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"Absolute Proof" wasn't even on ICM, so of course I had to add it. :P I'm debating whether to check it...I can't recall if I sat through the entire thing or not. I just remember every segment being some "expert" giving his "evidence" and then Lindell blankly reacting "Wowww."

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I can't figure out if Lindell is really as much of a moron as he sounds (after all, he built a mega-successful company), or if he's just cursed with a stereotypical "dumb guy" voice. I'm sure that AOC has this problem -- no matter what she says, haters call her stupid because she's burdened with a squeaky little teenybopper voice.
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I’m to remember every man I've seen fall into a plate of spaghetti???

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Updated. Thanks!
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New additions to The MoC list. All are part of the Early Universal Vol.1 box;
Skinner’s Dress Suit (dir. William A. Seiter, 1926)
The Shield of Honor (dir. Emory Johnson, 1927)
The Shakedown (dir. William Wyler, 1929)
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Aamir Khan flick PK (2014) crossed the 1500-check-threshold and enters 4 IMDb lists: Musical, Sci-fi, Comedy and 2010s.
Before, it lurked around the very bottom of the Top 250 for a while but hasn't been official since a year. Now it will stay. :geek:
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Torgo wrote: May 31st, 2021, 2:17 pm Aamir Khan flick PK (2014) crossed the 1500-check-threshold and enters 4 IMDb lists: Musical, Sci-fi, Comedy and 2010s.
Before, it lurked around the very bottom of the Top 250 for a while but hasn't been official since a year. Now it will stay. :geek:
4 lists huh? Not yet enough for me to break my no-more-Aamir-Khan rule.
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mysteryfan endorses it in his comment, if that makes you reconsider your rule.
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Torgo wrote: May 31st, 2021, 2:31 pm mysteryfan endorses it in his comment, if that makes you reconsider your rule.
I think not. To be fair, looking at my ratings, I see ol' Aamir doesn't fare as badly as I thought. But I get the impression that more of his films are going to be like 3 Idiots and fewer like Lagaan, so... even if I don't actively avoid, I'm sure not making any effort to see them. I'll stick to S. Ray and M. Kaul for most of my Indian fixes in the near future I think, and if I go for Bollywood stuff I'm going to be...choosy.
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F9 and Zhang Yimou's Cliff Walkers will become official when Joachim updates the ATWWBO list.
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Harco wrote: May 31st, 2021, 3:02 pm Zhang Yimou's Cliff Walkers
Hm, maybe you have information that isn't available to me now, but IMDB / Box Office Mojo shows Cliff to gross below 200 million so far?
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Cliff Walkers looks better than Yimou's previous effort at least. Bring it on.
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I watched PK earlier today to reclaim my platinums and I was thinking of OldAle’s quote the whole time :( absolute trash.
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I am definitely not working towards completing any of the IMDb lists that are littered with bogus bullshit.
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kongs_speech wrote: May 31st, 2021, 3:16 pm I am definitely not working towards completing any of the IMDb lists that are littered with bogus bullshit.
I'm afraid you triggered an Onderhond comment with that .. :innocent:
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One man's bogus trash is another man's treasure! And then there's me, who thinks everyone's treasure is bogus trash :ph43r:
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Torgo wrote: May 31st, 2021, 3:08 pm
Harco wrote: May 31st, 2021, 3:02 pm Zhang Yimou's Cliff Walkers
Hm, maybe you have information that isn't available to me now, but IMDB / Box Office Mojo shows Cliff to gross below 200 million so far?
The cutoff these days is somewhere around $170m; the $200m cutoff was from before the list was stretched to 1000 films.
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💡 Alright, I never realized that. The 200 million threshold is btw around the 830th rank, for those who're new to this as well. Even 175 million (#968) will not stay too long on the 1000 entries comprising list.


New entries will effectively kill Chinese Zodiac (#998) from the official canon, and soon John Wick 2 (#996), Spies in Disguise (#995) and Jackass 3D (#993). Others stay official due to better placements in the adjusted Box Office list.
A standout is Blood Diamond (#992), undoubtly a film of higher reputation than the others mentioned here; it sits on an 8.0 with more than half a million votes, but has no single other ICM list (also no IMDb genre). Poor Leo.

Next drop-offs with only 1 list are a bit further away (The Girl on the Train #982, Gemini Man #981, Operation Mekong #978, In Time #976) (Wow I REALLY have a Silver on this?).
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OldAle1 wrote: May 31st, 2021, 2:25 pm
Torgo wrote: May 31st, 2021, 2:17 pm Aamir Khan flick PK (2014) crossed the 1500-check-threshold and enters 4 IMDb lists: Musical, Sci-fi, Comedy and 2010s.
Before, it lurked around the very bottom of the Top 250 for a while but hasn't been official since a year. Now it will stay. :geek:
4 lists huh? Not yet enough for me to break my no-more-Aamir-Khan rule.
I was an extra for PK when they were shooting in Bruges, and I'm still not interested into seeing it :whistling: Great catering though!
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I'd be an extra on an Indian film in a second - at least if they were serving Indian food, and it was labelled (food allergies); no finer cuisine in the world IMO.
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I kinda liked 3 Idiots but PK is absolute garbage
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Torgo wrote: May 31st, 2021, 2:17 pm Aamir Khan flick PK (2014) crossed the 1500-check-threshold and enters 4 IMDb lists: Musical, Sci-fi, Comedy and 2010s.
Before, it lurked around the very bottom of the Top 250 for a while but hasn't been official since a year. Now it will stay. :geek:
There goes my Musical platinum award, which I only earned about 2 weeks ago :down: . My last film to complete the list was Dancer in the Dark. Now it will be...PK :(
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beasterne wrote: May 31st, 2021, 8:58 pm There goes my Musical platinum award, which I only earned about 2 weeks ago :down: . My last film to complete the list was Dancer in the Dark. Now it will be...PK :(
Yep, who would have ever thought that the IMDb Musical list features only 3 Bollywood musicals (though all at the very top) - the very genre they're notorious for and the element to make their films a patience test for common Western audiences; while the IMDb Top 50 Sport list consists of no less than seven Indian entries? (Again, all of them in the top 10; I'm beginning to sense a pattern here ..)


[edit]A rare species, those top-voted Indian / Bollywood musicals. :o
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PK? Sigh...
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flavo5000 wrote: May 31st, 2021, 9:27 pmPK? Sigh...
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Onderhond wrote: May 31st, 2021, 3:20 pm One man's bogus trash is another man's treasure! And then there's me, who thinks everyone's treasure is bogus trash :ph43r:
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OldAle1 wrote: May 31st, 2021, 2:25 pm
Torgo wrote: May 31st, 2021, 2:17 pm Aamir Khan flick PK (2014) crossed the 1500-check-threshold and enters 4 IMDb lists: Musical, Sci-fi, Comedy and 2010s.
Before, it lurked around the very bottom of the Top 250 for a while but hasn't been official since a year. Now it will stay. :geek:
4 lists huh? Not yet enough for me to break my no-more-Aamir-Khan rule.
It'll likely drop off two of them (comedy and 2010s) over time, since it's right around the bottom of those lists. It's probably here to stay on the musical and scifi lists, though.
Torgo wrote: May 31st, 2021, 5:00 pm A standout is Blood Diamond (#992), undoubtly a film of higher reputation than the others mentioned here; it sits on an 8.0 with more than half a million votes, but has no single other ICM list (also no IMDb genre). Poor Leo.
That will be a sad day indeed. While it was flirting with the bottom of the Top 250 list a few times, it never stuck, and I've always been surprised that this film never appeared on any other lists (most notably not even the TSPDT 21st C after it expanded to 1000 titles) until the BO expansion.
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beasterne wrote: May 31st, 2021, 8:58 pm There goes my Musical platinum award, which I only earned about 2 weeks ago :down: . My last film to complete the list was Dancer in the Dark. Now it will be...PK :(
Yep, who would have ever thought that the IMDb Musical list features only 3 Bollywood musicals (though all at the very top) - the very genre they're notorious for and the element to make their films a patience test for common Western audiences; while the IMDb Top 50 Sport list consists of no less than seven Indian entries? (Again, all of them in the top 10; I'm beginning to sense a pattern here ..)


[edit]A rare species, those top-voted Indian / Bollywood musicals. :o
My guess is most of the musicals haven't crossed the icm check threshold yet. Musicals need to hit 1500 checks (and 5000 votes), but Sports films only need to hit 400 checks (and 1000 votes) (and only 5/7 Indian films on the sports list are in the top 10 ;) ). Even with the lower thresholds, The Sports top 50 goes down to films rated 7.5, while the Musicals top 50 goes to 7.6.
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The notion that the musical part of Bollywood movies is what makes them a "patience test for Western audiences" is so strange to me. The musical part is what they're best at, really. In terms of Aamir Khan movies, it's the constant self-aggrandizment and moralizing that makes them tough to watch at times, and generally his acting.
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Teproc wrote: June 1st, 2021, 6:23 am The notion that the musical part of Bollywood movies is what makes them a "patience test for Western audiences" is so strange to me. The musical part is what they're best at, really. In terms of Aamir Khan movies, it's the constant self-aggrandizment and moralizing that makes them tough to watch at times, and generally his acting.
While I totally agree personally, I think that's a fair statement on behalf of most westerners - most people on this forum at any rate, and most film buffs I've known IRL frankly. Musicals have been a largely dead genre in the USA for about 50 years, and they are just not a popular or well-liked genre for most people outside of the south Asia anymore it seems. And if watching a 2 1/2 - 3 1/2 hour movie filled with songs and dances fills one with dread then adding Aamir Khan's posturing and self-absorption into the mix is just the last straw.
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OldAle1 wrote: June 1st, 2021, 12:19 pm
Teproc wrote: June 1st, 2021, 6:23 am The notion that the musical part of Bollywood movies is what makes them a "patience test for Western audiences" is so strange to me. The musical part is what they're best at, really.
While I totally agree personally, I think that's a fair statement on behalf of most westerners - most people on this forum at any rate, and most film buffs I've known IRL frankly.
Yo, this. Wasn't meant to be my personal analysis, really.
It's rarely the case that people see Bollywood films popping up at lists and go "Ugh, 3 hours of that .. BUT there are a couple of Indian singing and dance numbers along the way!" :shrug:
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Yeah, I don't know. I guess that's true on ICM, but in the world at large, I hear more of "Bollywood is crazy and fun, it's just a shame the films are such a mess/too long/socially conservative/whatever rather than "ugh, musicals".
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Please update the Amos Vogel list:

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Scheiss-Kerl (1969)
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Apu wrote: June 1st, 2021, 4:27 pm Please update the Amos Vogel list:

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Scheiss-Kerl (1969)
Do you propose only to add this title or also remove Sodoma? There's no feature for Sodoma on IMDb.
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Harco wrote: May 31st, 2021, 3:02 pm F9 and Zhang Yimou's Cliff Walkers will become official when Joachim updates the ATWWBO list.
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joachimt wrote: June 1st, 2021, 7:43 pm
Apu wrote: June 1st, 2021, 4:27 pm Please update the Amos Vogel list:

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Scheiss-Kerl (1969)
Do you propose only to add this title or also remove Sodoma? There's no feature for Sodoma on IMDb.
The passage in Amos Vogel definitely sounds like he's intending to include a feature called Sodoma that encompasses several "episodes" or shorts including Scheiss-Kerl. It's unclear though what the other episodes of what he considers Sodoma are. Is Sodoma as a short an episode of Sodoma the feature? Or is Sodoma the short the same thing as Scheiss-Kerl? I think more digging should be done on this one to sort it out. Not sure I wanna be the one to dig though :satstunned:
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Fergenaprido wrote: April 27th, 2021, 3:50 am
flavo5000 wrote: March 23rd, 2021, 3:00 pm Ok, so I've skimmed through the book and wanted to summarize what I think should be the proposed updates to the Asian Cinema list:
[*]Add Cowboy Bebop (1998) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0213338/)
It's in the index and given a paragraph in the book like many of the films already in the list.
[*]Add Godzilla (1954) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047034/)
In the index and given it's own mini-section
[*]Remove Gumnam (1954) and add Gumnaam (1965) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0247394/
I think this was just a simple case of adding the wrong movie.
[*]Add Kashmir Ki Kali (1964) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058257/
In the index and also discussed in a special section dedicated to actress Sharmila Tagore
[*]Add Memoirs of a Geisha https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0397535/
In the index and mentioned in two separate special sections discussing the actors Gong Li and Koji Yakusho
[*]Bu jian a.k.a. The Missing (2003) https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/bu+jian/
Not in the index but is discussed in a special section on Lee Kang-Sheng and given more of a write-up that some films on the list and in the index.

Iffy on these:
[*]Inuyasha (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0290223/)
It is in the index but is only mentioned in passing as a TV series for children. "Even series aimed at kids, like Inuyasha, feature labyrinthine plots that confound their elders."
[*]Green Hornet TV series (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059991/)
Also in the index but also just mentioned in passing in the section discussing Bruce Lee's career.
[*] Ringu: Final Chapter (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0235134/)
Not in the index but mention in the same section as the other Ringu sequels that are in the list
[*}Confession of Pain https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0834902/
Not in the index but briefly discussed in the section talking about Infernal Affairs
Thanks again for all of your work going through the book flavo!

I’ve updated the Asian Field Guide list.

Summary:
I didn’t add Ringu: Final Chapter because it’s not in the book (I've got a pdf version of the book now, and I double-checked and couldn't find that film anywhere).
Hey, was just looking back at old posts and wanted to mention real quick something on this one. If you look at the section on Ringu when it's listing the sequels it says ", a TV series" which is what Ringu: Final Chapter is. It's very easy to miss and one could mistake it as referencing Ringu 2 as a TV series instead of a separate thing. Also I'm fine with it not being included. I just brought it up as one that was technically not initially in the list but mentioned in the book.
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Fergenaprido wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 12:53 am
flavo5000 wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 6:19 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 5:58 pm

Could you share your sources? If we have news articles or other definitive information, I think that should be good enough to cite as a reason to update the list.

Old Enough is on the Sundance site, but it's listed in 1982 as a lab film: https://history.sundance.org/films/1708/old_enough (though that might still mean it screened in 1984 since Boys Don't Cry is listed as a lab film from 1997, but came out in 1999: https://history.sundance.org/films/3865/boys_dont_cry - yeah, it's listed in the 1984 festival later)
I was wrong, though, and Circle of Power isn't listed there.
Here's the award summary for the 1985 Festival: https://history.sundance.org/events/20
For 1984, though, no awards are mentioned: https://history.sundance.org/events/19
None of the earlier years have summaries at all.

I found this list on wikipedia of all award winners: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_S ... rd_winners
Each year (1984-present) is sourced to the Sundance.org award summary page for that year, but the 1984 link is the same blank one I shared above.

I found this list on wikipedia of all selected films (1978-present): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_S ... selections
Girlfriends is listed as the Jury Prize winner for the Regional Cinema Competition - I don't know if that's the same as the Grand Jury Prize Dramatic, as there are often multiple different jury prizes each year.
Spirit of the Wind is listed as the Grand Prize—Independent Film Competition - this sounds more comparable to Grand Jury Prize Dramatic.
No other films are listed as winners until 1985.
Here's the article on 1978: Chris Hicks Article
On 1979: Chick Hicks on 1979

Here was the source on 1982's Killer of Sheep:
Bottom of Page 97, top of 98
But yea, IMDB lists Circle of Power as the Grand Jury Winner/Dramatic. So I dunno. Maybe both won similar to 1981?

Ah ha! I found 1981's winners:
Roger Ebert on 1981
The top prize was shared by Richard Pearce's "Heartland" and Victor Nunez's "Gal Young Un" according to Roger Ebert himself who was a judge that year (Sayles' Return of the Secaucus Seven won 2nd prize if anyone's curious).

And here's 1983! Looks like IMDB itself has the winner of this one:
IMDB 1983 Utah/US Film Festival winner
Thanks flavo, much appreciated. The 1978, 1979, and 1981 sources all look fine to me. The 1982 source is a bit weird since the text on those two pages in the book don't seem to line up properly. Hopefully an additional source can be found. For 1983, I'd prefer an additional source to the imdb one before making the changes to the icm list. Oh, and the Old Enough source is good enough for me.

Also, curious that one of the 1981 winners had already been doing the festival circuit for a year or two. Different from nowadays when most Sundance films are premieres.

Updated Summary:

1978: Girlfriends (Claudia Weill)
1979: Spirit of the Wind (Ralph Liddle)
1980: No festival held this year
1981: Heartland (Richard Pearce) & Gal Young Un (Victor Nunez)
1982: Killer of Sheep? or Circle of Power?
1983: Purple Haze?
1984: Old Enough

Edit: Forgot about Ale's link. That one says "Charles Burnett’s Killer of Sheep first screened at the 1982 film festival, where it shared the Grand Jury Prize." Searching for Circle of Power turns up nothing though, so what did it share it with?
Also thought I'd come back to this and see if anyone had found out anything else about 1982/1983 for sure.
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