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dirty_score wrote: January 26th, 2021, 7:30 pm
Coryn wrote: January 26th, 2021, 7:17 pm Not sure if this was known yet but: Belgium's Magritte awards cancels 2021 edition due to Covid-19.

Which means no new addition this year to this list:
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/belg ... best+film/
What about the Ensor's? That list is quite a mess.
The Ensors is a more recent but to my knowledge more famous award, at least in Flanders.

The last winner of The Ensors is:

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/de+patrick/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7618604/
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For anybody who was at first wondering what this Planet Endor is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensor_Award
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hurluberlu wrote: January 26th, 2021, 7:25 pm
Nathan Treadway wrote: January 26th, 2021, 7:02 pm Da 5 Bloods named best film by National Board of Review.

https://nationalboardofreview.org/2021/ ... d-winners/
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seems no one in the US dares to tell Spike Lee he made a very average film
Hehe. I like Spike's work in general and I thought Da 5 Bloods was a bit above average, but yeah, would not be near the top of my list for that award and I haven't even seen too many 2020 films yet.
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Coryn wrote: January 26th, 2021, 7:32 pm
dirty_score wrote: January 26th, 2021, 7:30 pm
Coryn wrote: January 26th, 2021, 7:17 pm Not sure if this was known yet but: Belgium's Magritte awards cancels 2021 edition due to Covid-19.

Which means no new addition this year to this list:
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/belg ... best+film/
What about the Ensor's? That list is quite a mess.
The Ensors is a more recent but to my knowledge more famous award, at least in Flanders.

The last winner of The Ensors is:

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/de+patrick/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7618604/
It doesn't say who the winner is, according to the source (imdb) but if that movie won then the list should be updated because the list is made of 3 lists (Joseph Plateau, discontinued) and both Magritte and Ensor's. The latter awards flemish movies but Magritte's also have a category for best flemish movies.

Again, the list is such a jumbled mess, don't know why is official. At least, the dutchies have their shit together. Anyway, I was scavenging and saw these 2 potencial lists to make it official one day (hope to see in the next update a film festival/awards list):

Brussels International Festival of Fantasy Film (BIFFF) Golden Raven Awards
Ghent International Film Festival - Grand Prix winners
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I agree with the Belgian list being messy, and suggested making it maybe Magritte award only among the mods. But we haven't actually looked any further into this. Good (additional) suggestions on how to streamline the list or maybe find a better alternative are welcome!

NB De Patrick was also the “meilleur film flamand” according to the Magritte awards
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Ooooooooh that changes the case. Well, Belgium is an insanely confusing and confused country.

Basicly there's 2 parts: Flanders and Walloon.

1985-2006: Joseph Plateu Award

This award then split up between

Margrittes: 2011-...
Ensors: 2010-...

Margrittes being the Francophone award and Ensors being the Flemish one (reason why Ensor was more known to me).
In my opinion we have 2 choices, either integrate both awards and make 1 list or make 2 official lists.

EDIT:

Ensors:
2010: The Misfortunates
2011: Bullhead
2012: Time of My Life
2013: The Broken Circle Breakdown
2014: Marina
2015: N: The Madness of Reason
2016: The Ardennes
2017: Home
2018: Racer and the Jailbird and Zagros
2019: Girl
2020: De Patrick

Margrittes:
2011: Mr. Nobody
2012: The Giants
2013: Our Children
2014: Ernest & Celestine
2015: Two Days, One Night
2016: The Brand New Testament
2017: The First, the Last
2018: Insyriated
2019: Our Struggles
2020: Mothers' Instinct
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Coryn wrote: January 26th, 2021, 9:21 pm Margrittes being the Francophone award and Ensors being the Flemish one (reason why Ensor was more known to me).
In my opinion we have 2 choices, either integrate both awards and make 1 list or make 2 official lists.
Mh meh.
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"De Patrick" won the Ensor for Best Film last weekend (source in Dutch). I'm not sure why people are complaining, the list may be "messy", but so is the whole country. We had a national film award which got discontinued, and then it "split" into a Dutch-language and a French-language award. I'm fine with all of this being in the same list.
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Well I spoke before I did my research and it seems both lists are official.

Thus you can add 'De Patrick (2019)' to the list as it won The Ensors about 2 days ago.

https://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20210124_95165487
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Coryn wrote: January 26th, 2021, 9:21 pmintegrate both awards and make 1 list
this is what it is, but also what makes it messy, not being from a single source... also the Ensor skew far more popular than the Magrittes in my opinion, so they don't mesh well (but that might be just me)/
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beavis wrote: January 26th, 2021, 9:27 pm
Coryn wrote: January 26th, 2021, 9:21 pmintegrate both awards and make 1 list
this is what it is, but also what makes it messy, not being from a single source... also the Ensor skew far more popular than the Magrittes in my opinion, so they don't mesh well (but that might be just me)/
Yes I didn't know this and it is quite true for sure but that might also be because of the bigger budget for Flemish movies.
De Patrick is kind of an unusual pick though it seems so you might want to check that out, I still need to do so as well. :thumbsup:
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GruesomeTwosome wrote: January 26th, 2021, 8:09 pm
hurluberlu wrote: January 26th, 2021, 7:25 pm :blink:
seems no one in the US dares to tell Spike Lee he made a very average film
Hehe. I like Spike's work in general and I thought Da 5 Bloods was a bit above average, but yeah, would not be near the top of my list for that award and I haven't even seen too many 2020 films yet.
:ermm: I haven't seen it yet and have mixed opinions on Spike Lee, but for reference: Critics on RT give 92% while RT's audience only has a mere 53% to give; IMDb shows only 6.5 (another "opinion of the masses" site, you know), again, just average or above average.
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Coryn wrote: January 26th, 2021, 9:28 pm
beavis wrote: January 26th, 2021, 9:27 pm
Coryn wrote: January 26th, 2021, 9:21 pmintegrate both awards and make 1 list
this is what it is, but also what makes it messy, not being from a single source... also the Ensor skew far more popular than the Magrittes in my opinion, so they don't mesh well (but that might be just me)/
Yes I didn't know this and it is quite true for sure but that might also be because of the bigger budget for Flemish movies.
De Patrick is kind of an unusual pick though it seems so you might want to check that out, I still need to do so as well. :thumbsup:
I've seen De Patrick in cinema, great movie, and indeed not as populist as the average Ensor winner ;)
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beavis wrote: January 26th, 2021, 9:15 pm I agree with the Belgian list being messy, and suggested making it maybe Magritte award only among the mods. But we haven't actually looked any further into this. Good (additional) suggestions on how to streamline the list or maybe find a better alternative are welcome!

NB De Patrick was also the “meilleur film flamand” according to the Magritte awards
It's time for a poll :sweat:

I suggest to keep the first awards (Joseph Plateau) and jump to Magritte's (best film and best flemish film). Remove all the Ensor's.
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dirty_score wrote: January 26th, 2021, 9:47 pm
beavis wrote: January 26th, 2021, 9:15 pm I agree with the Belgian list being messy, and suggested making it maybe Magritte award only among the mods. But we haven't actually looked any further into this. Good (additional) suggestions on how to streamline the list or maybe find a better alternative are welcome!

NB De Patrick was also the “meilleur film flamand” according to the Magritte awards
It's time for a poll :sweat:

I suggest to keep the first awards (Joseph Plateau) and jump to Magritte's (best film and best flemish film). Remove all the Ensor's.
You can't just remove half of Belgium :D
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Coryn wrote: January 26th, 2021, 10:05 pm
dirty_score wrote: January 26th, 2021, 9:47 pm
beavis wrote: January 26th, 2021, 9:15 pm I agree with the Belgian list being messy, and suggested making it maybe Magritte award only among the mods. But we haven't actually looked any further into this. Good (additional) suggestions on how to streamline the list or maybe find a better alternative are welcome!

NB De Patrick was also the “meilleur film flamand” according to the Magritte awards
It's time for a poll :sweat:

I suggest to keep the first awards (Joseph Plateau) and jump to Magritte's (best film and best flemish film). Remove all the Ensor's.
You can't just remove half of Belgium :D
I'm not. The Magrittes awards all Belgium now :thumbsup:


@joachimt : A Little Red Flower new official check in the Chinese Worlwide Box Office list.
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dirty_score wrote: January 26th, 2021, 10:34 pm @joachimt : A Little Red Flower new official check in the Chinese Worlwide Box Office list.
O yay, a new Yan Han film!
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Apu wrote: January 26th, 2021, 11:10 pm http://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000.htm
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The Winners – Top Climbers within the 1,000
Holy Motors (2012), 619 to 285 (up 334)
Mad Max: Fury Road (2015), 629 to 351 (up 278)
My Friend Ivan Lapshin (1985), 690 to 513 (up 177)
Once Upon a Time in Anatolia (2011), 706 to 538 (up 168)
Amour (2012), 620 to 458 (up 162)

The Winners – Highest Entrants into the 1,000
Toni Erdmann (2016), ranked 363
Under the Skin (2013), ranked 399
Boyhood (2014), ranked 461
The Master (2012), ranked 485
The Act of Killing (2012), ranked 488

The Losers – Biggest Fallers within the 1,000
Edward Scissorhands (1990), 678 to 738 (down 60)
Dog Star Man (1964), 877 to 936 (down 59)
L'Enfance nue (1968), 903 to 960 (down 57)
Floating Weeds(1959), 909 to 966 (down 57)
Rope (1948), 908 to 965 (down 57)

The Losers – Biggest Fallers from the 1,000
Superman (1978), formerly ranked 746
The Goddess (1934), formerly ranked 783
La Commune (Paris, 1871) (2000), formerly ranked 810
Blazing Saddles (1974), formerly ranked 844
The Diving Bell and the Butterfly (2007), formerly ranked 905


What an impressive leap for Mad Max (2015), anything but a typical TSP film! :sweat:
I cared less about all of the highest entrants tbh (all films from the 2012s), those are rather typical.
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Torgo wrote: January 26th, 2021, 11:14 pm What an impressive leap for Mad Max (2015), anything but a typical TSP film! :sweat:
Celebrating the cinema of yesteryear... it fits well enough.
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PA, can you update TSPDT?
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joachimt wrote: January 27th, 2021, 6:02 am PA, can you update TSPDT?
main list is updated, working on the 1001-2000.
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Thank you, PA, for the updates!

I lost my plat by ten unseen additions. Excited to watch them!
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Again a 0 checks movie on the box office list.
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/a+l ... ed+flower/
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Chilton wrote: January 26th, 2021, 9:25 pm "De Patrick" won the Ensor for Best Film last weekend (source in Dutch). I'm not sure why people are complaining, the list may be "messy", but so is the whole country. We had a national film award which got discontinued, and then it "split" into a Dutch-language and a French-language award. I'm fine with all of this being in the same list.
This still needs to be added
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Maybe we should do some outreach on Douban to try and draw in some Chinese members?
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joachimt wrote: January 27th, 2021, 8:24 pm Again a 0 checks movie on the box office list.
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/a+l ... ed+flower/
Quite the famous director though, the votes will come (ones the film hits local streaming platforms I'm guessing). Looking forward to this.
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Chilton wrote: January 27th, 2021, 8:38 pm
Chilton wrote: January 26th, 2021, 9:25 pm "De Patrick" won the Ensor for Best Film last weekend (source in Dutch). I'm not sure why people are complaining, the list may be "messy", but so is the whole country. We had a national film award which got discontinued, and then it "split" into a Dutch-language and a French-language award. I'm fine with all of this being in the same list.
This still needs to be added
I added it now. Thanks :)
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joachimt wrote: January 27th, 2021, 8:24 pm Again a 0 checks movie on the box office list.
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/a+l ... ed+flower/
Seems all the theaters are open in China and people are really going to movies, lucky them...
80M$ gross the first w-e, 200M$ in less than 4 weeks, not bad!
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Onderhond wrote: January 27th, 2021, 8:45 pm
joachimt wrote: January 27th, 2021, 8:24 pm Again a 0 checks movie on the box office list.
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/a+l ... ed+flower/
Quite the famous director though, the votes will come (ones the film hits local streaming platforms I'm guessing). Looking forward to this.
True. Would also like to figure out the original title. I've noticed lately that a bunch of Chinese-language films are added to imdb with the basic information and an English title, and it's becoming a pain to change the main title to another language recently (not sure why, it used to be easier). It bothers me when the title is wrong but also is clearly in the wrong language to be the "original" title. :sweat:
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That film is on YouTube, Little Red Flower isn’t it? Check it out
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Fergenaprido wrote: January 27th, 2021, 8:47 pm True. Would also like to figure out the original title. I've noticed lately that a bunch of Chinese-language films are added to imdb with the basic information and an English title, and it's becoming a pain to change the main title to another language recently (not sure why, it used to be easier). It bothers me when the title is wrong but also is clearly in the wrong language to be the "original" title. :sweat:
Myeah, then again transcriptions of Chinese titles are hell. There's just too many options, which makes it border on randomness anyway. And using Chinese script isn't very helpful either :)

Also, the film is not on YouTube I think, there's a Little Red Flowers there, but it was added three years ago. This is a brand new film.
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I'm always getting tripped up by Cantonese & Mandarin titles (in addition to the English version). No matter which I have, it almost always seems to be listed under the other. Then there are oddities in where the transliterated version breaks between components (asdfg vs asd fg). I've noticed the libraries are actually shifting to include the original name in the original script which can help, but Western eyes aren't necessarily trained to recognize subtle differences between characters - we often trip over our own homophones and such.

Wish I had some suggestion of how this could be made easier, but if anything, as the world continues to shrink and people become less adverse to subtitles, it's only going to continue to grow.
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I know hardly any Chinese (even though I watched quite a few Cantonese/Mandarin films, I find it very hard to break the sounds into words), all I know is there are words that can have many meanings depending on intonation (I think "gao" is a popular example, no?).

But common Western spellings of words in Chinese titles are for example Xun, Chun, Cheun, Cheung and sometimes I suspect they're all different spellings of the same thing. If that wasn't weird enough, Wikipedia start doing this (example: In the Mood for Love):
Mandarin: huāyàng niánhuá
Cantonese: faa1joeng6 nin4waa4

What the what? :circle:
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The one I saw was added recently and says 2020 but think it’s not the same film
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Should Brief Encounters be updated?


If it helps, I sorted the TSPDT spreadsheet to get the highest-ranked films of 45 minutes or less (according to TSPDT data, which doesn't always match IMDb runtimes), and these are the top 250:
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls084423609/
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I won't do it with out a bit of time to consider and hear other thoughts, but my initial thought is that yes, that would make sense.

There are 16 things in that list not tagged short on imdb.
Here's 12 of them https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?titl ... s084423609
Plus
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097270/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070136/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0183710/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095590/

Imdb's definition is 44 or less, which accounts for some of these.
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PeacefulAnarchy wrote: January 27th, 2021, 10:46 pm I won't do it with out a bit of time to consider and hear other thoughts, but my initial thought is that yes, that would make sense.

There are 16 things in that list not tagged short on imdb.
I thought the shorts list was a list of films on shorts-only lists, not just a list of the top shorts in tspdt. That would explain why there are some feature-length films there.

I prefer a shorts-focused lists instead of just a shorts-filter, since so many film lists tend to ignore shorts completely.
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PeacefulAnarchy wrote: January 27th, 2021, 10:46 pm There are 16 things in that list not tagged short on imdb.
Yeah, like I said, runtimes in TSPDT's spreadsheet don't always match IMDb. Also, IMDb considers 45 minute films to be features, not shorts, but the current Brief Encounters list includes 45 min films.
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