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Post by Ebbywebby » June 10th, 2020, 6:04 am

Cremaster 1: watched June, 2014
Cremaster 2: watched February, 2017
Cremaster 3: watched April, 2020
Cremaster 4: watched July, 2014
Cremaster 5: watched May, 2015

It took me almost six years to get through that damn thing. Would have taken much less time if I had *enjoyed* it....

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Post by PGonzalez » June 10th, 2020, 6:48 am

I can understand the inclusion of the cycle as a single check on the official lists and how the logic is comparable to that of Histoires du Cinéma (bar the difference of one being a cycle of films while the other is a video project) and Dog Star Man. Since it follows the same format, will you be doing the same with the Up series?

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Post by Tasselfoot » June 10th, 2020, 12:33 pm

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#3004

Post by dirty_score » June 11th, 2020, 8:41 am

dirty_score wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 10:40 am
:imdb: lists aren't updating, as well ICM favorites and most checked. What seems to be the problem?
Does Marijn know about this?

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Post by Fergenaprido » June 11th, 2020, 10:43 am

dirty_score wrote:
June 11th, 2020, 8:41 am
dirty_score wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 10:40 am
:imdb: lists aren't updating, as well ICM favorites and most checked. What seems to be the problem?
Does Marijn know about this?
Yes. He's looking into it :) Apparently imdb changed some things again, which is affecting the lists from updating. Don't know about the icm ones, though.

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Post by dirty_score » June 11th, 2020, 12:18 pm

:imdb: lists just got updated.. but following the source of any list outside of top250, it says they were updated one month ago :mw_confused:

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Post by Tasselfoot » June 11th, 2020, 4:05 pm

Along those lines, when was the last time the pool of films was updated for the IMDb lists? Mostly curious because of The Last Dance: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8420184/. I'd expect to see it near the top of either Doc or Mini-Series (not sure which) whenever it's added to the pool.

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Post by dirty_score » June 11th, 2020, 5:34 pm

And by some extent, to the Sports list.. but I never understood why Documentaries cannot spread to other genres like Animation.. :think:

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Post by Fergenaprido » June 11th, 2020, 6:07 pm

Tasselfoot wrote:
June 11th, 2020, 4:05 pm
Along those lines, when was the last time the pool of films was updated for the IMDb lists? Mostly curious because of The Last Dance: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8420184/. I'd expect to see it near the top of either Doc or Mini-Series (not sure which) whenever it's added to the pool.
The Last Dance would be eligible for the mini-series list, but not the doc list. It only has 215 checks at the moment; it needs to hit 400 before it will be eligible for the mini-series toplist. PA keeps the imdb lists that the filters are based on up-to-date on a regular basis (about once a month), so once TLD hits 400 checks, expect it to show up in the mini-series list unless it's imdb rating drops from 9.3 to 8.5.
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June 11th, 2020, 5:34 pm
And by some extent, to the Sports list.. but I never understood why Documentaries cannot spread to other genres like Animation.. :think:
Because that's the way it was done by imdb when they had the genre lists? :shrug: If my memory serves right, they've always excluded documentaries and shorts from the other genre lists, and restrict those to theatrical feature-length narrative films. I believe this mirrors the restrictions they have for their Top 250 list.

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Post by Tasselfoot » June 11th, 2020, 9:36 pm

Thanks Fergenaprido. Curious why Mini Series and not Doc? What's the difference there, given that OJ Made in America is on the Doc list (and not Mini Series). And both OJ and MJ are multi-part docu-series aired on ESPN. Why would one be a Doc and the other be a Mini-Series?

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Post by GruesomeTwosome » June 11th, 2020, 9:58 pm

Tasselfoot wrote:
June 11th, 2020, 9:36 pm
Thanks Fergenaprido. Curious why Mini Series and not Doc? What's the difference there, given that OJ Made in America is on the Doc list (and not Mini Series). And both OJ and MJ are multi-part docu-series aired on ESPN. Why would one be a Doc and the other be a Mini-Series?
Maybe O.J.: Made in America made the cut for the Doc list because it did get a (very limited) theatrical release, while The Last Dance didn’t? If being theatrically released is a necessity as Ferg seemed to allude to.
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Post by Fergenaprido » June 12th, 2020, 5:53 am

I believe that's the case, yes.

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Post by Ebbywebby » June 14th, 2020, 1:43 am

Was there an important update I missed?

Right now, I'm listed in the rankings with 5,540 checks. But if I sort my checks by # official lists, this indicates I actually have only 5,523!

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Post by Panunzio » June 16th, 2020, 9:08 am

So the Criterion list was updated, but the update didn't include the addition of the new World Cinema Project titles. Can these be added?

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 1:00 pm

Updated the MoC list. Only 1 new entry for the september lineup:
Heung Gong jai jo [Made In Hong Kong] (1997)

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Post by Ebbywebby » July 3rd, 2020, 7:32 pm

Panunzio wrote:
June 16th, 2020, 9:08 am
So the Criterion list was updated, but the update didn't include the addition of the new World Cinema Project titles. Can these be added?
Weren't they added awhile ago? "Pixote," etc.?

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Post by Lakigigar » July 3rd, 2020, 7:40 pm

joachimt wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 8:29 pm
FOK was just updated.
Who did it. I actually organized it, but i messed up heavily, because of a broken laptop... It still isn't fixed. It's driving me crazy literally, but i'm glad it is updated. I just felt insanely guilty about what happened to the fok! top 250. If i knew, it would take so long, i just would have lent someone's else's laptop.

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Post by joachimt » July 3rd, 2020, 8:14 pm

Lakigigar wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 7:40 pm
joachimt wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 8:29 pm
FOK was just updated.
Who did it. I actually organized it, but i messed up heavily, because of a broken laptop... It still isn't fixed. It's driving me crazy literally, but i'm glad it is updated. I just felt insanely guilty about what happened to the fok! top 250. If i knew, it would take so long, i just would have lent someone's else's laptop.
I think Gorro collected the lists from the FOK-thread and calculated the results.
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Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 4th, 2020, 12:10 pm

Ebbywebby wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 7:32 pm
Panunzio wrote:
June 16th, 2020, 9:08 am
So the Criterion list was updated, but the update didn't include the addition of the new World Cinema Project titles. Can these be added?
Weren't they added awhile ago? "Pixote," etc.?
They were added later and are in the list now

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Post by xianjiro » July 5th, 2020, 7:44 pm

BTW, a minor correction on BFI's 100 European Horror Films after I got a copy of the book.

#19 Danza macabra 1964 — a.k.a. Castle of Blood, in 2 top lists -- INCORRECT

#19 Horror Castle (1963) La vergine di Norimberga -- CORRECT

Given the nearness in dates and similarity of names, it's easy to see how the two were confused, but the book clearly includes La vergine di Norimberga (not Danza macabra though both films were official before and Danza remains official after thanks to TSZDT).

The Euro Horror list has been updated.
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Post by Nathan Treadway » July 7th, 2020, 2:12 am

Just curious, how did this end up on the 21st Century list and DTC?

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Post by Onderhond » July 7th, 2020, 5:18 am

It's a looong film. Some people love that, the ones who don't rarely watch them? Didn't think it was bad, but hardly a stand-out, not all that remarkable either.

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Post by jeroeno » July 7th, 2020, 5:54 am

I thought a film on the 21st century list was excluded from DtC ?

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Post by Fergenaprido » July 7th, 2020, 7:58 am

It was a new film added in the last update of the TSPDT 21stC list, so it should have been ineligible for the DTC update. Angel, can you check your master list and see what film should be added to the bottom to replace this film?

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Post by Onderhond » July 7th, 2020, 10:33 pm

Just a small question about the Criterion Collection. I know we have it as an official list at ICM, but sometimes I run into Criterion Collection covers of films that don't seem to be part of that list: Emotion

Is that part of a different Criterion "line"? Is the official list still missing titles? Any ideas?

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Post by max-scl » July 7th, 2020, 10:50 pm

It's an extra feature from the Criterion edition of Hausu(1977).

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Post by xianjiro » July 8th, 2020, 12:09 am

Well, Criterion also makes items available on their streaming channel that don't get physical releases - it's not uncommon for movies to come up when I search JustWatch and the only streaming option is Criterion Channel (but these aren't films included in the "Criterion Collection" or "Eclipse Collection").

My understanding is we are only including titles listed with spine numbers. I brought up the case of a couple "the complete films of ..." and discussion never went anywhere. These multi-movie sets occasionally include shorts as part of the complete set, but we've not been uniform in including such items. Can't remember which other set came up, but I believe one was the Jacques Tati set - not sure if any shorts were included or not, but I do know that while we have a rule, at times whoever updated that list might have assumed "shorts = extra features" and ignored the spine's billing of "complete works of ..." But this is the only example of items I considered missed on iCM's Criterion lists. (And I tracked CC spine numbers up until a couple years ago).

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Post by Onderhond » July 8th, 2020, 5:21 am

Thanks max-scl and xianjiro, that clears things up!


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Post by frbrown » July 11th, 2020, 12:29 am

First update in two months, and only 3 films added

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Post by Nathan Treadway » July 11th, 2020, 1:11 am

I was just looking at that link the other day, and was wondering when the next update was going to be.

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Post by WalterNeff » July 11th, 2020, 2:47 am

frbrown wrote:
July 11th, 2020, 12:29 am
First update in two months, and only 3 films added
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Post by Ebbywebby » July 11th, 2020, 2:58 am

And I'm only 197 checks away from a Bronze!

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Post by joachimt » July 11th, 2020, 6:10 am

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Post by Tasselfoot » July 12th, 2020, 12:31 pm

Nathan Treadway wrote:
April 29th, 2019, 7:12 pm
PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
April 9th, 2019, 6:20 am
maxwelldeux wrote:
April 9th, 2019, 6:13 am
Can I propose adding a footnote to the list description, just to clear up any confusion? Something like:

I'll add something. I'm not sure the wiki list is even correct, though.
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April 9th, 2019, 6:17 am
He makes it very clear that thi sis a retrospective on american movies before he became an active director. So anything mentioned in passing after the fact are not part of this anyway.

Following the book there wont be any grey areas. Everything there is given the proper amount of space.
He says that, but then he certainly talks a lot about Barry Lyndon. I've put in a request for the book, so we'll see.

Each of the post 1971 films is a capstone film:
The Godfather: gangsters
All That Jazz: Musicals
Unforgiven: Westerns
Indiana Jones TV series: special effects/illusions
Barry Lyndon: Iconoclasm

I don't know if/how they're represented in the book, but in the film they're each given a reasonable amount of weight.
I found my copy of the book, and made this list of all the films that are in the filmography of the book. All of them are already on the list. There's 7 films that are on the official list that aren't in the book.

-Cabiria
-1925 Studio Tour
-Gold Diggers of 1935
-It's a Great Feeling
-Directed by John Ford
-Godfather
-Young Indiana Jones
Was a decision ever made about this? Going back, this is the last post on the subject (that I could find). And then it got lost to Avengers and 63 Up.

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Post by jeroeno » July 12th, 2020, 3:39 pm

I would love to find out what he says about Young Indiana Jones because for the life of me I can't understand why that's on the list.

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Post by cinephage » Yesterday, 10:22 am

Tasselfoot wrote:
July 12th, 2020, 12:31 pm
Nathan Treadway wrote:
April 29th, 2019, 7:12 pm
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April 9th, 2019, 6:20 am

I'll add something. I'm not sure the wiki list is even correct, though.

He says that, but then he certainly talks a lot about Barry Lyndon. I've put in a request for the book, so we'll see.

Each of the post 1971 films is a capstone film:
The Godfather: gangsters
All That Jazz: Musicals
Unforgiven: Westerns
Indiana Jones TV series: special effects/illusions
Barry Lyndon: Iconoclasm

I don't know if/how they're represented in the book, but in the film they're each given a reasonable amount of weight.
I found my copy of the book, and made this list of all the films that are in the filmography of the book. All of them are already on the list. There's 7 films that are on the official list that aren't in the book.

-Cabiria
-1925 Studio Tour
-Gold Diggers of 1935
-It's a Great Feeling
-Directed by John Ford
-Godfather
-Young Indiana Jones
Was a decision ever made about this? Going back, this is the last post on the subject (that I could find). And then it got lost to Avengers and 63 Up.
Are you certain all the films in the documentary are in the book ? The wiki page is based on the documentary, not on the book that goes with it. Granted, there is a huge overlap among the two, but there could be room for minor references in the documentary, which the book does not mention. I will try and check this tonight or tomorrow...

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