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Post by 1SO » May 5th, 2020, 5:20 pm

Onderhond wrote:
May 5th, 2020, 1:02 pm
Am I the only one not scared about losing a reward? :D
I'm not. I'm more enthused about watching a film off the main list than 1001-2000. Based on last year's changes, I should have about 50 films to look forward to.

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Post by mightysparks » May 5th, 2020, 11:38 pm

Well I’m not really scared of losing the award but what started this whole project was that I wanted a good list of recommendations so I like to keep up to date with them..
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Post by mightysparks » May 6th, 2020, 12:57 am

mightysparks wrote:
May 5th, 2020, 12:50 pm
1SO wrote:
May 5th, 2020, 4:06 am
Did you happen to notice any new entries that weren't even on 1001-2000 last time, aside from 2019 releases?
I don’t have a list to check that but I’ll make one later and let you know
Only 1 that isn't a 2019 release.
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Post by 1SO » May 6th, 2020, 2:12 pm

Thanks. Can't wait to see the results of all your hard work.

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Post by flavo5000 » May 6th, 2020, 10:34 pm

Onderhond wrote:
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Am I the only one not scared about losing a reward? :D
Oh, I'm not scared at all. The opposite actually. I like seeing movies pop up I haven't seen yet. Like mighty, I see it as a recommendation of something potential interesting to watch I might not have prioritized otherwise. I don't really pay much attention to the ICM rankings actually. If I did, I'd just go binge all the official shorts I haven't seen, but I don't really feel like doing that. I can only handle so much experimental nonsense or static shots of people walking across a road for ten minutes in one sitting. :D

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Post by flavo5000 » May 6th, 2020, 10:37 pm

Onderhond wrote:
May 5th, 2020, 1:43 pm
The problem with the interesting horror films of late is that they seem to be dumped on pretty badly, both by critics as well as audiences. A guy like Oz Perkins definitely deserves a spot in the list, but 'm afraid we'll have to wait until he dies in order for him to be rediscovered.

I just hope it's not just the same A24-ish horror that dominates the more recent years.
Eh, that's just the way it goes. I'm just glad I was able to see the visually stunning Gretel & Hansel in a theater even if most people didn't. Plus A24 releases good horror movies too. They certainly have a better track record than Blumhouse (although even Blumhouse isn't all bad... not like The Asylum or something).

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Post by Onderhond » May 6th, 2020, 10:48 pm

flavo5000 wrote:
May 6th, 2020, 10:37 pm
Eh, that's just the way it goes. I'm just glad I was able to see the visually stunning Gretel & Hansel in a theater even if most people didn't. Plus A24 releases good horror movies too. They certainly have a better track record than Blumhouse (although even Blumhouse isn't all bad... not like The Asylum or something).
Well yeah, but for every Gretel & Hansel I'm seeing there are probably two or three I'm missing. I'm much more interested in finding those films than some overhyped (but often decent) A24 or Blumhouse release.

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Post by ChrisReynolds » May 8th, 2020, 10:40 am

Onderhond wrote:
May 6th, 2020, 10:48 pm
flavo5000 wrote:
May 6th, 2020, 10:37 pm
Eh, that's just the way it goes. I'm just glad I was able to see the visually stunning Gretel & Hansel in a theater even if most people didn't. Plus A24 releases good horror movies too. They certainly have a better track record than Blumhouse (although even Blumhouse isn't all bad... not like The Asylum or something).
Well yeah, but for every Gretel & Hansel I'm seeing there are probably two or three I'm missing. I'm much more interested in finding those films than some overhyped (but often decent) A24 or Blumhouse release.
Although wasn't Oz Perkins' The Blackcoat's Daughter also an A24 release?


I've also made another batch of lists, if it's not too late to add them:

Logan Noble's Favorite Horror Films of the 1990s (2019) (unranked)
https://logannobleauthor.com/2019/05/08 ... the-1990s/
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls099992735/

Logan Noble's Favorite Horror Films of the 2010s (2019) (unranked)
https://logannobleauthor.com/2019/02/13 ... the-2010s/
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls099992768/

Willoughby-Eastlake Public Library's Dennis Campbell's Top Ten Horror Films (2019) (ranked)
https://we247.org/top-10-horror-films/
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls099992179/

Movie Web's Evan Jacobs' 90s Horror Movies That Don't Get Enough Love (2020) (unranked)
https://movieweb.com/underrated-1990s-horror-movies/
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls099992182/

ScreenRant's Courtney Osteen's 10 Scariest Movies To Never Watch Alone (2019) (ranked)
https://screenrant.com/scariest-movies- ... ne-ranked/
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls099992361/

Tokyo Weekender's The 7 Best Japanese Horror Movies of All Time (2019) (ranked)
https://www.tokyoweekender.com/2019/10/ ... -all-time/
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls099992603/

World of Reel's Jordan Ruimy's The 10 Best Horror Movies of the 2010s (2019) (ranked)
https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2019/9 ... etnjcobr11
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls099992618/

Collegiate's Best scary movies to watch on Halloween (2019) (unranked)
https://www.collegiate-ac.com/student-n ... halloween/
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls099992622/

John Stell's Psychos! Sickos! Sequels!: Horror films of the 1980s (1998) (unranked)
https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/ ... edir_esc=y
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls099992205/

GamesRadar's Louise Blain's The 8 best evil doll horror movies (2019) (ranked)
https://www.gamesradar.com/uk/best-doll ... annabelle/
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls099992296/

Film School Reject's Valerie Ettenhofer's 21 Witchy Movies to Keep You Spellbound (2018) (unranked)
https://filmschoolrejects.com/witchy-mo ... -suspiria/
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls099992459/

Vogue.fr's Manon Garrigues' Les 15 meilleurs films d'horreur de tous les temps [The 15 best horror films of all time] (2019) (unranked)
https://www.vogue.fr/culture/a-voir/dia ... nner/53344
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls099992906/

NumeroCero's Las mejores películas de terror de 2019 [The best horror films of 2019] (2020) (unranked)
https://numerocero.es/mejores-peliculas-terror-2019/
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls099992995/

Considering the Cinema's Jay of the Dead’s Top 10 Horror Movies of 2019 (2019) (ranked)
https://www.consideringthecinema.com/co ... s-of-2019/
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls099992838/

SlashFilm's Rob Hunter's The Best Horror Movies of the [2010s] Decade You've Never Seen (2019) (unranked)
https://www.slashfilm.com/best-horror-m ... ever-seen/
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls099992885/

EW's Clark Collis' The 10 best aquatic horror movies of all-time (2020) (unranked)
https://ew.com/movies/best-aquatic-horror-movies/
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls099994071/

ScreenRant's Paul Le's 10 Scariest Japanese Movies To Never Watch Alone (2019) (ranked)
https://screenrant.com/scariest-japanes-movies/
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls099994026/

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Post by Onderhond » May 8th, 2020, 10:52 am

ChrisReynolds wrote:
May 8th, 2020, 10:40 am
Although wasn't Oz Perkins' The Blackcoat's Daughter also an A24 release?
You're right, but they only handled distribution it seems. Probably from before they coined their nice :whistling:

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Post by mightysparks » May 12th, 2020, 1:30 pm

Added the latest bunch of lists. Still on track to release on Friday. Will look for some more lists over the next couple of days, but mostly gonna focus on making sure everything's ready to go. Looks like I got one more film to get in now though so I don't lose my platinum...
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Post by kingink » May 13th, 2020, 1:32 pm

Excited!!! I hope I will lose my platinum and get many more unseen horror to discover. It was a great ride finishing this list!

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Post by Harco » May 13th, 2020, 4:34 pm

Looking forward to the new list!

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Post by mightysparks » May 15th, 2020, 12:39 am

Have finalized the list for this year and am currently making a list on IMDb of the full list (now at 7897 films). Update should come a little after that's done, hopefully by the end of the day (my time).

201 new entries.
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Post by Onderhond » May 15th, 2020, 8:06 am

mightysparks wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 12:39 am
Have finalized the list for this year and am currently making a list on IMDb of the full list (now at 7897 films). Update should come a little after that's done, hopefully by the end of the day (my time).

201 new entries.
Looking forward to this! 5 more films and I would've gotten bronze on my own, let's see what the update brings!

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Post by mightysparks » May 15th, 2020, 11:08 am

So I stuffed up somewhere and there's actually 126 new entries.

Anyway, the 2020 update is ready! See here: http://theyshootzombies.com/ghf1000/

IMDb list: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls098539126/
Full list: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls098516211/
Google sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... V2926AIPI/

Drop offs
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296. The Ghoul (1933)
304. Der Student von Prag (1913)
382. The Ghost of Frankenstein (1942)
389. Phantom of the Opera (1943)
425. The Return of the Vampire (1943)
432. Horrors of the Black Museum (1959)
434. The Sender (1982)
446. The Mummy’s Hand (1940)
461. I Married a Monster from Outer Space (1958)
462. The Curse of the Mummy’s Tomb (1964)
465. Notre-Dame de Paris (1956)
466. The Mummy’s Curse (1944)
467. Murders in the Zoo (1933)
468. The Vampire Bat (1933)
469. The Mummy’s Ghost (1944)
474. The Wizard of Oz (1939)
541. Dementia 13 (1963)
568. Macabre (1958)
598. Lust for a Vampire (1971)
602. Tower of London (1962)
607. Die, Monster, Die! (1965)
610. The Phantom of the Opera (1962)
612. The Oblong Box (1969)
613. Maniac (1934)
614. House of Horrors (1946)
618. I Was a Teenage Frankenstein (1957)
620. King of the Zombies (1941)
621. Weird Woman (1944)
622. Dr. Cyclops (1940)
623. Before I Hang (1940)
625. The Evil of Frankenstein (1964)
626. The Mummy’s Tomb (1942)
629. The Dark Eyes of London (1939)
631. The Invisible Man Returns (1940)
634. Man Made Monster (1941)
639. The Omega Man (1971)
644. The Maze (1953)
653. The Satanic Rites of Dracula (1973)
663. Night of the Lepus (1972)
671. Warlock (1989)
680. The Return of Count Yorga (1971)
702. Shallow Grave (1994)
705. Village of the Damned (1995)
706. Anaconda (1997)
712. Darkman (1990)
714. Island of Terror (1966)
715. Gorgo (1961)
716. Panic in Year Zero (1962)
719. Attack of the Killer Tomatoes! (1978)
720. Billy the Kid Versus Dracula (1966)
721. Night Monster (1942)
723. The Terror (1963)
729. La llorona (1933)
735. Hell Night (1981)
739. C.H.U.D. (1984)
740. Vredens dag (1943)
755. Nightmares (1983)
760. Svengali (1931)
775. Hexen bis aufs Blut gequält (1970)
780. The Lawnmower Man (1992)
782. Brain Dead (1990)
786. Audrey Rose (1977)
795. Witchboard (1986)
796. Brainscan (1994)
801. Color Me Blood Red (1965)
803. Gothic (1986)
807. The Creature Walks Among Us (1956)
811. Voodoo Man (1944)
812. Grizzly (1976)
816. The Omen (2006)
824. A Nightmare on Elm Street (2010)
830. Dracula: Dead and Loving It (1995)
832. The Witches of Eastwick (1987)
833. The Mad Magician (1954)
841. The Green Slime (1968)
843. Crash (1996)
844. Naked Lunch (1991)
846. Raising Cain (1992)
848. Copycat (1995)
849. The Mask (1961)
854. Nadja (1994)
863. Nachts, wenn Dracula erwacht (1970)
866. Diary of a Madman (1963)
872. The Resurrected (1991)
875. The Mummy (1999)
877. Child’s Play 3 (1991)
879. It Came from Beneath the Sea (1955)
880. La bête (1975)
883. Galaxy of Terror (1981)
884. The Manitou (1978)
885. The Legend of Boggy Creek (1972)
890. Deadly Blessing (1981)
892. Prophecy (1979)
893. Blood Freak (1972)
895. 976-EVIL (1988)
896. Mary Reilly (1996)
899. The Killer Shrews (1959)
900. Cape Fear (1962)
901. Circus of Horrors (1960)
902. The Two Faces of Dr. Jekyll (1960)
903. Strangler of the Swamp (1946)
904. Cry of the Banshee (1970)
905. X the Unknown (1956)
906. El barón del terror (1962)
907. The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951)
909. The Return of Dracula (1958)
910. Vertigo (1958)
911. The Monster (1925)
912. Maniac Cop 2 (1990)
915. Il boia scarlatto (1965)
917. La campana del infierno (1973)
920. House of the Long Shadows (1983)
921. Deadly Friend (1986)
922. I Saw What You Did (1965)
923. Hungry Wives (1972)
924. Blood from the Mummy’s Tomb (1971)
925. Earth vs. the Flying Saucers (1956)
946. The Devil’s Rain (1975)
948. Haunted (1995)
952. The Hand That Rocks the Cradle (1992)
979. Images (1972)
982. The Tell-Tale Heart (1953)
986. The Nanny (1965)
989. Shocker (1989)
994. Body Bags (1993)
996. Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1992)
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593. Midsommar (2019)
629. The Deadly Spawn (1983)
646. The Car (1977)
660. Dèmoni 2 (1986)
675. The Skeleton Key (2005)
697. Fritt vilt (2006)
721. Daybreakers (2009)
724. The Collector (1965)
742. Us (2019)
748. Nekromantik (1987)
752. Grave Encounters (2011)
754. Clownhouse (1989)
759. Chopping Mall (1986)
765. Creep (2014)
784. Just Before Dawn (1981)
787. Ghostwatch (1992)
793. Una lucertola con la pelle di donna (1971)
796. Misterios de ultratumba (1959)
804. The Burrowers (2008)
811. Taxidermia (2006)
814. La horde (2009)
818. Eight Legged Freaks (2002)
819. The Neon Demon (2016)
820. The Human Centipede II (Full Sequence) (2011)
822. Haze (2005)
826. Marebito (2004)
828. Tras el cristal (1987)
831. Paranormal Activity 2 (2010)
838. Aftermath (1994)
839. Mama (2013)
840. When a Stranger Calls Back (1993)
841. Red White & Blue (2010)
843. Black Death (2010)
844. The Watcher in the Woods (1980)
845. Zibahkhana (2007)
848. Tôkyô zankoku keisatsu (2008)
850. The Ugly (1997)
851. Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers (1988)
855. Saam gaang yi (2004)
857. Lik Wong (1991)
871. Body Melt (1993)
874. Paranormal Activity 3 (2011)
876. Cosa avete fatto a Solange? (1972)
877. Rock ‘n’ Roll Nightmare (1987)
880. Mr. Sardonicus (1961)
884. Threads (1984)
886. Blade II (2002)
888. Joy Ride (2001)
889. Delicatessen (1991)
890. Mumsy, Nanny, Sonny & Girly (1970)
891. 10 Cloverfield Lane (2016)
893. Grace (2009)
894. P2 (2007)
895. Mientras duermes (2011)
897. Under the Shadow (2016)
898. Starry Eyes (2014)
900. Tutti i colori del buio (1972)
901. La corta notte delle bambole di vetro (1971)
902. 4 mosche di velluto grigio (1971)
904. Noroi (2005)
905. Ringu 2 (1999)
906. Macabre (2009)
907. Kim Bok-nam salinsageonui jeonmal (2010)
910. Wai dor lei ah yut ho (2010)
911. Gothika (2003)
913. Satan’s Little Helper (2004)
916. Dread (2009)
917. Rinne (2005)
919. Requiem for a Dream (2000)
920. Scream 4 (2011)
921. Splice (2009)
923. The Signalman (1976)
925. Madman (1982)
926. Un gatto nel cervello (1990)
927. Sílení (2005)
928. Final Destination 3 (2006)
931. La main du diable (1943)
934. Mulberry Street (2006)
935. The Abominable Snowman (1957)
937. Sakebi (2006)
938. La terza madre (2007)
939. Nightmare (1981)
941. Il profumo della signora in nero (1974)
942. Vampires (1998)
943. Wild Zero (1999)
944. Halloween (2018)
945. House of Mortal Sin (1976)
946. The Girl Next Door (2007)
947. Trick or Treat (1986)
948. The Gore Gore Girls (1972)
949. The Toolbox Murders (1978)
950. The Incredible Melting Man (1977)
952. Ganja & Hess (1973)
954. The Last House on Dead End Street (1977)
959. Vacancy (2007)
960. Incubo sulla città contaminata (1980)
962. Jeepers Creepers II (2003)
963. Matka Joanna od aniolów (1961)
964. The Village (2004)
965. Xtro (1983)
966. Frozen (2010)
968. Sole Survivor (1983)
969. Wake in Fright (1971)
970. Valentine (2001)
971. Môjû (1969)
972. The Final Girls (2015)
975. Die Säge des Todes (1981)
976. Stoker (2013)
977. The Children (1980)
978. Would You Rather (2012)
982. El espanto surge de la tumba (1973)
983. Ghost Ship (2002)
984. Don’t Be Afraid of the Dark (1973)
985. Dracula: Pages from a Virgin’s Diary (2002)
986. Jennifer’s Body (2009)
988. Los cronocrímenes (2007)
989. Detention (2011)
990. Dementia (1955)
991. Il tuo vizio è una stanza chiusa e solo io ne ho la chiave (1972)
992. Rare Exports (2010)
993. Il gatto a nove code (1971)
995. We Are Still Here (2015)
996. Stigmata (1999)
997. Elvira: Mistress of the Dark (1988)
998. Turistas (2006)
1000. Sette note in nero (1977)
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Post by cinephage » May 15th, 2020, 11:13 am

Early horror movies take a serious step back...
Are these new lists really well balanced ? I see cheap horror from the 40s an 50s give way to cheap horror from the last 3 decades...

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Post by Onderhond » May 15th, 2020, 11:16 am

cinephage wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 11:13 am
Early horror movies take a serious step back...
Are these new lists really well balanced ? I see cheap horror from the 40s an 50s give way to cheap horror from the last 3 decades...
Maybe we can alternate it a little. I'm much more interested in "cheap" horror from the last 3 decades.
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Post by cinephage » May 15th, 2020, 11:18 am

Onderhond wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 11:16 am
cinephage wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 11:13 am
Early horror movies take a serious step back...
Are these new lists really well balanced ? I see cheap horror from the 40s an 50s give way to cheap horror from the last 3 decades...
Maybe we can alternate it a little. I'm much more interested in "cheap" horror from the last 3 decades.
I will probably gain in ranking thanks to that, but I'm interested in going out of my natural trend to explore classic horror films, and this list helps me do that. I don't need a list to watch horror from 2015 or even 1999, I watch it regularly, whether official or not.
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Post by mightysparks » May 15th, 2020, 11:18 am

There was a problem with some of the lists that those films were on, so yea it's actually a correction of a previous error.
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Post by Onderhond » May 15th, 2020, 11:20 am

Had a very quick look, but glad to see some Asian films join the list. Dream Home, Tokyo Zombie Police, Marebito, Haze ... these are very welcome additions. Good riddens to those 40s Mummy films.
cinephage wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 11:18 am
I will probably gain in ranking thanks to that, but I'm interested in going out of my natural trend to explore classic horror films, and this list helps me do that. I don't need a list to watch horror from 2015 of even 1999, I watch it regularly, whether official or not.
Since it was basically 75% of the Hammer catalogue, just look at that? :)
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Post by sol » May 15th, 2020, 11:20 am

mightysparks wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 11:08 am
Additions
913. Satan’s Little Helper (2004)
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920. Scream 4 (2011)
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989. Detention (2011)
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I don't care what fell off. We've just massively managed to increase the credibility of the list with these additions. :banana:
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Post by OldAle1 » May 15th, 2020, 11:26 am

Count me as one who is less happy with this update than last year's, and sorry to see a lot of those cheap old b-horrors from the past go; looks like I'll be losing about 50 checks. But at least the newer stuff is more interesting than the endless 80s sequels and remakes that seemed to populate the list 2 years and more ago - looks like a more interesting line-up of new-ish stuff than in some previous years. And I have to be happy to see my favorite unofficial horror, Xtro, at last gain status. That alone is enough to make it worthwhile.

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Post by mightysparks » May 15th, 2020, 11:27 am

Also for some reason the full list on IMDb says 3 films are missing, but when I go to edit it says they're all there so idk what's up with that.
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Post by cinephage » May 15th, 2020, 11:30 am

I can't help but to disagree with Sol.
I feel a solid list of horror film has to count the student of Prague (1913) and murders in the zoo (1933) or King of the Zombies (1941). These are milestones of the genre's history. However fond of Marebito or Scream 4 I can be, they are not.

In any case, the building of that list is a great job and it promises to have interesting inclusions...

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Post by OldAle1 » May 15th, 2020, 11:37 am

Yeah the 1913 Student of Prague in particular is a really big loss. I can't say anything about the Scream movies, but... well, I should watch them all this year and then have a better argument.

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Post by Onderhond » May 15th, 2020, 11:41 am

cinephage wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 11:30 am
I feel a solid list of horror film has to count the student of Prague (1913) and murders in the zoo (1933) or King of the Zombies (1941). These are milestones of the genre's history. However fond of Marebito or Scream 4 I can be, they are not.
Tokyo Gore Police is! Dream Home could be too.

I'm also glad to see films like Vertigo (?), Raising Cain, Crash and Shallow Grave go. With "only" 1000 spots, titles like that really don't deserve their place is this list.
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Post by weirdboy » May 15th, 2020, 11:43 am

919. Requiem for a Dream (2000)
946. The Girl Next Door (2007)
Seriously? These are horror films now?

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Post by ChrisReynolds » May 15th, 2020, 12:01 pm

weirdboy wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 11:43 am
919. Requiem for a Dream (2000)
946. The Girl Next Door (2007)
Seriously? These are horror films now?
Why isn't The Girl Next Door a horror movie? It's tagged as horror, based on a book by a famous horror writer, and is a clear example of the Torture Porn genre of the late 2000s.

Requiem for a Dream is borderline. People don't always consider it a horror film, but when they do they place it high up their lists, accounting for its placing. It tends to appear on lists of "Most Disturbing" "Scariest" and "Shocking" films.

This year I added a function to the program that also requires the film to be on a minimum number of ranked lists (I believe it's currently set at three) to be included. A lot of the older films that have disappeared from the list were included for being on a large number of unranked lists, but that also makes them hard to accurately place in relation to the others. I have already found another ranked list with Der Student Von Prag (1913) on it, so that may be back next year. More ranked lists for the 1950s, 1940s, and silent films would be very welcome.


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Post by OldAle1 » May 15th, 2020, 12:13 pm

One thing I really don't understand is this attitude that ranked lists are more valuable than unranked lists. I get that I'm in the minority on this, and I rank my own lists to a certain point, but I'm only doing this for my own pleasure. A lot of academics, critics, film scholars don't rank lists and I think it has a lot to do with them feeling like it's impossible to assess importance and value to the area being studied. Very few people will probably argue that Der Student von Prag is a better film or a more important film within the genre than Das Cabinet des Dr. Caligari - but it's importance as a precursor to that film and German expressionism in general is hard to overstate; also given the numerous missing or incomplete films from the era, or films that exist in all kinds of different quality states, ranking is of even less value I think for the person more concerned with the path of development of the genre rather than "what's best". I just don't see this need to have things ranked as having much merit frankly, and if you look at most lists by respected critics and filmmakers - both the few unofficial ones and other well-know ones like Edgar Wright's - almost none of them are ranked. I guess the obsession with ranking, even out to 1000 or more places, is a product of the internet and this era, and I guess that has a lot to do with why it's the de facto way most people here think about lists, but I just don't think it's all it's cracked up to be, particularly when you're talking about historical importance and impact of films rather than some one individual's, or even a group's preferences.

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Post by WalterNeff » May 15th, 2020, 12:32 pm

Regarding ranked lists - you know what they call the person who finished at the exact bottom of his class in medical school?
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Post by dirty_score » May 15th, 2020, 1:10 pm

mightysparks wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 11:08 am


Additions

839. Mama (2013)

895. Mientras duermes (2011)

897. Under the Shadow (2016)

972. The Final Girls (2015)
Great additions! "The final Girls" is a real gem. Only "Los Ojos de Julia" is missing but that's okay. I really like this new update! :)

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Post by flavo5000 » May 15th, 2020, 1:19 pm

Looks like there are seven that popped in I haven't watched yet unless I missed something. So that'll give me something else to look into in addition to the ones on the BFI Euro Horror list I haven't gotten to yet.

Overall I'm pretty happy with the update. Ghostwatch is back as it should be and, no offence to people who dig 3rd sequels of Universal horror and lower tier Hammer, but I'm pretty glad to see a bunch of mediocre films that happen to be older drop off. And yes, we did get more mediocre ones added (hello again Ghost Ship and Gothika) but we also got a LOT more international releases than on the previous list which I think makes it overall a stronger and more broadly representative list. I see multiple new J-horror, giallo and even more specific regional flicks like Hell's ground from Pakistan and Under the Shadow from Iran. Plus the older films that were added like La Main Du Diable (1943) and Matka Joanna od aniolów (1961) I feel are better than the large majority that were dropped.

Great job mighty and ChrisReynolds on the new update!

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Post by flavo5000 » May 15th, 2020, 1:20 pm

dirty_score wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 1:10 pm
mightysparks wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 11:08 am


Additions

839. Mama (2013)

895. Mientras duermes (2011)

897. Under the Shadow (2016)

972. The Final Girls (2015)
Great additions! "The final Girls" is a real gem. Only "Los Ojos de Julia" is missing but that's okay. I really like this new update! :)
100% agree on The Final Girls. I really enjoyed that one and thought it was one of the better horror comedies I've seen in recent years.

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Post by ChrisReynolds » May 15th, 2020, 2:38 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 12:13 pm
One thing I really don't understand is this attitude that ranked lists are more valuable than unranked lists. I get that I'm in the minority on this, and I rank my own lists to a certain point, but I'm only doing this for my own pleasure. A lot of academics, critics, film scholars don't rank lists and I think it has a lot to do with them feeling like it's impossible to assess importance and value to the area being studied. Very few people will probably argue that Der Student von Prag is a better film or a more important film within the genre than Das Cabinet des Dr. Caligari - but it's importance as a precursor to that film and German expressionism in general is hard to overstate; also given the numerous missing or incomplete films from the era, or films that exist in all kinds of different quality states, ranking is of even less value I think for the person more concerned with the path of development of the genre rather than "what's best". I just don't see this need to have things ranked as having much merit frankly, and if you look at most lists by respected critics and filmmakers - both the few unofficial ones and other well-know ones like Edgar Wright's - almost none of them are ranked. I guess the obsession with ranking, even out to 1000 or more places, is a product of the internet and this era, and I guess that has a lot to do with why it's the de facto way most people here think about lists, but I just don't think it's all it's cracked up to be, particularly when you're talking about historical importance and impact of films rather than some one individual's, or even a group's preferences.
Your points are valid, but 1. we are producing a ranked list, so ranking is intrinsically more helpful to ranking than an unranked list, and 2. if all these lists were coming from film historians or people inclined to watch Der Student von Prag (1913), that would be one thing, but actually most people (even people who think of themselves as horror experts) rarely watch pre-1960 horror, or even pre-1980 horror. There has to be some way of saying that even though Silent Night, Deadly Night 2 (1987) or Resident Evil: Apocalypse (2004) (to pick two random examples) appear on more lists than Der Student von Prag (1913), that Der Student von Prag (1913) is somehow "better" and "more important to the genre".

Partially this can be done through weighting of lists, but the key to the algorithm is to draw relationships through the ordering of movies. Even though nobody has put Resident Evil: Apocalypse (2004) and Der Student von Prag (1913) on the same list, even if we can say that Movie X is better than Resident Evil: Apocalypse (2004) and Der Student von Prag (1913) is better than X, then that helps place it on the aggregated list. Unfortunately, as of the list compilation, the only ranked list that Der Student von Prag (1913) appeared on was #562 on "Freaky Fuckin Friday's Top 666 Horror Movies". Saying that a film should have been included on 3 ranked lists to be included shouldn't be a huge barrier and prevents dodgy films that sneak onto long unranked lists from being highly ranked.

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Post by OldAle1 » May 15th, 2020, 2:58 pm

Thanks for the more detailed explication Chris, pretty much makes sense. I guess then the question really is, why isn't Student on more lists? Who knows. I suspect that as you say, not that many of today's horror fans watch older stuff, and so it's less likely to get on a horror-specific list. Well in any case, that's a film I watched specifically because it was on the list (I think - or maybe someone mentioned it here or something), and it's definitely helped generate more interest in silent horror for me, though I haven't necessarily followed up with a lot of viewing. But that's to my mind what this list and most lists here are for, at least for those of us who aren't professionals - to show us some new avenues. And while I'm disappointed in that film and a lot of other older stuff dropping off, at least the newer stuff coming on for the most part looks more interesting than some of the detritus of the lists of 2-4 years ago.

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Post by weirdboy » May 15th, 2020, 3:20 pm

funkybusiness wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 12:03 pm
The Girl Next Door is not The Girl Next Door.
Ah I see, thanks. I thought I was losing my mind.

I still don't understand Requiem being on there, though. If anything, Pi was more of a horror film than Requiem.

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Post by 1SO » May 15th, 2020, 6:50 pm

cinephage wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 11:13 am
Early horror movies take a serious step back...
Are these new lists really well balanced ? I see cheap horror from the 40s an 50s give way to cheap horror from the last 3 decades...
An observation from someone who was Platinum once and plans to be again, early horror movies are to the genre what Lumière shorts are to general cinema lists. They were important stepping stones and there are a handful of gems, like The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (1920) or Freaks (1932), but Horror films were rarely taken seriously before 1960 and there are as many Horror filmmakers from this century who treat it like an art and not a way to make money as in all the decades before. Looking at TSZDT Top 50 Horror directors, it's no surprise that well over half of the list is still alive.

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Post by joachimt » May 15th, 2020, 7:52 pm

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Post by Onderhond » May 15th, 2020, 8:58 pm

Went from 495 to 537 checks. That's quite a jump.

Highest unchecked: The Haunting (#26) --> The Haunting (#26)
Number of favorites: 70/495 (14%) --> 78/537 (15%)
Highest favorite: The Shining (#2) --> The Shining (#2)
Number of dislikes: 94/495 (19%) --> 93/537 (17%)
Highest dislike: Psycho (#3) --> Psycho (#3)
Unique officials: 469/1000 (47%) --> 405/1000 (41%)

Number of favorites are up, number or dislikes down. I'm surprised we're losing quite a few unique official entries though.

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