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joachimt wrote: January 17th, 2020, 12:03 pm PA, can you update the list?
Yeah, I'll do it soonish.

Done. 1001-2000 will take a bit longer. But I'll definitely get it done by the end of the day.
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Thanks for the quick update PA!

La Commune is back, and Diary went further in. I need to start working one some more of these super long ones :(
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Traveller wrote: January 21st, 2019, 2:07 pm Based on a quick glance, I think I'm now 26 films away from completing the list, which I might be able to do this year - for the first time.
Well... I didn't (999/1001). Down 5 more now, but I'll finish it this year.
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72aicm wrote: January 17th, 2020, 1:38 pm Remember to ask for a Ain't Nobody's Blues But My Own update. :)
Also Brief Encounters? :whistling:
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tourdesb wrote: January 17th, 2020, 9:20 am New version of TSPDT 1000 List is online.

Went from 1 unseen to 2 this year :
- Iracema - Uma Transa Amazônica (1975)
- Diary (1983)
Oh FFS, didn't watch Diary betting that it would drop off. :D
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Oh god, "Superman" is back. :)

But it's nice to see "Blazing Saddles" enter. Always thought that was an oversight.
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"In the Mood for Love" rose AGAIN? The world is on drugs.
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Just Iracema to recomplete. Seems doable
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Big jumps for Beau Travail, Raiders of the Lost Ark and The Piano in the upper echelon.

Huge up-jump for Cleo from 5 to 7. The Gleaners and I jumped too. GIGANTIC leap for Vagabond. Le Bonheur: +124. Varda's death obviously generated fresh interest. HUGE jump for Daisies too. And Uncle Boonmee Who Can Rake His Past Leaves. And our own beloved A Separation. And the eternally overrated Lost in Translation.

Un Chien Andalou passes L'Age d'Or.

The Shawshank Redemption dropped 20 slots. How delightful.

Cat People makes a giant jump upward.
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Melancholia and the classic Frankenstein leap up.

Orlando jumped too. Maybe female directors are being newly re-appraised.

The Terminator 2 jumps 79 slots. Oh well.

Raising Arizona also leaps.

The rank of Tale of Tales kinda baffles me, but it did drop 43 slots this time.

Wow, La Cienaga jumps 157 slots! I don't know much about this one, myself. And it's another female-directed film. The Headless Woman, same director: up 111.

And Harlan County, USA jumps 96 slots. Guess the director's gender.

The Ascent jumps 123 slots. Female. Directed.

An Angel at My Table: up 79 slots.

Near Dark: up 190 slots. I have zero interest in seeing this. And Point Break enters at #846.

D'est: up 99 slots. News from Home: +100. Boy, the evidence just keeps piling up.

Shirley Clarke's Portrait of Jason ENTERS at #768. The Goddess enters at #783. Haven't seen it, but it may be centered on a woman. Fat Girl squeaks in at #1000.

Riefenstahl's Olympia up 45 slots.

Thelma & Louise dropped 53. Women's film, male director.

The Ladies Man is up 102. I guess people saw the word "Ladies" and jumped to a wrong conclusion. ;)

Amour jumps 103 slots, even though it's saddled with a male helmer. And Dumbo jumps 97? What, because of the remake?

Night of the Demon: up 117. The Adventures of Robin Hood: +101.

Thank god Ferris Bueller dropped 68. Only about 250 to go, and then it can drop off altogether. And The Princess Bride is down 59. Hope this is a trend. And The Breakfast Club is down 68! Now we're talking!

A lot more people (not including me) caught up with Once Upon a Time in Anatolia. Up 95 slots.

Now there are TWO "Thing" movies on the list.

Highest debut: Holy Motors at #619.
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Lost about 3 or 4 checks, which is a shame because I was very close to bronze.
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Ebbywebby wrote: January 17th, 2020, 7:45 pm [...]
Orlando jumped too. Maybe female directors are being newly re-appraised.
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The biggest influence clearly came from BBC Culture's exhaustive poll to find the best films from female filmmakers. Female-directed films have therefore received a long-deserved major boost within the 1,000 Greatest Films

http://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000.htm
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Went from one unseen (Diary) to 5, the 4 new entries being:

Portrait of Jason
Sherman's March
Saraband
Aguaespejo granadino (Short)
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Dropoffs

Donnie Darko 2001
The Return 2003
The Godfather, Part III 1990
Malcolm X 1992
The Verdict 1982
Broadway Danny Rose 1984
Bob le Flambeur 1955
Louisiana Story 1948
The Ten Commandments 1956
Finding Nemo 2003
El Topo 1970
A Man for All Seasons 1966
Midnight Run 1988
Angel 1937
Elephant 1989
Une Femme est une Femme 1961
The Ice Storm 1997
Dreams 1990
Exotica 1994
L'Arrivée d'un Train a la Clotat 1895
The Unknown 1927
The Straight Story 1999
The Tarnished Angels 1957
Ceddo 1976
From the Clouds to the Resistance 1979
Mothlight 1963
Lone Star 1995
Beyond the Valley of the Dolls 1970
A Nous la Liberté 1931
The Nightmare Before Christmas 1993
Oedipus Rex 1967
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Summary of some above "real-time" reactions.

Beau Travail (Claire Denis): +36 slots
The Piano (Jane Campion): +38
An Angel at My Table (Campion): +79
Cleo from 5 to 7 (Agnes Varda): +84
The Gleaners and I (Varda): +56
Vagabond (Varda): +194
Le Bonheur (Varda): +124
Daisies (Vera Chytilova): +102
Lost in Translation (Sofia Coppola): +70 (bleh)
Orlando (Sally Potter): +89
La Cienaga (Lucrecia Martel): +157
The Headless Woman (Martel): +111
Harlan County, USA (Barbara Koppel): +96
The Ascent (Larisa Shepitko): +123
Olympia (Leni Riefenstahl): +45
D'est (Chantal Akerman): +99
News from Home (Akerman): +100
Near Dark (Kathryn Bigelow): +190
Point Break (Bigelow): NEW ON LIST at #846
Portrait of Jason (Shirley Clarke): NEW ON LIST at #768
Fat Girl (Catherine Breillat): NEW ON LIST at #1000

I lost one check, because I've seen 23 of the 31 new adds but 24 of the dropoffs.
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1001-2000 updated on ICM. Interesting to note that none of the films 1001-1010 have been on the main list before.
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Thanks for updating PeacefulAnarchy. Mixed bag of changes. I’ve gone from complete to 4 to see, so very do-able.
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PeacefulAnarchy wrote: January 18th, 2020, 6:41 am 1001-2000 updated on ICM. Interesting to note that none of the films 1001-1010 have been on the main list before.
It shows only 999 films in that list, so looks like one is missing.


Also, looking at some of the films new to the Top 2000, we could have a few that break through to the main list next year if they maintain momentum:
1009 Boyhood (2014)
1016 Toni Erdmann (2016)
1018 Stories We Tell (2012)
1026 The Master (2012)
1056 Inside Llewyn Davis (2013)
1098 Moonlight (2016)
1109 La vie d'Adèle (2013)
1126 Weekend (2011)
1178 A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984)
1222 American Psycho (2000)

All of these except the last one entered the list above at least 1 of the 31 films that dropped off the main list. There are more further down that probably have a good chance next year if many more 2010s decade lists get incorporated (Grand Budapest, Wolf of Wall Street, Meek's Cutoff, Horse Money...).
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Fergenaprido wrote: January 18th, 2020, 9:42 am
PeacefulAnarchy wrote: January 18th, 2020, 6:41 am 1001-2000 updated on ICM. Interesting to note that none of the films 1001-1010 have been on the main list before.
It shows only 999 films in that list, so looks like one is missing.
It’s in reality 1002-2000. The main list have 1001 entries.
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72aicm wrote: January 18th, 2020, 9:57 am
Fergenaprido wrote: January 18th, 2020, 9:42 am
PeacefulAnarchy wrote: January 18th, 2020, 6:41 am 1001-2000 updated on ICM. Interesting to note that none of the films 1001-1010 have been on the main list before.
It shows only 999 films in that list, so looks like one is missing.
It’s in reality 1002-2000. The main list have 1001 entries.
Really? But the source list has only 1000 titles.
Film 1000 on the source is film 1001 on icm (À ma soeur/Fat Girl), with the discrepancy caused by Olympia being considered 1 film on TSPDT but 2 films on ICM.

Film 2000 on the source is film 2000 on icm (Moonrise), which means that something has been missed.
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Fergenaprido wrote: January 18th, 2020, 11:14 am
72aicm wrote: January 18th, 2020, 9:57 am
Fergenaprido wrote: January 18th, 2020, 9:42 am It shows only 999 films in that list, so looks like one is missing.
It’s in reality 1002-2000. The main list have 1001 entries.
Really? But the source list has only 1000 titles.
Film 1000 on the source is film 1001 on icm (À ma soeur/Fat Girl), with the discrepancy caused by Olympia being considered 1 film on TSPDT but 2 films on ICM.

Film 2000 on the source is film 2000 on icm (Moonrise), which means that something has been missed.
Found it. Discovered that TSPDT lets you download an excel sheet of the 1001-2000 films.

The missing film appears to be #1830 Eniaios (1990). Looks like it's this film on ICM: https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/eniaios/ even though the year is wrong.
Summary from imdb: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10923778/ "An 80-hour experimental film being printed and shown in cycles every four years at a remote location in Greece."
"Trivia: Voted by 3 critics in Sight & Sound's Greatest Films of All Time 2012 poll."
Should be between Bad Day at Black Rock and My Way Home.
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Fergenaprido wrote: January 18th, 2020, 11:14 am
72aicm wrote: January 18th, 2020, 9:57 am
Fergenaprido wrote: January 18th, 2020, 9:42 am It shows only 999 films in that list, so looks like one is missing.
It’s in reality 1002-2000. The main list have 1001 entries.
Really? But the source list has only 1000 titles.
Film 1000 on the source is film 1001 on icm (À ma soeur/Fat Girl), with the discrepancy caused by Olympia being considered 1 film on TSPDT but 2 films on ICM.

Film 2000 on the source is film 2000 on icm (Moonrise), which means that something has been missed.
Ah, okey. My bad.
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It seems that this new version is heavily influenced by BBC's poll of films directed by women. Other interesting observations are that several of the new entrants are either 21st century films (but only two from 2010s) and documentaries.

Pleased to see the return of The Goddess and A Better Tomorrow. Point Break and Paper Moon are nice addition. Hate to see Fat Girl though.
And while I am not a fan of African cinema, it's sad to see Ceddo drops out of top 1000 and Cairo Station is ranking at 988 now. I guess African films can only gain votes from the next Sight and Sound.

A bunch of films sitting between 1001-1100 are of 2010s. I can see most of them entering top 1000 next year with the incoporation of more end-of-the-decade lists.
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Fergenaprido wrote: January 18th, 2020, 11:21 am
Fergenaprido wrote: January 18th, 2020, 11:14 am
72aicm wrote: January 18th, 2020, 9:57 am
It’s in reality 1002-2000. The main list have 1001 entries.
Really? But the source list has only 1000 titles.
Film 1000 on the source is film 1001 on icm (À ma soeur/Fat Girl), with the discrepancy caused by Olympia being considered 1 film on TSPDT but 2 films on ICM.

Film 2000 on the source is film 2000 on icm (Moonrise), which means that something has been missed.
Found it.
Yes, we don't talk about that thing.

Edit: Fuck someone finally put it on imdb? Fine I'll fix it then.
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PeacefulAnarchy wrote: January 18th, 2020, 4:41 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: January 18th, 2020, 11:21 am
Fergenaprido wrote: January 18th, 2020, 11:14 am Really? But the source list has only 1000 titles.
Film 1000 on the source is film 1001 on icm (À ma soeur/Fat Girl), with the discrepancy caused by Olympia being considered 1 film on TSPDT but 2 films on ICM.

Film 2000 on the source is film 2000 on icm (Moonrise), which means that something has been missed.
Found it.
Yes, we don't talk about that thing.

Edit: Fuck someone finally put it on imdb? Fine I'll fix it then.
Well so much for finishing that list.
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zuma wrote: January 18th, 2020, 5:38 pm
PeacefulAnarchy wrote: January 18th, 2020, 4:41 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: January 18th, 2020, 11:21 am Found it.
Yes, we don't talk about that thing.

Edit: Fuck someone finally put it on imdb? Fine I'll fix it then.
Well so much for finishing that list.
It's been dropping pretty steadily, so it may be gone next year, certainly the next as long as those people don't vote for it again in the next S&S poll.
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PeacefulAnarchy wrote: January 18th, 2020, 5:42 pm
zuma wrote: January 18th, 2020, 5:38 pm
PeacefulAnarchy wrote: January 18th, 2020, 4:41 pm
Yes, we don't talk about that thing.

Edit: Fuck someone finally put it on imdb? Fine I'll fix it then.
Well so much for finishing that list.
It's been dropping pretty steadily, so it may be gone next year, certainly the next as long as those people don't vote for it again in the next S&S poll.
Is there a way to see which component lists a film appears on for TSPDT? Based on the imdb trivia comment, I'm hoping it doesn't appear in the Top 2000 simply because of 3 votes in the most recent S&S poll.
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Yes, it's almost certainly solely based on those 3 S&S votes. (maybe there's some other misc vote for it somewhere, I haven't combed through the lists in a long time, but the S&S votes are the reason for its placement). I don't even think that's unfair, 3 S&S votes is a higher bar than it seems. It's the S&S votes themselves that I have an issue with.

I think the companion pdf that shows sources is only for the top 1000.
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zhangalan wrote: January 18th, 2020, 2:23 pm It seems that this new version is heavily influenced by BBC's poll of films directed by women.
Oh, I didn't notice until just now that the poll's intro on the site explicitly mentions this poll. The female-director motif just popped out at me independently.
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zuma wrote: January 18th, 2020, 5:38 pm
PeacefulAnarchy wrote: January 18th, 2020, 4:41 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: January 18th, 2020, 11:21 am Found it.
Yes, we don't talk about that thing.

Edit: Fuck someone finally put it on imdb? Fine I'll fix it then.
Well so much for finishing that list.
We should make the list official. Good cheetah catcher. :whistling:
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Iracema and Saraband only to see for me.
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Interesting update, especially with the extra weight given to the female directors poll movies.
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All editions list is updated as well:
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/they ... /joachimt/
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dirty_score wrote: January 17th, 2020, 5:37 pm
72aicm wrote: January 17th, 2020, 1:38 pm Remember to ask for a Ain't Nobody's Blues But My Own update. :)
Also Brief Encounters? :whistling:
I just sent an email to Bill. We'll see......
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2020 edition of the 21st century list is up now: http://www.theyshootpictures.com/21stcentury.htm
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GruesomeTwosome wrote: February 21st, 2020, 11:33 pm 2020 edition of the 21st century list is up now: http://www.theyshootpictures.com/21stcentury.htm
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