O' heavens, please help me describe my frustration, if the TSPDT list is doubled just now when I seriously started to aim for the platinum on it!
EDIT: In other words, I strongly hope that the TSPDT 1001-2000 list becomes an individual list, and not an extension to the existing list. Otherwise, my moral backbone is unavoidably crushed on my previously joyous mission.
If 1001-2000 is adopted, it absolutely 100% has to be separate. It's very clear from source that the main list is meant to be 1000 films, that has always been the project, it's headed 'The 1000 Greatest Films'.
Getting timeouts all over the place, but I sure hope it's not becoming a separate list. It's getting a little out of hand with these TSPDT lists, not in the least because they're some kind of composite list already. Just decide on how many films you want in the official list and leave it at that.
Has to be a separate list. The source is very clear on 1000 being the specific primary list. Welcome the adoption of 1001 to 2000 as a separate list though.
Hoping for separate lists just cause it’d make keeping track of how far I am from finishing the top 1000 much harder. Plus in the current version, at least most of the movies are easy to find. Empire is in the top 2000 and I’m sure it’s not the only difficult one to find.
I'm wondering who had even proposed the idea having them merged together?
I can't even imagine both of them being in a single list. They are supposed to be two different lists.
And, I also welcome the isdea of makin 1001-2000 official.
Agreed with the general consensus here. Hoping it gets adopted soon as a separate list.
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Did I understand it right that only 8 out of 22 cycles of the film have ever been shown or even finished, and that there's an organization which is still trying to complete the whole film? Does anyone even know if there's going to be another showing in the future? The last showing (of the cycles 6-8) seems to have been held in 2012.
Is Eniaios even in the TSPDT 2000 (#1831) just because three critics voted for it in S&S 2012 poll? If that is so, it feels to me that having 2000 films on the TSPDT list (separately or in one list) is a bit much altogether...
Did I understand it right that only 8 out of 22 cycles of the film have ever been shown or even finished, and that there's an organization which is still trying to complete the whole film? Does anyone even know if there's going to be another showing in the future? The last showing (of the cycles 6-8) seems to have been held in 2012.
Is Eniaios even in the TSPDT 2000 (#1831) just because three critics voted for it in S&S 2012 poll? If that is so, it feels to me that having 2000 films on the TSPDT list (separately or in one list) is a bit much altogether...
This is my understanding as well. When I found this out, it made me question the compilation and weighting process of TSPDT. Given that there are thousands of lists included, the fact that a film showing up on a single list is enough to make the top 2000 out of a starting list of ... 14,000(?) is baffling and counterintuitive to me, unless I misunderstand the process.
Maybe someone should do a composite list of TSPDT and S&S, and that can be the ultimate list. And that list can be combined with the Top 1000 ICM most official check list, for even more inbreeding!
erde wrote: ↑February 24th, 2020, 7:27 am
Did I understand it right that only 8 out of 22 cycles of the film have ever been shown or even finished, and that there's an organization which is still trying to complete the whole film? Does anyone even know if there's going to be another showing in the future? The last showing (of the cycles 6-8) seems to have been held in 2012.
erde wrote: ↑February 24th, 2020, 7:27 am
Did I understand it right that only 8 out of 22 cycles of the film have ever been shown or even finished, and that there's an organization which is still trying to complete the whole film? Does anyone even know if there's going to be another showing in the future? The last showing (of the cycles 6-8) seems to have been held in 2012.
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Stop with the madness! It shouldn't be adopted, we don't need more 1000 movies list. What's next, TSZDT 1001-2000 ?
This idea of more 1000 movies lists is becoming tiresome. We should focus more on small but compelling lists and I believe there's so much to choose from.
dirty_score wrote: ↑February 24th, 2020, 12:00 pm
Stop with the madness! It shouldn't be adopted, we don't need more 1000 movies list. What's next, TSZDT 1001-2000 ?
This idea of more 1000 movies lists is becoming tiresome. We should focus more on small but compelling lists and I believe there's so much to choose from.
I love top 1000 lists, but ones from different sources and covering different aspects of cinema. I don’t really like the idea of addendums being made official.
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Fergenaprido wrote: ↑February 24th, 2020, 8:15 am
[When I found this out, it made me question the compilation and weighting process of TSPDT. Given that there are thousands of lists included, the fact that a film showing up on a single list is enough to make the top 2000 out of a starting list of ... 14,000(?) is baffling and counterintuitive to me, unless I misunderstand the process.
My thoughts exactly. I'm quite saddened about this because I have been a fan of the site so long. Maybe some openness about the algorithm wouldn't be so bad...
Thanks! Tried searching for the full name but ended up dropped on some movie page instead of the hoped for results page with the tabs that includes lists.
Adopt TSPDT #1001-2000, make Doubling the Canon unofficial. In other words, replace Doubling the Canon with TSPDT #1001-2000. It's a no brainer really.
Fergenaprido wrote: ↑February 24th, 2020, 8:15 am
[When I found this out, it made me question the compilation and weighting process of TSPDT. Given that there are thousands of lists included, the fact that a film showing up on a single list is enough to make the top 2000 out of a starting list of ... 14,000(?) is baffling and counterintuitive to me, unless I misunderstand the process.
My thoughts exactly. I'm quite saddened about this because I have been a fan of the site so long. Maybe some openness about the algorithm wouldn't be so bad...
I agree that the 1001-2000 list is not so strong, but this is just not true. Take Eniaios as an example: 3 S&S-2012 votes plus some minor mentions. 3 S&S-2012 votes means 3 recent all-time top 10s by reputed critics. That is not a mention in the appendix of a monothematic book written by John Doe (and you know sometimes this is enough to make a title official check ).
Fergenaprido wrote: ↑February 24th, 2020, 8:15 am
[When I found this out, it made me question the compilation and weighting process of TSPDT. Given that there are thousands of lists included, the fact that a film showing up on a single list is enough to make the top 2000 out of a starting list of ... 14,000(?) is baffling and counterintuitive to me, unless I misunderstand the process.
My thoughts exactly. I'm quite saddened about this because I have been a fan of the site so long. Maybe some openness about the algorithm wouldn't be so bad...
I agree that the 1001-2000 list is not so strong, but this is just not true. Take Eniaios as an example: 3 S&S-2012 votes plus some minor mentions. 3 S&S-2012 votes means 3 recent all-time top 10s by reputed critics. That is not a mention in the appendix of a monothematic book written by John Doe (and you know sometimes this is enough to make a title official check ).
Thanks for clarifying Angel. Are the S&S ballots treated as individual lists for TSPDT, or is the 2012 results lists encompassing them all? I was not aware that there were other mentions of Eniaios outside of S&S, so that's good to know.
Fergenaprido wrote: ↑February 25th, 2020, 6:47 am
Are the S&S ballots treated as individual lists for TSPDT, or is the 2012 results lists encompassing them all?
As far as I know lists like "S&S Top Greatest Films of All Time" have no weight in formulas, because all individual ballots have been compiled and weighed according to the voter and the date. They are just information,
dirty_score wrote: ↑February 24th, 2020, 12:00 pm
Stop with the madness! It shouldn't be adopted, we don't need more 1000 movies list. What's next, TSZDT 1001-2000 ?
This idea of more 1000 movies lists is becoming tiresome. We should focus more on small but compelling lists and I believe there's so much to choose from.
After seeing "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes" last night, I'm just seven films away from an epic "Gold" award for the TSPDT list. But...the update is coming shortly. I freshly realized that a favorable update could push me over 90% and entirely rob me of my cathartic moment of glory.
So these are the ultimate best films of the decade: Spoiler
Mh yep, does look TSPish, not like IMDb or Reddit.
Interesting how the newest film to lose rankings is Avatar (2009) and also only by a little. Even 00s film mostly climbed or almost stayed. Skewed list, now?
tourdesb wrote: ↑January 26th, 2021, 11:45 pm
Seems like I'll keep my platinum.
Is it me or 1001-2000 are gone ? Or maybe this page will be added later.
The page mentioned that there's now a full ranking of all the films (in a downloadable spreadsheet), so that seems to have replaced the 1001-2000 page.
Really happy to see Superman fall, but at the same time devastated the bastard took La Commune with him when he jumped off the planet. The Goddess is another sad loss.
Don't mind any of the entrants, though only The Master is a personal favourite.