Which official lists shouldn't be official?

[Dimitris Psachos Springer]

Based on these stats, the films on the box office list are not very popular among iCM users (compared to the films on other lists), which makes me wonder, why do so many iCM users favorite the list?

Maybe they enjoy a list of popular mainstream movies to have fun with. That's how I use this list once in a while, if I want a movie to watch with my wife. For that reason I value the list, but the chance of me favoriting a movie on it is very small.

Do you really want to watch a film like The Last Airbender with your wife? Aren't there better mainstream lists? Take a look at this page. It's as mainstream as the box office list but not quite as trashy.

Do you ever watch non-English-language films with your wife? There are mainstream ones that she would like, but they don't often show up on the box office list.

Last Airbender's tolerable. The Chipmunk trilogy is reason enough to commit you-know-what

I can accept "mainstream" selections but it's insulting to say that...the Crocodile Dundee dualogy is good mainstream or worse, "have fun with" just because it garnered a lot of cash from deluded masses, flocking aimlessly at theatres to offer part of their salaries to private big-bucks. If mainstream fun is the primary reason to keep this list official, it's a lousy reason objectively speaking.

[joachimt]

Do you ever watch non-English-language films with your wife? There are mainstream ones that she would like, but they don't often show up on the box office list.

Yes. I didn't say I only pick movies from the box-office list to watch with my wife. I use other sources as well, for example our own list from this decade.

[Kasparius]

There are way worse lists than the ones you mentioned. FOk, Reddit, movie 101, etc...

[Jay Mars]

I can accept "mainstream" selections but it's insulting to say that...the Crocodile Dundee dualogy is good mainstream or worse, "have fun with" just because it garnered a lot of cash from deluded masses, flocking aimlessly at theatres to offer part of their salaries to private big-bucks. If mainstream fun is the primary reason to keep this list official, it's a lousy reason objectively speaking.

So you start off saying you can accept mainstream selections (how magnanimous of you) but then you go on to denigrate mainstream fun. I don't know why a list of mainstream success is "objectively speaking" a lousy reason to keep the list official. I think you mean subjectively speaking. It's no more or less worthy than Cannes winners, critics choices, a list of bad b-movies, or our own lists that have become official. It's just one of many.

And to say people went to see Crocodile Dundee because they are "deluded masses" is the worst kind of snobbery. You and I may not like those movies, but plenty of people did. People enjoyed them and found them funny, and not because they were brainwashed into seeing them. I don't understand why their opinions and tastes don't matter on one lousy list on the site, but yours does.

And I still don't understand what your beef is with this list. Everyone here pretty much ignores it. Why is that so hard for you? Are you afraid someone who has seen the entire Roland Emmerich filmography and nothing by Chantal Ackerman will surpass you in the rankings?

[Kasparius]

And I still don't understand what your beef is with this list. Everyone here pretty much ignores it. Why is that so hard for you? Are you afraid someone who has seen the entire Roland Emmerich filmography and nothing by Chantal Ackerman will surpass you in the rankings?

This x 100.

[monty]

Let's not forget that mastery of the box office list demonstrates how superbly in tune with pop culture one is - at least that's gotta be a goal worth striving for?

[Onderhond]

As you can't bash the things you haven't seen (not if you want to be taken seriously at least), a decent score on the Box-office list seems like a normal goal for every film fan out there.
Also, I look forward more to watching Pixels than I look forward to my first Akerman. People like that exist.

[Torgo]

I recently had a flatrate for my local cineplex and among my 14 visits during the 3-week-period were gems like Pixels, Fantastic Four, Hitman: Agent 47, We Are Your Friends and Germany's very own Bottom 100 smasher Kartoffelsalat (which until now hold a #1 rank on it with an overall rating between 1.0 and 1.1 - no idea what happened there).

You know, it always made me smile to get back onto our forum then and read about how half of TSPDT is shit, that the IMDb Top 250 was basically full of mainstream trash and that lists like Reddit, Fok or Moviesense are at best just awful.


I also enjoyed getting to watch my share of <400 movies each evening even more.

[metaller]

My condolences for watching Kartoffelsalat. Is it recommendable in a so-bad-it's-good way? Even my little cousin, who watches those shitty youtubers regularly said that the film was total crap...

[Torgo]

Is it recommendable in a so-bad-it's-good way?

No.
Although I've definitely seen movies I hated more, like each and every single film by Friedberg & Seltzer - and you don't even get a Box Office check for those.

However, fear not: Fellow Youtube stars Die Lochis are coming with their first motion picture! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taDQ-8orzDo
Whoop whoop.

[jvv]

However, fear not: Fellow Youtube stars Die Lochis are coming with their first motion picture! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taDQ-8orzDo
Whoop whoop.

Looks like a big hit to me.

[bal3x]

Let's not forget that mastery of the box office list demonstrates how superbly in tune with pop culture one is - at least that's gotta be a goal worth striving for?

Actually even if I personally ignore the box-office list I don't think it should be removed since it gives a good indication as to what is popular these days...

[Dimitris Psachos Springer]

"And to say people went to see Crocodile Dundee because they are "deluded masses" is the worst kind of snobbery. You and I may not like those movies, but plenty of people did. People enjoyed them and found them funny, and not because they were brainwashed into seeing them. I don't understand why their opinions and tastes don't matter on one lousy list on the site, but yours does."

Well, people enjoy the Bible and Desert Flower, that doesn't mean they don't suck.

I didn't say it's THE worst. Whenever I'm commenting around here, certain individuals twist my words. I equally despise i.e. Reddit, Film Comedy, More Noirs and Badmovies.org, more so than TSZDT!

I still won't accept though this "limitless" as it seems (thus far) list which attempts to portray an array of pop culture examples, all because of a specific, financial checkpoint. That's a very lousy excuse of pop culture "promotion" from where I stand, coming from your petty group of "ignore it if you don't like it".

Some individuals had "issues" with particular choices (and don't try to hide your sentiments) during the IMDb voting bias, now all of a sudden, a batch of "free speech" losers don't mind the incessant upgrade of a popcorn list because I blatantly spoke against it.

What's wrong with popcorn?
Way too much of it standing next to salads and soups.

"People enjoyed them and found them funny, and not because they were brainwashed into seeing them."

The way they enjoy Judd Apatow movies? No brainwashing here too? Same thing with Michael Bay films? O-K....

[Kasparius]

People are also brainwashed into thinking Angelopolous has any form of talent. People are stupid.

[AdamH]

Dimitris has checked 612/614 on the all-time box office list. I wouldn't be sitting through hundreds of films in a list I claim to despise but each to his own.

[Pretentious Hipster]

People are also brainwashed into thinking Angelopolous has any form of talent. People are stupid.

[Dimitris Psachos Springer]

People are also brainwashed into thinking Angelopolous has any form of talent. People are stupid.

I could have mentioned the same about your precious jerk Godard but still, there's a difference between popcorn (Michael Bay) and peach (Godard).
No matter how some peaches might be sour (Elegy of Love), it's a lovely taste for the most part (Weekend) . That's how a cine-researcher should be. You on the other hand can indulge in your "measure to measure" sentiments and twist my comments like the wretched elitist you are.

By the way, just because I've seen many films from lists I despise (you can say that about Reddit and FOK too, another mister-irony in the forum, so many of you around here), doesn't mean I cannot criticize the reason of why certain lists are ludicrous as "official" checks. I suddenly realized i've almost seen half of TSZDT but I hadn't even cared to browse this list prior to its official status. Spare me your ironic crap.

[monty]

People are also brainwashed into thinking Angelopolous has any form of talent. People are stupid.

Session in progress:

Also, another random fashion tip for Art.

[Kasparius]

People are also brainwashed into thinking Angelopolous has any form of talent. People are stupid.

I could have mentioned the same about your precious jerk Godard but still, there's a difference between popcorn (Michael Bay) and peach (Godard).
No matter how some peaches might be sour (Elegy of Love), it's a lovely taste for the most part (. That's how a cine-researcher should be. You on the other hand can indulge in your "measure to measure" sentiments and twist my comments like the wretched elitist you are.

Frankly, I'm just giving you a taste of your own condescending medicine. My father likes Theo, and he's a vastly intelligent and interesting person, so I certainly don't believe that only brainwashed idiots like Angelopolous. The same way I don't believe a person who likes mainstream blockbuster is an idiot either. What you don't seem to realize (or perhaps more precisely, care to realize) is that the forum is composed of many different film buffs, including populists who like working on the list you dump your poison on.

[Dimitris Psachos Springer]

What you don't seem to realize (or perhaps more precisely, care to realize) is that the forum is composed of many different film buffs, including populists who like working on the list you dump your poison on.

You can't even properly spell a name, hence your argument is of zero significance.

See, I didn't really mind the inclusion of Bollywood, Hababam and Soviet comedies in the IMDb lists, I did respect the "populist" demand though of altering the IMDb codes or whatever that was in order to cease cheating (as much as possible) and I still don't mind the multi-variety of some Bollywood MAINSTREAM additions.

What's your fucking beef with my own contradiction?

[Lammetje]

Looks like Dimitris is mad again. At least he's not tarding up a results thread this time. :happy:

[Dimitris Psachos Springer]

Looks like Dimitris is mad again. At least he's not tarding up a results thread this time. :happy:

When crowds were roaring about the IMDb lists, I didn't notice those type of "oh look, he's angry" remarks. What a loving group of "forum members" this is indeed.

[Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi]

Dimitris has checked 612/614 on the all-time box office list. I wouldn't be sitting through hundreds of films in a list I claim to despise but each to his own.

Not taking a swipe at Dimitris, but it really is extraordinary to me that the person arguing so staunchly against this huge list (and against its hugeness itself) has also maintained a near platinum on that list.

[monty]

Looks like Dimitris is mad again. At least he's not tarding up a results thread this time. :happy:

When crowds were roaring about the IMDb lists, I didn't notice those type of "oh look, he's angry" remarks. What a loving group of "forum members" this is indeed.

Relax - take a breather, D.

[Kasparius]

What you don't seem to realize (or perhaps more precisely, care to realize) is that the forum is composed of many different film buffs, including populists who like working on the list you dump your poison on.

You can't even properly spell a name, hence your argument is of zero significance.

See, I didn't really mind the inclusion of Bollywood, Hababam and Soviet comedies in the IMDb lists, I did respect the "populist" demand though of altering the IMDb codes or whatever that was in order to cease cheating (as much as possible) and I still don't mind the multi-variety of some Bollywood MAINSTREAM additions.

What's your fucking beef with my own contradiction?

Because you can't be ok with some mainstream and not be ok with the other mainstream. Do you think Bollywood or Turkish mainstream is any less nefarious and mercenary than the United States mainstream? Then you are clearly naive. As a matter of fact I would argue that they are exponentially worse because their moral compass is repulsive. I've seen countless of those Bollywood films where the misogynistic, or sociopolitical agenda was utterly atrocious.

And my inability to spell a name makes my argument void? That doesn't sound like the summit of elitist retort to you? Plus if we're going to judge people on their grammar, or spelling, you are clearly at a disadvantage here.

[Pretentious Hipster]

Did my time machine work? It feels like I'm in late 2011 early 2012 again. No sign of Pain, George Bailey and St. Gloede though.

[Kasparius]

Did my time machine work? It feels like I'm in late 2011 early 2012 again. No sign of Pain, George Bailey and St. Gloede though.

I miss Pain.

[Dimitris Psachos Springer]

What you don't seem to realize (or perhaps more precisely, care to realize) is that the forum is composed of many different film buffs, including populists who like working on the list you dump your poison on.

You can't even properly spell a name, hence your argument is of zero significance.

See, I didn't really mind the inclusion of Bollywood, Hababam and Soviet comedies in the IMDb lists, I did respect the "populist" demand though of altering the IMDb codes or whatever that was in order to cease cheating (as much as possible) and I still don't mind the multi-variety of some Bollywood MAINSTREAM additions.

What's your fucking beef with my own contradiction?

Because you can't be ok with some mainstream and not be ok with the other mainstream. Do you think Bollywood or Turkish mainstream is any less nefarious and mercenary than the United States mainstream? Then you are clearly naive. As a matter of fact I would argue that they are exponentially worse because their moral compass is repulsive. I've seen countless of those Bollywood films where the misogynistic, or sociopolitical agenda was utterly atrocious.

And my inability to spell a name makes my argument void? That doesn't sound like the summit of elitist retort to you? Plus if we're going to judge people on their grammar, or spelling, you are clearly at a disadvantage here.

We're resorting to nationality attacks now based on faux presumptions on language "weaknesses", since you're unable to defend my smirk-within-a-smirk argument about your original hostility.

I seem to be mentioning stuff and events but the ones who are degrading me aren't bothering to read them, they instead insist on twisting what I said. You elitist nobody, I did say I respected individuals' "issues" about their discomfort with cheating, concerning IMDb lists. Even with those (agreeably, chauvinist) scarse additions, they're top 50 lists, not "top 614 and sky's the limit" lists, THAT'S my whole fucking point, sick know-it-all.

[Pretentious Hipster]

Did my time machine work? It feels like I'm in late 2011 early 2012 again. No sign of Pain, George Bailey and St. Gloede though.

I miss Pain.

I can fix that. I'll send you these

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I miss Pain too.

[Kasparius]

I seem to be mentioning stuff and events but the ones who are degrading me aren't bothering to read them, they instead insist on twisting what I said.

It's funny, because I'm convinced that's how most of the people on the forum feel when you reply to their posts.

Also once again you have this martyr complex about people not understanding you or disliking you, but here is the reality. You are disrespectful of other people's taste, and write long diatribes about specific lists, genres and movies that in your opinion are mainstream trash without any regards for other people's feelings.

See, I probably do the same thing, but I never wondered why people were pissed at me. I am self aware enough to know that I made my own bed. So quit your fucking whining. If you are going to be a dick, at least be a man about it.

[Pretentious Hipster]

Off topic but one of my followers had this post on tumblr and it is by far the most passive-aggressive movie related post I've ever seen, beyond anything in this forum. I was tempted to call him out but I decided to be nice and I just blocked him

Maybe i should start taking requests (as silly as it sounds to me), since most of my recents sets have like single digit notes on them. Not mainstream enough, not obscure enough, who knows. Or maybe i should just delete tumblr once and for all. And find a platform where i might be more appreciated. If it even exists.

[Dimitris Psachos Springer]

See, I probably do the same thing, but I never wondered why people were pissed at me. I am self aware enough to know that I made my own bed. So quit your fucking whining, if you are going to be a dick, at least be a man about it.

There's a difference between people raving against IMDb lists and somehow "agreeing" with each other like spoiled cry-babies and an individual who's all of a sudden the one who's "wrong" about the phoniness of a box office list.
Dick yourself all you want.

[monty]

So how do you like John Krish, Art?

[Pretentious Hipster]

So how do you like John Krish, Art?

His other docs seems like they're not interesting enough for me. I Think They Call Him John was just amazing and will hopefully rekindle my interest in movies which was ruined by The Legend of 1900.

An absolutely heartbreaking doc though. Kind of made me realize that I'll need to change myself soon or else my life could be like that 24/7. Basically it's about a retired widower and his life is pretty much like Jeanne Dielman's.

[Kasparius]

This reminds me, I hope people here have a good nest egg.

[monty]

@Art: You really should check out Krish's short Searching - should be right up your alley.
@kas: Meaning?

[Kasparius]

@Art: You really should check out Krish's short Searching - should be right up your alley.
@kas: Meaning?

Now that LCWhiner is gone, someone needs to make sure you guys are financially responsible.

[Pretentious Hipster]

I get sad every time LCW gets mentioned because I never had the pleasure of meeting this man. I'm sure he would have loved me.

[AdamH]

Dimitris has checked 612/614 on the all-time box office list. I wouldn't be sitting through hundreds of films in a list I claim to despise but each to his own.

Not taking a swipe at Dimitris, but it really is extraordinary to me that the person arguing so staunchly against this huge list (and against its hugeness itself) has also maintained a near platinum on that list.

Interested to hear why Dimitris continues to watch all of the films on the list.

[AdamH]

Did my time machine work? It feels like I'm in late 2011 early 2012 again. No sign of Pain, George Bailey and St. Gloede though.

I miss Pain.

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I miss Pain as well. Only one post in the last two years (to submit his list for 500<400 in 2014). Doubt he'll be back but you never know.

Talking about old posters, I wonder what happened to SeanMX.