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I was friends with SeanMX on facebook for a while (removed him when I did some purging on my friends list. We never talked to each other). I think I remember him straight up saying that he doesn't really watch movies anymore.
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Ettinauer226XL on Oct 12 2015, 06:24:03 PM wrote:I was friends with SeanMX on facebook for a while (removed him when I did some purging on my friends list. We never talked to each other). I think I remember him straight up saying that he doesn't really watch movies anymore.
He seems to still be checking films regularly.

I haven't watched a film since June. :satstunned:
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Now that's just sad...
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AdamH on Oct 12 2015, 06:18:59 PM wrote:
Kasparius on Oct 12 2015, 04:08:00 PM wrote:
Ettinauer226XL on Oct 12 2015, 04:04:13 PM wrote:Did my time machine work? It feels like I'm in late 2011 early 2012 again. No sign of Pain, George Bailey and St. Gloede though.
I miss Pain.
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I miss Pain as well. Only one post in the last two years (to submit his list for 500<400 in 2014). Doubt he'll be back but you never know.

Talking about old posters, I wonder what happened to SeanMX.
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AdamH on Oct 12 2015, 06:26:24 PM wrote:
Ettinauer226XL on Oct 12 2015, 06:24:03 PM wrote:I was friends with SeanMX on facebook for a while (removed him when I did some purging on my friends list. We never talked to each other). I think I remember him straight up saying that he doesn't really watch movies anymore.
He seems to still be checking films regularly.

I haven't watched a film since June. :satstunned:
I write all the feature films I watch in doc format like this:

January
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) Stanley Kubrick
Mean Streets (1973) Martin Scorsese

In 2013, I filled up 13 pages. In 2014, three pages, and so far for 2015, a page and a half.
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Kasparius on Oct 12 2015, 06:58:25 PM wrote:In 2013, I filled up 13 pages. In 2014, three pages, and so far for 2015, a page and a half.
Roughly how many features are that? And, more important: how many of them are part of the Box Office list?
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Kasparius on Oct 12 2015, 06:58:25 PM wrote:
AdamH on Oct 12 2015, 06:26:24 PM wrote:
Ettinauer226XL on Oct 12 2015, 06:24:03 PM wrote:I was friends with SeanMX on facebook for a while (removed him when I did some purging on my friends list. We never talked to each other). I think I remember him straight up saying that he doesn't really watch movies anymore.
He seems to still be checking films regularly.

I haven't watched a film since June. :satstunned:
I write all the feature films I watch in doc format like this:

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2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) Stanley Kubrick
Mean Streets (1973) Martin Scorsese

In 2013, I filled up 13 pages. In 2014, three pages, and so far for 2015, a page and a half.
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:( And technically watching movies is homework now...
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mightysparks on Oct 12 2015, 07:23:39 PM wrote::( And technically watching movies is homework now...
That's probably why you lost your interest :lol:
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Torgo on Oct 12 2015, 07:18:41 PM wrote:
Kasparius on Oct 12 2015, 06:58:25 PM wrote:In 2013, I filled up 13 pages. In 2014, three pages, and so far for 2015, a page and a half.
Roughly how many features are that? And, more important: how many of them are part of the Box Office list?
44 a page, and not many are part of the box office list. I kind of gave up on that one years ago.
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AdamH on Oct 12 2015, 06:26:24 PM wrote:I haven't watched a film since June. :satstunned:
More importantly, have you watched any anime since June? Did you start Future Boy Conan yet?

To hopefully inspire you to watch more films, here are some recommendations from your 10 best friends:
Adam's friends' 50<400 (unchecked by Adam)
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mjf314 on Oct 12 2015, 08:13:59 PM wrote:To hopefully inspire you to watch more films, here are some recommendations from your 10 best friends:
Oooo, can you do mine?
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frbrown on Oct 12 2015, 09:07:31 PM wrote:
mjf314 on Oct 12 2015, 08:13:59 PM wrote:To hopefully inspire you to watch more films, here are some recommendations from your 10 best friends:
Oooo, can you do mine?
Ok, but this is the last one. If anyone else wants it, they can do it on their own (if anyone wants me to upload all of the lists, let me know).
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Five Dedicated to Ozu, hell yes!
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Kasparius on Oct 12 2015, 10:14:33 PM wrote:Five Dedicated to Ozu, hell yes!
Only 3 of frbrown's 10 friends voted for it, but they all ranked it highly.

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I think FrBrown doesn't like Ozu (shame on him), but it's not really like an Ozu film at all.
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Kasparius on Oct 12 2015, 10:27:46 PM wrote:I think FrBrown doesn't like Ozu (shame on him), but it's not really like an Ozu film at all.
I thought mighty was the only person in the world who didn't like Ozu (because of her bizarre taste in smiles).

What does frbrown not like about Ozu?
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I don't like Ozu much either. I find his directing style uncomfortably stiff and predictable. And repeated stories about generational tensions aren't especially fascinating to me.
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mjf314 on Oct 12 2015, 10:39:21 PM wrote:
Kasparius on Oct 12 2015, 10:27:46 PM wrote:I think FrBrown doesn't like Ozu (shame on him), but it's not really like an Ozu film at all.
I thought mighty was the only person in the world who didn't like Ozu (because of her bizarre taste in smiles).

What does frbrown not like about Ozu?
I like Kiarostami :shrug:

As for Ozu, hard to say. I guess I find him too low key, both visually and emotionally. My favourite Ozu, I Was Born, but..., is unusually dramatic for him.

Thanks for making the list, mjf.
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frbrown on Oct 13 2015, 12:35:16 AM wrote:
mjf314 on Oct 12 2015, 10:39:21 PM wrote:
Kasparius on Oct 12 2015, 10:27:46 PM wrote:I think FrBrown doesn't like Ozu (shame on him), but it's not really like an Ozu film at all.
I thought mighty was the only person in the world who didn't like Ozu (because of her bizarre taste in smiles).

What does frbrown not like about Ozu?
I like Kiarostami :shrug:

As for Ozu, hard to say. I guess I find him too low key, both visually and emotionally. My favourite Ozu, I Was Born, but..., is unusually dramatic for him.

Thanks for making the list, mjf.
You might like Tokyo Twilight. That one is also kind of dramatic.

What do you think of Naruse? Do you like him more than Ozu? He's similar to Ozu in some ways but also kind of different (I'm not sure how to explain it).
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AdamH on Oct 12 2015, 06:26:24 PM wrote:I haven't watched a film since June. :satstunned:
Pretty weird behavior for the admin of a film forum. :huh:
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mjf314 on Oct 13 2015, 12:55:20 AM wrote:What do you think of Naruse?
Pretty much the same, except I still haven't seen anything by Naruse as good as I Was Born, but... and There Was a Father. I've only seen 4 films by Naruse, around 10 by Ozu.
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Lammetje on Oct 12 2015, 03:49:27 PM wrote:Looks like Dimitris is mad again. At least he's not tarding up a results thread this time. :happy:
Mad, is how we are when we're bullied by a pseudo intellectual troll like Kas. Arguments are always part of a forum but some have just forget to apply for himself what they ask to others, like the condescending tone. Some times when you disagree, you just have to leave because you already know what's the other point. But most of time on the forum, Kas is in full freedom to bully others. He's like someone inviting friends for his birthday in a restaurant, then arguing with the same people, and the next year, asking why St Gloede the old fellow of the cindergarten missing, or Sean, or Pain. He also bullies all friend's wifes for being... stupid, Greek or just wife, and then he's relieved the next year when these wifes missing but he's still asking why the husbands missing... He should like a lot his new avatar, it fits perfectly with his behavior. Members will keep being mad, because the Lord of Trolls keep thinking that's it's every day his birthday.
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mightysparks on Oct 12 2015, 07:23:39 PM wrote:Image

:( And technically watching movies is homework now...
But still you are able to watch 59 movies in the first 12 days of the horror-challenge. Most 'normal' people would call this a huge number of movies to watch in such a short time.
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joachimt on Oct 13 2015, 02:43:02 AM wrote:
mightysparks on Oct 12 2015, 07:23:39 PM wrote:Image

:( And technically watching movies is homework now...
But still you are able to watch 59 movies in the first 12 days of the horror-challenge. Most 'normal' people would call this a huge number of movies to watch in such a short time.
Yeah but 1) the challenge started during my term break which is why I can only get 1-2 on weekdays now, and 2) work is very slow in October.
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IMDb also has this list: http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegross
Which is domestic gross over $100mm, and has 629 films... so that's not any better.
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joachimt on Oct 13 2015, 01:03:32 AM wrote:
AdamH on Oct 12 2015, 06:26:24 PM wrote:I haven't watched a film since June. :satstunned:
Pretty weird behavior for the admin of a film forum. :huh:
I finally watched another film. I watched Dumb and Dumber To at my uncle's house. A good film to put me off film-watching for another few months. :satstunned: I really like the original. To say the sequel had a plot would be very generous.

I've often gone through phases of watching lots of films and then watching not many it's just that the latter phase has lasted much longer than normal this time. I was on holiday for a couple of weeks in July and then another week shortly after that and I've been working regularly since early August so I'm finding myself more interested in relaxing with TV than watching films. I'm watching quite a bit of TV at the moment when I have some free time. Lots of TV programmes for me to catch up on. I haven't given up on films, obviously, but I'm not in the mood for them at the moment. Right now, I'm in the middle of working ten days-in-a-row and I'd really rather sit back and watch some TV prorammes for now. I'm sure that will change at some point.

I haven't even been posting on here very much either compared to normal. Working full-time kind of changes how I manage my time and obviously not watching many films doesn't help what I have to post about.
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mjf314 on Oct 12 2015, 08:13:59 PM wrote:
AdamH on Oct 12 2015, 06:26:24 PM wrote:I haven't watched a film since June. :satstunned:
More importantly, have you watched any anime since June? Did you start Future Boy Conan yet?

To hopefully inspire you to watch more films, here are some recommendations from your 10 best friends:
Adam's friends' 50<400 (unchecked by Adam)
I haven't watched any anime, no. I do plan to watch Future Boy Conan at some point but I want to finish the other TV programmes that I'm in the middle of watching first. I want to get them all done and then I'll start some new ones. It's high in my watchlist after I finish the current ones.

I'd also like to work on some more anime films at some point (not right now). I remember you posting a list one time of anime films you think I'd like and I'll give them a shot eventually.
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mjf314 wrote: September 2nd, 2015, 7:57 pm
Lonewolf2003 on Sep 2 2015, 01:54:54 PM wrote:The answers are a bit misleading, now it could seem like TSZDT will only get adopted when the imdb board one gets unadopted. Which is not the case as far as I know.
I just changed it from "only if" to "only when." Maybe that's more clear. If it's replaced by TSZDT, then the European horror list will (probably) still be adopted in the future.
And thus, it was foreshadowed
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mjf314 wrote: September 2nd, 2015, 7:35 pm Which official lists deserve their official status? Which ones don't?

We don't currently have any plans to unadopt lists (so if you see your favorite list show up in a poll, don't get too worried). This thread is just to satisfy my curiosity.

In the polls, if you vote "It should be unadopted," other lists of the same type can still potentially get adopted, but not necessarily at the same time.

Anthology Film Archives
Total Film's 50 Amazing Films You've Probably Never Seen
I would also add Leonard Maltin's 100 Must-See Films of the 20th Century. One of the older lists and if it was relevant back then, nowadays is just filler... 90% of the movies are in more than 10 lists and the 10% rest is in more than 5. It would harm noone in becoming unoficial.
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Definitely one of the least sparkling lists on the site. I think it's good to have entry lists, more beginner-friendly; and for that, we have good examples like the AFI 100 Movies, Taschen 100, Cahiers 100, Empire 100 and of course the IMDb Top 250. I won't judge if the Leo list does anything better or worse than the others (or Harvard, BFI 365 et al), but I can't picture many users going for this list exactly: "either it's LM, or it's nothing!"
Wouldn't bother me if it stays official, wouldn't hurt to see it leave.
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Whoa! I do not want to see the Anthology Film Archive become unofficial. That's bogus. By far one of the best lists on the site. We need more avant-garde and experimental film, not less!

I also like the Maltin list. I don't think the lack of unique checks is a big deal. It matters because Maltin matters.
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Well, if he matters, perhaps a replacement by the same author that provide new variety: Leonard Maltin's 151 Best Movies You've Never Seen
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dirty_score wrote: March 4th, 2021, 9:11 pm Well, if he matters, perhaps a replacement by the same author that provide new variety: Leonard Maltin's 151 Best Movies You've Never Seen
I can only speak for myself but that just feels like a weird list. There's a solid handful on there that are fairly widely seen, to the point where being on such a list is strange. There are more than a few that I can either say with confidence are not good or if I haven't seen them I know they were pretty well trashed on release, so while Maltin may have liked them it is unlikely that too many will agree with him. (American Dreamz, Mad Money, and How to Lose Friends and Alienate People spring to mind immediately)

To be fair, there are some excellent films there, including some that I'd love to see get their first check (Nothing But the Truth, Brodre, The Matador, The Door in the Floor, The Painted Veil) and a few more that I do think fit his definition very well despite already having a check or two (The Dead Girl, 7 Men From Now, Matewan, Chop Shop) so I think there are excellent things there. Just a strange list for me.
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I'm probably more nostalgic and care more about the history of film criticism than most people here, and there's no question that Leonard Maltin is an important figure as an entryway to film for people in my generation - second only to or perhaps tied with Roger Ebert - at least in the USA. But the list (the one that's currently official, not the "best you've never seen") is entirely superseded by so many others today, and I have to agree with dirty_score. I don't recall ever having actually looked at the list until just now, and that's because I had seen every film on it several years before I joined the forum. Maybe I glanced at it once or twice a decade ago, when there weren't so many lists and I still had a couple left to see, I dunno. But as mentioned, it's quite superfluous, with all the AFI lists covering the same ground and more and their "100 Movies" being just as good as a starter list for the neophytes. I certainly do think we need a starter list, maybe even two, but I think there's more than enough now - you could also think of the top 100 of TSP as a starter list for that matter, and one that's more international than Maltin.

Haven't looked closely at the replacement list dirty mentions but once glance shows me that I haven't seen that many from it (good), and that most that I haven't seen don't terribly appetizing (not so good). Strikes me as a list of films not well-known enough or critically acclaimed enough to be on most people's radar, but also not distinctive enough to make, say, a cult or weird list or most big genre lists.
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Well, the way I see it, there aren't perfect lists. That list is quite strange and full of trash, yes. But a man's trash may be someone else's treasure. I mean, the weird list has bad movies, the bad movies list has bad movies, the zombie list has bad movies and yet, among them, there are several good to decent movies including little gems. And one of the charms about ICM is to discover such things.

Unless you have some sort of obsession, you don't have to platinum a list. Pick the ones you feel like you want to watch. I've only seen 3 from that buzzfeed like list of Total Film and I'm fine with it. I'm not a fan of bad movies (33/228) but I've been having some fun picking the few ones I want to see from said list.

I still firmly believe that Maltin's list is just filler now, the Total Film is your dime-a-dozen list that anyone can make on the internet and the Anthology could be replaced with a proper experimental list. To my understanding, the Anthology would look much better if they streamlined the movie list to just one per director (that would make 91 titles, a nice introductory list to newbies).

Anyway, just my two cents.
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In regards to the Anthology, I think that's completely bogus. How is it not a "proper experimental list?" Why does it have to be for newbies, and why should it be streamlined? What's wrong with a huge collection of avant-garde cinema, one which holds great historical significance? This is also unfair to those of us who have been working hard on completing it. Nobody has apparently discussed this in years. I don't know why you're suddenly trying to dismantle possibly the best list on the site.
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dirty_score wrote: March 5th, 2021, 11:58 am Unless you have some sort of obsession
Yep. That's ICMf. :whistling:

As for the Anthology list:

Number of favorites: 0/191 (0.00%)
Number of dislikes: 106/191 (55.50%)

My numbers for that list are quite bad, but it's a pretty unique list.

Unique officials: 332/542 (61.25%)

I consider that to be a big plus.
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kongs_speech wrote: March 5th, 2021, 2:29 pm In regards to the Anthology, I think that's completely bogus. How is it not a "proper experimental list?" Why does it have to be for newbies, and why should it be streamlined? What's wrong with a huge collection of avant-garde cinema, one which holds great historical significance? This is also unfair to those of us who have been working hard on completing it.
I like the list overall but in French we would say that it "cultive l'entre-soi" (literally cultivates the fact of keeping among themselves), meaning that it has been made by a small group of people, for a small group of people and to promote very few films outside this circle.
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The only thing that bothers me about that list is in the introduction: the series provides an uncompromising critical overview of cinema’s history.

I mean ... :turned:
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I think to dismantle or remove official status from the list would be to take a shit on the legacy of the Archive and the great experimental artists who founded it. If we're streamlining shit and trying to make lists shorter, why not limit UNESCO to one film per country? TSPDT top 1000? That's a lot, I'm sure 50 is fine. 366 weird movies? Let's just make it 66.
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