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Post by allisoncm » June 28th, 2014, 5:37 pm

WalterNeff on Jun 28 2014, 11:36:49 AM wrote:
allisoncm on Jun 28 2014, 10:32:36 AM wrote:
nymets138 on Jun 27 2014, 10:45:28 PM wrote:Nice. Glad you were able to see it at least. Less than a month away from our ICM meeting of the minds! Definitely excited to sit through eight hours of George Stevens WWII Footage with you guys.
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I hope there's wifi in the LOC so I can post my check the nanosecond the movie is finished. As well as check my work email.
If I remember correctly, I think there is.

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Post by joachimt » June 28th, 2014, 5:43 pm

WalterNeff on Jun 28 2014, 11:36:49 AM wrote:
allisoncm on Jun 28 2014, 10:32:36 AM wrote:
nymets138 on Jun 27 2014, 10:45:28 PM wrote:Nice. Glad you were able to see it at least. Less than a month away from our ICM meeting of the minds! Definitely excited to sit through eight hours of George Stevens WWII Footage with you guys.
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I hope there's wifi in the LOC so I can post my check the nanosecond the movie is finished. As well as check my work email.
Or you can check it Armo-style. :P
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Post by Armoreska » June 28th, 2014, 6:02 pm

joachimt on Jun 28 2014, 11:43:50 AM wrote:
WalterNeff on Jun 28 2014, 11:36:49 AM wrote:
allisoncm on Jun 28 2014, 10:32:36 AM wrote: :thumbsup:
I hope there's wifi in the LOC so I can post my check the nanosecond the movie is finished. As well as check my work email.
Or you can check it Armo-style. :P
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Post by WalterNeff » July 22nd, 2014, 11:07 pm

3/4 of the George Stevens Footage watched. I feel an itching in my checking finger. Fortunately I was able to treat it with a check for Lady Helen's Escapade.

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Post by Knaldskalle » July 22nd, 2014, 11:38 pm

But is it worth the time to sit down and watch everything?
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Post by WalterNeff » July 22nd, 2014, 11:49 pm

Knaldskalle on Jul 22 2014, 05:38:22 PM wrote:But is it worth the time to sit down and watch everything?
Is a check worth it?

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Post by Knaldskalle » July 23rd, 2014, 12:02 am

WalterNeff on Jul 22 2014, 05:49:32 PM wrote:
Knaldskalle on Jul 22 2014, 05:38:22 PM wrote:But is it worth the time to sit down and watch everything?
Is a check worth it?
Sometimes, no. That's why I'm asking if it's worth the time put into it. Is the footage interesting or is it a slog to get through?
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Post by WalterNeff » July 23rd, 2014, 12:16 am

Knaldskalle on Jul 22 2014, 06:02:13 PM wrote:
WalterNeff on Jul 22 2014, 05:49:32 PM wrote:
Knaldskalle on Jul 22 2014, 05:38:22 PM wrote:But is it worth the time to sit down and watch everything?
Is a check worth it?
Sometimes, no. That's why I'm asking if it's worth the time put into it. Is the footage interesting or is it a slog to get through?
a bit of both

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Post by allisoncm » July 23rd, 2014, 12:32 am

I wish the footage had been editing down a little bit, but there is still some very good surprises.

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Post by allisoncm » July 23rd, 2014, 3:45 pm

George Stevens World War II Footage (1946) - completed

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Post by nymets138 » July 26th, 2014, 5:11 pm

After seeing the films at the LOC here are a few observations:

The George Stevens WWII Footage is definitely worth checking out. Yes it is eight hours long and there is some repetition (especially when comparing the B&W and color footage), however I think the pros out way the cons. You see a lot of the daily life of the allied soldiers. You see them bathing, shaving, eating and interacting with one another. There is a lot of wine drinking and the kissing of French maidens. Plus you get to see Patton, Bradley, Montgomery, and Eisenhower. There is some battle footage from D-Day and aftermath. A lot of troops moving through France and Germany. In Berlin you see some of the interaction with Russian troops which seems to show the uneasy lack of trust between the American/British and Russians. Then there is the concentration camp footage, which does lose a little of its power in color as opposed to B&W but it also seems more real. It's too bad that there isn't any sound, as there were several interviews where it would have been nice to hear what was said. I'm not sure if the sound has been lost or it just was never synced up with the video.

The Revenge of Pancho Villa was several films thrown together and for the most part contains bilingual intertitles. There were a few examples of just Spanish intertitles but they were easy enough to pause and translate. However, the film abruptly ends right before the U.S. Army arrives to confront Villa. I am not sure if the rest of the film is lost or not. It ends with a "continued" intertitle. The runtime was about 46 minutes. The librarians confirmed that this was all the footage that the LOC has...so until someone finds the ending in their attic, that's all there is.

Verbena Tragica was shot both in English (Tragic Festival) and Spanish. However, the version selected for the LOC was definitely the Spanish version, and this is what we watched. This is what they carry and it makes sense because the English version really wouldn't be "culturally" significant. I am not sure if they were shot with different casts (like the English and Spanish Dracula (1931)). It would be interesting to compare the two if the English version surfaces at some point.

Lady Helen's Escapade is typical Griffith and was a treat to see but nothing really special.

The print of Stark Love at the LOC is the restored version that has been shown at MOMA and looked beautiful.

The Forgotten Frontier was a good companion piece dealing with nurses/health care in the Appalachian areas.

Continuing that trend was Heroes All, which dealt with WWI veterans with artificial limbs and the care provided by the Red Cross.

Commandment Keeper Church is the full 43 minute version, which once again would have benefited from sound but was still a great glimpse into the life and times of the community.

Also the librarian was able to find out that the LOC is negotiating with the Martha Graham Foundation to acquire copies of all four films: Appalachian Spring (1944), Heretic (1931), Frontier (1936) and Lamentation (1943). They aren't sure when this will happen but hopefully in the near future. However, they do have a copy of Frontier now. Unfortunately it wasn't able to be digitized in time for us to watch. Technically in a version released in 1986 but it is the exact same video as the 1936 version, just with a soundtrack added. So all you would have to do is turn the volume off and it would be the original version.

Lastly, does anyone know where we can supposedly download the full version of Jeffries-Johnson World's Championship Boxing Contest, Held at Reno, Nevada, July 4, 1910? I saw that multiple people have checked it but it isn't available at any site I could find. Also the LOC does not have a complete copy, they only have clips.


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Post by Knaldskalle » July 26th, 2014, 10:40 pm

nymets138 on Jul 26 2014, 11:11:44 AM wrote:The print of Stark Love at the LOC is the restored version that has been shown at MOMA and looked beautiful.
Did someone remember to stomp Walter's foot when you saw Stark Love? It's kind of a tradition... :whistling:
Also the librarian was able to find out that the LOC is negotiating with the Martha Graham Foundation to acquire copies of all four films: Appalachian Spring (1944), Heretic (1931), Frontier (1936) and Lamentation (1943). They aren't sure when this will happen but hopefully in the near future. However, they do have a copy of Frontier now. Unfortunately it wasn't able to be digitized in time for us to watch. Technically in a version released in 1986 but it is the exact same video as the 1936 version, just with a soundtrack added. So all you would have to do is turn the volume off and it would be the original version.
Cool! I'm relieved to know that it wasn't a case of LoC confusing one version of the dance with another (the 1950's one) and insisting the wrong one was the correct one. Hopefully I'll get to go next time...! :)
Lastly, does anyone know where we can supposedly download the full version of Jeffries-Johnson World's Championship Boxing Contest, Held at Reno, Nevada, July 4, 1910? I saw that multiple people have checked it but it isn't available at any site I could find. Also the LOC does not have a complete copy, they only have clips.
HBO PPV? Isn't that where boxing usually happens? ;)

I'm kinda jellis, I've been wanting to see the George Stevens footage for a while and I think a trip to the LoC to watch a bunch of these is really cool.
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Post by nymets138 » July 28th, 2014, 10:05 pm

There's also a photo out there of the three of us. Maybe it'll surface soon...

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Post by Knaldskalle » July 29th, 2014, 2:22 am

nymets138 on Jul 28 2014, 04:05:50 PM wrote:There's also a photo out there of the three of us. Maybe it'll surface soon...
Allison posted one, but I forget which thread...
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Post by WalterNeff » July 29th, 2014, 2:50 am

Knaldskalle on Jul 28 2014, 08:22:47 PM wrote:
nymets138 on Jul 28 2014, 04:05:50 PM wrote:There's also a photo out there of the three of us. Maybe it'll surface soon...
Allison posted one, but I forget which thread...
It's here http://www.icmforum.comsingle/?p=8459807&t=7351274

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Post by nymets138 » November 25th, 2014, 9:30 pm

The Library at Duke University finally put up the full length version of https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/kannapolis+n.c./. The two previously available links were only about 44 minutes of the over two hours of footage. It is in three parts:

part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6ZZFLMA468

part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2Qo0vxha20

part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3zkiAsOWKw

Now we don't have to make a trip to NC.
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Post by monty » November 25th, 2014, 10:24 pm

nymets138 on Nov 25 2014, 02:30:40 PM wrote:The Library at Duke University finally put up the full length version of https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/kannapolis+n.c./. The two previously available links were only about 44 minutes of the over two hours of footage. It is in three parts:

part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6ZZFLMA468

part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2Qo0vxha20

part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3zkiAsOWKw

Now we don't have to make a trip to NC.
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Post by WalterNeff » November 27th, 2014, 5:53 am

But we can still go to Rochester!

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Post by WalterNeff » December 17th, 2014, 4:09 pm

The 2014 selections have been announced:

Bert Williams Lime Kiln Club Field Day (1913)
The Big Lebowski (1998)
Down Argentine Way (1940)
The Dragon Painter (1919)
Felicia (1965)
Ferris Bueller’s Day Off (1986)
The Gang’s All Here (1943)
House of Wax (1953)
Into the Arms of Strangers: Stories of the Kindertransport (2000)
Little Big Man (1970)
Luxo Jr. (1986)
Moon Breath Beat (1980)
Please Don’t Bury Me Alive! (1976)
The Power and the Glory (1933)
Rio Bravo (1959)
Rosemary’s Baby (1968)
Ruggles of Red Gap (1935)
Saving Private Ryan (1998)
Shoes (1916)
State Fair (1933)
13 Lakes (2004)
Unmasked (1917)
V-E +1 (1945)
The Way of Peace (1947)
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (1971)

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/mo ... story.html

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Post by WalterNeff » December 17th, 2014, 4:30 pm

Looks like these need to be added to IMDb and then to iCM:

Bert Williams Lime Kiln Club Field Day (1913)
Felicia (1965)
Moon Breath Beat (1980)
V-E +1 (1945)

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Post by Cippenham » December 17th, 2014, 7:07 pm

Thanks Walter - I added a few links on Icheckmovies and found the last but one film The Way of Peace is an 18 minute short on Youtube;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJYc5sbyZYs
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Post by joachimt » December 17th, 2014, 8:02 pm

WalterNeff on Dec 17 2014, 09:30:22 AM wrote:Looks like these need to be added to IMDb and then to iCM:

Bert Williams Lime Kiln Club Field Day (1913)
Felicia (1965)
Moon Breath Beat (1980)
V-E +1 (1945)
Will you inform the guys about the update?
Are you going to add those movies to IMDB or do you need help?
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Post by Armoreska » December 17th, 2014, 8:11 pm

The other shorts are
Luxor Jr and Unmasked (unavailable?)
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Post by WalterNeff » December 17th, 2014, 8:35 pm

joachimt on Dec 17 2014, 01:02:02 PM wrote:
WalterNeff on Dec 17 2014, 09:30:22 AM wrote:Looks like these need to be added to IMDb and then to iCM:

Bert Williams Lime Kiln Club Field Day (1913)
Felicia (1965)
Moon Breath Beat (1980)
V-E +1 (1945)
Will you inform the guys about the update?
Are you going to add those movies to IMDB or do you need help?
I won't have the bandwidth to add to IMDb until next week, so if you could do it, or coordinate, that would be great. I will let the guys know. I think I will alert them, and then give them the go ahead once all the films are added - does that make sense?

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Post by joachimt » December 17th, 2014, 9:13 pm

WalterNeff on Dec 17 2014, 01:35:56 PM wrote:
joachimt on Dec 17 2014, 01:02:02 PM wrote:
WalterNeff on Dec 17 2014, 09:30:22 AM wrote:Looks like these need to be added to IMDb and then to iCM:

Bert Williams Lime Kiln Club Field Day (1913)
Felicia (1965)
Moon Breath Beat (1980)
V-E +1 (1945)
Will you inform the guys about the update?
Are you going to add those movies to IMDB or do you need help?
I won't have the bandwidth to add to IMDb until next week, so if you could do it, or coordinate, that would be great. I will let the guys know. I think I will alert them, and then give them the go ahead once all the films are added - does that make sense?
Sure! Inform the guys when everything is added to IMDB and ICM.

I'll start with Bert Williams. Anyone helping?
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Post by joachimt » December 17th, 2014, 9:26 pm

I think someone was already doing it:
http://www.imdb.com/find?ref_=nv_sr_fn& ... +Day&s=all
Link doesn't work yet, but I guess it will work within two days.
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Post by joachimt » December 17th, 2014, 9:41 pm

I started adding Felicia.
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Post by allisoncm » December 17th, 2014, 10:04 pm

Sad that they didn't include Museum Highlights (the Andrea Fraser short), but there's always next year.

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Post by joachimt » December 17th, 2014, 10:06 pm

I'm done with Felicia. Have some other stuff to do now. I might continu tomorrow of no-one else does.
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Post by joachimt » December 17th, 2014, 10:55 pm

Armoreska on Dec 17 2014, 01:11:06 PM wrote:Unmasked (unavailable?)
I can't find it either.
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Post by Armoreska » December 17th, 2014, 11:23 pm

Here's a link for Moon Breath Beat short
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em3HUl83VOQ

The other two have already been added to IMDb, Joachimt

Is there a link for V=E+1?
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Post by joachimt » December 17th, 2014, 11:34 pm

Armoreska on Dec 17 2014, 04:23:13 PM wrote:Here's a link for Moon Breath Beat short
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em3HUl83VOQ

The other two have already been added to IMDb, Joachimt

Is there a link for V=E+1?
Good, saves me some time.

I can't even find a runtime for "V-E +1".
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Post by Armoreska » December 17th, 2014, 11:46 pm

joachimt on Dec 17 2014, 04:34:36 PM wrote:
Armoreska on Dec 17 2014, 04:23:13 PM wrote:Here's a link for Moon Breath Beat short
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em3HUl83VOQ

The other two have already been added to IMDb, Joachimt

Is there a link for V=E+1?
Good, saves me some time.

I can't even find a runtime for "V-E +1".
we'll see if the person who added it did
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Post by Cippenham » December 18th, 2014, 1:13 am

I found about Unmasked:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0891607/

Unmasked. Dir.: Grace Cunard, Francis Ford (Rex Motion Picture Co./Universal Mfg. Co. US 1917) cas.: Grace Cunard, Francis Ford, si, b&w, 1 reel. Archive: USR.

https://wfpp.cdrs.columbia.edu/pioneer/ ... ce-cunard/

USR is George Eastman House/Motion Pictures Department

http://www.eastmanhouse.org/

http://www.eastmanhouse.org/media/pdf/a ... m.list.pdf
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » December 18th, 2014, 8:21 am

Here's a long article about Fuller's V-E +1 http://etd.lib.ncsu.edu/publications/bi ... .2/2104/1/
I'm guessing it's between 20 and 30 minutes but it's unclear to me from skimming just what comprises the film. There's a documentary about it, with footage from the film, on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DujN3Aj8qpY This doc has its own imdb entry http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0384093/reference

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Post by Armoreska » December 18th, 2014, 9:18 am

PeacefulAnarchy on Dec 18 2014, 01:21:46 AM wrote:Here's a long article about Fuller's V-E +1 http://etd.lib.ncsu.edu/publications/bi ... .2/2104/1/
I'm guessing it's between 20 and 30 minutes but it's unclear to me from skimming just what comprises the film. There's a documentary about it, with footage from the film, on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DujN3Aj8qpY This doc has its own imdb entry http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0384093/reference
thanks, IMDb review says all of 21 minutes is in this, but that's the short version on YT, the full version's on KG/CG
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Post by joachimt » December 18th, 2014, 9:53 pm

Armoreska on Dec 18 2014, 02:18:20 AM wrote:
PeacefulAnarchy on Dec 18 2014, 01:21:46 AM wrote:Here's a long article about Fuller's V-E +1 http://etd.lib.ncsu.edu/publications/bi ... .2/2104/1/
I'm guessing it's between 20 and 30 minutes but it's unclear to me from skimming just what comprises the film. There's a documentary about it, with footage from the film, on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DujN3Aj8qpY This doc has its own imdb entry http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0384093/reference
thanks, IMDb review says all of 21 minutes is in this, but that's the short version on YT, the full version's on KG/CG
Is there a rip of the 52min-version somewhere? The DVDR on KG is the full version, but the rip on KG is only 34 min. SMz only has the short version.
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Post by joachimt » December 18th, 2014, 10:37 pm

WalterNeff on Dec 17 2014, 09:30:22 AM wrote:Looks like these need to be added to IMDb and then to iCM:

Bert Williams Lime Kiln Club Field Day (1913)
Felicia (1965)
Moon Breath Beat (1980)
V-E +1 (1945)
Here are the links. You can inform the guys of all the additions.

Lime Kiln Club Field Day (1913) - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4288356/
Felicia (1965) – http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4289014/
Moon Breath Beat (1980) - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4288306/
V-E +1 (1945) - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4288342/
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Post by Cippenham » December 18th, 2014, 11:53 pm

joachimt on Dec 18 2014, 02:53:46 PM wrote:
Armoreska on Dec 18 2014, 02:18:20 AM wrote:
PeacefulAnarchy on Dec 18 2014, 01:21:46 AM wrote:Here's a long article about Fuller's V-E +1 http://etd.lib.ncsu.edu/publications/bi ... .2/2104/1/
I'm guessing it's between 20 and 30 minutes but it's unclear to me from skimming just what comprises the film. There's a documentary about it, with footage from the film, on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DujN3Aj8qpY This doc has its own imdb entry http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0384093/reference
thanks, IMDb review says all of 21 minutes is in this, but that's the short version on YT, the full version's on KG/CG
Is there a rip of the 52min-version somewhere? The DVDR on KG is the full version, but the rip on KG is only 34 min. SMz only has the short version.
There IS apparently the 52 minute version also on KG

Emil Weiss - Falkenau, the Impossible aka Samuel Fuller temoigne (1988

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It's the 1988 52' version, not the 34'
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