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Post by albajos » January 21st, 2019, 11:59 pm

bal3x wrote:
January 21st, 2019, 11:52 pm
Gershwin wrote:
January 21st, 2019, 9:13 pm
It's really a ridiculous list indeed. I'd be all for unadopting it.
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I think the main argument here is that it's not even on the TSPDT website so if Bill thinks it's not worth showing it to people I don't see a reason why should iCM do it.
We have already said why there isn't. He said he would do the list, but he wouldn't do presentations of every single movie anymore. That's why there is no links on the site.

I really don't understand why you are discussing this now that the list is actually is up to date, instead of the last 3 years where the list has been completely pointless.

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#1802

Post by bal3x » January 22nd, 2019, 12:03 am

albajos wrote:
January 21st, 2019, 11:59 pm
bal3x wrote:
January 21st, 2019, 11:52 pm
Gershwin wrote:
January 21st, 2019, 9:13 pm
It's really a ridiculous list indeed. I'd be all for unadopting it.
+1
I think the main argument here is that it's not even on the TSPDT website so if Bill thinks it's not worth showing it to people I don't see a reason why should iCM do it.
We have already said why there isn't. He said he would do the list, but he wouldn't do presentations of every single movie anymore. That's why there is no links on the site.
I get that, but we already had this discussion before, i.e. official lists only with "official" verifiable links, otherwise I don't really see a point, it may as well be some personal list or something. Oh well, I won't be getting into argument over this, it's rather useless as there's always 20 differing opinions among 30 active people.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » January 22nd, 2019, 12:08 am

bal3x wrote:
January 22nd, 2019, 12:03 am
i.e. official lists only with "official" verifiable links
Verifiable source, not links, otherwise many of our book sourced lists wouldn't be eligible. Though I agree it would be more meaningful if Bill posted a link on his site.

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#1804

Post by bal3x » January 22nd, 2019, 12:09 am

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
January 22nd, 2019, 12:08 am
bal3x wrote:
January 22nd, 2019, 12:03 am
i.e. official lists only with "official" verifiable links
Verifiable source, not links, otherwise many of our book sourced lists wouldn't be eligible. Though I agree it would be more meaningful if Bill posted a link on his site.
Sure, I meant source - for people to check where that list actually comes from. Perfectly normal assumption to see if the list has not been tampered with :lol:

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Post by Knaldskalle » January 22nd, 2019, 3:01 am

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
January 22nd, 2019, 12:08 am
bal3x wrote:
January 22nd, 2019, 12:03 am
i.e. official lists only with "official" verifiable links
Verifiable source, not links, otherwise many of our book sourced lists wouldn't be eligible. Though I agree it would be more meaningful if Bill posted a link on his site.
So... no more IMDb lists? :whistling:

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Post by 72allinncallme » January 22nd, 2019, 7:31 am

If we only get updates whenever Joachimt asks as a ‘btw’ every odd year than yeah, the Blues list is pretty pointless. If Bill is willing to give you annual updates then it’s a different mather.

So, in preffered order;
Ask if he is willing to give you you updates every year. If not, byebye Blues.

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Post by sol » January 22nd, 2019, 8:49 am

Rankings have updated for Ain't Blues!

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/aint ... rs/?page=1

I managed to climb 33 spots despite losing 15 checks in the latest update. Ain't Blues is now my 9th highest rank list.

...

In other news, I have no problem with Ain't Blues being Official. The one thing that iCM needs is more lists like this that are a challenge to work on. Sure as hell beats all of those best-of lists that have the same movies time and time again.
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Post by cinephage » January 22nd, 2019, 9:19 am

I really hope this discussion won't result in the disappearance of another official list. The quest for official, documented, sources is a sad, sterile, road that will lead us nowhere, and I hope our thought police will give that up sometime... Culture is all about freedom, diversity and curiosity, not exclusion and discarding the unfit.

I don't really work on that list, but it is diverse and brings attention on little seen films that can be of interest to many. I hope it stays official.

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Post by tobias » January 22nd, 2019, 11:13 am

Geuine is on there? WTF I love Ain't Nobody's Blues Now. Next stop TSPDT top 1000 then the world (it's on 2 lists already, it's unstoppable).

Also is it just me or do you also tend to like the bunch that falls off of TSPDT better than what gets in?

Those are the 31 that have fallen off:
AMOUR FOU, L'
BAD TIMING
BEING JOHN MALKOVICH
BIG RED ONE, THE
COLLECTIONNEUSE, LA
DEAD POETS SOCIETY
ENFANT SECRET, L'
FOUNTAINHEAD, THE
GRIN WITHOUT A CAT, A
HEIMAT
HUMANITÉ, L'
HUSBANDS AND WIVES
INDIA: MATRI BHUMI
INDIAN TOMB, THE
JOHNNY GOT HIS GUN
OASIS
PHANTOM OF THE PARADISE
PICKPOCKET
PRINCESS YANG KWEI FEI
ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW, THE
RUGGLES OF RED GAP
SORCERER
SPRING, SUMMER, AUTUMN, WINTER… AND SPRING
STING, THE
STORY OF QIU JU, THE
SUPERMAN
TOUCHEZ PAS AU GRISBI
TRUE HEART SUSIE
UNSERE AFRIKAREISE
WAR AND PEACE
WITNESS

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Post by Nathan Treadway » January 22nd, 2019, 11:15 am

sol wrote:
January 22nd, 2019, 8:49 am
Rankings have updated for Ain't Blues!

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/aint ... rs/?page=1

I managed to climb 33 spots despite losing 15 checks in the latest update. Ain't Blues is now my 9th highest rank list.

...

In other news, I have no problem with Ain't Blues being Official. The one thing that iCM needs is more lists like this that are a challenge to work on. Sure as hell beats all of those best-of lists that have the same movies time and time again.
29 checks on the old list was 281st place.
29 checks on the new list is 105th.

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Post by nimimerkillinen » January 22nd, 2019, 12:42 pm

cinephage wrote:
January 22nd, 2019, 9:19 am
I really hope this discussion won't result in the disappearance of another official list. The quest for official, documented, sources is a sad, sterile, road that will lead us nowhere, and I hope our thought police will give that up sometime... Culture is all about freedom, diversity and curiosity, not exclusion and discarding the unfit.

I don't really work on that list, but it is diverse and brings attention on little seen films that can be of interest to many. I hope it stays official.
like said, should be extended to all versions imo! whats the harm in it

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Post by Onderhond » January 22nd, 2019, 1:36 pm

Gained a check, feels like a completely pointless list though.

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Post by bal3x » January 22nd, 2019, 2:17 pm

Knaldskalle wrote:
January 22nd, 2019, 3:01 am
PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
January 22nd, 2019, 12:08 am
bal3x wrote:
January 22nd, 2019, 12:03 am
i.e. official lists only with "official" verifiable links
Verifiable source, not links, otherwise many of our book sourced lists wouldn't be eligible. Though I agree it would be more meaningful if Bill posted a link on his site.
So... no more IMDb lists? :whistling:

:)
I wouldn't mind... said it many times before :)

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#1814

Post by dirty_score » January 22nd, 2019, 2:31 pm

since we're talking about pointless lists.. :whistling: "Anthology Film Archives' Essential Cinema" :whistling:

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Post by Nathan Treadway » January 22nd, 2019, 4:16 pm

dirty_score wrote:
January 22nd, 2019, 2:31 pm
since we're talking about pointless lists.. :whistling: "Anthology Film Archives' Essential Cinema" :whistling:
And watch all the shorts horders fall in the rankings? I can imagine the backlash now. :lol:

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Post by WalterNeff » January 22nd, 2019, 4:26 pm

Nathan Treadway wrote:
January 22nd, 2019, 4:16 pm
dirty_score wrote:
January 22nd, 2019, 2:31 pm
since we're talking about pointless lists.. :whistling: "Anthology Film Archives' Essential Cinema" :whistling:
And watch all the shorts horders fall in the rankings? I can imagine the backlash now. :lol:
I'll just add the top 100,000 Noirs to compensate.

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Post by OldAle1 » January 22nd, 2019, 4:31 pm

The Noir list and Anthology are the two lists I probably worked the most on in the past couple of years so FUCK ALL OF YOU THEY'RE BOTH GREAT. And I like the Ain't Nobody's Blues list too thank you very much, however ridiculous it might seem. The more lists there are of movies I haven't seen or sometimes haven't even heard of, the better.

Now let's talk about removing all of the IMDb and AFI lists instead...

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Post by Nathan Treadway » January 22nd, 2019, 4:56 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
January 22nd, 2019, 4:31 pm
Now let's talk about removing all of the IMDb and AFI lists instead...
That's where I'd draw the line. I have platinum on all but 8 of the IMDb lists.

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Post by OldAle1 » January 22nd, 2019, 5:01 pm

Nathan Treadway wrote:
January 22nd, 2019, 4:56 pm
OldAle1 wrote:
January 22nd, 2019, 4:31 pm
Now let's talk about removing all of the IMDb and AFI lists instead...
That's where I'd draw the line. I have platinum on all but 8 of the IMDb lists.
Most people probably do. I have Plat or Gold on nearly all of them myself. But they're atrocious lists and they (the IMDb lists) change every fucking day lately, which to me is a lot more significant than how many people have so many checks on them. And the AFI lists are just dull and really don't represent anything interesting when it comes to American cinema.

Anyway I know it's never gonna happen, it's just my own prejudice, elitist snob asshole that I am.

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Post by rnilsson19 » January 22nd, 2019, 5:09 pm

I'm with OldAle, the Anthology list is ace, I've discovered so many gems thanks to it.

I like both the Ain't Nobody's Blues & TSPDT list but I think more great films have dropped off rather than been added in the last update.

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Post by WalterNeff » January 22nd, 2019, 5:14 pm

I think it's time to revive the discussion around the iCM Orphans List - films that fell off of Official Lists. Wouldn't apply to the IMDb lists, or lists with a cut-off, like the iCM 500<400, but would apply to wholesale changes like Ain't Nobody's Blues, or decommissioned lists like the recent Italian one.

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Post by joachimt » January 22nd, 2019, 7:49 pm

72allinncallme wrote:
January 22nd, 2019, 7:31 am
If we only get updates whenever Joachimt asks as a ‘btw’ every odd year than yeah, the Blues list is pretty pointless. If Bill is willing to give you annual updates then it’s a different mather.

So, in preffered order;
Ask if he is willing to give you you updates every year. If not, byebye Blues.
I don't mind asking Bill every year after he presented the TSPDT-update.
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Post by Gershwin » January 23rd, 2019, 10:41 am

I think you guys (list mods) should seriously ask yourselves what makes this list a better choice than a forum-generated Ain't Nobody's Blues. The strength of a list like TSPDT is that the combined votes of many random critics make for a solid selection. But there's absolutely nothing solid anymore about this list, especially since it's no longer '250 #1s from critics all over the world". Bill already recognized this three years ago, obviously, when he decided it was no longer worth publishing. I think it's ridiculous and disrespectful to publish a list the maker no longer seems worth publishing.
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Post by mjf314 » January 23rd, 2019, 10:55 am

Gershwin wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 10:41 am
But there's absolutely nothing solid anymore about this list, especially since it's no longer '250 #1s from critics all over the world".
It was never a list of 250 #1s. Most of the ballots are unranked, so we don't know which film is the critic's #1.

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Post by WalterNeff » January 23rd, 2019, 2:22 pm

Gershwin wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 10:41 am
I think you guys (list mods) should seriously ask yourselves what makes this list a better choice than a forum-generated Ain't Nobody's Blues...
I seriously asked myself, and myself said, Jeez, it's one list out of almost 200, chill out.

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Post by 72allinncallme » January 23rd, 2019, 3:33 pm

joachimt wrote:
January 22nd, 2019, 7:49 pm
72allinncallme wrote:
January 22nd, 2019, 7:31 am
If we only get updates whenever Joachimt asks as a ‘btw’ every odd year than yeah, the Blues list is pretty pointless. If Bill is willing to give you annual updates then it’s a different mather.

So, in preffered order;
Ask if he is willing to give you you updates every year. If not, byebye Blues.
I don't mind asking Bill every year after he presented the TSPDT-update.
Cool :)
I really loved some of the entries in the old version of the list, but annual updates makes the list more interesting imo.

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Post by Gershwin » January 23rd, 2019, 5:56 pm

WalterNeff wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 2:22 pm
Gershwin wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 10:41 am
I think you guys (list mods) should seriously ask yourselves what makes this list a better choice than a forum-generated Ain't Nobody's Blues...
I seriously asked myself, and myself said, Jeez, it's one list out of almost 200, chill out.
It is, but if you say that for twenty different lists it's already 10%. I know you're from the 'the more the merrier' school, so probably this doesn't really apply to you, but if one thinks there should be some basic requirements to the quality of lists, I don't see how similar lists can get or stay official.
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Post by WalterNeff » January 23rd, 2019, 6:08 pm

Gershwin wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 5:56 pm
WalterNeff wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 2:22 pm
Gershwin wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 10:41 am
I think you guys (list mods) should seriously ask yourselves what makes this list a better choice than a forum-generated Ain't Nobody's Blues...
I seriously asked myself, and myself said, Jeez, it's one list out of almost 200, chill out.
It is, but if you say that for twenty different lists it's already 10%. I know you're from the 'the more the merrier' school, so probably this doesn't really apply to you, but if one thinks there should be some basic requirements to the quality of lists, I don't see how similar lists can get or stay official.
But who is saying that for twenty different lists? Nice strawman. Let me know when we have a real problem. Meanwhile I will be looking for an even larger Noir list to make official.

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Post by OldAle1 » January 23rd, 2019, 6:14 pm

WalterNeff wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 6:08 pm
Meanwhile I will be looking for an even larger Noir list to make official.
Please, not until we at least have Top 2500 Westerns and Top 5000 Musicals lists. Fair is fair.

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Post by WalterNeff » January 23rd, 2019, 6:25 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 6:14 pm
WalterNeff wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 6:08 pm
Meanwhile I will be looking for an even larger Noir list to make official.
Please, not until we at least have Top 2500 Westerns and Top 5000 Musicals lists. Fair is fair.
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Post by Timec » January 23rd, 2019, 7:20 pm

On that note, a bigger musicals list would be fantastic. I'm just not sure if a good one exists. :turned:

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Post by Knaldskalle » January 23rd, 2019, 8:09 pm

Gershwin wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 10:41 am
But there's absolutely nothing solid anymore about this list, especially since it's no longer '250 #1s from critics all over the world".
It was never this. It's a list of movies that are unique, i.e. are on only one ballot out of all the ballots used for the TSPDT lists. So by its very nature it's a highly idiosyncratic list.
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Post by nimimerkillinen » January 24th, 2019, 5:50 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 6:14 pm
WalterNeff wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 6:08 pm
Meanwhile I will be looking for an even larger Noir list to make official.
Please, not until we at least have Top 2500 Westerns and Top 5000 Musicals lists. Fair is fair.
top 5000 for every genre would be cool but those genres id be probably interested the least :P

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Post by albajos » January 29th, 2019, 4:40 pm

Gräns won Guldbagge yesterday. Best film and 5 other Guldbagges

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Post by Nopros » January 29th, 2019, 6:00 pm

Nathan Treadway wrote:
January 21st, 2019, 8:15 pm
Making official lists unofficial is bad. MMMKAY?

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Post by xianjiro » January 30th, 2019, 9:25 am

WalterNeff wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 6:25 pm
OldAle1 wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 6:14 pm
WalterNeff wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 6:08 pm
Meanwhile I will be looking for an even larger Noir list to make official.
Please, not until we at least have Top 2500 Westerns and Top 5000 Musicals lists. Fair is fair.
So let it be written; so let it be done.
wait

before those, we need to make 1010101 Experimental Marvels official!

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Post by funkybusiness » January 30th, 2019, 9:32 am

Xian! Hi!

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Post by Nathan Treadway » January 30th, 2019, 9:44 am

xianjiro wrote:
January 30th, 2019, 9:25 am
WalterNeff wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 6:25 pm
OldAle1 wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 6:14 pm


Please, not until we at least have Top 2500 Westerns and Top 5000 Musicals lists. Fair is fair.
So let it be written; so let it be done.
wait

before those, we need to make 1010101 Experimental Marvels official!
Where the hell have you been?!

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Post by dirty_score » February 1st, 2019, 3:42 pm

In the same vein as "My Girl/My Girl 2" mistake, can anyone confirm if it's actually the 2nd Fast & Furious movie in the list and not the first?

Should https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6614620/ replace the shorts in the Paste Anime list?

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Post by joachimt » February 1st, 2019, 6:04 pm

dirty_score wrote:
February 1st, 2019, 3:42 pm
Should https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6614620/ replace the shorts in the Paste Anime list?
On first glance..... I think you're right. The source list this as one entry: "Sweet Punch". So it makes sense to put this as one entry on the list.

Mjf314, second opinion? You are most knowledgeable on this list.
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