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Post by Lonewolf2003 » August 9th, 2020, 12:30 pm

Tim2460 wrote:
August 9th, 2020, 11:01 am
The French site says for the 2019 edition that it has bring serious discution between members of the editorial staff. It don't really talks about any pool. Have you kept info on the previous pool/page?
This is the last archived edition of the site I could find before the last update of iCM list (May 29 2018): https://web.archive.org/web/20171107230 ... ncais-home

Google translate if the intro;
The 100 best French films in the history of cinema, selected by a panel of around one hundred professionals: directors, actors, producers, technicians or journalists.

From Renoir and Méliès, to Carax or Kechiche, our panorama of French cinema - which does not hesitate to eye, sometimes, towards horror cinema, science fiction or towards the heights of romanticism ...

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Post by Tim2460 » August 9th, 2020, 1:52 pm

Seems to me the 2019 update isn't an pool anymore : i'll ask on my email.

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Post by zuma » August 9th, 2020, 2:04 pm

It is a very minor update. I took a quick look down through the list and it seems there are only a couple of additions/deletions. Most of the films are in the same order. Two of the films added in the last update have been removed.

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Post by xianjiro » August 9th, 2020, 9:02 pm

Pools are different than polls. Someone might pool together a group of existing lists, kind of like TSPDT or TSZDT as I understand their processes - those seem more like pools of lists to me where the most commonly mentioned titles make the final list.

A poll probably has a defined list from which voters chose. This is often after someone, may or may not include those who will be polled, nominate titles for the poll. An instant poll combines to the two steps though it's probably not explicitly stated: What are the best x movies? Our 500<400 is this type while DtC is the two-step process.

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Post by WalterNeff » August 10th, 2020, 12:52 am

xianjiro wrote:
August 9th, 2020, 9:02 pm
Pools are different than polls. Someone might pool together a group of existing lists, kind of like TSPDT or TSZDT as I understand their processes - those seem more like pools of lists to me where the most commonly mentioned titles make the final list.

A poll probably has a defined list from which voters chose. This is often after someone, may or may not include those who will be polled, nominate titles for the poll. An instant poll combines to the two steps though it's probably not explicitly stated: What are the best x movies? Our 500<400 is this type while DtC is the two-step process.
And don't forget Poles. Or Pauls. or Pails.

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Post by xianjiro » August 10th, 2020, 3:03 am

WalterNeff wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 12:52 am

And don't forget Poles. Or Pauls. or Pails.
Paul's Pool Poll of Pre-Code Poles' Pails pleeze! :lol:

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Post by Tim2460 » August 12th, 2020, 8:07 am

Couldn't find an email to contact the staff : had to email an Marketing guy @ Timeout France... let's hope he'll forward our questions !

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Post by Lilarcor » August 14th, 2020, 9:21 pm

Barn AKA Beware of Children https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/barn-2019/ has won the Best Film price at the Amanda Award.

(it's good)

Source: https://filmfestivalen.no/en/the-amanda ... ners-2020/

e: That was very quick, thanks!

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » August 19th, 2020, 10:27 am

Update the CC list with the November releases:
Girlfriends (1978, Claudia Weill)
Moonstruck (1987, Norman Jewison)
Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai (1999, Jim Jarmusch)
The Irishman (2019, Martin Scorsese)

The movies (which weren't already previously released) in the “Essential Fellini” box set don't have a spine-number, so those aren't added. (Similar to the Bergman and Varda boxsets) Those are Il Bidone and Intervista.

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Post by joachimt » August 23rd, 2020, 6:24 pm

I just updated the Unesco list. 77 titles have been added.

13 people had bronze. 5 of them lost it.
I was 36 checks away from silver, now I'm 94 checks away. 16 of the 77 new checks are available on Youtube.
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Post by frbrown » August 23rd, 2020, 6:33 pm

joachimt wrote:
August 23rd, 2020, 6:24 pm
I just updated the Unesco list. 77 titles have been added.
Is Unesco finished, or is there more coming?

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Post by joachimt » August 23rd, 2020, 7:00 pm

There are still things missing, but we don't know for sure which titles. There are a few collections mentioned, but we don't know exactly (or at all) which movies are included in those. There might be coming something from an investigation on a collection from Ecuador, but I'm not expecting much of it.

I still need to update the description, btw. I'll do that tomorrow.
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Post by joachimt » August 23rd, 2020, 7:24 pm

joachimt wrote:
August 23rd, 2020, 7:00 pm
I still need to update the description, btw. I'll do that tomorrow.
Or today.......

Done.
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Post by Onderhond » August 23rd, 2020, 7:57 pm

joachimt wrote:
August 23rd, 2020, 7:00 pm
There are still things missing, but we don't know for sure which titles. There are a few collections mentioned, but we don't know exactly (or at all) which movies are included in those. There might be coming something from an investigation on a collection from Ecuador, but I'm not expecting much of it.
I get the theoretical appeal of this list, but how did this ever become official (without a clear source)? Seems the project itself is also doing a rather terrible job at highlighting these films, no?

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » August 23rd, 2020, 10:13 pm

Onderhond wrote:
August 23rd, 2020, 7:57 pm
joachimt wrote:
August 23rd, 2020, 7:00 pm
There are still things missing, but we don't know for sure which titles. There are a few collections mentioned, but we don't know exactly (or at all) which movies are included in those. There might be coming something from an investigation on a collection from Ecuador, but I'm not expecting much of it.
I get the theoretical appeal of this list, but how did this ever become official (without a clear source)? Seems the project itself is also doing a rather terrible job at highlighting these films, no?
I does have a clear source. I do agree the project does a bad job of highlighting these films, but that's because a lot of cultural projects seem to have no real concern about connecting to the public, things get preserved in vaults and storage and are otherwise inaccessible.

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Post by Ebbywebby » August 24th, 2020, 12:08 am

joachimt wrote:
August 23rd, 2020, 6:24 pm
I just updated the Unesco list. 77 titles have been added.
I added runtimes for 13 Gordon Sparling films to IMDb/ICM, though it looks like only seven of them are among the new official checks.

"Zemlya Chudes" + "1982" yields just three Google links, including IMDb. Most obscure check ever?
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Post by joachimt » August 24th, 2020, 5:09 am

Ebbywebby wrote:
August 24th, 2020, 12:08 am
joachimt wrote:
August 23rd, 2020, 6:24 pm
I just updated the Unesco list. 77 titles have been added.
I added runtimes for 13 Gordon Sparling films to IMDb/ICM, though it looks like only seven of them are among the new official checks.
It seems like several runtimes I added when submitting the films to IMDb didn’t come through. Thanks for adding.
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Post by Ebbywebby » August 24th, 2020, 6:45 am

joachimt wrote:
August 24th, 2020, 5:09 am
Ebbywebby wrote:
August 24th, 2020, 12:08 am
joachimt wrote:
August 23rd, 2020, 6:24 pm
I just updated the Unesco list. 77 titles have been added.
I added runtimes for 13 Gordon Sparling films to IMDb/ICM, though it looks like only seven of them are among the new official checks.
It seems like several runtimes I added when submitting the films to IMDb didn’t come through. Thanks for adding.
Know any times for these? Admittedly, I haven't looked too hard yet.

The Beloved Fish 1954
Championship Wrestling 1932
Dogs at Work 1953
Hockey: Canada's National Game 1932
The Pathfinder 1932
Progress on Parade 1932
Sea Rover's Summer 1949
Shadow River 1933
She Climbs to Conquer 1932
Spotlight No. 4 1952
This Badminton Racket 1936
Zemlya Chudes 1982

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Post by joachimt » August 24th, 2020, 7:07 am

Hockey: Canada's National Game 1932
9 min

I just found it on Youtube.
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Post by joachimt » August 24th, 2020, 7:13 am

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August 24th, 2020, 7:13 am
The Pathfinder
11 min
http://www.screenculture.org/cesif/film/10364
Oh wait, that's the silent version. The sound version is 9 min.

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Post by joachimt » August 24th, 2020, 7:18 am

Rest of the runtimes is unknown.
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Post by Ebbywebby » August 24th, 2020, 10:18 pm

joachimt wrote:
August 24th, 2020, 7:13 am
joachimt wrote:
August 24th, 2020, 7:13 am
The Pathfinder
11 min
http://www.screenculture.org/cesif/film/10364
Oh wait, that's the silent version. The sound version is 9 min.

EDIT:
Source
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/ ... mber=13509
So how do we know which runtime IMDb should prioritize?

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » August 25th, 2020, 12:41 am

Ebbywebby wrote:
August 24th, 2020, 10:18 pm
joachimt wrote:
August 24th, 2020, 7:13 am
joachimt wrote:
August 24th, 2020, 7:13 am
The Pathfinder
11 min
http://www.screenculture.org/cesif/film/10364
Oh wait, that's the silent version. The sound version is 9 min.

EDIT:
Source
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/ ... mber=13509
So how do we know which runtime IMDb should prioritize?
Whichever is the original (silent version in this case).

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Post by blocho » August 25th, 2020, 2:32 am

Why was unesco updated? Was a country added?

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Post by WalterNeff » August 25th, 2020, 3:12 am

blocho wrote:
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Why was unesco updated? Was a country added?
Evidently an entire continent.

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Post by joachimt » August 25th, 2020, 7:52 am

blocho wrote:
August 25th, 2020, 2:32 am
Why was unesco updated? Was a country added?
We did some more digging to missing titles. There's still a lot missing.
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Post by Lonewolf2003 » August 28th, 2020, 10:42 am

Added the November releases for MoC, containing one movie by Paul Leni and three by Ishirō Honda. Fans of Japanese kaiju can really rejoice these days, after Criterion's Godzilla box and Arrow's Gamera, Eureka now is releasing Mothra on blu-ray.

Das Wachsfigurenkabinett [Waxworks] (1924)
Mosura [Mothra] (1961)
Bijo to ekitai ningen [The H-Man] (1958)
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Post by Tasselfoot » August 28th, 2020, 12:13 pm

I marathon'd all of Young Indiana Jones chronicles last week. Found out a lot of unique things about it. Like there are 2 different versions of the series:
  • The original run, called Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, which features 28 episodes over 2 seasons (1 hour long) + 4 standalone films. The episodes are bookended by some words by an old Indiana Jones
  • In 1995, they re-cut the series into 22 movies (90-ish minutes each), and removed the old Indy bookends. This was called Adventures of Young Indiana Jones
I wound up watching the latter.

Now, how does this fit in with Scorsese's personal journey? The final standalone film (and also final episode of the 22 movies), Hollywood Follies, follows Young Indy to Hollywood to make movies. In the first half, he tries to corral Erich Von Stroheim's outlandish spending on Foolish Wives... but fails. Then in the 2nd half, he goes out into the desert and makes a western with Jack Ford.

My assumption is that the only relevant part of the Young Indiana Jones series to Scorsese is this final episode. As there are plenty of other references to the works of both Von Stroheim and Ford in the documentary.

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Post by Tim2460 » August 28th, 2020, 12:42 pm

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
August 28th, 2020, 10:42 am
Added the November releases for MoC, containing one movie by Paul Leni and three by Ishirō Honda. Fans of Japanese kaiju can really rejoice these days, after Criterion's Godzilla box and Arrow's Gamera, Eureka now is releasing Mothra on blu-ray.

Das Wachsfigurenkabinett [Waxworks] (1924)
Mosura [Mothra] (1961)
Bijo to ekitai ningen [The H-Man] (1958)
Uchû sai sensô [Battle in Outer Space] (1959)
Ha ... Was wondering why theses were official with 0 Lists ;)

officialtoplistcount akatitle
0 Mothra
0 The H-Man
0 Battle in Outer Space

ICM still says tha last update to the list was in July... if i new it had been today i wouldn't have worry ,)

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Post by Onderhond » August 28th, 2020, 12:55 pm

Nice, three Hondas I haven't seen yet. Still a long way to go on his entire oeuvre though.

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » August 28th, 2020, 1:07 pm

Tim2460 wrote:
August 28th, 2020, 12:42 pm
Lonewolf2003 wrote:
August 28th, 2020, 10:42 am
Added the November releases for MoC, containing one movie by Paul Leni and three by Ishirō Honda. Fans of Japanese kaiju can really rejoice these days, after Criterion's Godzilla box and Arrow's Gamera, Eureka now is releasing Mothra on blu-ray.

Das Wachsfigurenkabinett [Waxworks] (1924)
Mosura [Mothra] (1961)
Bijo to ekitai ningen [The H-Man] (1958)
Uchû sai sensô [Battle in Outer Space] (1959)
Ha ... Was wondering why theses were official with 0 Lists ;)

officialtoplistcount akatitle
0 Mothra
0 The H-Man
0 Battle in Outer Space

ICM still says tha last update to the list was in July... if i new it had been today i wouldn't have worry ,)
Eureka mostly announce their new release around the end of the month. But it's hard to know when exactly they will announce, so I didn't know it would be today either. they don't always include title for their Masters of Cinema line. So that's why there wasn't an update last month.

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Post by Fergenaprido » August 28th, 2020, 2:50 pm

Tasselfoot wrote:
August 28th, 2020, 12:13 pm
I marathon'd all of Young Indiana Jones chronicles last week. Found out a lot of unique things about it. Like there are 2 different versions of the series:
  • The original run, called Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, which features 28 episodes over 2 seasons (1 hour long) + 4 standalone films. The episodes are bookended by some words by an old Indiana Jones
  • In 1995, they re-cut the series into 22 movies (90-ish minutes each), and removed the old Indy bookends. This was called Adventures of Young Indiana Jones
I wound up watching the latter.

Now, how does this fit in with Scorsese's personal journey? The final standalone film (and also final episode of the 22 movies), Hollywood Follies, follows Young Indy to Hollywood to make movies. In the first half, he tries to corral Erich Von Stroheim's outlandish spending on Foolish Wives... but fails. Then in the 2nd half, he goes out into the desert and makes a western with Jack Ford.

My assumption is that the only relevant part of the Young Indiana Jones series to Scorsese is this final episode. As there are plenty of other references to the works of both Von Stroheim and Ford in the documentary.
Thanks Tasselfoot. Could you share some links to make sure we're all looking at the same titles? Are there separate imdb pages for YIJC & AYIJ?

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Post by cinephage » August 28th, 2020, 4:43 pm

There is a picture from the indiana jones chronicles (I don't know which series) that is used in the doc, to illustrate the part on special effects. You can see the scene with the green screen, and then the CGI additions, as Martin Scorsese says how the progress never stops. I think that is the only quote of the chronicles you have in the documentary, though... And I wouldn't be able to tell which is the episode quoted by this short visual reference...


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Post by Tasselfoot » August 28th, 2020, 7:00 pm

This is Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, and what is linked from the Scorsese list: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103586/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0 (about 7000 votes)
There is a separate page for Adventures of Young Indiana Jones: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9733630/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0 (only 150 votes)

and then there are additional pages for each of the 22 Adventures of Young Indiana Jones films. Here's the one for Hollywood Follies: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111806/?ref_=tt_sims_tt (500 votes)

Not sure whether that helps, or just makes it even more confusing.

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Post by Fergenaprido » August 28th, 2020, 7:17 pm

Thanks. And you're saying that that Hollywood Follies should be the official check, or the recut 1995 final episode should be the official check? (this one: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9740398/?ref_=ttep_ep7 )

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » August 28th, 2020, 9:54 pm

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Thanks. And you're saying that that Hollywood Follies should be the official check, or the recut 1995 final episode should be the official check? (this one: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9740398/?ref_=ttep_ep7 )
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