystery-Crime 2170 1897
Sjöman, Vilgot I Am Curious (Yellow) 1967 Sweden 121 BW Political-Drama-Documentary 2234 1983
Sjöström, Victor Man There Was, A 1917 Sweden 55 BW Drama 2183 1909
Soderbergh, Steven Solaris 2002 USA 99 Col Science Fiction-Drama-Romance 2209 1922
Suzuki, Seijun Tokyo Drifter 1966 Japan 83 Col Action 2182 1908
Takita, Yojiro Departures 2008 Japan 130 Col Drama 2176 1901
Tonacci, Andrea Serras da desordem 2006 Brazil 135 Col Documentary 2287 1987
Trinh T. Minh-ha Reassemblage 1982 USA 40 Col Documentary-Short 2274 1974
Various Directors Wire, The [TV] 2002-2008 USA 3600 Col Crime-Drama-Mystery 2242 1946
Vertov, Dziga One-Sixth of the World 1926 USSR 65 BW Documentary 2246 1999
Vidor, King Ruby Gentry 1952 USA 82 BW Drama 2317 1993
von Sternberg, Josef Blonde Venus 1932 USA 97 BW Drama 2187 1918
Walsh, Raoul They Died with Their Boots On 1941 USA 138 BW Western-War-Romance 2278 1977
Walsh, Raoul Objective, Burma! 1945 USA 142 BW War 2166 1894
Weir, Peter Fearless 1993 USA 122 Col Drama 2235 1943
Widerberg, Bo Raven's End 1963 Sweden 101 BW Drama 2143 1880
Winterbottom, Michael 24 Hour Party People 2002 UK 115 Col Drama-Comedy 2090 1691
Woo, John Face/Off 1997 USA 138 Col Thriller-Action 2257 1961
Young, Terence Dr. No 1962 UK 111 Col Thriller-Spy-Action 2231 1940
Zinnemann, Fred Day of the Jackal, The 1973 France-UK 141 Col Thriller 2152 1978
Some are already on the DTC list, but I don't know if the others will automatically be nominated or not. De Palma, Malle, and Walsh each had two films drop off.
Shocked to see some major classics on that list.
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Coppola, Francis Ford One from the Heart 1982 USA 107 Col Romance-Musical 2180 1907
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I have seen 1543 on the All Editions list.
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funkybusiness wrote: January 29th, 2021, 6:32 am
Coppola, Francis Ford One from the Heart 1982 USA 107 Col Romance-Musical 2180 1907
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lul billy graham.

(I'm not actually dead, btw)
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1558 on All Editions list.
Another list I should work on at some point.
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As someone ever tried to add IMDB numbers to the PSPDT Starting list excel file ?
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joachimt wrote: January 28th, 2021, 8:57 pm All Editions List updated.

1630/1674

An American Werewolf in London and Carlito's Way took 16 years to get back into the main list.
Cheers. 1603 for me. Someone, somewhere is going to have to explain how Jimmy Hollywood ever made the list.
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Tim2460 wrote: January 29th, 2021, 9:40 am As someone ever tried to add IMDB numbers to the PSPDT Starting list excel file ?
Shhhh, don't reveal my secret.

It's not anywhere near complete, only the ones that have made the list. Now that there's a full ranking I might slowly expand, though.
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joachimt wrote: January 28th, 2021, 8:57 pm All Editions List updated.

1630/1674

An American Werewolf in London and Carlito's Way took 16 years to get back into the main list.
Cheers. 1603 for me. Someone, somewhere is going to have to explain how Jimmy Hollywood ever made the list.
The first couple of iterations of the list were not great.
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PeacefulAnarchy wrote: January 29th, 2021, 3:24 pm
brokenface wrote: January 29th, 2021, 10:04 am Cheers. 1603 for me. Someone, somewhere is going to have to explain how Jimmy Hollywood ever made the list.
The first couple of iterations of the list were not great.
#1648 Cannibal Holocaust :blink:

From the 1500s, I wouldn't expect Contact, Chasing Amy or O Brother Where Art Thou to make the list now .. or Barbarella. :lol: tehe

#1487 Buckaroo Banzai :blink:

Funny how They Shoot Horses, Don't They hasn't been on the list since 2007. :D
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I made a 2001-3000 list on ICM. Please let me know if you spot any errors:

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/tspd ... rokenface/

Annoyingly just one film missing at #2994. Robert Beavers 18 film cycle I don't think is on IMDB (though willing to be corrected).
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btw, something odd I noticed while making this. In rankings from ~1001-1100, it's very heavy on recent films, much more so than the rest of 1001-2000. Same thing happens ~2001-2100 and so on every 1000 films you get a big cluster of recent films.

Makes me think there's some weird manipulation going on with rankings of recent films to stop them climbing too high too quick?
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Hmmm interesting

I have seen 551 in the 2000 plus list
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There are lots of weightings and I think older lists may have a bigger weight. All good because I prefer older films on the whole.
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Seen 703.
Quite surprised I hase seen that many !
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brokenface wrote: February 12th, 2021, 5:35 pm btw, something odd I noticed while making this. In rankings from ~1001-1100, it's very heavy on recent films, much more so than the rest of 1001-2000. Same thing happens ~2001-2100 and so on every 1000 films you get a big cluster of recent films.

Makes me think there's some weird manipulation going on with rankings of recent films to stop them climbing too high too quick?
I haven't looked closely at 1001-2000 for a while but yeah...obviously something weird going on with this chunk of the 2001-3000 list. The first 15 are all from the 2010s and only 7 of the first 40 are pre-2000; you also have some weird concentrations, i.e, almost all the films from 33-43 are horror and/or thrillers. And going a little further down it continues to be quite heavily weighted to the 21st century until you hit the 200s.
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I wonder if this is where the ties start to come in? Where you have a bunch of similar films appearing on almost the same lists, and perhaps only differ by the rankings on those lists? I haven't looked at the points to verify, mind you, just a conjecture.

I've seen just over a quarter of the films, which sounds about right.
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Possibly to do with ties but there definitely seems to be a pattern if scroll down through the list whenever you get to a new 1000, it's always a cluster of 2010s films first (well i only scrolled to the 5000s).
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I've seen 502. I just baaaaaarely get my Bronze. ;)
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brokenface wrote: February 12th, 2021, 5:35 pm btw, something odd I noticed while making this. In rankings from ~1001-1100, it's very heavy on recent films, much more so than the rest of 1001-2000. Same thing happens ~2001-2100 and so on every 1000 films you get a big cluster of recent films.

Makes me think there's some weird manipulation going on with rankings of recent films to stop them climbing too high too quick?
I think Bill already explained this once: Those movies don't have enough all-time ballots (only best of the year / best of the decade) to get to the next level.
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brokenface wrote: February 12th, 2021, 5:35 pm btw, something odd I noticed while making this. In rankings from ~1001-1100, it's very heavy on recent films, much more so than the rest of 1001-2000. Same thing happens ~2001-2100 and so on every 1000 films you get a big cluster of recent films.

Makes me think there's some weird manipulation going on with rankings of recent films to stop them climbing too high too quick?
I remember reading a few years ago in one of their yearly introductions to the list that their formulas included a weighting factor to favour older films over the most recent:
please keep in mind that we use a reasonably complicated set of formulas to come up with the Top-1000, from a starting list of 9,954 films. These formulas take into account, amongst other things, the quality/reputation of the critic, the quality/reputation of the poll, the age of the poll (e.g., the 2002 Sight and Sound poll is weighted higher than the 1992 poll), whether a film has stood the test of time (yes, as you may have suspected, we do mark recent films harder), etc, etc.
That was in 2012.
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Angel Glez wrote: February 13th, 2021, 9:37 am
brokenface wrote: February 12th, 2021, 5:35 pm btw, something odd I noticed while making this. In rankings from ~1001-1100, it's very heavy on recent films, much more so than the rest of 1001-2000. Same thing happens ~2001-2100 and so on every 1000 films you get a big cluster of recent films.

Makes me think there's some weird manipulation going on with rankings of recent films to stop them climbing too high too quick?
I think Bill already explained this once: Those movies don't have enough all-time ballots (only best of the year / best of the decade) to get to the next level.
Ah okay thanks, that would explain it. There must be a set level for each 1000 so you always get a cluster of new films near the top which have enough points but don't meet that all-time criteria to take a place in the next level.
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sortile9io wrote: February 13th, 2021, 9:48 am whether a film has stood the test of time (yes, as you may have suspected, we do mark recent films harder)
Just so you realize HOW spectacular The Tree of Life at #167 is.
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The update to the 21st Century List is live!

24 new films, with the following top 10 of 2020:

1. FIRST COW Kelly Reichardt
2. LOVERS ROCK Steve McQueen
3. NOMADLAND Chloé Zhao
4. NEVER RARELY SOMETIMES ALWAYS Eliza Hittman
5. I'M THINKING OF ENDING THINGS Charlie Kaufman
6. DA 5 BLOODS Spike Lee
7. TIME Garrett Bradley
8. DAVID BYRNE'S AMERICAN UTOPIA Spike Lee
9. THE ASSISTANT Kitty Green
10. BACURAU Juliano Dornelles & Kleber Mendonça Filho
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The / has to be removed from the end of the link, Panunzio
Correct link
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They released the entire list of rankings!
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Here's what left:

300 (2006, Zack Snyder)
13 ASSASSINS (2010, Takashi Miike)
ALL OR NOTHING (2002, Mike Leigh)
AT SEA (2007, Peter B. Hutton)
BARBARA (2012, Christian Petzold)
BLACK SUN (2005, Gary Tarn)
BLANCANIEVES (2011, Pablo Berger)
CLIMAX (2018, Gaspar Noé)
DAY NIGHT DAY NIGHT (2006, Julia Loktev)
THE DEEP END (2001, Scott McGehee & David Siegel)
THE DEVIL'S REJECTS (2005, Rob Zombie)
THE DITCH (2010, Wang Bing)
ENOUGH SAID (2013, Nicole Holofcener)
THE FITS (2015, Anna Rose Holmer)
FLANDERS (2006, Bruno Dumont)
FRANK (2014, Lenny Abrahamson)
THE FUTURE (2011, Miranda July)
THE GATEKEEPERS (2012, Dror Moreh)
GIRLFIGHT (2000, Karyn Kusama)
GRADUATION (2016, Cristian Mungiu)
HAT WOLFF VON AMERONGEN KONKURSDELIKTE BEGANGEN? (2004, Gerhard Benedikt Friedl)
THE HOUSE I LIVE IN (2012, Eugene Jarecki)
HOW TO SURVIVE A PLAGUE (2012, David France)
HUSTLERS (2019, Lorene Scafaria)
I, TONYA (2017, Craig Gillespie)
THE IMPOSTER (2012, Bart Layton)
UN LAC (2008, Philippe Grandrieux)
LAGE RAHO MUNNA BHAI (2006, Rajkumar Hirani)
LEBANON (2009, Samuel Maoz)
MARCH OF THE PENGUINS (2005, Luc Jacquet)
MARGOT AT THE WEDDING (2007, Noah Baumbach)
MONDAYS IN THE SUN (2002, Fernando León de Aranoa)
MY ARCHITECT (2003, Nathaniel Kahn)
NIGHT ACROSS THE STREET (2012, Raúl Ruiz)
OKJA (2017, Bong Joon-ho)
OPERAI, CONTADINI (2001, Jean-Marie Straub & Danièle Huillet)
AN OVERSIMPLICATION OF HER BEAUTY (2011, Terence Nance)
THE RAID 2 (2014, Gareth Evans)
RAY (2004, Taylor Hackford)
THE RING (2002, Gore Verbinski)
ROAD TO PERDITION (2002, Sam Mendes)
SHATTERED GLASS (2003, Billy Ray)
THE SKY TURNS (2004, Mercedes Álvarez)
SNOWTOWN (2011, Justin Kurzel)
SOBIBÓR, OCTOBER 14, 1943, 4 P.M. (2001, Claude Lanzmann)
SON FRÈRE (2003, Patrice Chéreau)
SPRINGTIME IN A SMALL TOWN (2002, Tian Zhuangzhuang)
STUCK ON YOU (2003, Bob Farrelly & Peter Farrelly)
TEZA (2008, Haile Gerima)
TOKYO SONATA (2008, Kiyoshi Kurosawa)
A TOWN CALLED PANIC (2009, Stephane Aubier & Vincent Patar)
TURTLES CAN FLY (2004, Bahman Ghobadi)
VA SAVOIR (2001, Jacques Rivette)
VICTORIA (2015, Sebastian Schipper)
LA VIE NOUVELLE (2002, Philippe Grandrieux)
VIOLA (2012, Matías Piñeiro)
WORLD OF TOMORROW (2015, Don Hertzfeldt)
YOUR NAME (2016, Makoto Shinkai)
ZIDANE: A 21ST CENTURY PORTRAIT (2006, Douglas Gordon & Philippe Parreno)
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NEW (but older than 2019)
MIA MADRE
FAUST
WE HAVE A POPE
JULIETA
AFTER LUCIA
THE CHASER
THE DREAMERS
FATHER AND DAUGHTER
THE GRAND BIZARRE
LONG DAY'S JOURNEY INTO NIGHT
MANDY
THE WAILING
WORKINGSMAN' DEATH
INTIMACY
Profit & Nothing But! Or Impolite Thoughts on the Class Struggle
Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith
WELCOME TO NEW YORK
REVANCHE
ON BODY AND SOUL
THE NEON DEMON
LETO
SHAOLIN SOCCER
MY JOY
BRIDGE OF SPIES
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Mixed feelings, just think the list at a whole isn't very interesting, steered towards the earliest decade, American cinema, mediocre blockbusters (like what is Revenge of the Sith doing there) and arty-farty movies. I suppose it's not the worst list out there, but overall not a fan (also stop incl. fucking tv series)

Respire is somewhere around 2500, but my all-time favourite movie even isn't in the list of 9000 movies. Morons! Luckily it's in the top 20 of ICM <400 checks movies, but it has over 400 checks now.

Glad with Neon Demon and Mandy, but we lose Victoria and Climax instead. Doesn't make much sense. Also glad with LONG DAY'S JOURNEY INTO NIGHT and ON BODY AND SOUL which i both haven't seen. Very surprised with After Lucia, considering what we lose (it's now official). Losing Your Name is weird though, but it has many back-up lists to stay official.

I think of the ones I care Climax is in danger of losing official status, but it might return next year or in a few years. It should. It's the best Noé movie, IMO.
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