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Amos Vogel's film as a subversive art list

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Serriform on Nov 26 2014, 09:34:40 PM wrote:anyone have the writeup from vogel about the bestiality one?
WHY
(HVORFOR GOER DE DET?)
(Phyllis and Eberhard Kronhausen, Denmark, 1971) (F)
The well-known sex researchers and proponents of
erotic freedom present a plea for sexual tolerance
in the form of a factual, non-moralistic portrayal
of unorthodox sex acts. Revealing yet unsensational
interviews with the protagonists are interspersed
with discussions with bored, fascinated, scared or
aroused Danish university students, who watch the
proceedings in a sports arena transformed into a sex
emporium by two exercise mattresses in its center.

The first episode involves a passionate and arousing
Negro-White lesbian episode. After a great deal of
athletic, obviously unstaged lovemaking on-camera,
the beautiful black girl discusses the relationship
in poignant detail; she regrets not having a penis,
so that they could have a baby and get married
("there is no point in being married without a penis").

The second episode features simultaneous copulation
by two married couples, who, in addition to their nude
lovemaking before the students, are also shown in their
petty-bourgeois homes. Surrounded by knick-knacks
and family portraits, they discuss whether they can reach
orgasm during their public performances and explain,
under the circumstances somewhat incongruously, their
distaste for group sex or acting in pornographic films.

The third episode involves the famous Danish girl-farmer
who loves her animals. We see her lying across the back of
a bull, vainly trying for arousal by masturbating him. While
flies settle on her legs, of which she remains unaware, she
plaintively explains that they may have to get a heifer "to get
him started". But she is luckier with her pet dog who after-
wards whines jealously throughout a lengthy sex act
between her and her boyfriend. The most romantic
sequence involves the mating of two horses ("you can't
do it with a stallion, he'd split you apart", she remarks
wistfully); the job done, the sudden plopping out of his
organ sends waves of shocked laughter through the
audience. We see her locket, with a picture of her dog;
we learn the various techniques of doing it with animals;
we discover in a curiously honest, simplistic interview
that her mother considered sex dirty; and perhaps
we do learn the tolerance the Kronhausens wish to feel.
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hmm thank you. among other things, seems really remiss of vogel to not address that the film might be interpreted as establishing an equivalence between acts of consenting adults and animal abuse. but I wouldn't watch the film... guess I hold myself to a higher standard than monty. ;)
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Serriform on Nov 26 2014, 09:45:44 PM wrote:... guess I hold myself to a higher standard than monty. ;)
I prefer not to read much - if anything - about films before I watch them. My rather traumatic experience with this Vogel made me re-evaluate the wisdom of that view. For anyone who considers working on Amos' list, please do read the write-up for each entry before deciding if you want to go ahead and watch it.
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An old comment on the list:
While this is still (probably) an obscure film, Nick MacDonald's Palestine has an imdb page. I have just added it to the database; can someone add it to the list?
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/palestine/
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Armoreska on Nov 13 2016, 01:44:11 PM wrote:An old comment on the list:
While this is still (probably) an obscure film, Nick MacDonald's Palestine has an imdb page. I have just added it to the database; can someone add it to the list?
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/palestine/
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Thanks for tracking it down, neffie.
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monty on Apr 20 2017, 03:07:37 AM wrote:Thanks for tracking it down, neffie.
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Strange how the music sounds so warped and wobbly, yet the narration is fine.
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Ebbywebby on Apr 20 2017, 08:44:51 PM wrote:Strange how the music sounds so warped and wobbly, yet the narration is fine.
The narration is also garbled as some points, most noticeably at the beginning. At parts I think the film jumps a few frames because the dialogue is a bit rough at a few parts.
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Valparaiso, Valparaiso was subbed!
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/forum.icmforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1434
and "Gordon" Liu Chia-Hui/Liu Chia-Liang and Yuen Woo-ping and "Sammo" Hung Kam-bo
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Armoreska on Sep 28 2017, 03:52:50 PM wrote:New short
Hiroshima: A Document of the Atomic Bombing
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/hir ... no+kiroru/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKqZYeErJfs
Nice find! Will watch soon.
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Armoreska on Sep 28 2017, 03:52:50 PM wrote:New short
Hiroshima: A Document of the Atomic Bombing
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/hir ... no+kiroru/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKqZYeErJfs
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hmm isnt "Love story" only mentioned, and in the negative way? well ill watch it anyway, it's on the box office list and the score is cool
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Subs for Geschichten vom Kübelkind are now available
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Please all watch this fresh Vogel short:
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/running+shadow/
We need to get it over 400 checks as soon as possible :P
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Curious how the only time farts are mentioned in the book is in relation to an Ozu film.
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farting is subversive art? Hmmm, then most modern comedies should be listed as arthouse, no?
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xianjiro wrote: December 28th, 2020, 9:15 pm farting is subversive art? Hmmm, then most modern comedies should be listed as arthouse, no?
well it's a 1974 list. it's probably only subversive for its time and when Ozu types film it. but ofc he's made lighthearted movies decades before Ohayo.
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ANARCHISTS, 2010s bests, Yasujiro Ozu, Visual Effects nominees, kid-related stuff, great animes (mini-serie or feature), very 80s movies, 17+ sci-fi lists on watchlist, ENVIRO, remarkable Silent Films and Pre-Code (exploring 1925 atm) and every shorts and docu list I'm aware of and
/forum.icmforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1434
and "Gordon" Liu Chia-Hui/Liu Chia-Liang and Yuen Woo-ping and "Sammo" Hung Kam-bo
imaginary awards | youtube channels | complaint lounge | explain how big a fan of slavery you are here, ..viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1535 and here: ..viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4484
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