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Re: Official lists updates

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Post by joachimt » December 18th, 2018, 12:42 pm

beavis wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 12:40 pm
maybe we should remove it... :whistling: :guns: tehe
Personally, I support this. :rolleyes:
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Post by cinephage » December 18th, 2018, 12:59 pm

joachimt wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 12:42 pm
beavis wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 12:40 pm
maybe we should remove it... :whistling: :guns: tehe
Personally, I support this. :rolleyes:
So this is where list moderators are bred... :think:
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Post by Gershwin » December 18th, 2018, 8:29 pm

It's lost all of its meaning, and I wonder if it will ever become a meaningful list again, so I'd support removal as well. And I'm not even a list moderator!
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#1725

Post by PeacefulAnarchy » December 18th, 2018, 10:43 pm

joachimt wrote:
December 18th, 2018, 12:28 pm
joachimt wrote:
December 16th, 2018, 3:48 pm
I just sent Bill some questions to clarify Gion matsuri. I'm pretty sure it should be removed, but maybe Bill knows by which title it should have been replaced if the list was still on his site.
Bill wrote:Hi Joachim,

Cheers for your email.

It was confirmed to me by someone close to Mr. Sotto that his 1992 Sight
& Sound vote related to the 1953 version of Gion Bayashi. Therefore, I
have amended my records to reflect this.

No, on reflection, the 1933 version should not have been included on
"Ain't Nobody's Blues".

I have no idea which film I would have included instead - at that
particular time.

Ain't Nobody's Blues does not 'exist' anymore!!

I'd guess that half the films on that original list would no longer even
meet the criteria. That is, they have now accrued more than just one
vote.

Best regards (and thanks for your interest in TSPDT), Bill
I just removed it from the list.

I'll ask Bill if he is interested in doing a new version of the list. I think the list as it is now, doesn't make sense, because many titles don't meet the criteria anymore.
Someone asked him about a new version either this year or last year when the main TSPDT list was revealed and he didn't seem interested.

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#1726

Post by albajos » December 19th, 2018, 8:58 am

I asked last year. But things can change.

But with an ever-expanding list pool the stuff only one would vote for would be extremely obscure.

(a year ago the list still existed on his site., but he had no link to it from the main site. Now, as you know, eveything is gone)

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#1727

Post by joachimt » December 19th, 2018, 4:29 pm

Hi Joachim,

Yes, it's definitely an outdated list. I checked, and about 120 films on
there no longer meet the criteria.

I haven't completely discounted re-doing it, even though it would be in
purely list-form only.

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Post by flaiky » December 19th, 2018, 8:03 pm

What does he mean by "in purely list-form only"?
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » December 19th, 2018, 8:07 pm

flaiky wrote:
December 19th, 2018, 8:03 pm
What does he mean by "in purely list-form only"?
Only a list, no extra work with images and pull quotes etc.

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#1730

Post by monclivie » December 26th, 2018, 10:00 am

When is this list - https://www.imdb.com/list/ls058832880/ - going to be updated? For example, A Star is Born and Bohemian Rhapsody passed the treshold weeks ago an would be in top 10 on the Music list.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » December 27th, 2018, 5:38 am

monclivie wrote:
December 26th, 2018, 10:00 am
When is this list - https://www.imdb.com/list/ls058832880/ - going to be updated? For example, A Star is Born and Bohemian Rhapsody passed the treshold weeks ago an would be in top 10 on the Music list.
I'll add those two manually now. I'll do a full update in a week or so. Currently without access to a computer.

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#1732

Post by Tim2460 » January 2nd, 2019, 4:59 pm

A quick question : Playing with the new official lists and excel I just realised the TSPDT top 100 Essantial Film Noir films ... Are the very exact first 100 of the TSPDT 1000 film noir official list ??

Is that supposed to be normal ? ,)

If so ??? let"s create the top 250 TSPDT Film noir list as well hehe

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Post by joachimt » January 2nd, 2019, 5:56 pm

Tim2460 wrote:
January 2nd, 2019, 4:59 pm
A quick question : Playing with the new official lists and excel I just realised the TSPDT top 100 Essantial Film Noir films ... Are the very exact first 100 of the TSPDT 1000 film noir official list ??

Is that supposed to be normal ? ,)

If so ??? let"s create the top 250 TSPDT Film noir list as well hehe
That's a legacy-thing. There used to be a Quintessential Noir list of 250 titles (I think it was 250...) and a More Noirs list of 1000 titles. The source made a new list slowly revealing everything. It started with 100 essential noirs and then slowly additional titles were added to reach 1000 titles at some point. We discussed three options:
1. Essentials as top 100 list and the rest as other list. That would mean the long list will reach 900 titles in the end.
2. One list for everything. That would mean losing a shorter list for starters.
3. Essentials as top 100 and all movies in the big list.

Because it replaced two lists, we decided to have two lists and went for option 3. Because 100 titles are highlighted, it seems fair to have a separate list for those as well. If you look at the total number of official lists a movie is on, it's true those titles have an advantage of 1, because they get 2 for 1. I can live with that.......
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Post by tobias » January 9th, 2019, 7:20 am

OldAle1 wrote:
December 4th, 2018, 4:42 pm
Cahiers has always had a weird relationship with American cinema though. I mean, if you look at their decade lists, Carlito's Way is tied for #1 of the 1990s, and War of the Worlds is in their top 10 for the 2000s. Not that I'm slamming those movies in particular (haven't seen the DePalma in fact), but I don't think you'd find much critical consensus placing them among the best of an entire decade of the cinema of the whole world. I'm sure other critical bodies would have similar strange biases as well, it's just that the Cahiers list is official so we all notice it.
Late reply but you really should. It's his best film tied with maybe Phantom of the Paradise in my mind. It's essentially what Godfather 3 tried to be but never quite achieved. Also it's nothing like Scarface (which I think isn't all that good).

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Post by tobias » January 9th, 2019, 7:26 am

Also any updates on what's the plan with the TSPDT top 1001-2000?

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Post by joachimt » January 9th, 2019, 1:36 pm

tobias wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 7:26 am
Also any updates on what's the plan with the TSPDT top 1001-2000?
Last time we discussed it the different moderators had different opinion, if I remember correctly. I guess we'll discuss it again in the next adoption round. We won't simply expand the current list (I think...)
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Post by Nathan Treadway » January 9th, 2019, 2:00 pm

joachimt wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 1:36 pm
tobias wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 7:26 am
Also any updates on what's the plan with the TSPDT top 1001-2000?
Last time we discussed it the different moderators had different opinion, if I remember correctly. I guess we'll discuss it again in the next adoption round. We won't simply expand the current list (I think...)
That would be... Disastrous!

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Post by tommy_leazaq » January 9th, 2019, 5:37 pm

Why extend when you can make it as a separate list..

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Post by dirty_score » January 9th, 2019, 6:26 pm

Or better yet, let it stay unofficial!

Rotten Tomatoes list needs an update, it's been a month now! Official checks for Won't You Be My Neighbor? and The Death of Stalin.

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Post by joachimt » January 9th, 2019, 7:26 pm

Nathan Treadway wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 2:00 pm
joachimt wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 1:36 pm
tobias wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 7:26 am
Also any updates on what's the plan with the TSPDT top 1001-2000?
Last time we discussed it the different moderators had different opinion, if I remember correctly. I guess we'll discuss it again in the next adoption round. We won't simply expand the current list (I think...)
That would be... Disastrous!
What would be? Expanding? Or not expanding?
tommy_leazaq wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 5:37 pm
Why extend when you can make it as a separate list..
I just said we won't expand. I too think it should be a separate list.
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Post by Nathan Treadway » January 10th, 2019, 1:11 am

Expanding. I can't see any benefit to doing that, and the potential backlash from it would be a huge nightmare. My comment was basically a joke, as I'm sure it's never really occurred or seriously considered to make it one big list, has it?

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » January 10th, 2019, 1:23 am

dirty_score wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 6:26 pm
Or better yet, let it stay unofficial!

Rotten Tomatoes list needs an update, it's been a month now! Official checks for Won't You Be My Neighbor? and The Death of Stalin.
Huh, they must have finally changed something. It's been a pretty static list since they stopped allowing new films to be eligible last January. I'll update in a bit.

Edit: Done. Big update, not necessarily good update. 18 of the top 100 movies in the last 18 months makes you go hmmm.

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Post by monclivie » January 10th, 2019, 12:22 pm

I wonder what is their "adjusted score" formula, because the order of this list doesn't make any sense. Some lower ranked and less popular movies are higer :blink:

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Post by tourdesb » January 10th, 2019, 1:43 pm

Lost my gold award on Rotten Tomatoes. I'm not looking forward to regain it, it starts to look like the Box-Office list.
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Post by zuma » January 10th, 2019, 2:28 pm

tourdesb wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 1:43 pm
Lost my gold award on Rotten Tomatoes. I'm not looking forward to regain it, it starts to look like the Box-Office list.
Agreed. It is pretty repulsive.

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Post by ChrisReynolds » January 10th, 2019, 4:00 pm

I don't know if anybody has seen the new post at 366 Weird Movies, but there's information as to what will happen to the future of the site when the list is completed with the next film. They're going to start slowly adding films to another list of 366 weird films and assigning an official day of the year to each of the 366 films currently in the list.

Is there a consensus as to whether these second 366 films will be added to our current list or we stick at 366? (I would vote we stick with the 366). And will the current ordering be rearranged to reflect this "day of the year" ordering?

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Post by sol » January 10th, 2019, 4:05 pm

ChrisReynolds wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 4:00 pm
Is there a consensus as to whether these second 366 films will be added to our current list or we stick at 366? (I would vote we stick with the 366).
:down: :down: :down: :down: :down:

One of my favourite things each week is checking the site to see what else they have added. I see no problem with 366 Weird being an infinite list. It's more of the most eccentric, delightful and unusual lists out there.
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Post by Nathan Treadway » January 10th, 2019, 4:22 pm

There's just something completely weird about having more than 366 films on that list. It just fits.

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Post by max-scl » January 10th, 2019, 4:35 pm

What a joke the Rotten Tomatos list has become! Disgusting

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Post by tobias » January 10th, 2019, 4:53 pm

I am disgusted at y'all's disgust.

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Post by nimimerkillinen » January 10th, 2019, 4:59 pm

Nathan Treadway wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 4:22 pm
There's just something completely weird about having more than 366 films on that list. It just fits.
yes! 1000%

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Post by 72allinncallme » January 10th, 2019, 5:01 pm

Nathan Treadway wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 4:22 pm
There's just something completely weird about having more than 366 films on that list. It just fits.
Wouldn’t that justify adding more entries?

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Post by nimimerkillinen » January 10th, 2019, 5:02 pm

never really paid attention to rotten tomatoes list, would be curious about top 1000, 500 or 250 of it tho

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Post by nimimerkillinen » January 10th, 2019, 5:02 pm

72allinncallme wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 5:01 pm
Nathan Treadway wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 4:22 pm
There's just something completely weird about having more than 366 films on that list. It just fits.
Wouldn’t that justify adding more entries?
yea, adding them to the original or new list, either would be awesome :thumbsup:

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Post by flaiky » January 10th, 2019, 7:17 pm

Any list that is regularly updated is a good list, we definitely shouldn't cap 366 Weird Movies IMO. Just keep updating the current list - there can be an explanation in the summary explaining that the website is on 'round 2'. It's fine.

I've always thought a Metacritic top 100 list would be way better than RT. The latter should probably still stay, as I'm sure it's popular with the average ICM user, but I would like to see Metacritic become official some day. Their scoring system is much better.
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Post by Ebbywebby » January 10th, 2019, 9:47 pm

366 Weird could become the onnnnnly list where its tally of films doesn't match the number in the list's title.

Yeah, right. ;)

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Post by Ebbywebby » January 11th, 2019, 5:56 pm

And "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari" becomes Weird film #366. They said something on Facebook about sandbagging a few obvious ones until the end....

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Post by Ebbywebby » January 15th, 2019, 10:39 pm

New Criterion films?

Police Story, Police Story 2, My Brilliant Career, Diamonds of the Night, A Face in the Crowd

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » January 15th, 2019, 11:24 pm

Ebbywebby wrote:
January 15th, 2019, 10:39 pm
New Criterion films?

Police Story, Police Story 2, My Brilliant Career, Diamonds of the Night, A Face in the Crowd
updated

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